Author Topic: Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over (Read 91889 times)

W · « **Reply #840 on:** August 29, 2012, 01:55:38 AM »

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If Kogasa makes another attack on someone that isn't something one can legitimately defend, you should lynch her.

is there something intristically wrong with it? :c

IMO they're the best kinds of points because it means you got a point that's solid.

The point of Mafia isn't to be nice and make cases that can be refuted, it's to have convincing reasons that someone else is scum. (other stuff too, but)

W · « **Reply #841 on:** August 29, 2012, 01:56:21 AM »

Granted I never seem to actually convince people but I keep trying to get better at that >_>

W · « **Reply #842 on:** August 29, 2012, 02:00:13 AM »

(If it helps I totally agree with you about lynching Yuyuko/Toziko still) (also woo triple post ;_;)

OOO · « **Reply #843 on:** August 29, 2012, 05:23:13 AM »

eh, looked at some seiga/nue interactions and they didnt really tell me anything new. there's a bit of a soft defense on d1 by seiga while comparing nue and youmu, and then there's this:

Quote from: Kaku Seiga on August 17, 2012, 03:55:56 PM

Knowing that Nue spent the majority of the day voting someone she didn't think is scum is something I need to reread and look into. I'll have it in a few hours.

which seiga never followed up on d1.
day two with seiga voting tojiko over nue when the case on the latter looks clearer and stronger than the case on the former isnt too bad because seiga followed up on the tojiko case with a huge wall, but then if seiga felt strongly enough about tojiko to vote her over nue, why was she directing other people to vote nue (as part of a false marisa/nue dichotomy) instead of tojiko? combined with the later switch to nue and the instant acceptance of the claim it looks like seiga was trying to get credit for a case on nue while setting up a deadline lynch on someone else if nue's claim let her live another day.

yeah, overall i think the most damning thing is the day 3 flipflop on nue. ive looked over at that again and again in context and it still makes no sense with how hard seiga was pushing nue for her to just blindly accept the claim (read your defense regarding the cop claim not likely to come from mafia and i dont believe you seriously think cop is "weak" while stuff like tracker is stronger). add to that the way she's approached today - minimum active scumhunting effort, refusal to elaborate on reasons for other people being the scum when she's painting herself as a martyr, abrasively insulting people...yeah. im pretty comfortable with this lynch. the ironic thing about your vote on yuyuko is that while you're calling her useless she's put forward more today in the way of active scumhunting than you have without all the corresponding chaff.

kogasa putting out a vote on seiga with such confidence (enough to say that we should just lynch the goddamn scum and end the day already) after barely mentioning seiga before is

but w/e.

W · « **Reply #844 on:** August 29, 2012, 06:05:46 AM »

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(enough to say that we should just lynch the goddamn scum and end the day already)

literally everyone wants to lynch seiga and there's been extremely little posting in the past 24ish hours

so

might as well just get on with it, you know? :V

Ryuki · « **Reply #845 on:** August 29, 2012, 06:21:41 AM »

OK, it seems like everyone is happy with a Seiga lynch, so there's no reason not to put her at L-1 now, to be honest.

##Vote Seiga

Hopefully the reads we've been getting are right. I still think the whole Nue fiasco, and her track record this game, is pretty damning.

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #846 on:** August 29, 2012, 08:43:26 AM »

##Unvote
##Vote Seiga

If Seiga does indeed flip scum, take a good long look at Kogasa.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #847 on:** August 29, 2012, 08:54:04 AM »

Kaku Seiga (4): Soga no Toziko, Tatara Kogasa, Hakurei Reimu, Saigyouji Yuyuko (L-0!)
Saigyouji Yuyuko (1): Kaku Seiga
Not Voting: Kirisame Marisa, Mononobe no Futo

Seiga Kaku, Vanilla Townie, has been evicted!

You have until some time, some date, probably some other thread to send in your night actions.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #848 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:07:40 AM »

Kirisame Marisa, Vanilla Townie, lost her playable status last night.

72.5 hours. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Town is in LYLO!

W · « **Reply #849 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:08:20 AM »

Okay so

the upside is this means Yuyuko is still totally scum!

Also throughout d3/4 she was doing weak and easy pushes on Seiga the whole time which is sort of incriminating too now, considering how she basically ignored paying attention to anyone else (in scumhunting terms) except me I guess, but even then, past her one totally weird ass case on me (that was basically an OMGUS that ignored half of what she was OMGUSing in the first place) she completely ignored me too, sitting her vote on me while cheerleading Seiga by just continously poking about the cop thing and not really anything else. (Until Seiga had the questionable looking unvote vote Yuyuko, which Yuyuko also obviously commented on because obvious)

So yeah Yuyuko is still really, really scum.

Since it's lylo so other people matter to, uh, I can't see Reimu as scum, period, ever. And I reaalllly don't think Futo is scum at all either.

W · « **Reply #850 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:13:35 AM »

Oh I almost forgot to vote.

