Popcorn Mafia (GAME OVER - TOWN WINS)

[Lexicat]

If so, it's inconsistent and she needs to be shot.  If not, she's playing anti-town anyway.  So, not whatever.
Scumpicks right now are LLD rawr and Affinity.

Also, this is why IHNN needs to be shot soon.
 
But let's play "WIN A TOWNIE COOKIE". Anyone who can tell me why this post is a Shoot on Sight post, gets a townie cookie.

[Serela]

I seriously have to agree that my trigger finger is itching to go for IHNN, right now.

[Conqueror]

Serela providing comprehensive opinions only after he's been misvigged is policy lynch worthy in future games. Just saying.

IHNN is delusional but not sure if scum.

rawr can eat a bullet if he's just going to pop in and post one-liners once every 24 hours (prod received and reading my ass).

Lurkers make this game unfun.


"Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around ? nobody big, I mean ? except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff ? I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all. I know it's crazy, but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's crazy."

[Affinity]

I never called you town..

Really?  You should go be a Lopunny and wear a flame orb or something.

According to this, I'm scum because I did not explain why X is more scummy than Y. Apart from the fact that it's plain unnecessary because Bard can think that far himself, it's pretty obvious how "made some weird speculation leading to a pretty unjustified result" is less scummy than "pushed something that borders on then scummy, then reacted in a way that reads scummy" is less scummy than ":giant lurk: followed by downright horrible reaction".

It was not so much for Bard as it is for you.  Feigning solidity and being on the ball on a wide range of possible shots to look town 'reads' scummiest to me, which is why I asked for such clarifications.  As far as I remember LLD has no similar pretensions, especially with her pressing of rawr. 

Long overdue reasoning is lame.  I don't think Serela's reaction was horrible (one word); I can certainly tell why Conq and Bard thought so, but not you.  You are the only one to say that rawr's reaction is 'horrible (one word)', which no one agrees with.  Really, it's non-ambulatory for you of all people to say A < B < C is obvious when B and C aren't even clearly explained.

[I have no name]

Really?  You should go be a Lopunny and wear a flame orb or something.

'barely leaning town'=/=town.  I probably should have said null there but what's done is done.

Also, this is why IHNN needs to be shot soon.

I seriously have to agree that my trigger finger is itching to go for IHNN, right now.

Huh?  I don't even know what I did?

IHNN is delusional but not sure if scum.

How am I delusional for posting who I think is scum, considering I've been consistent about that all game?  I don't expect all 3 to be, but I'd be very surprised if none of them were-and slightly surprised if only 1 was.

[Conqueror]

How am I delusional for posting who I think is scum, considering I've been consistent about that all game?  I don't expect all 3 to be, but I'd be very surprised if none of them were-and slightly surprised if only 1 was.

You were sheeping rawr's logic in order to postulate a LLD/rawr/Affinity scumteam. If you think rawr is scum why are you springboarding an argument off a point he made?

Affinity, why are you so fixated on scum!Omba? As far as I can tell, your entire case is tautological and I haven't seen anyone who's bought into it. What do you think about other people?

I'm not too sure old Phoebe knew what the hell I was talking about. I mean she's only a little child and all. But she was listening, at least. If somebody at least listens, it's not too bad.

[I have no name]

You were sheeping rawr's logic in order to postulate a LLD/rawr/Affinity scumteam. If you think rawr is scum why are you springboarding an argument off a point he made?

2 reasons.
I was coming to the same conclusion.
and scum can make valid points.

[Conqueror]

Well, there's also the part where you go well, LLD's inconsistent and should be shot, and if not, whatever she's anti-town anyway so shoot her.

But whatever.

You do realize we have 2 vigs left and that the vig replaces our lynch for the game? We're trying to vig scum, not fulfill whatever personal vendettas you may have.

Put some more effort in the game.

People never think anything is anything really. I'm getting goddam sick of it.

[I have no name]

whatever she's anti-town anyway so shoot her.

But whatever.

You do realize we have 2 vigs left and that the vig replaces our lynch for the game? We're trying to vig scum, not fulfill whatever personal vendettas you may have.

I never actually said to shoot her in the later case.

