Author Topic: Adorable Game of Mafia (Everyone wins!) (Read 100579 times)

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #450 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:32:02 PM »

:matsurismirk: was I the only one who noticed the day started with 48 hours?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #451 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:39:48 PM »

PX less fake sounding freaking out more telling us why people shouldn't vote you.

Raitaki · « **Reply #452 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:41:36 PM »

Quote from: NekoNekoRex on August 06, 2012, 09:32:02 PM

:matsurismirk: was I the only one who noticed the day started with 48 hours?

Neko except for D1 each day is only 48 hours as stated in the OP :hurr:

PX · « **Reply #453 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »

First, claim. Amae Koromo, Chocolate Townie (Vanilla). [Koromo loves you Edible] No link because phone

Serela, his post 152 he keeps his vote on IHNN even though he was getting voted for it, instead of jumping on the emerging Omba wagon that was happening. Okay, he kind of supported it but still tried to push for IHNN scum. That I saw as town motivated as I thought that scum would stop trying to push a case that earned nothing but votes on them.

As for that post that didn't happen, I was too tired for Logical Mafia when I got back <_<

More cuts ahhhhhh

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #454 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:44:42 PM »

Caught up, real post incoming.

MULTI-WINDOW ACTION WHEE

BT · « **Reply #455 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:48:17 PM »

##Vote Affinity

Yes, this is that one day in which I flip my reads at least twice.

PX just feels a lot more solid now and meanwhile there are some points being made. In particular, the stance on the Omba wagon between D1 and D2. Let's just say I feel inspired and stuff, because I honestly lack the time and this is where my gut is heading now.

Bed.

or not bed because PX posts

PX · « **Reply #456 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:51:02 PM »

Oh right, throwing IHNN vote off. He was posting cases and reads and looked less interesting to lynch, and his interactions with Pesco were getting good reads so I wanted more between the two.

Raitaki · « **Reply #457 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:56:45 PM »

Hmmm ok. I'll let PX off for now. ##Unvote
Haven't done proper rereads on IHNN and Affinity yet because of interruptions from DnD and then sleep and then school and then math and whatnot >_> Let me finish all this m~~ess~~ath real quick and I'll consider the Affinity wagon.

Edible · « **Reply #458 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:05:09 PM »

Vote Count: ONE FLIPPER ROLL edition

Affinity (5): Shadoweh, PX, huh what, Omba, BT
PX (2): IHNN, NNR
BT (1): Affinity

Affinity is at L-1!

Not voting: Kilgamayan, Raitaki

You have less than 1 hour remaining. With 10 in play, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #459 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:05:59 PM »

Reading from my phone
Not the optimal method
But it's all I've got

So I still like Affinity's Day 1, though I admit this may be because of how closely it mirrored mine. Still, he had a stated preference for the Serela wagon over the NNR wagon.

PX/Serela Day 1 stuff has been discussed and does indeed look bad. Affinity's observation at the end of his #367 is a particularly noteworthy point against PX.

As for Day 2, I find the thread of PX question "why would Serela self-hammer instead of letting Omba hammer" -> my response question "What town credit would Omba have gained from hammering Serela after Serela goofed" -> PX response(?) question "Would Omba really let Serela do all that stupid stuff if they were buddies" very unimpressive. The second question is faulty on its own because his Affinity vote meant he believed Affinity WOULD let Serela do all that stupid stuff and I don't think there's any reason to believe that's the case. In addition, if the second question was indeed a follow-up to the first, then it's a non-sequitur, and if it isn't, then it means PX jettisoned a bad justification for another bad justification. Either way, it reads strongly as someone that knew Omba was town and was trying to get creit for claiming Omba was town while Omba was under heavy fire.

Affinity's BT vote seems completely out of left field, in that I can't figure out what kind of motivation is behind it. I do not fault him too much for his PX vote, though; Omba was at L-2 already at that point, so I can understand not actually voting Omba then even if he wanted to. That it was a vote apparently entirely founded on PX's most recent post and not D1 stuff is bizarre and makes it look OMGUSy, but there's OMGUS and then there's OMGUS, if that makes any sense.

I don't think either are perfectly clean but I think PX's approach to Serela and Omba are scummier than anything Affinity has done.

##Vote: PX

Shadoweh · « **Reply #460 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:08:07 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on August 06, 2012, 09:56:45 PM

Hmmm ok. I'll let PX off for now. ##Unvote
Haven't done proper rereads on IHNN and Affinity yet because of interruptions from DnD and then sleep and then school and then math and whatnot >_> Let me finish all this m~~ess~~ath real quick and I'll consider the Affinity wagon.

In all seriousness. Why. Why are you letting him off. What are YOUR thoughts on this? You need to actually tell us what you're thinking. Otherwise you are eventually going to get lynched when people realize they can push a case on you just because you're not saying anything.

PX · « **Reply #461 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:10:33 PM »

As for Affinity, his D1 feels just a bit passive, he asks a few alright questions here and there, and takes care to talk about the main wagons, but his total abstinence from all NNR discussion is suspicious. /copypasta

In all seriousness, I did address his D1 earlier. His D2 consists of throwing out town clears to everyone and then going to the two people not at deadline by what seems to be PoE. His case on me, which is worded above, comes after an OMGuS vote on me, which he then discards for a BT case. Even though he's telling people to vote me. Overall, he's not really trying to push scum and shows passive scum hunting.

