Author Topic: Popcorn Mafia (GAME OVER - TOWN WINS)  (Read 54172 times)

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: June 23, 2012, 06:28:06 PM »
IHNN, are you actually accusing me of doing nothing?
 
That's funny.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I merely made an observation that you haven't done very much this game.

I don't see what's so funny about it.

Nameless feels rather lackluster at the moment?  Didn't he find me town right when I was in the process of attacking Omba, only to suddenly think it scum now or something?  I also thought he agreed with LLD's reason for going after rawr?

(Nameless being a direct example)

Promising a case with 7 hours left in the day (while I'm asleep) is also pretty jerkass, but whatever.  If I had to choose someone other than Omba, Nameless and rawr would come to mind for the standard reasons, though I doubt shooting them would be very beneficial.  I am a lamer and will always be one due to my inauspicious history.
Nope.  Never said I found you town this game.  I do agree with LLD's reasoning for rawr, but she has 0 stances on anyone else at the moment (if I missed something feel free to point it out).

An example of what?  I'm addressing your points directly.

So basically rawr and I come to mind as shots for 'standard reasons'.  What are these?  Why do you think shooting us wouldn't be beneficial?

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: June 23, 2012, 07:04:22 PM »
Oh gee, I called Affinity scum and Serela town.
 
You aren't reading.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2012, 07:14:26 PM »
Oh gee, I called Affinity scum and Serela town.
Tao doesn't know what a Serela is, but she certainly wouldn't shoot one!
I'll also endorse an Affinity shot.
You aren't reading.
Oh aren't I?  But that's still only a stance on 3 of the 8 non-confirmed players (not including yourself).
I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I merely made an observation that you haven't done very much this game.
This still holds.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2012, 07:20:03 PM »
I'm starting to lean towards IHNN being scum at this point. I dunno... he looks weird :/

I'm going to be so happy when we got some kind of flip to work with.
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: June 23, 2012, 07:24:19 PM »
Eww. Well I think Affinity is town (why the fuck would he attack Omba of all people as scum) but I wouldn't mind him being shot just so the rest of you stop getting distracted.

Also, I'm going to pull back on Serela a little because I could actually conceive him being this bad as town. I'm going to suggest a rawr vig over Serela because the dearth of content from him is pretty uncharacteristic of rawr!town, especially since I can see last active times B|.


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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: June 23, 2012, 07:34:46 PM »
Anyone can say that Dan is suspicious for setup speculating, that rawr is suspicious for being brash at LLD's brash attack, that Serela's waffling is scummy-looking; it is the choice between viable targets and the reasoning behind it which counts, and Omba has none of that.  I would think my line of questioning is valid in that sense.
Shit case. According to this, I'm scum because I did not explain why X is more scummy than Y. Apart from the fact that it's plain unnecessary because Bard can think that far himself, it's pretty obvious how "made some weird speculation leading to a pretty unjustified result" is less scummy than "pushed something that borders on then scummy, then reacted in a way that reads scummy" is less scummy than ":giant lurk: followed by downright horrible reaction". Nevermind that if lack of reasoning given is his way of choosing who should be shot here, he should be advocating a Taokaka shot because she's been even more concise (and gave zero reasoning for suspecting Affinity; if he's able to read the reasoning without her giving it, he should similarly be able to do the same in my case).
In short: Pushes a bullshit case, proceeds to name as other viable shots... well, the same sort of generally viable shots he accused me of advocating.
Result: Needs a bullet.

No name continues climbing up the list by pointing out, but completely holding off on giving a read to accompany what he pointed out. Apart from the whole "where's the problem in only giving reads on specific players" thing.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: June 23, 2012, 07:37:35 PM »
(why the fuck would he attack Omba of all people as scum)
Why not?

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: June 23, 2012, 07:40:29 PM »
No name continues climbing up the list by pointing out, but completely holding off on giving a read to accompany what he pointed out.
I thought I gave a read in my reads post (#140) but apparently not.  Right now LLD is leaning scum, it sort of feels like she's picking apart my words to find things I missed, and before you accuse me of doing the same thing; I was a little bit to counter her doing the same thing.  I feel that there's a better way to phrase the previous sentence but I don't know what it is.

