MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN

[Dr Rawr]

Also yea this is my 3rd game

[Shady_Ghost]

Yes.  Your #35 was why I thought so, but before I posted I read through the rest of the thread up to the most recent post.  Someone had already made the point I was going to make, so I said I agreed.

But it's a slow D1, there's not much info so there's not much to go off of but hunches.

If somehting else happens in the next couple minutes I'll respond but if not I have class for 3 hours.

That post eh.  Well just cuz I sided with dormio in the beginning doesnt mean I wont vote him later.    So what you're telling me is your reason for voting for dormio hasn't changed since #57 cuz I'm sure he's made enough posts since then to prove your point further if you are indeed correct.

[Hanged Hourai]

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (1) - Serela
Dormio (3) -  huh what, Shadoweh,  i have no name,
ActionDan (0) -
PX (Great and Powerful Trixie) (1) - ICE
Dr Rawr (0) -
Serela (0) -
ShadyK (1) - Dan
I have no name (1) - ShadyK
Shadoweh (2) - Dormio,  Affinity
Affinity (1) - dr rawr
Anthy (0) -
ICE (2) - Anthy, PX



Not voting: No one

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in ~51 hours.

Screw unvotesssssssssss

[ICE]

Please answer my question, i dont need it in a form of a question kthnx

So youre saying you would be ok if shadoweh were to go on a spree getting town lynched just because your secret thing with shadoweh makes her town?

I'm not okay with lynching town, but I'd argue with shadoweh about her reads, not lynch her.  Because that's what you do when town is wrong

I'm not sure you're wrong town.

[Shadoweh]

Because I KNOW people are going to ask on my list it's Dormio, ShadyK, ICE and PX, with PX being the least suspicious at the moment.

My favorite question of the day is going to get asked alot! Why? Do you feel that Dormio and ICE or PX and ICE could be scum together? Why do you suspect Shadyk and did you before he voted you?

@people who asked me the same thing, Why i choose shadoweh over dormio? probably because of the omgus and the fact that i find it weird how on ICE first post he declares shadoweh town for no apparent reason.

ICE randomly declared me town for no reason. This makes me scum because .   Although it's known for scum to go out of their way to defend townies for cred, this would be a scumtell for him and a towntell for me. Unless you are implying we are scumbuddies trying to link ourselves to each other as hard as possible, because we feel pity for town and want you to have an easy time.

I was going to comment you should ask the questions you want answered again but you actually did that so etc.

@shadoweh I had doubts about both you and dormio because I cant tell if dormio is trying to be serious and voting, and if your omgus on him was serious or not.

Those sounds like null-tells. We could both not be serious and just be town looking for a reason to vote. Speaking of which, I hope you realize you're voting Affinity over something you've just stated you were voting me for.

ICE might be town cuz his reasons do make some sense to me. Just his posts in general seem fairly townie. But at the same time he's kind of a drama queen when it comes to any mention of him or you being scum.  Like in #43 soon as a couple votes racked up on ya he was all like 'no get off shadoweh'.  Then I mention the possibility of him being scum and he flips out in #76 with a 'OH GOD WHAT'  It's posts like those that make me feel like he's scum.

I'm sorry, I'm distracted by the picture of Lain in a tinkerbell dress throwing a temper tantrum at her managers. Okay back. So you think that he sounds reasonable but he's being over-defensive towards someone town and himself? That's a reasonable conclusion. I don't think he's worried about being fingered though. Since you asked, I think he's being proactive, and driving townie forces not only seem obviously town, but they get killed really fast, so the only reason I would have to suspect ICE is if he were alive in three days. I'm not going out of my way to defend him because he is a big boy and my reading of townie vibes says he doesn't need it.

Voting Dormio is fun but I need something new to go on. Let's go with...

##Unvote
##Vote: PX OBVBUDDY WAGON GO

[ICE]

If the 2004 US presidential election taught me anything, it's that flipflopping accusations are often taken out of context. 

