Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 106237 times)

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #270 on: October 08, 2011, 08:50:33 PM »
Bardiche, I'm trying to lynch scum here, not lackluster posts.  PX isn't absolved, and I think he is scummier than everybody besides Pesco, Dormio, and Hero.  Question to Bard.  If PX were to flip town, what would your reaction be?

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #271 on: October 08, 2011, 08:52:32 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Schezo (0):
Serela (0):
ActionDan (5): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba
PX (3): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche
Hero999 (3): Schezo, huh what, ActionDan
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting: Serela, BT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~5 hours (watch countdown)

ActionDan is at L-2
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #272 on: October 08, 2011, 08:55:57 PM »
The reason I failed to understand 'consolidate' correctly is not because I was speed-reading, but because English is my second language and I thought that was another word for 'disappear' for whatever reason.

Dan, if prepping a Pesco case is your main concern, why are you making a counterwagon out of one of Hero/PX? If you believe it will convince us that he is, in fact, obvscum, the counterwagon is completely unneeded, and for the sake of momentary survival all you had to do was, well, ask for momentary survival. "Don't get majority on me until I'm done posting this" or something like that. And if you think whatever you're tying to post now WON'T lead to a Pesco lynch, shouldn't your focus be on making a better Hero case? This split-focus confuses me.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #273 on: October 08, 2011, 09:00:10 PM »
Honestly the cases that have been built on Dan and the current actions he's been taking to find his so called Obv scum Pesco and that he thinks PX is town and doesn't want to drop him as a scum suspect.

Still not seeing where the clears of Hero are coming from and he's still my preferred lynch but I will vote Dan over PX. I'm seeing mislynch PX, not scum PX.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #274 on: October 08, 2011, 09:09:24 PM »
Bardiche, I'm trying to lynch scum here, not lackluster posts.  PX isn't absolved, and I think he is scummier than everybody besides Pesco, Dormio, and Hero.  Question to Bard.  If PX were to flip town, what would your reaction be?

This question is stupid and I deign not to respond. Why? Because you can't tell beforehand how you'll act to unlikely event X.

By lackluster posts, I mean there is NOTHING in them that evidences even a tiny shred of scumhunting, reasoning or even trying to help Town catch the damn scums. Remember Huh Whatty warning about coasting players? Well, here we have one.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #275 on: October 08, 2011, 09:32:53 PM »
Pesco has not contributed to town in the way he thinks.

Pesco's FPMH vote on Schezo for hios "fluff" post was fine.  Schezo made a bad post, Schezo got punished.  Pesco was the not the only one to see this of course, with HW and Omba launching an attack for the same reasons.  Pesco can claim responsibility for discussion around Schezo and for reactions associated with it all he wants, but that doesn't change the fact that Pesco's power is limited to a vote + Pesco's own words.  It's simply causality that people other than Pesco attacked Schezo and that Schezo himself developed various reads.  What is actually important is what Pesco's own participation in the conversation entailed.  And looking back at Pesco's posts during that time, it should be quite clear Pesco didn't do a whole lot of anything, either in reads of people, or in content.

#137 attempts to link up with the Omba/Schezo discussion.  While both have given a good amount of content, Pesco is only willing to cherry pick from these posts without giving substantial opinions on what he thinks is scummy.  Quoting selections of text and offering up small prods is interpreted by me as scum coasting.  For example, here's a comment about Schezo's vote on Omba.
"You'd have to do better than that if you want to OMGUS. Put Omba aside for a moment and tell me about Dan and PX."
Whilst discrediting it as OMGUS, you don't quite say if it's scummy.  At this point Schezo had already made a post about me and PX, and considering PX hadn't posted again, and you didn't ask Schezo anything specifically about me or PX, I see why you are holding back here.  This is scum stalling the day and pretending to be useful.

Where are your reads already?  It's a lovely thing to prod people.  But I don't think you've made anything out of it. 

This has been a long time coming.  And it only comes after people have solidified their reads of Schezo (mostly as town Schezo) and after a few people have voted me.  You waited to see what would fly and only gave these measly reads once after you felt comfortable that they would conform to popular opinion that no one would take a 2nd glance.  I had already called you on keeping my case in the backround as well.

Flipped my Shit.  You had a stronger case for me being scum than whatever your vote for Schezo implied, so saying that in ISO my votepost for PX could be interpreted as a OMGUS and forgetting your case against constructed FORM THAT VERY POST is not just a mistake, its scummy as all get-out.  It tells me that you must not have felt that strong about it, since you forgot about it.  Secondly, your presenting an argument to town based on a falsehood is scummy for misrepping.  You brush that off saying "w/e town can go back and read," but obviously town isn't going to do that so readily and catch your mistake.  Furthermore if you are happy with saying my vote on Dormio feels like OMGUS, you should be able to agree with Dormio's case.  You haven't commented on Dormio's case at all.  I thought Dormio's case was garbage.  I don't think you bothered to read why, or else you'd have something more to say about it.

Dormio has yet to answer my questions from my votepost of him.   Dormio is getting away with murder.

Pesco's case on me is "specious voting analysis" whilst discrediting my content as parroting or shit-flinging.  And the fact that more people voting me means I'm cornered scum, which is patently stupid.