##Vote Yuyuko

Yeah I know it's LyLo, bite me, she's scum. By PoE I'm okay with a Soga lynch too because Reimu is NOT scum and someone would have to make some super miracle reason Futo is scum for me to be persuaded she is either, which means Soga would -have- to be, but I still prefer Yuyuko for obvious reasons like actually having been pushing her the entire game and having a case on why she's scum instead of "nullish read with some eh things and everyone else is town"

OOO · « **Reply #851 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:13:45 AM »

stop right there

massclaim first

yuyuko already claimed vt so i think you should start, kogasa

W · « **Reply #852 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:19:20 AM »

OOO · « **Reply #853 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:20:34 AM »

popcorn it since that's how we're doing this

W · « **Reply #854 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:24:45 AM »

You're right, I guess I was getting a little ahead of myself.

But it's kind of irritating that yuyuko has been obvscum for forever and no one will lynch her with me.

Bofh I know you're complaining in irc about me voting at outset but I think in this case it's justified; there's no way I'm going to vote Futo or Reimu outside of something ridiculously 100% incriminating comes out of massclaim (highly doubtful) and I've been pretty much convinced Yuyuko is scum for about the entire game. Okay I guess not until like mid d2, but she was still a scum read before then. The players who could realistically be doing this haven't played in forever and would STILL probably not be anywhere near this bad if they were. Yuyuko is ridiculously obvious scum like Kaori and NHK-Rawr before her.

cut:Futo I don't remember you claiming. Since you're actually here, you can go ahead next.

W · « **Reply #855 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:25:22 AM »

Actually I guess Soga should go next for the sake of the point of popcorn, it's just that Futo first would speed up the process ._.

OOO · « **Reply #856 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:28:25 AM »

yeah, i don't think it matters that much. tojiko can claim next.

vt
(but huhwhat tells me im the best character in the game so im a superior class of vt obv etc)

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #857 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:42:53 AM »

Fuck. Will not vote Soga, will in all likelihood not vote Reimu. I'll actually have to do a re-read here I guess, but so far I'm inclined to think my Kogasa read was spot-on.

W · « **Reply #858 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:45:50 AM »

Actually maybe I was overreacting about my town read on Futo.

But I don't care because there is no way I would stop going full speed ahead on Yuyuko, ever. :I

W · « **Reply #859 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:49:33 AM »

I guess since it's lylo I should actually reread futo, but it's 3:50am, so I'll do it after I wake up. (Or I'll wake up and go "lol what was I thinking, that was just the sleep deprivation talking", or do the same after said reread, whatever, bedtime)

W · « **Reply #860 on:** August 30, 2012, 08:08:29 AM »

also futo I know massclaim and stuff but it'd be cool to have gotten opinions out of you when you were actually around since it's not particularly often (or if you still are, then)

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #861 on:** August 30, 2012, 08:11:06 AM »

Quote from: Tatara Kogasa on August 30, 2012, 07:45:50 AM

Actually maybe I was overreacting about my town read on Futo.

But I don't care because there is no way I would stop going full speed ahead on Yuyuko, ever. :I

Quoting this for later reference.

Ryuki · « **Reply #862 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:00:44 AM »

Do we seriously have four Vanilla Townies left?

Because I'm one of them. If I was a power role I would have used it on Yuyuko already to find out if she was scum or nightkill her or something.

I can't help but realise that the ones of us left are:

A bumbling Idiot [Me]
A lurker everyone thought was scum [Yuyuko]
Another person who's not done that much [Futo]
The other FoS from yesterday that's not Yuyuko [Kogasa]
Soga, who some people think is scummy, but I thought was giving off town vibes.

I've been thinking this since D3... the mafia has been eliminating the people who seem the most helpful to the town. I mean, look at it:

N1: Kyouko, who was obviously random
N2: Sanae, who was a Protection role so may have died in place of the real target...
N3: Miko; who was giving detailed, useful posts
N4: Yoshika was next to fall, and she was a PR, so a mafia rolecop may be responsible. Despite her way of talking, she did talk sense sometimes.
N5: Marisa, certainly one of the two remaining people who are most sane

Which begs the question: Out of the six of us left N5, I'd have certainly rated Soga above Marisa in terms of use. And especially over the other four of us.

Just something to chew on.

Note this dosen't mean Soga is scum. For all we know the rolecop, if it exists, found her as something like a Bulletproof or even a Bomb role. The mafia might have simply been randomly killing, after all, I don't think Yoshika was *that* useful to town.

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Also, seriously Kogasa, this is me saying it, just leaping on Yuyuko is a bad idea now. This is LYLO.

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Also, I find this interesting:

Quote from: Moenonobe no Futo on August 30, 2012, 05:28:25 AM

yeah, i don't think it matters that much. tojiko can claim next.

Forgive me, but why specifically Tojiko? Do you already know my role perhaps?! Because if you do, that VT claim is suddenly BS.

Ryuki · « **Reply #863 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:04:34 AM »

Actually, to the last point above I forgot Kogasa was suggesting Soga claim next as well.