Apart from the whole "where's the problem in only giving reads on specific players" thing.
Normally it's not a problem, but when you only have stances on 3 people (which are common stances on those people) it comes across as trying to play it safe.

LLD, can we get some idea of what you're thinking about players that are not named Affinity, Serela or rawr?

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: June 23, 2012, 07:49:21 PM »
^
I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  I merely made an observation that you haven't done very much this game.
This is what I'm referring to.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: June 23, 2012, 07:54:45 PM »
Why not?
I guess scum!Affinity could have a hard on for hard targets that fight back when there are so many other potential targets, it's true. But I'm pretty sure he suspected me for similar tautological reasons in Shadoweh's Vanilla, where we were both town.

That said, if it were someone like you presenting the same sort of argument, I'd pretty much want you dead immediately (see that same game). So I'm not convinced Affinity's argument makes him scum, but I wouldn't mind him getting shot so we stop going down this road. If Affinity is town I trust he'll be able to make a better choice of shot after 3 more days of discussion anyway.


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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: June 23, 2012, 08:11:09 PM »
Interesting.

Has your No name read changed in any way?

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: June 23, 2012, 08:20:33 PM »
I'm not going to attempt to read IHNN without flips, and I'm pretty sure all of you who claim he's easy to read are lying bastards.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: June 23, 2012, 08:22:38 PM »
I thought I gave a read in my reads post (#140) but apparently not.  Right now LLD is leaning scum, it sort of feels like she's picking apart my words to find things I missed, and before you accuse me of doing the same thing; I was a little bit to counter her doing the same thing.  I feel that there's a better way to phrase the previous sentence but I don't know what it is.
Normally it's not a problem, but when you only have stances on 3 people (which are common stances on those people) it comes across as trying to play it safe.

LLD, can we get some idea of what you're thinking about players that are not named Affinity, Serela or rawr?

Nope! ^-^/

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: June 23, 2012, 08:29:22 PM »
Interesting.
What's interesting about it? You know what I'm talking about, yes?

Let's put a smile on that face!


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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: June 23, 2012, 08:35:46 PM »
Gonna sleep, won't be awake for deadline.

Shoot

Affinity, if you aren't Scum, then uh. Well, good luck herding this Town.

I kinda want to change that target to Serela.

Like, right now. Since he's a useless jackarse.

Goddamn I want to.

I really want to.

Every fibre of my being is saying SHOOT SERELA.

Fuck it.

##SHOOT: Serela

I'm shooting my gut.

I don't think shooting LLD is profitable until later on. She's just as unhelpful as ever. I don't think shooting Dr Rawr is a good idea at all since I'm pretty sure he's Town. Conq is trying too hard to get me confused by suddenly switching stances. :V

If I am still in the game by tomorrow I swear to Shadimeh I'll shoot someone.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: June 23, 2012, 09:30:04 PM »
Bard is dead, serela gunbearer, flavor and stuff later.

75~ hours to shoot.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: June 23, 2012, 10:19:53 PM »
Shoot Dan Instantly or Don't Shoot Dan Instantly... choices, choices.

I'm too lazy to reread him right now (I'm of course going to do this) so it'll be later if I don't change my mind and shoot IHNN or someone instead.

Off to dinner! /poof

(...I'm not REALLY going to shoot someone right away, that'd be silly. I have to admit that unless people really want to I probably won't be waiting 3 days, though. Maybe two.)
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: June 23, 2012, 10:25:02 PM »
And Bardiche held the gun to Serela's head and declared "Every fibre of my being is telling me to shoot you."

"But I'm not scum!"

"I'm shooting my gut. Now DIE SCUM!"

***

Bardiche was found with a shot in the gut. Serela found a gun next to the body. Yay guns! Now Serela has the gun.

He has 74.5 hours to shoot someone!

Timer

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: June 23, 2012, 11:07:12 PM »
Serela found a gun next to the body. Yay guns!
Hooray :D

I SWEAR I DIDN'T SHOOT K4U GUYS I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A GUN AT THE TIME BUT IT'S TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #169 on: June 23, 2012, 11:08:44 PM »
Congratulations to Bardiche for being the worst townie in this game, despite being confirmed as town.
 
You shot Serela. SERIOUSLY. SERELA.
 