Dormio is claiming that he isn't serious about pushing her for the lynch.  In #61 Dormio doesn't like Shadoweh because he thinks that Shadoweh has the "killing intent" against Dormio (that's how I read it anyway).  Meanwhile he's still thinking about who could be scum.  I'm going to appeal to Hw here and argue that this phenomenom is what happened to me in Schezo's game when I parked my vote on Serela.

Seriously grey, try to dissociate the wagon from Shadoweh's wagon from Dormio, and try to go DEEPER.  Think of the votepark on Shadoweh in the way that your vote has been left on Px.  Also what do you think of Affinity, Rawr, and ShadyK?

Also stick with addessing him as Dormio.

I now feel very comfortable answering 2/3

ShadyK - newbie town.  That one post was made of pure 100% DERP but the explanation made perfect sense, from the perspective of 'oh my god this is so new to me'
Rawr - obvscum.  Really, really obvscum
Affinity - Shitty mechanic, even if doing 21 points of damage on turn 3 was an awesome sight to behold... wait, the poster.  Oh.  Not posting elsewhere on site while not posting here makes the lurking a tad more null, and if your plan is to scumlurk without drawing attention to yourself going 'Also OMGUS' is a bad idea.  But overall, one post is... one post.

[ActionDan]

I get the feeling Rawr is town. 

ShadyK, could you tell me exactly what you were thinking when you voted Shadoweh in #35. 

Things in your posts so far:
a) You sided with Dormio  <------- There was a dispute in which a side could be taken
b) You had no reason to vote Shadoweh in the first place <----------- There really wasn't

Ice, first let's not antagonize the playerlist unnecessarily.

Rawr's concern was the same as Hw's concern, and Hw is a fairly experienced mafia player.

I myself am more interested in your reads of the other people not named Px and Dormio.

And I'm going to echo Rawr that Px lurking is a null-tell (EVEN if he's been posting elsewhere, I believe).  Neither of us called that a town-tell and honestly you should know better than to stuff words in our mouths.

Shadoweh: Do you and GreyIce have at least a non-alignment confirmed QT?  I wasn't kidding when I mentioned my magical pixie sticks. They should be > "sekrets"
This might get awkward later...

So I'd love to see posts from Hw, Affinity, Serela, Px, Dormio, and maybe Anthy before I claim.  It's gonna be a blast!  literally

-cut!

Ok, that makes me feel less paranoid.  Although I'm feeling Rawr town, and ShadyK needs more input, but I reconize the derp.

[ICE]

SEKRETS don't get questioned on day 1 silly ^_^

Also Rawr isn't town, but that's okay.  We'll hash that one out later. 

[Shadoweh]

O_o That's a really specific question Dan. I don't see a pro-town reason to answer it, pixie sticks or not. If you're asking because you're paranoid about ICE, I'll tell you that I simply don't think he's scum and trying to advance the game state while voting in an antagonizing way doesn't make sense for the scum agenda.

If you're asking because you're a creepy mime and you want to snuggle in please get away from me.

Besides The Trixie Diaries made me breathe hot chocolate down the wrong tube.

[ES-Anthy]

Quick before work after school post.

@shadoweh:  my post was implying such actions are against/bad for town, basically saying scum.

Also ICE secrets day one or not are still secrets and still creates doubts and paranoia <.<

[Shadoweh]

The only one who should be paranoid about townie secrets are the scum team. You're still implying that openly saying you have something to hide is scummy, when it has the caveat that said person has to deliver later. The scum don't want to make themselves accountable this early.

Also Kitten4u isn't a player so no one has fakeclaims that awesome.

[Shady_Ghost]

Ah yes derpy posts my forte.  Since im doing this from my phone it's gonna be rather brief.  Dan i hate to say it but i was just thinking 'lol rnadom vote time guess ill vote with dormio' orz I'll assume you want more input on ICE dormio situation and if not then correct me.  Well at this point my suspicions on ice being scum have lowered for one but right now I want to wait for dormio and the others input before making any decisions (that and I hate typing on this phone)

[ICE]

Quick before work after school post.

