Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)

[Decade]

What about Krabs makes you feel he's Town?

This is the point where Scum would realize they are talking to much and shut up.
This is the point where town realizes they are talking to much and shut up.
Notice how much closer Mr. Krabs is to the later than the former.

Barney is the worse vote on the wagon so far. It seems logically sound on the outside, but the case is an attempt to spin bad play as something only scum is capable of, and accusing Mr. Krabs as not having a reason to suspect Captain Li. I don't agree it was a good reason, but it was a reason that he had, and that he believed others could see.

##Unvote: Captain Li
##Vote: Barney

I'm also weary of Mr. Gilgamesh for similar sounding reasons.

how easy would it to be to get a scumbuddy to comment on "Li's logic and contadictions".

I'm sure if Mr. Krabs was scum, he would have had a much easier time of it than he does in this game.

[Kick Hopper]

Dealt with some shit recently.  The least of which was a mouse infestation.  Have you ever seen a cat catch multiple mice and eat their heads and brains?  It's slightly disturbing.

I don't get Bo Peep here. What about Krabs makes you feel he's Town?

I do!  Krabs looks townie to me too.  Krabs thought he caught something that would be a slam dunk scum nailed case.  The presentation for the case fits into my townies-are-weird.jpg file on my hard drive, since it's hard for me to imagine how playing along was going to help trap !scum Li.  I have had a similar experience before where I tried to do use quote wars to "expose" a logical contradiction and profess to the world that the perpetrator had to be scum for misreps (yadda yadda).

Krabs! have you considered that both of Li's statements might make sense if Scum is capable of BOTH imitating others as well as making good logical points?  These are not mutually exclusive, not even in the same scum!  I am not at all convinced by what you quoted.  I think you are town, but try to look at everybody here in a different light other than :logic error:.  Is Li scummy in any other way to you?

My strongest town read is the strongest man here, Duffman, and I suspect that is also Bo peep's strongest town read as well.   

##Unvote

The reason why I was especially wary of Merryweather's  posts started from this.

-could be a repeat of Go Planet from last game.

I pretty much crumbed it in the confirmation phase with earth and [fire].   I had thought Merryweather was aware of this and was disturbed by her attempts that to me looked like she was flushing my role out of me.   Li and DuffBeer did not have that same level emphasis on anything role-related, and I could understand where Li was coming from.  (DuffBeer not so much)

After a reread, Merry's posts are not as geared into spinning things scumily as I orginally thought, although I still remain wary.  Additionally, the fact that she was under the impression the whole time that GOPLANET was a 3rd party role AND using that to judge me makes me realize that she was colored the whole time.  It also makes me quite angry.

Also when I said that Merryweather looked townie, it did not mean a town read in context.   At that point I thought Merry had plenty of ~townie logic~ but was using it as part of a scum agenda.

Verdict.  Merry is someone who I am wary of and don't have a solid read on.

(Btw, calling out DuffBeer on his Eat: Gold ONLY is because there should be no reason to post it while bolding a question to the mod asking why it did nothing)

I have little time left to post, but I shall blatantly sheep to Duffman here.

##Vote Mandarin Orange
Because I agree with the case after rereading Orange's 2 posts carefully.

Gil is a close 2nd.  The krabs vote feels absolutely unnatural.

[W]

YOU ALL SAW NOTHING. DUFFMAN IS INFALLIBLE.

Duffman is going to post again after he MAKES IT THROUGH ALL THIS NOISE!
Duffman sees a page of pointless badgering. This line of logic is exactly why Duffman refused to argue with Mr. Krabs in the first place. Duffman knows there is no logic there except for a cold Duff Beer! You've proven that Krabs's reasoning is awkward and hard to understand, but it's obvious he thinks he's being quite clever and catching someone doing some scummy shit. He's town this is noise and let's find someone actually being scum. YEAH ORANGE VOTE BROFISTS!

