Author Topic: Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over  (Read 42419 times)

W

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #810 on: August 27, 2012, 10:55:15 PM »
That's what made my guess ed1 but if you seriously think that's who it is I have no idea how you think they're playing seriously and making posts like that because they are a COMPLETELY competent player.

Although I'll go reread last game to make sure there wasn't ANOTHER player that applies to, because then your post would make a lot more sense.

For the moment though, this is my chance to go to the grocery store, so afk.

W

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #811 on: August 27, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
Actually there isn't a single player in the previous game who would make posts that ridiculous except maybe the people brand new to playing mafia in this forum, who are definitely not that person so it doesn't matter. Both of them have practically softclaimed by posting names of the other places they've played plus one derpposted.

W

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #812 on: August 27, 2012, 10:57:09 PM »
I feel bad for getting into player identity in an anonymafia game but it's being highly relevant to the matter of whether yuyuko is or isn't scum ;_;

Faiz

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #813 on: August 27, 2012, 10:57:38 PM »
I've dabbled in Yoshika/Soga/Nue stuff but I haven't paid as much attention to them because I've had far more interest in lynches other then them.

You say this but it's kind of hard to believe that you think they're scum when you don't say why you would support any of these other lynches.

Also Toziko scattering references to me throughout her post is somewhat worrying, but hopefully that's just paranoia.  :ohdear:

Den-O

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #814 on: August 27, 2012, 11:07:01 PM »
That's what made my guess ed1 but if you seriously think that's who it is I have no idea how you think they're playing seriously and making posts like that because they are a COMPLETELY competent player.
They're just really really lazy. Like, holy damn very lazy. So much that I seriously would lynch them right now if I didn't think other people were already the scum.
:ohdear:
:ohdear:  Reads too similar I guess.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #815 on: August 28, 2012, 12:02:50 AM »
Reread last game, my guess was the only one who pursued policy lynches there so it must be the same one.

The only game that player was lurky with small-word posts (Welcome to the NHK) he was scum and as town he doesn't do that so I don't know what you're talking about them being really lazy.

We just don't have people who play like that as town. We don't. The only people I could consider that stuff coming from as town either haven't played in a long time or are already someone else in this game.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #816 on: August 28, 2012, 12:07:31 AM »
You say this but it's kind of hard to believe that you think they're scum when you don't say why you would support any of these other lynches.
Quite honestly, I haven't been sure whether or not I thought they were scum. That's why d2 it looked like I was grouping my non-town reads as lynchable, because I had town reads on like over half the players and only one REAL scum read, so... it's pretty much what I was doing.

I've seen a thing or two about Soga I think is off. To a much lesser degree this is true of Seiga. I'm not particularly confident they'll flip scum except that between those three (add yuyuko) there is most likely two scum, because the others are town. It's honestly mostly a kind of PoE by removing the people who aren't scum and taking the "null with a couple things that are kind of hrrrrrrm" about them as scum reads because they're worse then the rest.

NekoNekoRex

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #817 on: August 28, 2012, 03:47:03 AM »
>V-V-Votecount!
Kaku Seiga (2): Kirisame Marisa, Soga no Toziko
Saigyouji Yuyuko (1): Tatara Kogasa
Tatara Kogasa (1): Saigyouji Yuyuko
Soga no Toziko (1): Kaku Seiga,
Not Voting: , Mononobe no Futo, Hakurei Reimu
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. You have 47 hours left in the day.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #818 on: August 28, 2012, 04:05:05 AM »
I'm pretty sure that's not paranoia but scum vibes. You'll get it soon Mariss.

I'm actually not taking it. Yes Yuyuko was a counter wagon to scum. But. So what?
I won't have this going to LYLO. Her comments Arron whatever point can be flash banged before yes, going off to be lazy. Kaki Seiga be damned.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Yuyuko

OOO

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  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #819 on: August 28, 2012, 04:11:39 AM »
checking in; back from v/la
will make a post before i go to sleep

Punch Hopper

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #820 on: August 28, 2012, 04:59:44 AM »
So tell me Seiga, what prompted you to change your mind and vote me now? Soga voting you, making you a quite possible lynch for today, perhaps?