Yes, I do realize we only have 2 shots left unless we hit scum.  I wouldn't push for her to be shot unless I'm more sure of her being scum than a random shot.

Put some more effort in the game.

I'm at least playing, which is more than can be said for rawr right now.  Additionally I have to go for the night now, and probably won't be back for another 15-16 hours as well.

[Affinity]

For more moderate opinions, I suppose I can say that rawr's last piece of content 48 hours ago was that lurkers were scum and needed to die.  Well, by his own reasoning, he should be shot. 

I think Neko is running his ground on his 'manipulative' thing, good advice, LLD being the pink power ranger that needs to be killed with fire, and his opinion that my case on Omba is bad.  It's pretty one-dimensional, and he doesn't have a very good range, especially with regards to people like rawr and nameless.  Worth looking into if this keeps up. 

Nameless is a thing with all the slips and stuff.  He's still scummy for sheeping people left and right, but the above instance seems to be so haphazard (e.g If so, LLD is scum) that it actually seems null.  I don't believe he actually needed to quote rawr, for example, and I don't think he thought that it would make him seem more town.  Due to this, I'm not really seeing him as a good shot now.

Conq looks town, though I would like to ask him what happened to hi line of questioning on Neko, and what prompted his change in stance on Serela.

[Conqueror]

I never actually said to shoot her in the later case.

If so, it's inconsistent and she needs to be shot.  If not, she's playing anti-town anyway.  So, not whatever.
Scumpicks right now are LLD rawr and Affinity.

>_>
If that's what you really meant, you use really messed up phrasing. Feels like one of those things you point back to that could go either way.

I would like to ask him what happened to hi line of questioning on Neko, and what prompted his change in stance on Serela.

rawr started out with a good effort and disappeared into nothingness, making a promise to catch up and instead giving us the bare minimum. Serela at least stayed consistently bad throughout the day and admitted to it. I'm a big fan of Lynch All Liars.  :toot:

I do want to see more from Neko because his posting has too many platitudes/truisms for my liking, but he's not exactly at the forefront of my mind right now. I'll get to him later today when he's put some other stuff out.

Here's Johnny!

[Dr Rawr]

jeez conq i dont need you breathing all over my butt  :blush:

Anyways currently looking at dan, ever since his "shoot competent players" was shot down his presence in the game has been small.

Skimmed most of the new stuff.  Whole lotta blah.  Nothing caught my eye except Neko targetting LLD, which I'll look into later.

would like to see whats up with that and an explanation on why serela earlier. Possibly reads to go along with it since after ed1 he hasnt made any

i dont understand why affinity thinks omba is scum, cant tell if thats desperate scum or weirdtown. will need to reread posts

lld is town though hes just attempting to get the gun

conq and omba are town i guess no reason to think otherwise

neko there quit a few words in your posts, but i feel as though im not getting much from it. your 138 was only about lld and 172 were just complaints

would pretty much shoot ihnn and actiondan currently

[Lexicat]

Dr. Rawr is still scum for trying to suggest all I'm doing is going for the gun, when clearly I am scumhunting.
 
This is where the bullets should be heading, thank you.

[ActionDan]

I seriously have to agree that my trigger finger is itching to go for IHNN, right now.

Don't say things like this until the time to shoot comes.  Ask neutral questions if needed.

Skimming,

Agreeing with LLD that the post LLD quoted of Neko's looked like genuine town.  It was the kind of thing I didn't see from Serela D1.

Paranoia about Conq is setting in, but even If he were scum I'd feel it's more productive to try for the other two.

On Rawr: the statement about LLD is wtf.  That should be clarified.  Otherwise the rest of the post is pretty general and null to me.

Still don't want to shoot IHNN.  I would say I get why LLD thinks he's scummy for the thing she quoted. (i.e "LLD inconsistant scum, or else anti-town, but let me put her on my scum-reads") but honestly it's not scummy.  he gave a read => he made a choice => he believed more strongly in LLD scum than LLD town.

At the moment, I really don't know who I'd shoot. Gonna look more in depth at Affinity/Omba.  Everything fit so much more nicely if Serela was scum.