@shadoweh:  my post was implying such actions are against/bad for town, basically saying scum.

Also ICE secrets day one or not are still secrets and still creates doubts and paranoia <.<

You want to just outright claim scum, rather than softclaiming it?

[ActionDan]

That's fine Shady, you're ok.

##Unvote
##Vote: Px

I don't even know what to say.  Anthy get thyself to a computer.

Thx Shadoweh, my paranoia is going down.  was checking for redundant info.  that's not something I'll reveal today.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Guten morgen.

#58 you state this wagon on Shadoweh isn't serious.
#60 you state that you don't like Shadoweh's comment.

Yeah, I didn't like the comment. What of it?

Also about Dormio playing dumb.. :V

What is this supposed to mean? >:<

Dormio what exactly don't you like about me besides that I responded to your pointed anger with returned hostility? Look I'm giving you more material to make an answer by. <^_^>

At that point, not much else.

I still dislike GreyICE, but I'm going to chalk that up as playstyle differences for the time being.

PX not posting is a thing that I really don't like.

Dislike people with one (or less, Serela) posts to their name.

Dislike I have no name's lack of opinions on anything.

Whatever, I need to actually be productive today. The weather sucks.
##Unvote
##Vote I have no name.

[ES-Anthy]

Look, danging a 'secret' and treating it like scum bait is like expecting to find a thief by leaving a $20 and seeing who picks it up first.  It's a crappy way to grab someone who is scum cause you're tempting curiosity.  It's still anti-town at least as you're turning yourself into a target by claiming you know someone else is town nearly out of the gate. The fact is that wouldn't one want to not just whip out a spade from the sleeve and leave it there for all to see with no use.  So either it's scum or anti-town at best.  And if I missed your reveal date, blame calculus homework and my procrastination, and speaking of that, I should leave the bathroom now <.<

[ES-Anthy]

Dangling not danging x-x

[I have no name]

My favorite question of the day is going to get asked alot! Why? Do you feel that Dormio and ICE or PX and ICE could be scum together? Why do you suspect Shadyk and did you before he voted you?

It wasn't that he voted me specifically but the way he 'defended' Dormio.  I get it's still probably a jokevote, but it still struck me as off.

Dislike I have no name's lack of opinions on anything.

I've presented a few opinions.  I'd give more if I wasn't neutral on most people at the moment.

Whatever, I need to actually be productive today. The weather sucks.
##Unvote
##Vote I have no name.

Don't see how that's productive other than forcing me to defend myself (I'm obviously not scum.  Obviously.), but if you think so then whatever.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Productive as in I need to get real life stuff sorted out.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

From what I can see, your current opinions can be summed up as:

• PX and Dormio probably aren't scum again. The guy accusing them must be suspicious because of it.
• Not much happening, can't be bothered to do stuff then.
• Random statistics and sheeping to HW.
• Dormio, ShadyK, GreyICE, and PX are suspicious for reasons that I have yet to disclose.
• I'm not saying stuff because other people already said it.
• I already stated my opinions.

All your opinions seem to be gleaned from those around you etc.
Anyway, I was supposed to do stuff!

[ICE]

Look, danging a 'secret' and treating it like scum bait is like expecting to find a thief by leaving a $20 and seeing who picks it up first.  It's a crappy way to grab someone who is scum cause you're tempting curiosity.  It's still anti-town at least as you're turning yourself into a target by claiming you know someone else is town nearly out of the gate. The fact is that wouldn't one want to not just whip out a spade from the sleeve and leave it there for all to see with no use.  So either it's scum or anti-town at best.  And if I missed your reveal date, blame calculus homework and my procrastination, and speaking of that, I should leave the bathroom now <.<

Hey Anthy, have anything better to do than discuss mafia theory (poorly) and leave your vote on town?