And btw, there was at least one more false cop claim in the last 7 games. Still not buying it.

OOO

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  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #821 on: August 28, 2012, 06:38:30 AM »
meh, have travel sickness so this post will be fairly short

seiga, i don't understand your thought process today so far. your tojiko vote doesnt make a modicum of sense:
In fact why are you clearing Toziko who did pretty much the same thing besides try to tack on a minor point from day 1 to look like she has a slam dunk case when if that's really all she can get on day 3, how good are her cases really if she has to scrounge.  She spent the majority of day 3 prod dodging or not here so it was rather hard for me to follow up a case on someone not here.
would appreciate if you could actually spell out why you voted tojiko here coherently because otherwise it just looks like deflection since you can make a perfectly fine case on someone even if they aren't there to respond to it. would also appreciate it if you responded to tojiko's case instead of just handwaving it.

your yuyuko vote is just as incoherent so i have no idea what you're doing. ???

i want kogasa to talk about what is "off" about seiga and soga instead of just mentioning it offhand because again, it's easy to fake an opinion if you don't mention what it's based on.

leaning towards a seiga vote right now because i cant make any heads or tails of what shes thinking; feels like she's just grasping at ends to find a lynch. will do more rereading tomorrow to see how it fits in with overall play.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #822 on: August 28, 2012, 06:55:32 AM »
Futo:Can answer more indepth tomorrow I guess, heading to bed now; I actually don't recall what I don't like about Seiga, but with Soga, her Seiga wall ed2 seemed completely strange to me and her weird questions for me d3 were a thing because they all seemed insignificant and, more notably, all were pretty much answered by posts by me that came very shortly after the ones they were from. Her other thing D3 was a Yoshika thing and then she flipped town but I guess I can't say much about that because A.Even myself and Miko thought Yoshika looked weird, so.

In the end I really don't have more then a "null with some kind of eh things" read on either of them. Tomorrow I'll try to explain some of the eh things in more detail I guess? They're my scumreads because everyone else not named Yuyuko is a town read. I went into this day thinking I'd much rather vote Soga over Seiga if I had to choose between one of the two, but maybe I should read some of the Seiga cases from today harder? Actually, when I think about it harder, Seiga has said some stuff that feels kind of reaching. Still not more then "Null with eh" bits, but, I'll get to it tomorrow. >_>

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #823 on: August 28, 2012, 07:11:59 AM »
(also yes those were only things I've already talked about thinking were weird about soga a long time ago so it's not much of anything new , but, actually getting in bed now >_> <_< I'm a bad procrastinator)

Ryuki

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #824 on: August 28, 2012, 07:31:01 AM »
Hnngnk; I come back hoping to have more to work with, and there's mainly people talking about identities, although there is a small amount of other stuff, a lot of it is just re-iteration... or meta stuff.

Not my idea of something I can go by. [Indeed, unlike Kogasa, I still have no clue who anyone is EXCEPT MYSELF]

Right now there seems to be four paths open that have at least some reasoning.

Yuyuko: This one really, really doesn't need explaining. Frankly it's beating a dead horse going on about why we should lynch Yuyuko at this point. However, as I said before, what she has posted recently actually looks like she's scumhunting at least a little, such as pressing Seiga on her 'scum don't claim cop'.

Still dosen't make up for her D1 and D2 by the way. Just makes my opinion a LITTLE better.

Seiga: Looked like she was standing up for Nue D2, was massively defensive when I was just asking her 'Why did you believe Nue?' D3, and, as Yuyuko has actually pointed out, Scum apparently do claim cop. Not to mention my personal experience has them claiming cop.

So, D1 you rode a wagon on a townie, D2 you stood up for Nue, who was scum, and D3 your logic for why you listened to Nue was flawed... apparently. Not exactly a pro town track record.

And because I didn't want to go all out on the filler day that means I spent it all defending and "SELF PRESERVATION oh dear it's a scum move!!!1!1!"

I agree with this, however. Self Preservation =/= scum.

Ok Marisa.  I can have doubts as a player being able to read people.  Because these shown up even though I wanted to lynch Youmu I'm scum now?