[I have no name]

>_>
If that's what you really meant, you use really messed up phrasing. Feels like one of those things you point back to that could go either way.

Yeah, in hindsight I did.  +1 thing I need to work on; re-phrasing things to be more clear.

[Serela]

I'm pretty sure Affinity is town. I think Conq is too. Also still Neko.

Omba and Rawr are so-so in a ":/" way for me (Not trying to say that Omba's level of play is like rawr's!), the rest are varying levels of I Want To Shoot. Taokaka is the most out of them though.

This is still just a list of reads without any reasoning though, which would be pretty crappy if I wasn't confirmed town, and isn't very useful even as I am. Trying to actually organize my thoughts on everyone so that I can leave behind pearls of wisdom in the case that I don't vig a scum. I have made up my mind on who I want to shoot right now, but it's very possible I'll end up changing it before that actually happens, so :shrug:

[NekoNekoRex]

I need to say more things

[Omba]

While we're naming our town reads, I think LLD is town and Conq is somewhat town. Neko is slightly town.

Also Serela. I think it's a good idea if you hold off on telling us more about your thoughts until close to the point where you want to shoot (just write them up in a text editor or something and post them all at once).
The holding off doesn't apply to asking questions and the like.

[NekoNekoRex]

I kind of have a gut read on Conq. I've been reading his posts and they kind of bother me a bit, his posts have seemed a bit too crafty for my tastes.

I admit I have been pretty much skimming most of Day 2 though I need to get on it but I've been goofing around way too much today, it doesn't hel in an hour I'll be busy the rest of the day with some RPG stuff.

Conversely I think IHNN might be a poor vig choice right now, he doesn't look as bad as I think people are making him out to be, I'd focus on some other more blatantly bad players like Affinity and possibly LLD. LLD might have possibly improved?

*looks at LLD's more recent posts*

Nope, still screams "kill it with fire" to me.

[Lexicat]

Serela, I had a dream last night about how you shot Dan and he flipped town and I was sad and the fate of the game rested in Dan's hands and .
 
Don't make Tao a sad cat. Shoot IHNN or Affinity or Rawr.

[NekoNekoRex]

Well, there's also the part where you go well, LLD's inconsistent and should be shot, and if not, whatever she's anti-town anyway so shoot her.

I'm a big fan of Lynch All Liars.

To clarify more on the first point, it's little things like this that bother me quite a bit. Little implications that make someone look worse then they actually are, trying to manipulate how people read to other players.

[Serela]

To clarify more on the first point, it's little things like this that bother me quite a bit. Little implications that make someone look worse then they actually are, trying to manipulate how people read to other players.

Actually, I think these thoughts are pretty legitimate. As in, Conq's thoughts.

It's basically what IHNN actually said, and Lynch All Liars (when used intelligently, of course) is also pretty legitimate. People promising they'll post and then not getting around to it is something I see from scum a lot, for one >.> Whether they actually intended to post or not. But, as said; when used intelligently.

But yeah, I'm growing more happy with my vigging choice. Don't think I'll be changing it.

Omba:I would ask questions, but overall, I'm not much of the question-asking type in mafia :c Like, sometimes I see questions I'd like to ask. Most of the time, they aren't towards people I actually think are scum  :derp: I haven't really figured out a good way to fit them into my method of scumhunting yet. I need to work on figuring out a good way to pressure too; sometimes it'd be useful, but my scumhunting mostly doesn't use any intentional interaction with the person from me as of 'til the present.

Anyway. Don't mind me >.> I'll try to sort my things out so I can shoot without just being "herp derp this is why I shot X now let's hope it goes well"

[NekoNekoRex]

"Basically what he said" is different from "he actually said that" though

It bugs me when it looks like you could twist words so easily like that.

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[Conqueror]

his posts have seemed a bit too crafty for my tastes.

... It's the Kirigiri avatar isn't it.  :ohdear:

Not sure what you mean when you say I'm trying to manipulate how people read to other players to make them look worse than they actually are, unless you're referring to the way I parse through what's publically available in the thread to arrive at a decision? It's like casemaking on MotK has died.  You're free to disagree with my stance, but stuff like this:

"Basically what he said" is different from "he actually said that" though

...is bollocks because even IHNN admitted he used fucked up wording (I assume you're talking about that from the quotes). I'm not twisting anything here.