[DiEnd]

So you're a sheep that flipped out on something I was unaware of.  The Bo Peep comment was a bit uncalled for but good to know.
##Unvote:

Barney's 115 makes my stomach churn mostly because of this:

Let's look at the town perspective: Krabs has a little debate with Li before unvoting, and voting for an easy pick, both done with iffy reasoning. He then waits a few posts and claims that it was all a show, while "revealing" his case on Li which he has still yet to explain clearly. Nothing of worth has happened between these posts. Why would town!Krabs do this? I'm honestly not seeing any other option but his being wary of Li's accusation, which town!Krabs shouldn't have been wary of. Meanwhile, scum!Krabs makes a lot more sense -  being overdefensive resulting in an ill-thought change of votes, which is followed by an attempt to cover for the mistake. Am I the only one seeing this? I was pondering a lot about this but now I can't see it any other way.

Forcing there to only be one reason for a townie to do anything is rebleepin'diculous. Townies are strange and do all manner of things. Krabs has done bad play and you have spun this into an "OMG town wouldn't do this, must be scum."  You really can't see any other reason for a townie to do this?

I also don't buy your cheerlead without a vote because I also see this as testing the waters for if you were going to get townie support on your wagon.
##Vote: Barney

Krabs is not the epitome of town though I will not support his lynch today.

Gilgamesh makes me want to punch him in the grape, though until he posts again I'm filling that as null.

The orange fruit of doom:
When my sisters and I look at his stuff it's like:
Good graciousness!  Who left the stream of consciousness running?
I don't buy the logic in his 119 that scum would blatantly talk and make such connections to each other by explaining each other's cases.
I think he's misrepping Mr. K in that the quote is "what scum would and wouldn't do" and is really just, scum can act townie but Mr K missed it and ran with it.  The fact that his Li suspicion just flew out the window just makes him worse.
I can get behind this lynch.

[Den-O]

The first fifty posts parsed. The only things I dislike is Duff Beer's hop on Alpha 60.

The first one hundred posts parsed.  Suddenly Alpha 60 claims Sana Spice. What is this. Why did you succumb to Mr. Krabs so easily? And I pray you plan on using your escape ability if you have one. I want you playing for Town, not an individual win con. At Mr Krabs' post number fifty two, why can everyone not look town? Do people have to look scum? Also, try reading and coming up with your own stuff instead of repeating what people are saying. I... what in the bloody... *Restarting* Mr. Krabs has just caused a major malfunction in my logic unit. Why are you suddenly throwing away your read on Duff Beer? What has he possibly done that could change your read. And you suddenly change around votes when the people you vote haven't posted. Why? Why am I leaning scum to you? And why are you attempting to make town go on a wild goose chase to find reasons on why Mr. Li Shang is scummy to you?

The rest of the posts will have to wait warmly while I still cool down from that reboot. I still do not like Mandarin Orange, and Mr. Duffman expresses my thoughts in more words. Mr. Krabs is insanely silly and shows signs of Appeasement, Randomly changing scum reads around without rhyme or reason, and Following other people's words, which all show signs of being Scum. Vote change awaits after parsing the rest of the thread.

##Standby Mode

[Den-O]

Addendum to the last post:

Gilgamesh is having flavor interrupt the meaning of his post, so it is hard to parse. Even so, it says very little and might as well be an RVS post. He goes on my not town list. Everybody else is parsed as Town.

[Faiz]

##Pass Blue Bo Peep
##Pass Red Duffman
##Eat Black

DuffBeer, at the time of your vote for me, could you tell me your thought process?  Otherwise your original vote of me and your unvote now looks like a disconnect without explanation.

"Alpha 60's questionnaire looks annoying and I don't really see what town motivated purpose it serves." However, on that note, there was no real scum motivation either, other than making noise, and therefore I decided to vote for you for making noise. I also got cut by #32 when I was posting, which looked a lot better since it seemed like a push towards actual discussion.

Why Duff Beer dislikes the purple dinosaur:

• #96: Are you saying that the reasoning was invalid? Especially when, in the very next paragraph, you yourself say that you dislike Alpha 60 for the exact same reasons.
  