[PX]

Quick post before Trixie rushes off to get breakfast brunch food at 3PM.
Trixie's reads on people through a quick skim.
1. huh what - No idea
2. Dormio - Town
3. ActionDan - Town
5. Dr Rawr - Town
6. Serela - Does he have posts?
7. ShadyK - Need to read
8. I have no name - Need to read
9. Shadoweh - Die scum! Town
10. Affinity - Need to read
11. Anthy - Need to read
12. ICE - Trixie does not like you at all. Town

[I have no name]

• PX and Dormio probably aren't scum again. The guy accusing them must be suspicious because of it.
• Random statistics and sheeping to HW.
• Dormio, ShadyK, GreyICE, and PX are suspicious for reasons that I have yet to disclose.

I thought ICE was suspicious for other reasons, mainly that he seems to be rather secretive.  I do think it's unlikely that the same 2 people are scum but I haven't ruled it out.
I like numbers, what more can I say?
Because I don't have solid reasons yet-just hunches.  I feel like voting for someone I think might be scum will be more productive than either withholding my vote or voting for another random person.

That said,
##Unvote
ICE, you've seemed rather antagonistic this entire game thus far.  As Dormio has also said, not sure if its playstyle difference (although I don't like his either), but I don't like that/trust you at the moment.

Withholding a further vote until my next post, which should be after I get back from visiting my friend in the hospital.  I want more information tbh.

You may wish to review your post.
Curse my inexperience at this game.
Serela posted once I think, back in jokevoting.  I think Affinity has also voted only the once.[/list]

[ES-Anthy]

ICE it's called dealing with bs scholarship essays and school .<.

Joking aside what benefits is there in just shoving that 'secret' right out into the open then?  I know already I've made a stupid mistake on the part of potential scum baiting, but that still bugs the shit outta me cause you're making yourself a side of a barn on night one in my opinion. Will get out better opinions on everyone else when I can actually make a decent judgement with a full stomach.

[Shadoweh]

Look, danging a 'secret' and treating it like scum bait is like expecting to find a thief by leaving a $20 and seeing who picks it up first.  It's a crappy way to grab someone who is scum cause you're tempting curiosity.

It got us past the non-serious phase and onto having real discussions, didn't it? More importantly, no one is voting anyone for those reasons. If ICE were tunneling on someone because they reacted wrong to 'secrets' you would have a point. This is more like da police organizing a sting operation and having a reporter trying to catch the scoop.

It's still anti-town at least as you're turning yourself into a target by claiming you know someone else is town nearly out of the gate.

Explain this to me. How is it scummy to turn yourself into a target? Scum don't want attention. Scum don't want people wondering why they're alive after three nightkills. It's reaction grabbing. And sometimes you gotta be a little anti-town to corner the scumbags, fight fire with fire, they ain't playing fair so don't be surprised when we break out the tear gas. 

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
I'm satisfied with Dormio at the moment. He's done a fine job of explaining where he's coming from since my initial vote and now he looks more inquisitive than panicky and passive-aggressively scummy.

Nameless bleeds obvious newbtown every time he posts. As newbscum, he'd either be putting more effort into looking good or acting more gung-ho for the sake of getting a mislynch. I don't see him doing either.

##Vote Anthy
All of his stances on other players in this post are simultaneously weak and very safe to take. Particularly, voting GreyICE over an easily observable fact instead of scum intent doesn't sit right with me - secrecy on it's own isn't scummy, so if you're going to attack somebody for it, you had better explain why the circumstances make it look scum-motivated.

I'd like to see ShadyK take a solid, non-waffly stance on a player who isn't a fellow newbie. The Nameless wagon is unimpressive and trying to avoid picking unwinnable fights with stronger players is a reasonable newbscum action.