Don't lynch me.

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #276 on: October 08, 2011, 09:35:42 PM »
I was sorta waiting on PX to come and answer my questions

but it's getting kind of late and he still hasn't appeared

Dan is like, definitely not getting my vote today. And with PX's continued nonexistence that keep him from fixing any of his shortcomings I'd much rather vote him then Hero.

##Vote:PX
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ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #277 on: October 08, 2011, 09:38:01 PM »
That case is riddled with grammar mistakes, but I don't have time to edit.  My match starts in about half an hour. 
>votecount
I would vote the most viable not-me wagon but I don't even know which it is, since Bard and Schezo both have stated they are ok with my lynch if not PX or Hero respectively.

Considering they won't switch to the opposite counter-wagon to me, this annoys me greatly.

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #278 on: October 08, 2011, 09:39:10 PM »
Thank you serela for stepping in. 

##Unvote
##Vote PX


Don't lynch me.

Kitten4u

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #279 on: October 08, 2011, 09:43:04 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Schezo (0):
Serela (0):
ActionDan (5): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba
PX (5): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche, Serela, ActionDan
Hero999 (2): Schezo, huh what
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting: BT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~4 hours (watch countdown)

ActionDan is at L-2
PX is at L-2
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #280 on: October 08, 2011, 09:44:59 PM »
Things before I go. 

Schezo=town, Hw=town, Omba=town, Job is better than neutral = town.  Shadoweh sounds weird, like ITP weird.  Bard slightly better than neutral, because these last few votes playing with wagons make my head explode and don't seem compatible with his dislike of Dormio when Dormio hate came from a vote on me that by his lack of presence, one that Dormio will not retract. Even if this is not how it works, I could give a shit.

 

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #281 on: October 08, 2011, 09:47:24 PM »
Dormio and PX, you need to talk.

Pesco's "lol you think there is 3 scum?" is fucking scummy.  LIKE WTF SCUMMY LYNCH NOW scummy!

Don't lynch me.

Bardiche

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #282 on: October 08, 2011, 09:49:02 PM »
My dislike of Dormio came and comes from tunneling and then voting someone else for tunneling and refusing to look at other people. Don't try to twist it into something else now.


How is Pesco's "lol you think there is 3 scum?" fucking scummy?

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #283 on: October 08, 2011, 09:49:43 PM »
BT, town hardens there hearts late in the day and a Pesco lynch would at this point be asking the impossible. 

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #284 on: October 08, 2011, 09:52:56 PM »
Pesco's post is unnecessary mudslinging.  Think about it.

Btw Bard.  Why are you hunky dory with Pesco clearing PX, but when I so much as mention the possibility, you get agitated.

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #285 on: October 08, 2011, 09:56:09 PM »
I understand your Dislike of Dormio.  I'm not twisting anything.  It's simply unnatural to be willing to switch to me when BOTH your main suspects are voting me.  Even if you tell me mafiers doesn't work like this, EVERYONE gets this feeling.

Don't lynch me.

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #286 on: October 08, 2011, 09:57:14 PM »
I think Dan and Pesco are just two townies with opposing viewpoints. Dan is probably more tunneled than Pesco, though, given the post that "EVERYTHING PESCO DOES IS SCUMMY" he just ninja'd me with. I don't think that Pesco was mudslinging at all and find it more likely that Dan is just super biased.

That said, people who claim Dan is bad for voting Hero over PX fail to realize that scum!Dan had no absolutely no reason to vote Hero instead of jumping straight to the PX wagon, given that it would have been easier to attack PX from his vantage point while adding numbers to the wagon with a larger chance of growing to boot. I'm actually reading the maneuver as slightly town, because I can't find any scum intent in it unless scum!Dan just wanted to waste time (which is kind of a stretch and only seems like it would serve to draw more suspicion to him).

Any objections to me putting PX at L-1 now that the Hero wagon seems to have dissipated completely? I personally feel shifty about the way his wagon grew but do not have the townie read on him that I have on Dan. I don't think I need to explain why his content has been rather lackluster.

Speaking of the Hero wagon, I'm irritated with Serela still for ignoring it completely.

ActionDan

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #287 on: October 08, 2011, 09:57:56 PM »
Pesco, what were you holding back about Schezo voting Villian.  YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR FEELING! You just went Schezo is town, I was pressureing him.

I g2g.

Don't lynch me.

Pesco

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #288 on: October 08, 2011, 10:06:33 PM »
Thank you serela for stepping in. 

##Unvote
##Vote PX

Looks like you don't care who gets lynched when you do stuff like this. Everyone who's attacked you is scum and everyone who doesn't is town. Way to be pro-town right there ::)

Pesco, what were you holding back about Schezo voting Villian.  YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR FEELING! You just went Schezo is town, I was pressureing him.

Schezo was no longer being outstandingly scummy. But even if I was starting to doubt, there's no need for me to show it when there was still time and pressure to make him react some more.

Any objections to me putting PX at L-1 now that the Hero wagon seems to have dissipated completely? I personally feel shifty about the way his wagon grew but do not have the townie read on him that I have on Dan. I don't think I need to explain why his content has been rather lackluster.