• #96: Random poke of Gilgamesh, doesn't ask for clarification, doesn't specify what part of Gilgamesh's post he doesn't understand. He just says "What the hell is Gilgamesh doing" and leaves it at that. We don't even know what he really thinks of Gilgamesh.
  
• #96: Makes a case on Mr. Krabs, but doesn't actually vote until #115, after 3 other people have already voted for him.
  The thing is that he drops everything to go after Mr. Krabs. He never mentioned Gilgamesh, Alpha 60, or myself again.

[Faiz]

And I almost forgot to ##Unvote ##Vote: Barney.

[W]

Double brofists to Alpha who said what Duffman thought instantly about Mr. Krabs before Duffman said anything.
Duffman can't find a good pic of BROFORCE. Pretend it is posted RIGHT HERE.
Duffman is still not feeling righteous about the Mandarin. You just don't feel right dude. Duffman explained why it isn't just gut. Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Or talk to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened. Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.

Duffman forgot about Bo Peep. Sorry babe, you know there's always room on this arm for more of Duffman's hot ladies. Bo Peep is talking the same sense Duffman likes out of everyone else. Duffman isn't as convinced about this radical dinosaur. What makes him worse then the other five people cheerleading Krabs? Like that Orange dude.

Duffman thinks lead by emotion is a pretty funny thing to be accused of. How is that scummy exactly? LISTEN TO YOUR HEART AND IT WILL LEAD YOU TO THE DUFFLAND. Duffman sees Gilgamesh as a harmless little puppy. Nonesense, but Duffman is too busy being BUFF for nonsense!

Bardiche on the other hand Duffman is not cool with at a glance. Duffman is going to a kegger so he'll wait to see what Bardiche comes up with before he swings that sucker. Duffman thinks the parts he doesn't like are obvious to anyone reading Duffman. You are all reading Duffman aren't you? THAT'S RIGHT CHECK THESE BICEPS OH YEAH!

Beer Buddy don't just swing for the possible wagons. Do you really only see people already suspected as scum right now?

[Faiz]

Why Duff Beer also dislikes Bo Peep:
#113: I feel like Bo Peep is being overdefensive of Mr. Krabs here. She attacks Li Shang for going after Mr. Krabs in #79, then says that she believes that Mr. Krabs in town at the beginning of #113. That much is understandable but I really dislike the end paragraph. This continues in #120. The thing here is that Bo Peep spends more time defending Mr. Krabs than making a case on Barney, the person she's voting for.

[DiEnd]

Bardiche, where is your Standby Button located so I can break it off and force you to make a vote when there's 24 hours left in the day.

[Kaku Seiga]

> Bardiche

> Bardiche

> Bardiche

You guys are driving me nuts, can we lynch Bardiche for my sanity?

I rather get where everyone's coming from on Krabs, but I don't think it's pro-town to let others make your case for you or flip-flop around as he does, especially when he has the audacity to claim he's Townie because someone else said "Town don't care about how others view them"; it's acting out someone else's claim of Town meta and then claiming they're Town because of it, and I continue to find it shoddy.

But alright, I'm willing to look past that. No problem, if people don't see that point there's little else I can hold against Krabs.

##Unvote

Gilgamesh and Barney annoy me if only because I find it difficult to decide where my vote should go. Other than calling people mongrels, Gilgamesh hasn't done much, let alone make a case. In terms of being helpful, he scores a -9 on a scale of 1 to 10. Barney is being at least a little helpful, but he's been cheering on the Krabs bandwagon for a bit before jumping onto it when it looked like that it'd stick.

Sadly, it doesn't.

I'm going to say I find Barney worse right now, if not only that Gilgamesh has sufficiently convinced me that he's useless weight beyond all recognition and I don't think voting him will accomplish much. The case on him is that he's a useless piece of waste; I'd be all for lynching him if nothing scummy pops up.

