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Pesco · « **Reply #300 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:22:10 PM »

Quote from: Omba on August 03, 2012, 10:19:55 PM

Anyway. I think a counter-claim would be worth it if Serela really is not the cop. Unless I'm seeing one, I will not budge on my Neko vote. He still needs desperately needs the rope.

How are you weighing up the worth for a counterclaim if there are already people who don't buy the claim?

Raitaki · « **Reply #301 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:22:25 PM »

...Ouch.

I should stop making myself stand out with all these derps ;_;

Serela · « **Reply #302 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:26:27 PM »

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He didn't think it was important enough to say before he left.

Because I didn't want to claim before I left! I was going to be back with hours left in the day, and hopefully wouldn't -have- to claim. Keep in mind there is no doctor here. The cop getting lynched d1 really, really sucks.

But then again, I'm gonna be nk'd even if I'm not lynched! Now that's just awesome. I don't even think my counterwagon is scum. I'm not motivated because even not getting lynched will barely get me anywhere, I'll still end up dead and the other person up for lynch is IMO town.

Magical girl mafia was almost an entire year ago. I've changed since then.

As for Omba, there's a reason I generally lurk out D1. I can barely get anything out of it until... generally about halfway through d2.

Serela · « **Reply #303 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:27:04 PM »

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Keep in mind there is no doctor here. The cop getting lynched d1 really, really sucks.

the cop claiming d1*

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #304 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:27:32 PM »

Yeah, would still vote Serela. Still no trace of townie-on-the-ropes attitude.

(Or everyone could switch to Omba for suggesting a counterclaim when the claim hasn't done Serela a ton of good.)

Fake Edit: Well Serela taking the same AtE approach that NNR was guilty of makes me feel even better about this decision.

Omba · « **Reply #305 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:28:21 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on August 03, 2012, 10:22:10 PM

How are you weighing up the worth for a counterclaim if there are already people who don't buy the claim?

I'm weighing it up against me buying the claim to a degree and me thinking Neko is scum.

--cut cut cut

Pesco · « **Reply #306 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:29:14 PM »

I can get behind an Omba lynch in light of that.

Serela · « **Reply #307 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:30:50 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on August 03, 2012, 10:29:14 PM

I can get behind an Omba lynch in light of that.

As said before I'm still totes up for Omba lynch. Unlike Neko, I can probably even -make a case- on Omba! Actually that's a really cool idea. Since, unlike Neko, I actually think Omba is SCUM, this is actually sort of uplifting

Okay I'm gonna go make that right now hell yes.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #308 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:31:14 PM »

Omba asking for a counter-claim is only scummy if Serela is his buddy.

I have no name · « **Reply #309 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:32:11 PM »

Then we lynch Serela and when Serela flips scum we lynch Omba D2 by association.
Since we can't do the opposite.

Omba · « **Reply #310 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:32:52 PM »

To make it more clear: I want a counter-claim if Serela is not the cop, because if Serela is the cop I want to lynch Neko.

Yeah Serela, go ahead and make a case.

Pesco · « **Reply #311 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Omba on August 03, 2012, 10:28:21 PM

I'm weighing it up against me buying the claim to a degree and me thinking Neko is scum.

The scum benefit of what you're wanting is more than the town benefit. While the cop this game isn't town's best power, it's not worth throwing away like that.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #312 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:33:22 PM »

That or we just don't line up lynches.

I still want to lynch Rex. I don't think Serela's AtE is on the same level as his since Serela is explaining where his discouraged thought process came from. Rex is just smokescreening via :rage:.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #313 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:34:35 PM »

In theory claiming makes you confirmed town so it would suck much more if you just let yourself die. If you're really a confirmed town cop then why would you not be screaming at people? The worst that happens is a real suspect dies and you take the nightkill.

Everyone always says they've changed. >_> They are usually wrong. People's attitudes don't change that much. I'd be really disapointed if you'd forgotten how to have a will to live as town suddenly.

Also fyi I have already said I have rabbit heads in my hair so I'm probably not a cat. Yeah.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #314 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:36:29 PM »

Quote from: huh what on August 03, 2012, 10:31:14 PM

Omba asking for a counter-claim is only scummy if Serela is his buddy.

Granted.

Not really in a position to switch to Serela right now, though.

Fake Edit: Omba, please understand that, assuming Serela is fakeclaiming and the real rogue cop is floating around out there somewhere, they are not going to throw themselves away to secure a lynch that has a very real chance of happening without a counterclaim.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #315 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:36:52 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:20:01 PM

I'm not even going to ask what all those posts before Serela's claim are about.
Comparison to Magical Girl Serela-Cop says last time Serela was a cop he freaked out and went into panic mode when he was a wagon, about 5 hours before lynch. Currently Serela looks pretty eh about his own lynch and the claim feels like an after-thought. He didn't think it was important enough to say before he left. (Scum buddy deciding if he was salvagable or not?)

Also penguins are card carrying mafiosos. Look at those tux's.

I'd like to point out that if Serela had given up and were trying to out a counterclaim it actually benefits him to claim earlier, because then there's more time in which the real cop could see his claim, panic and decide to out. If he claims after the cop checks out for the day then he fails to out a counterclaim, and a cop claim alone evidently isn't enough to save him from a lynch.

Pesco · « **Reply #316 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:39:14 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:34:35 PM

In theory claiming makes you confirmed town

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:34:35 PM

claiming makes you confirmed town

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:34:35 PM

confirmed town

You're using very ~*~*~MotKTown~*~*~ words with no evidence to back it up.