Unhappy with PX, GJ responding to a lurker prod by keeping down your OMGUS on the guy you said you think is town. Less sold on him actually being scum instead of a herp than I am on Anthy, though. Town will lurk on purpose if they're lazy jerks, and that's a pretty accurate description of PX in Mafia.

[Shadoweh]

Haha I didn't realize Anthy was still voting ICE until huh what pointed it out.

Anthy, your post is about being mad at ICE for making himself a nightkill target. IE being mad at him for being TOWN. That's three times now I've said this. Stop voting someone you think is town.

[ICE]

Quick post before Trixie rushes off to get breakfast brunch food at 3PM.
Trixie's reads on people through a quick skim.
1. huh what - No idea
2. Dormio - Town
3. ActionDan - Town
5. Dr Rawr - Town
6. Serela - Does he have posts?
7. ShadyK - Need to read
8. I have no name - Need to read
9. Shadoweh - Die scum! Town
10. Affinity - Need to read
11. Anthy - Need to read
12. ICE - Trixie does not like you at all. Town

My desire for your blood has been quenched by this very townie...

OH WAIT BURN TRIXIE BURN BURN BURN

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ICE, while you're around, can you explain what you have on Rawr that makes him obvscum? I'm not following it beyond "he has misconceptions about the game".

[Serela]

Okay I'm totes home again! Posting time.

It is sort of hard to tell whether ED1 Dormio was being semi-serious or all joke because of his #27. I mean, it's enough for an ED1 case.

Rant time.
ICE violates the common sense of not revealing role-related info unless you need to, or maybe he's just bluffing or doing something weird, I wouldn't know. Either way his "Shadoweh is town, gtfo with those Shadoweh votes" is dumb. If it's role-related info, it doesn't need to be said unless she's actually in danger of being lynched... or he's doing some weird gambit (Don't try to tell me you seriously just got a super town read on her from confirmation posts.) and that's even worse. Ignore me also violating this last game during D2 (;_;), I was in a different state (geography wise) and not thinking right, not that I think right normally but.

tl;dr : "I've got some super cool reason to know that Shadoweh is totally town, that only I know about! What should I do?" The answer is not "Tell everyone that I know Shadoweh is town for secret reasons as soon as the confirmation phase ends." This is not productive at all. I cannot think of a single reason why it would be. It's possibly even anti-productive. Okay I could keep going but I'm going to stop ranting now, the longer I go the more likely it is I'll start saying things that make less and less sense.

Ihavenoname, Dr.Rawr, ShadyK, and Anthy are all I -think- pretty new to mafia and as such probably unreadable to me for awhile (I hear Noname is obvtown but I don't have the attention span to evaluate this anymore, maybe after a good night's rest). That's... a significant chunk of the player list, which makes me sadface. Hopefully their derp will be readable by late D2 like Rawr was last game!

Blurgh I've been so distracted by this stuff that I haven't paid enough attention to actually trying to read the other half of the playerlist. On PX, he lurks all the time forever so oh well. Admittedly though, I can only recall games where he was scum. ICE, Dormio, Dan, Shadoweh, are all people who've posted enough that I should be able to make some sort of opinion! Hrm. That leaves Affinity and HW as people who need to post because they haven't in a long time. Right, so, rereading those other four.

Dorm seems fine enough at the moment. So does Shadoweh! I think ICE is actually my first real town read though, even with his incredibly unfamiliar playstyle, and then iunno how I feel about Dan. Need to come back to that later when I can think again.

Oh HW cut me. I'll read it indepth when my mafia drive is less shot out. That just leaves Affinity to jump in and exist! And PX too, even if I'm not sure I can honestly expect he will. 

oh wait I have a vote and it's supposed to go somewhere uhhh

##unvote
##Vote PX

He really doesn't have more then a list to his name, after all. He can totes still look way better as long as he gives real contributions soon though. I'm fine with my vote being on him right now as my brain manages to work up towards having actual opinions on people.