##Vote: Barney

So who's scummiest beside Krabs, Barney? 30 hours into the game and you cheerleaded, stalled and bandwagon hopped.

[W]

Duffman changed his mind. Duffman isn't cool with this Barney wagon. It feels like we're jumping on someone for no reason other then because they weren't here to contribute. Duffman isn't impressed with content but Duffman doesn't like easy targets. Duffman wants to hear better reasons from everyone for this wagon if it sticks until the end of the day.

Day End at 23 hours and counting.

[DiEnd]

Does it now. The purple Dino hasn't responded to what I felt was a solid case made by mwah.

Aside from borrowing my reason on the Orange about scum linking, please tell us why you think he's the supreme evil and why we shouldn't lynch Barney.

[DiEnd]

Not responding means I'm holding the scummy reasons to him until he explains them.

[Serela]

>V-V-V-Votecount! Just 'cause.

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (3): Duffman, Bardiche, Alpha60
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (1): Kanji Watanabe
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (4): Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh, Barney
Barney (4): Bo Peep, Merryweather, Duff Beer, Saki Morimi
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not Voting: Mandarin Orange

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mr.Krabs and Barney are at L-4.

23~ hours left in the day. No Majority means No Lynch. I will return about 6 hours before deadline, cannot guarantee any earlier then that. 
Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline

[DiEnd]

Mod: How long are we waiting on Megaman before you know, something happens?

[W]

Aside from borrowing my reason on the Orange about scum linking, please tell us why you think he's the supreme evil and why we shouldn't lynch Barney.

Excuse me? Who's borrowing whose reasoning now? Duffman has been pushing the Orange this entire day. If anyone could possibly be borrowing reasoning in this conversation it would be you. Duffman hasn't really been reading your posts anyways! Duffman doesn't need to look at his waifus!

Why are there still votes on Mr. Krabs?

[W]

Duffman was so annoyed he forgot to answer the question. I don't have a solid reason your logic searching will accept. It simply feels fast and easy.

[DiEnd]

What?

I don't buy the logic in his 119 that scum would blatantly talk and make such connections to each other by explaining each other's cases.

Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Or talk to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened. Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.

Tell me that isn't the same point on Orange with just more ~words~

That you immediately threw out an excuse along with the claim bothers me.  I mean you've read me enough to know I asked you a question. 

[OOO]

Sorry, got lost in the internet again. Why does this place keep changing every game or two, anyway?

##Unvote. Lynching malfunctioning programs isn't the point of the game. Krabs just honestly reads more as wrong and playing badly than actually scummy.

I'd prefer to see Barney lynched today. Cheerleading an easy wagon doesn't exactly sit well with me, and he's not even made any attempts to dissuade that. At that, for wanting to get a 'read on players', I can't see any real reads other than 'Krubs is scum, also I suspected some other people but that hasn't changed'. It seems like he hadn't even done any work, and if he didn't spend that time scumhunting, I can't imagine he's actually town.

Other than that, I'm kind of disliking Duffman. In general Bo Peep and Alpha playing KRABS FENCE REMOVAL FORCE kind of irritates me, even if I understand why they explained what they were thinking, Duffman trying to slide into the group afterwards feels off somehow. On top of that, his weird 'gut' vote on Mandarin for... what again? and constant sayings of 'I've already said this ARE YOU READING ME' drive my head and circles and only seem to be made to confuse. It's more an off feeling than an actual scumread, but he gets a frowny sticker for it.

Bardiche gets a frowny face, but I may remove that if he would get to finishing reading things. He's actually been at this longer than I have, apparently.

Gilgamesh gets a target sticker for being completely and utterly useless. I'd honestly like him gone, but it's completely correct that we'd get nothing out of it. So instead I will ask him to kindly stop trying to act in-character and fucking -contribute something-.

Everyone else gets smiley stickers for not making my head hurt more than it already has. Merryweather gets a bottle of wine as an apology for my terrible sleeping habits.