Just saying, Marisa, you rode the freaking Youmu wagon all day 1. Does this make you scum too? Does this make me scum for getting on it? Don't FoS people for something that can be applied to you even moreso, please. you'll look like when Yuyuko accused someone of lurking.

Kogasa: This is probably the first time I've addressed her from this viewpoint. The whole game, she seems... wishy-washy. Like she's not sure what to do, who to go for, and doesn't seem to get any reads of her own. All she's been doing most of the game is single-mindedly barreling down Yuyuko because she doesn't contribute. She hasn't even really thought much about anyone else, unlike me, who, while they have been pushing for Yuyuko, pushes other points too.

At first I thought she was town, but this floundering has gone on a bit too long now for me to be sure.

Soga: Just saying, I don't see how she's scum at all.

Marisa: Pretty sure she's town.

Futo: Still not seen much of her to be frank. What I have seen gives off town vibes.

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Anyway, for now, I'm not convinced about Seiga's play on D1, D2 or D3, as none of it has resulted in pro-town things. D2 in particular, she defended Nue, and called it a miracle when she wasn't lynched, which if that doesn't classify as relief I don't know [Although she justifies it as something else, with her defense of Nue the rest of D2...]. The sudden jump to Yuyuko over her initial FoS when she starts to be targeted looks like a counterwagon attempt.

##Vote Seiga

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #825 on: August 28, 2012, 07:31:56 AM »
Scratch 4 paths above. Make it three since thinking over Soga again made me think she's leading towards town a bit. Mainly because nothing screams 'scum' about her to me.

Faiz

  • Faiz
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #826 on: August 28, 2012, 10:25:38 AM »
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu
Just saying, Marisa, you rode the freaking Youmu wagon all day 1. Does this make you scum too? Does this make me scum for getting on it? Don't FoS people for something that can be applied to you even moreso, please. you'll look like when Yuyuko accused someone of lurking.
I did not say Seiga was suspicious for being on the Youmu wagon, so don't make it sound like I did.

Are you sure you want to put her at L-1 so early?

Ryuki

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #827 on: August 28, 2012, 10:53:23 AM »
I did not say Seiga was suspicious for being on the Youmu wagon, so don't make it sound like I did.

Are you sure you want to put her at L-1 so early?

To me it sounded like you did. Or it was part of your reasoning anyway.

Anyway, didn't notice that put Seiga at L-1. Derp.

##Unvote

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #828 on: August 28, 2012, 12:12:12 PM »
Because you're fucking useless Yuyuko, get over yourself.

I'd like to think I'm not handwaving Toziko since my case on her day 2 flaws still stand and the only thing my vote pointed out minor things from day 1 on day 3 just to add snipes and make her case seem more legitimate.  Futo.  When did I ever stop fosing her from day 2?  Seriously?  She lurked out the rest of day 3 yet, I'm the one who's terrible because I spent it not trying.  Cool.

Hey Reimu get this: ur gay  No one is taking my Toziko case seriously and I think you might after I die so why don't I lynch the elephant in the room and then we can move on to scum # 3?

Punch Hopper

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #829 on: August 28, 2012, 01:16:28 PM »
Because you're fucking useless Yuyuko, get over yourself.
And that changed from the start of the day (where you voted Soga) to now exactly where and how?

Btw, this
I'm pretty sure that's not paranoia but scum vibes. You'll get it soon Mariss.
is also pretty interesting in context.

Faiz

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #830 on: August 28, 2012, 01:18:00 PM »
From what I can tell your case is that Toziko had a bad D1, her pushing you on your Reimu stance is bad because you didn't have enough time on D1, and she had a lazy D3.

Ryuki

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #831 on: August 28, 2012, 03:13:34 PM »
And that changed from the start of the day (where you voted Soga) to now exactly where and how?

To be fair Yuyuko it's not something that changed. Ever. That's probably been everyone's opinion of you since... LD1?

Den-O

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #832 on: August 28, 2012, 08:58:36 PM »
To be fair Yuyuko it's not something that changed. Ever. That's probably been everyone's opinion of you since... LD1?
She's more referring to the fact Seiga chose to vote me and then switch to Yuyuko as if something's changed.

Den-O

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Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #833 on: August 28, 2012, 09:00:37 PM »
By that I mean people have shown just about the same willingness to lynch me (that being none) before the day started.