Conversely I think IHNN might be a poor vig choice right now, he doesn't look as bad as I think people are making him out to be, I'd focus on some other more blatantly bad players like Affinity and possibly LLD. LLD might have possibly improved?

For what it's worth, I could easily revert to this style of casemaking, throwing out blanket statements without justification, but they don't mean anything to me unless I have backing for them. Why are Affinity and LLD blatantly bad, while IHNN is a bad vig choice? Just interested in hearing your reasoning.

I feel like Pirlo has seduced more men tonight than Monroe in her whole life. ~Anonymous

[Dr Rawr]

This is the scum hunting in the universe
totally wouldnt shoot this guy ^

[Affinity]

Omba seems really outdated so far in D2 compared to his D1.  Everyone else has posted and developed their stances but all he does is to give us lame, useless town reads (without justification) again?  Fits my image of scum coasting on cred, and now there's very little idea of what his scumreads are either than on me, or whether his other scumreads have held up or not.  Still advocating his shot.  Lynch all Lamers (except me).

rawr is still pretty lame for more average reasons; e.g he wants to vig Dan and Nameless but strangely he doesn't elaborate on the latter?  He also elaborates on why Neko is weird but strangely he doesn't want to vig him.  Strikes me as lazy case making to me, especially compared to his D1 posts. 

Will comment on others later, but most people seem rather tentative on their stances as of now.  Would prefer that Omba be shot due to what I see as pretentious scumhunting.  Still don't think Nameless is a good shot due to what I said above. 

I am a lamer.  Lame lame lame lame lame.

[NekoNekoRex]

It's basically what IHNN actually said, and Lynch All Liars (when used intelligently, of course) is also pretty legitimate. People promising they'll post and then not getting around to it is something I see from scum a lot, for one >.> Whether they actually intended to post or not. But, as said; when used intelligently.

I suppose I didn't think of it this way, I tend to think more along the lines of "fakeclaims" when it comes to LaL. You make a good point.

... It's the Kirigiri avatar isn't it.  :ohdear:

Not sure what you mean when you say I'm trying to manipulate how people read to other players to make them look worse than they actually are, unless you're referring to the way I parse through what's publically available in the thread to arrive at a decision? It's like casemaking on MotK has died.  You're free to disagree with my stance, but stuff like this:...is bollocks because even IHNN admitted he used fucked up wording (I assume you're talking about that from the quotes). I'm not twisting anything here.
For what it's worth, I could easily revert to this style of casemaking, throwing out blanket statements without justification, but they don't mean anything to me unless I have backing for them. Why are Affinity and LLD blatantly bad, while IHNN is a bad vig choice? Just interested in hearing your reasoning.

*flails about*
I wasn't really aiming to make a big case on you in the first place, so forgive me if my post is pretty terrible overall. As I said, it's mostly gut, but I didn't want for people to ask me what I meant by saying he's "being crafty"
But you're doing it again with the things that bother me. Let me pull out a select quote from that post:

It's like casemaking on MotK has died.

Thinly veiled insults like that aren't going to help anyone catch scum, it only throws people off and presses their buttons (the ones who you're insulting).

LLD and Affinity have more solid bad play then IHNN, I think it'd be safer to shoot the players who are actually playing bad then players who people are jumping on for a few "gotcha" posts.
IHNN also seems like he's putting actual effort into scumhunting, for another reason, which is better then what I can say for the former players.

[Serela]

It's like I'm the only person who thinks Affinity is town and that his opinions are good. ;_;

[Conqueror]

Ah, well it wasn't meant to be an insult; it was half me being frustrated at my computer and half me being melodramatic about the current meta, since cases are pretty much my bread and butter even if I sometimes get too lazy to produce them. That aside, what I was trying to convey is that your blurb felt more like an attack on my playstyle than anything, which is kind of a pet peeve for me because of ~*reasons*~. (But I'll try to tone down on the snarkiness).

rawr has devolved into trolling. If you're not going to play the game, ffs don't sign up.

But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them for four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don't make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share.