##Vote: Barney

[Den-O]

All posts parsed.

At Ms. Bo Peep's post one hundred and twenty, I do not accept that as a reasonable clear for Mr. Krabs, as that falls under Logical Fallacy.

I express dislike at Mr. Krabs, but I can not make a clear analysis of him. Mr. Krabs claims to jump on the easy wagon because he was under pressure. This is akin to claiming scum behavior, but this seems too silly to be scum. As such, I am rebooting my logic on him and leaving him for later.

Mandarin Orange's third post does not impress me. I do not even understand what you are trying to get at with your Mr. Krabs comments. Are you cheerleading the wagon or are you defending Mr. Krabs? Who do you think is scum? Why do you not have a vote? Are you going to be useful? My vote stays here.

My opinion of Barney is summarized by Duff Beer's post number one hundred and twenty six, and there is not really much more that can be added from that. I however, will leave my vote on Mandarin Orange because I do not want him to disappear today.

Gilgamesh may get thrown in a pile of junk. Focusing on him would be pointless.

Everybody else I would put as the Town/Sense Making/Not posting list.

Cut by Megaman.EXE, but I shall just label him in the "Jump the Barney Wagon" group. How do you feel about Mr. Krabs and Mandarin Orange?

[W]

That's what I thought. Looking badly at Duffman because he doesn't like your sudden lynch plan? Who the hell do you think I am?! Duffman doesn't like your tone. His point is you're implying that's the first or only thing he's ever said about the Orange, and that without that one line of reasoning the chase is invalid. It isn't and it's not. Duffman found your fight with Alpha bad enough. Town will not survive again if we can't stick together and look for the scum where they are. Duffman thinks people dislike how he's cockblocking them from all their lynches based on annoying play. Duffman doesn't care what it takes to pull this town in line. Duffman wants a lynch with meaning instead of a lynch filled with random bandwagon hoppers.

I will try not to hold against Megaman how many of his opinions are parroting since it's late in the day. Still, I think his thoughts are a mirror of Merryweather. He'll have to show Duffman where he's "constantly" said something that happened in one post or Duffman will crush his misrepresenting head.

[Punch Hopper]

Regrettably, I will probably not be around tomorrow until a few hours before deadline. The huns are approaching, so I intend to take the time to prepare my men.

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The orange wagon looks weird, in a way that I'm surprised it even exists. I think that the fruit has been succinct with his opinions, not scummy with them. I get a town feeling from him overall, though, I do believe he could try to explain how his previous stances have changed more. I will refrain from commenting on my opinion of his lack of a vote for now, but I do think he should definitely attempt to place one in his next post if possible. Regardless, none of the votes against him have me "sold" on the case.

I am having trouble following the Barney case. I thought his conclusions were logical and that his lack of a vote was mainly caused by him being in the middle of reading the thread rather than being scum fishing for support or whatever. I get the impression that people are making a mountain out of a molehill in regards to him, and his wagon's growth is unnerving to me.

Mr. Krabs is the only wagon I prefer right now. I felt like he attacked me in an attempt to discredit my vote rather than because he thought he found a slam-dunk case, though this view may possibly be tainted by knowledge of my own alignment. Why did Saki jump off of him while claiming that people "don't see the case" when the Krabs wagon clearly still had support? This confuses me.

[Punch Hopper]

By the way, Duff Beer worries me now, though not enough that I would vote him over Mr. Krabs. The way he comes to his conclusions seems unnatural to me, in that I do not feel that Barney "dropped everything" to go after Mr. Krabs so much as that he just spent time elaborating on his main suspect after finishing his re-read. It seems odd that Duff Beer would use this as what appears to be the crux of his case, and I get the impression that he was digging up dirt on the prehistoric beast rather than backing up his opinion. #129 is associative tells without flips and I do not see how Bo Peep is suspicious for defending a town read of hers. The alcoholic drink should return to explain this and make it clear why Barney is scum from his point of view.

[DiEnd]

What in the mother fuck?