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #834 on: August 28, 2012, 09:44:33 PM »
Doesn't mean you still shouldn't die.

Perish me for trying to get the easier scum lynched over you though.

Faiz

  • Faiz
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #835 on: August 28, 2012, 11:42:07 PM »
Seiga's attitude today is not what I expect from a townie trying to get scum lynched. She shows no effort to put together an updated case on her target despite repeated pokings by myself/Futo (#798, #820, #829), instead opting to tell people to sift through her D2 posts and try to figure out what she still considers valid. Her Yuyuko vote is effectively a NMOM with 48 hours left in the day, since she does not spell out why she's changed her mind from #775.

Overall it looks like she's given up and is probably scum.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #836 on: August 29, 2012, 12:21:20 AM »
Yeah I kind of have to agree, Marisa. After her day start post, she's gone on to become pretty much the clear lynch for the day (There are only two people who support a yuyuko wagon :c) and she hasn't done a thing to try and move it off herself, including jumping on the... admittedly ridiculously easy vote that can't be argued with, probably in hopes people would go for that over her, and I hate that saying this practically equates to me arguing Yuyuko would be town ;_;

Could still be ~*~gambit~*~ and they're both scum though right?! AUGH I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE YUYUKO IS TOWN D:

...despite this, I'm skimming Seiga's posts and I can't remember for the life of me what I actually thought was off about her ._. Other then the "scum don't claim cop and cop is weak" argument which is basically illogical. Maybe the "I'm becoming babby's little mislynch so go read the game people" line.

Actually wait what
Quote
Mamizou is a roleblocker.  She visited Nue.  She's justifying her visit of Nue with a cc that will get the cop lynched.  I can see her being a roleblocker plus a reflexive one like Xix or Barney.  Not unheard of.
lulz

The logic is -bad- because Mamizou would have been instalynched after Nue flipped town if this was the case.

She also called Mamizou's claim "garbage" the moment after Mamizou claimed because ????.

Unfortunately for -me-, she gunned hard for Yuyuko's lynch. Aaaaaa maybe they were just bussing?! Trying to clear Nue off being the scum counterwagon plus power to win lylo via uncontested copclaim that's semi-cleared from being "scum counterwagon"? I'm thinking about this too hard now.

But I agree with a Seiga lynch.

Even if I have to ;_; at the same time.

Also, is there any point to letting the day go on longer, seriously

##Unvote ##Vote Seiga

Pesco says when you find the scum, just goddamn lynch it already, and he's totes right about it. There's next to no talking going on and literally everyone agrees on lynching Seiga. This day is p.much over.

Faiz

  • Faiz
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #837 on: August 29, 2012, 12:23:27 AM »
Only skimmed for now but:

##Unvote

I'd kind of like to hear from Futo again just in case.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #838 on: August 29, 2012, 12:28:01 AM »
'kay :3

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #839 on: August 29, 2012, 01:27:28 AM »
Awesome.  Well I would be fucked to repiece my Toziko case but.  Yeah no, you're not going to listen until I'm dead.  So when I am, priorities:
Lynch Yuyuko
Lynch Toziko

I'm vanilla townie and can claim my name any time in the game without making the thread explode or something.  Either way I'm just there to lynch scum.  I wonder why it's so hard?  Maybe because I'm a clingy stalking bitch?  WE'LL FIND OUT TONIGHT AT 9!

But Ms. Kogasa may actually be scum.  You people.  What is it about reading stuff and coming back with a "point I got you fucker" the day after next?
You could have pointed that logic flaw out day 3 about Mamizou.  I was really just freehanding the end of day 2 and that was the first theory to come to my head, it made some sense and I threw it out there.  Yay me.  If Kogasa makes another attack on someone that isn't something one can legitimately defend, you should lynch her.

It's a shame the only two people I'm willing to write off as clear are the V/LA because I can't really read him so when he's back whatever read him I guess he's town and a bit tunnely Reimu.  I mean she's doing well but I wish I had better reads to instil.  Marisa is actually scaring me with her last few posts because they read as the "final push to a ml get ready and here's some conviction on an easy case to look good" kind of stuff.