Omba · « **Reply #317 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:40:46 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on August 03, 2012, 10:33:12 PM

The scum benefit of what you're wanting is more than the town benefit. While the cop this game isn't town's best power, it's not worth throwing away like that.

It is in my view because after the claims I'm more inclined to believe Serela's than Neko's.

Kilga: If push comes to shove, we could lynch Serela D2 if he doesn't get shot. Even I would have qualms about letting the cop live if I was scum with no way of counter-acting him save for hoping he hits the godfather.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #318 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:42:09 PM »

It depends on how likely his buddies thought it was that the NNR wagon would pull ahead though. Before he left they were neck in neck and it looked like Neko was probably going to pull ahead. It would have been more beneficial if he hadn't had to claim at all.

Pesco, this is an Open Setup. There is one Guarenteed Cop. If no one counterclaims you, you are in theory Confirmed Townie Obvtown 5000(TM) We don't usually play open setups, this isn't the same as another game's claim.

Serela · « **Reply #319 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:43:29 PM »

HW:For that matter, I was sort of afraid the same thing would happen that actually did; e.g., suddenly I gain a ton of suspicion for claiming cop. Since it's an open setup and stuff... well, yeah.

As soon as I saw Neko claimed Praline Town as vanilla, I knew it'd be even riskier to fakeclaim vanilla though, plus the mounting desire for me to claim, so I went and did it.

Also yeah I like the line of thought where we don't lynch me because I'm about to get nk'd anyway. Even if I would get turbolynched d2 for living, I'd be confirmed after death, and I'd have cleared someone as prob-town or as scum. The voyeur can even target me to see who nks me! Win/win

Oh wait... the voyeur only sees the power they got targetted by, huh? :T Actually I guess I'm not sure.

Pesco · « **Reply #320 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:44:14 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:42:09 PM

Pesco, this is an Open Setup. There is one Guarenteed Cop. If no one counterclaims you, you are in theory Confirmed Townie Obvtown 5000(TM) We don't usually play open setups, this isn't the same as another game's claim.

You must have missed me and Kilga saying that a counterclaim, if it existed, was not worth revealing.

Omba · « **Reply #321 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:45:16 PM »

Wtf Serela.

I have no name · « **Reply #322 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:46:28 PM »

Claiming with a result is as close as you can get in this game, short of either the Innocent Child or a dead cop having said you were town with the godfather dead.

I would not vote Neko. If people would rather vote Omba over Serela then I guess I would switch to secure a lynch, but right now I think Serela is scummy and needs to die now.

-Omba cut-

Quote from: Omba on August 03, 2012, 10:40:46 PM

It is in my view because after the claims I'm more inclined to believe ~~Serela's [/s my scumbbudy's ]than ~~Neko's~~ the townie's.~~

FTFY

-cuts cuts cuts-

Quote from: Pesco on August 03, 2012, 10:44:14 PM

You must have missed me and Kilga saying that a counterclaim, if it existed, was not worth revealing.

Counterclaiming scum claiming cop means the cop dies N1, without any results. Wouldn't this want to be avoided?

-cut-
Omba: if that's so "wtf" then vote him.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #323 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:47:21 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 03, 2012, 10:42:09 PM

It depends on how likely his buddies thought it was that the NNR wagon would pull ahead though. Before he left they were neck in neck and it looked like Neko was probably going to pull ahead. It would have been more beneficial if he hadn't had to claim at all.

Uh, not really. Serela's voteswitch tied the wagons and a few players on the Rex wagon (me, Omba) had expressed interest in lynching Serela earlier on, while there was not quite as much interest in NNR. Kilga had also mentioned support toward your case. At the time Serela delayed his claim it looked like he was about to get consolidated on.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #324 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:49:05 PM »

I'm not arguing that they should. If I didn't think he was faking I wouldn't still be pushing for his lynch. It doesn't make sense from the point of view of someone who could claim and be ~*~Confirmed Town~*~ that they'd be so worried about people not believing them. I also have no reason to trust that you and Kilga are acting in town's best interests.

Serela when you start sharing your fakeclaiming strategy with the thread it's a good time to just admit you're scum and hammer yourself so you can eat your brains the zombie way for real reals.

Omba · « **Reply #325 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:49:27 PM »

Oh screwdamnit.

Serela, give us reads on who you think is scum. I don't even care about great cases or anything. Just reads. ANYTHING.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #326 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:51:05 PM »

wait

Quote from: Serela on August 03, 2012, 10:43:29 PM

As soon as I saw Neko claimed Praline Town as vanilla, I knew it'd be even riskier to fakeclaim vanilla though, plus the mounting desire for me to claim, so I went and did it.

xfd what

Serela · « **Reply #327 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:52:41 PM »

Okay I couldn't come up with any points on Omba other then the ones me and everyone else suspecting Omba have already said to death.

...well -that- enthusiasm was short-lived.

My :care: is vanishing fast since I'm most likely about to be lynched, and will die n1 even if I'm not.

Omba:Okay, well, I can do that, it's simple and quick enough. Gonna use the bathroom and then I'll make a post of that.

HW:CLAIMING COP IS SCARY KAY D: It means instant nk target n1! If I lived as vanilla though...! Also the previous sentence being "I was afraid claiming cop would make people even more suspicious", which turned out to be entirely true.

Omba · « **Reply #328 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:53:43 PM »

... Faith in Serela's claim: Vanishing rapidly. Still want to see those reads, though.

Serela · « **Reply #329 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:56:57 PM »

My reads are... well, for starters. I think Serela is the cop. ##Vote Serela