And Haiku

Koromo loved you
After the setting hellball
My full moon rises

Cuts, phone posting sucks

PX · « **Reply #462 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:15:28 PM »

EBWOP: Koromo loves you

Stupid auto correct

Raitaki · « **Reply #463 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:22:03 PM »

[mathdelay]
@Shadoweh: Because the major quirk I saw in him was the lack of a post for almost a full day further elaborating on his opinions on the bandwagons present at the time in #188 (think that's the number) after dropping his case against IHNN, claiming he had "other things to press" and promising to reread and post later. He claims irl stuff, I can't really counter that and I don't feel that the manner he questioned other players is not incriminating enough by themselves, so I'm dropping my vote against him for now.

Can anyone spare the time to explain to me (or link an explanation to) what benefit whatsoever there is to claim VT? It only serves to help scum narrow down the possible town power roles, and TBH I don't think a VT claim is very good at convincing other players from lynching you. I myself just shrug off VT claims and press on with my vote unless a better case appears against another person or whatever suspicions I had are sufficiently cleared.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #464 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:26:06 PM »

If a VT fakeclaims a power role it risks drawing a counterclaim out of the woodwork, which gives scum info without scum having to trade one of their own for it.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #465 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »

Townies can't counterclaim Vanilla

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #466 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:31:32 PM »

Also fakeclaiming is for teh scums

Lynch All Liars

Edible · « **Reply #467 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:33:46 PM »

20 minutes.

Raitaki · « **Reply #468 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:34:16 PM »

Quote from: Kilgamayan on August 06, 2012, 10:26:06 PM

If a VT fakeclaims a power role it risks drawing a counterclaim out of the woodwork, which gives scum info without scum having to trade one of their own for it.

imo it's still better for VT to not claim at all and try to dissuade their wagon or get someone else lynched first. Even if that fails. Except if said townie is a fairly competent player and is adept at hunting people that actually are scum. But even in that case there is still nothing making their claim credible.

-doubleNekocut-

No my main point is a VT claim is both easy to make and almost impossible to prove, so the way I see it it doesn't really have credibility. Then what is the utility in claiming if you're a VT?

Also you know what, gonna continue this in the other mafia thread.

Raitaki · « **Reply #469 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:35:39 PM »

Aaargh damn got distracted from rereading Affinity D: QUICK SOMEONE POST SOMETHING FAST TO MAKE ME DECIDE WHETHER TO HAMMER HIM (or just hammer him if you feel it's right...)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #470 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:36:15 PM »

You claim as a VT as town to let us know you aren't a power role.
You claim as a VT as scum because you're risking being able to turn the lynch around.

We have 20 minutes, please don't get distracted by semantics when we need to know if you gonna vote Affinity or if we're kicking PX off a cliff.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #471 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:37:17 PM »

lulz cut.

YOUR CHOICES ARE PX OR AFFINITY. VOTE ONE OF THEM. THE POWER IS YOURS.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #472 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:38:36 PM »

Shadoweh plz thoughts on PX's attempts to push Town Omba position today as outlined in my #459?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #473 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:39:43 PM »

Not sure how I feel about PX now. He doesn't give off much o a Townie On The Ropes attitude but his attempt as scumhunting seems sincere enough. Phone posting may inhibit the former.

BT trying to fall asleep on deadline is weird, but not worth more then a remark.

Would be nice to see an Affinity claim but he's disappeared too.

Technically I have the power too since I never came to a decent conclusion on who's scum, Shadoweh

Raitaki · « **Reply #474 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:39:51 PM »

I ALREADY SAID I'M LETTING PX OFF FOR NOW. AND BEsIDES I DOUBT ANY OTHER WAGON CAN REACH HAMMER BEFORE 20 MINS.
You know what, YOU GUYS HAMMER IF YOU WANT I'M NOT GONNA. Unless...

@modquestion: What happens if no hammer is reached by end of Day? And what does Rocks Fall And You Will Die Entail?

[edible]If a majority lynch is not reached by the end of the day, the game ends immediately and everyone loses.

Have a nice day~[/edible]

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #475 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:41:49 PM »

Herk, well then.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #476 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Kilgamayan on August 06, 2012, 10:05:59 PM

As for Day 2, I find the thread of PX question "why would Serela self-hammer instead of letting Omba hammer" -> my response question "What town credit would Omba have gained from hammering Serela after Serela goofed" -> PX response(?) question "Would Omba really let Serela do all that stupid stuff if they were buddies" very unimpressive. The second question is faulty on its own because his Affinity vote meant he believed Affinity WOULD let Serela do all that stupid stuff and I don't think there's any reason to believe that's the case. In addition, if the second question was indeed a follow-up to the first, then it's a non-sequitur, and if it isn't, then it means PX jettisoned a bad justification for another bad justification. Either way, it reads strongly as someone that knew Omba was town and was trying to get creit for claiming Omba was town while Omba was under heavy fire.

I thought the question about why Serela wouldn't let Omba hammer was a good one. Even if we don't think it gives much town cred the hammerer does tend to get a little boost. Affinity is from what I've seen a pretty hands off scumbuddy. He probably would let Serela do all that stupid stuff. Omba would have bee more staring in the QT. I'm also not sure if PX would have so fiercely avoided going after Serela if he thought he was being that terrible.

Raitaki · « **Reply #477 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:42:53 PM »

Gak.

why do i suddenly have the feeling px waited before claiming to force us to nom affinity or die

Edible was that srs D:

Edible · « **Reply #478 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:43:22 PM »

10 minutes~

Quote from: Raitaki on August 06, 2012, 10:42:53 PM

Edible was that srs D:

Yes. Don't bully No Lynch-tan.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #479 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:44:22 PM »

Maybe under normal circumstances, but do you really think the hammerer would be any townier after the lynched scum claimed their fakeclaiming strategy?