I object to you not voting Dan to L-1.

Dormio Ergo Sum

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #289 on: October 08, 2011, 10:42:04 PM »
Play DotA until 2am. Wake up at 6am and proceed to be unable to see anything as it's freaking blurry for the next couple of hours.

I really am not sure what to say here.  Your posts conveys only what I've said or done, and not why it's scummy.   Dormio, what do you think of the people I called town, especially Schezo?  Do you find good reasons to not consider them town? Or is me calling people town scummy in and of itself?  This is what is not clear to me in your case.
Huh, don't know how I missed that.
Anyway, I don't care about who you think is town, it's who you think is scum that is far more interesting and important.

Also, after having skimmed over whatever happened after I went to sleep, it kind of feels like Dan is just doing anything to try to save himself.
#267: You're making a Pesco case. Does that mean you think that Pesco is scum? Why do you feel the need to make this case right at the end of the day? Since the last thing you referenced was from like almost 24 hours (19 hours) before your big case, why couldn't you have made it a lot earlier?
I dunno, tired.

Omba

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #290 on: October 08, 2011, 10:43:48 PM »
BT: You had enough time to think, got your reaction from Dan and everything. Decide whom you want to lynch now.

Kitten4u

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #291 on: October 08, 2011, 10:44:03 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Schezo (0):
Serela (0):
ActionDan (5): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba
PX (5): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche, Serela, ActionDan
Hero999 (2): Schezo, huh what
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting: BT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~3 hours (watch countdown)

ActionDan is at L-2
PX is at L-2
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

DA|Tumblr

BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #292 on: October 08, 2011, 10:52:27 PM »
Omba: If you're worrying because I might leave at any second-- I'm not. I'm actually waiting for PX to get on, and I should stay online for at least another hour or so.

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #293 on: October 08, 2011, 10:56:55 PM »
Been trying to re-read but my brain is dying on me.

I now find Hero even worse. Taking another look at Dan's #94 gives me the impression that Dan's line about Pesco was more intended as a question for Pesco rather than an attack on him, and yet Hero has been blowing an apparent misunderstanding of Pesco's content out of proportion as a point against Dan without actually explaining how it's scummy. Blargh. This is reinforcing my belief that Hero is voting the player whose points he can counteract rather than voting the player who is scum.

Ugh why did Omba drop Hero for no apparent reason.

The gist of what I got from reading everything again is that both of our current wagons seem really shifty to me now. Feels like we're lynching two bad townies, though I'd still argue that Dan is the better of the two. The nature of the wagons makes me think that Dan's is more likely to be a scum push because he's been the guy people just agree to be scummy on the side so they can voteswitch to him later and that bugs me. PX's wagon looks a lot less calculated, which coincides with the overall unruly nature of town. I'm more comfortable seeing him go, though I think this has devolved to the point where it's a total crapshoot either way.

##Unvote
##Vote PX (L-1)

BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #294 on: October 08, 2011, 11:51:49 PM »
There's a reason I wanted PX to say his stuff: I'm currently leaning towards a PX lynch, and I wanted to hear him out, but he's been online for ample time now and I'm not seeing anything. Now, I've been in this kind of scenario before, where a suspect spouts irrelevant info out of possible panic and before likely demise. This could be one of two things: a townie trying to share his suspicions/what he thinks is important info with the rest of the town, or scum trying to mislead the town in order to survive. I know it's in order to survive because, if he DOES die, the town would automatically discard any of his prior cases, making this a waste. And, if this really is the case, Dan went for Hero and not PX, even though I think PX was the more suspected of the two at the time (I think he had one vote more on him, as well), so this could also mean that PX is scum. If it's the former, though (the panicked town), I've been in this scenario before. And the former is usually the case.

It is now ten minutes before 2:00 AM. Unless I see a plea from PX to convince me otherwise in this time, I'm casting the final vote.

Shadoweh

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #295 on: October 08, 2011, 11:53:36 PM »
HEY d9on't you dare cut me, you know how hard it is to race buses to get home this early? -.- We still have what, an hour?


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BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #296 on: October 08, 2011, 11:55:04 PM »
Yes, there's an hour left. So if someone else wants to vote PX, and PX doesn't respond yet, I have no problem letting him end it instead. In fact, it's preferred, for obvious reasons.

Kitten4u

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #297 on: October 08, 2011, 11:55:15 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Schezo (0):
Serela (0):
ActionDan (5): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba
PX (6): Shadoweh,  JOB, Bardiche, Serela, ActionDan, huh what
Hero999 (2): Schezo
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not Voting: BT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~2 hours (watch countdown)

ActionDan is at L-2
PX is at L-1
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

DA|Tumblr

BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #298 on: October 09, 2011, 12:04:56 AM »
I stand corrected.

Yeah, I'm leaving. For the people that really wanted to see my vote, it's too bad, since now I can't cast it. I made my opinion clear, though, which should be enough at this stage.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #299 on: October 09, 2011, 12:12:58 AM »
I hate you DotA, for ruining my life. What do I have, 2 hours left? Let me try to catch up???