I have no clue why. But two people doing it either means they're both scum so both knew who I was because VT's wouldn't, or they legitimately thought Soga claiming next made sense over me claiming for some reason.

I just find it non-nonsensical to suggest a claim order when massclaiming.

Again, this dosen't mean that they are scum, I just find it... weird, and it could suggest they already knew my role.

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #864 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:48:03 AM »

Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 30, 2012, 09:04:34 AM

I just find it non-nonsensical to suggest a claim order when massclaiming.

That's one of the standard procedures for massclaims, see here. In general, the idea is to have the people with the most suspicion on them claim first because the chance of a counter-claim is higher the earlier you claim if it's anything other than vanilla. Just to cut this line of thought short, because nope, it doesn't imply anything about alignment.

Ryuki · « **Reply #865 on:** August 30, 2012, 10:19:51 AM »

Quote from: Saigyouji Yuyuko on August 30, 2012, 09:48:03 AM

That's one of the standard procedures for massclaims, see here. In general, the idea is to have the people with the most suspicion on them claim first because the chance of a counter-claim is higher the earlier you claim if it's anything other than vanilla. Just to cut this line of thought short, because nope, it doesn't imply anything about alignment.

I was not aware of this.

K, barking up the wrong tree. Nothing new.

Den-O · « **Reply #866 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:22:02 AM »

VT. Not surprising the remaining town are all VT if you look at the dead dudes.

Currently still think it's Kogasa but there's a long day of reading ahead~ KogasaXYuyuko is pretty impossible and I'll be reading interactions to confirm it. Which leaves Reimu and Futo. Fun. KogasaXFuto on a whim.

Reimu, why would I be of more worth than Marisa (or whatever it is you mean)?

Ryuki · « **Reply #867 on:** August 30, 2012, 12:16:45 PM »

You've been active and contributing every day.

Marisa heavily lurked D1, her D2 wasn't fantastic, and she has been suspected several times. She's massivly improved since D1 and D2, but still.

I fail to see how YuyukoxKogasa is impossible. They could be bussing each other, so that if one of them goes we think the other is town, then mislynch a townie and they win.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #868 on:** August 30, 2012, 01:59:17 PM »

>V-V-Votecount!
Saigyouji Yuyuko (1): Tatara Kogasa
Not Voting: Mononobe no Futo, Hakurei Reimu, Saigyouji Yuyuko, Soga no Toziko
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. You have I dunno, a bunch hours left in the day.

It's LYLO! Saigyouji Yuyuko is at L-2!

W · « **Reply #869 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:22:33 PM »

ajgfds

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N1: Kyouko, who was obviously random
N2: Sanae, who was a Protection role so may have died in place of the real target...
N3: Miko; who was giving detailed, useful posts
N4: Yoshika was next to fall, and she was a PR, so a mafia rolecop may be responsible. Despite her way of talking, she did talk sense sometimes.
N5: Marisa, certainly one of the two remaining people who are most sane

??????????????
Sanae was the night one kill, and wasn't the protection role who could die instead of the real target. Kyouko wasn't random because she got the suicidal innocent imsomniac townie role. Yoshika was the ACTUAL protection role, which means mafia rolecop probably wasn't to blame, Yoshika actually probably bodyguarded someone and saved someone less likely to get lynched, which was awesome.

After I realized there wasn't a n5 and you at least had the kill order right and just A.Mixed up Sanae and Yoshika, and B.Interpreted Kyouko as a N0 mafia kill when that wouldn't make sense because she was also innocent insomniac and Suicidal was obviously there to balance it out. And because a n0 kill would have been absurd.

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Also, seriously Kogasa, this is me saying it, just leaping on Yuyuko is a bad idea now. This is LYLO.

Don't care, she's scum. How can she be town? You said yesterday she looked better because she seemed like she was actually scumhunting. That scumhunting was A.An OMGUS for my vote on her that blatantly ignored half the stuff I said and passed it off as me saying she doesn't post much, and the rest was her repeatedly prodding Seiga over the cop thing (and then the obviously suspicious vote on yuyuko), which REALLY isn't much, especially after Seiga flipped town. That is NOT something that makes her look townie. It is ridiculously easy for scum to have done this and it was on a townie, not a scum.

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Forgive me, but why specifically Tojiko? Do you already know my role perhaps?! Because if you do, that VT claim is suddenly BS.

This is paranoid as FUCK. What the fuck. Seriously. This makes no sense. How is it weird that she asked Tojiko to claim before you? Suddenly a VT claim is BS too? There's usually lots of vanilla townies, and we've already had a bunch of prs flip anyway. Soga is also VT (or scum) so ????????.

Blugh, looking stuff over makes me less certain that Soga is scum after all. Suddenly my waffle instincts are coming to get me again ._. But that's okay, because Yuyuko is definitely goddamn scum and why won't anyone ever believe me GDI

(I still don't actually think Reimu is scum but there is no way I could not comment on that absurd post.)

(also if anyone skimmed over this go read the paragraph about yuyuko and answer it too, that's for everyone)