Hell has frozen over as Megaman posts.

Duffman that's not what I'm saying at all. You aren't cockblocking me from my lynch because Barney is the scums and you haven't told me why he's town or why the fruit is worse. So I'm stayin here thank you very much.

You tacked my initial reasoning onto your case with no mention of me besides the excuse that "I'm not reading her posts anyway" hi expecting what was coming next.  It's like you were anticipating me to call you out on taking it yet wave it away at the same thine.
You have your orange case but I feel my Barney one is better.  I'm not looking badly at you for my "sudden lynch plan" where are you pulling this from. I just felt you were strange for that retort to you know copying.

Li wants me to punch him in the face too.  Besides the whole leaving all day thing, are you correctly pharseing the Barney case?  I consists of more than just the not voting thing.
You do bring up an interesting point regarding Saki to Barney and Krabs though which should be looked into when either of them flip.


Regarding the speed of the Barney wagon, I feel it's possible for scum to gain quick wagons from nowhere as what's commonly believed to be a town only thing. I've seen it before, hell PX from last game did this day one. Scum can early bus him as well which is why the quick wagon thing isn't bothering me as much as you feel.

[Punch Hopper]

I parsed it, I just disagree with your point. He seems to be narrow-minded, but I don't think that this alone means anything about his intentions.

[Punch Hopper]

Also, the way that the Barney wagon's growth unnerves me is not because of speed, but rather because I do not agree with the logic behind it and the support for it seems more like people (like Duff Beer) are just latching onto it.

[W]

Duffman thinks they're different situations. Duffman is sorry he got all wiggy on his waifu. Duffman promises to hold and protect her as long as that other lady doesn't come by oh baby what's YOUR name? ..Where was I..

Oh right, Barney. Duffman can't tell you why Barney is town. Duffman isn't that close to dinosaurs! Only that for someone who could be lurking scum he sure got alot of attention fast. Barney needs to do the talking at this point. You just have to be willing to listen. He should claim when he gets here. Maybe then Duffman can make his orange juice.

[Sasword]

Duffman is still not feeling righteous about the Mandarin.  Duffman explained why it isn't just gut. Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened.

Merry and you both make this point and it's viable, but so is scum actively working together, which is why it's futile to theorize what scum is doing.

Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.

Exactly, which means that since no one was helping him with his case, I think he's a solo act.

What makes him worse then the other five people cheerleading Krabs? Like that Orange dude.

Which means I wasn't cheerleading, because I think Krabs is town; even if I don't think much of his "logic and contradictions" case, he remains logically consistent to himself in an iso-read.

Krabs explains this by claiming he was going for Li all along and that he changed votes to Bardiche only because he was "playing along". I didn't buy this earlier, and I don't buy this now. Let's look at the town perspective: Krabs has a little debate with Li before unvoting, and voting for an easy pick, both done with iffy reasoning. He then waits a few posts and claims that it was all a show, while "revealing" his case on Li which he has still yet to explain clearly. Nothing of worth has happened between these posts. Why would town!Krabs do this? I'm honestly not seeing any other option but his being wary of Li's accusation, which town!Krabs shouldn't have been wary of. Meanwhile, scum!Krabs makes a lot more sense -  being overdefensive resulting in an ill-thought change of votes, which is followed by an attempt to cover for the mistake. Am I the only one seeing this? I was pondering a lot about this but now I can't see it any other way.

TownKrabs could do this because he was suspicious of Li (like most townies are of people that are not them) and see if he could get a scummy reaction, which Krabs seems to think he found.  I don't have the ability to read into motives, and the way you're shoehorning Krabs is not something I can follow.

People that seem genuine: Merry, Alpha, Duffman, Krabs.  Unsure: Saki, Kanji, Bo, Bard, Beer.  People I'm watching: Megaman, Li, Barney, Gil

Cut by Li, interesting I'll look into this. Also, vote now, uh.. Barney over Krabs, puts him at L-2.
##Vote: Barney