Next time you try and call someone "unhelpful" get your own shit in order first.
 
Serela, you should not shoot Dan. Shooting Affinity or Rawr is tech.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2012, 11:23:37 PM »
What's interesting about it? You know what I'm talking about, yes?
One point I found interesting is that I'd have thought it a potentially viable scum strategy for a different reason (i.e., hanging onto a target that is unlikely to get lynched/shot anytime soon allows you to do a number of things, not being on a wagon / among the supporters of someone that dies and gets confirmed town by his flip / getting the gun being one of those things).
Yeah, I get what you're talking about. It makes sense.

Serela, don't explain why you played like that. Don't.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2012, 11:47:21 PM »
Serela, don't explain why you played like that. Don't.
If you think it's because I wanted to get the gun or something, no, that'd be lame. I usually lurk out D1 because I generally can't figure much out until around mid-D2.  (Early D1 went a lot worse then it should have me-wise though due to the not sleeping thing messing me up for a long time)

From what I can remember I might could go for a Rawr shoot, and Dan/IHNN are the other probables. That being said I'm going to be rereading all of them sometime soon so I can get all those thoughts in order. It's highly unlikely I'd shoot Omba/Affinity/Conq/Neko unless I had some sort of epiphany; it's not that I have big town reads on all of them, it's just that I don't see anything I particularly dislike and/or things I think are more likely from town, so there's much higher priorities on my shooting list then them.

And then ??? on Taokaka LLD.

I need to take a nap. I'll probably get the rereads done early tomorrow.
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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #172 on: June 24, 2012, 12:35:17 AM »
So much rage

At Taokaka.

Seriously, people ho don't PLAY2WIN tick me off a real storm.

Anwser questions when asked, especially if you're being asked to put out some reads.


Also you guys need to stop metaing EVERYTHING. The whole argument that "this player is clear because (s)he's not blatantly scum metaing" is a terrible way to do things and assumptions just get town killed.

People in the graveyard for Bunny Must Die were all over Shadoweh being scum for meta reasons
Guess what? He was town.

We have three days worth of posts, you can afford to put the meta down away and use some real posts to make cases and reads.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #173 on: June 24, 2012, 12:39:54 AM »
Also Affinity kind of needs to take a dirt nap as well, making bullshit cases like that are what I'm defining as "manipulative".
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia


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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #175 on: June 24, 2012, 12:44:01 AM »
She's roleplaying a catgirl, and I still want her burned at the stake


This is how mad I am


(I'm not actually IRL mad)
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #176 on: June 24, 2012, 12:47:40 AM »
LLD is just intentionally acting like that for the gun, so w/e

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: June 24, 2012, 12:57:13 AM »
LLD is just intentionally acting like that for the gun, so w/e
Also:

Don't be a derptard and set yourself up for a shooting target just so you can get the gun. The purpose of the game isn't to get the gun, it's to eliminate scum. Don't forget that.

This. So much this.
If so, it's inconsistent and she needs to be shot.  If not, she's playing anti-town anyway.  So, not whatever.
Scumpicks right now are LLD rawr and Affinity.

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #178 on: June 24, 2012, 01:22:31 AM »
You seriously don't think I don't have a good protown reason for not answering that question?
 
Let's examine the evidence:
 
 
This is how Town reacts:
So much rage

At Taokaka.

Seriously, people ho don't PLAY2WIN tick me off a real storm.

Anwser questions when asked, especially if you're being asked to put out some reads.


Also you guys need to stop metaing EVERYTHING. The whole argument that "this player is clear because (s)he's not blatantly scum metaing" is a terrible way to do things and assumptions just get town killed.

People in the graveyard for Bunny Must Die were all over Shadoweh being scum for meta reasons
Guess what? He was town.

We have three days worth of posts, you can afford to put the meta down away and use some real posts to make cases and reads.

This is how scum reacts:
 
LLD is just intentionally acting like that for the gun, so w/e

Have we learned anything today kiddies?

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Re: Popcorn Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #179 on: June 24, 2012, 01:24:36 AM »
(Also, Omba is town, Neko is town, Conq is leaning town but still up in the air for me. IHNN needs to die badly, and Dan is town for the moment <but I am waiting on something to confirm something etc etc etc>)