Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)

[BT]

Like I *tried* saying earlier, I don't think there's enough content for me to have someone in mind. Might also be a result of not playing a lot of traditional mafia.

So no, I don't have anyone in mind. I'm up for the usual "make people talk and see if something happens" routine.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Stuff has happened though, you're still getting nothing from it?

[BT]

Nope.

[Kitten4u]

Dormio (1): Shadoweh
huh what (0):
BT (1): Dormio
Bardiche (0): Serela
Omba (0):
Pesco (1): ActionDan
Schezo (3): Pesco, huh what, PX
Serela (1): Hero999
ActionDan (0):
PX (2): JOB, Omba
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (2): Schezo, Bardiche

Not Voting: BT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~52 hours (watch countdown)

[ActionDan]

I like you Omba.
I like your vote too!

##Unvote
##Vote PX

PX feels like he rolled scum (again) finally.

Besides Omba, I feel alright with Huhwhat, but no where near as close as Omba. 

Not sure why Pesco attached the word "coasting" to his Schezo vote when Schezo made 2 posts, otherwise I comprehend the rest.  Huhwhat's use of the word is more suitable.

Making a note here:  Small associative tell between Pesco/Schezo; If one is scum I would clear the other.

 

[Pesco]

I like you Omba.
I like your vote too!

##Unvote
##Vote PX

PX feels like he rolled scum (again) finally.

Besides Omba, I feel alright with Huhwhat, but no where near as close as Omba. 

Not sure why Pesco attached the word "coasting" to his Schezo vote when Schezo made 2 posts, otherwise I comprehend the rest.  Huhwhat's use of the word is more suitable.

Making a note here:  Small associative tell between Pesco/Schezo; If one is scum I would clear the other.

This is a curious post. Omba made a good post to vote PX with, but you didn't. That you'd tack on 'PX feels like scum' instead of 'I agree with Omba because...' indicates much more of a opportunist behaviour here.

I consider Schezo coasting because he hasn't made a comment on the mod-confirmation debacle when he has been able to. What makes HW's use of it more suitable when I'm the one that introduced it? If I or Schezo flip scum, the other is clear. Pray tell what happens when one of us flips town? Auto-lynch the other?

In short your shit is too dry to stick when you fling it.

[Hero999]

##Unvote
##Vote Actiondan

I have extremely bad feelings when someone is buddying up with someone so quickly in the game.
(cough lambda cough UK cough)

Anything other then feelings? I do not like how you say you feel he rolled scum without any kind of explanation.
I also do not like how you believe Huhwhat's use of coasting to be much better then Pesco's use of coasting. Elaborate?
I also do not like your note. The fact that you will clear one person if the other flips is setting them up.

[Shadoweh]

What most people call WIFOM is just something confusing happening that they'd rather dismiss then consider. I forgive you for not wanting to trust me since you're town, Bardy.  <3 What do you think of Pescorz?
Thinking BT sounds a little confused to be scum.. pondering possible inexperience/uncommunicativeness of partner to counter-balance. Still coming up slightly towned. Just decide for yourself which of those possibilities you think is more likely, trust your gut and go from there.
There's something about Pesco's post that sends alarm bells ringing, but I'm not sure which part it is. Saying you want a policy lynch doesn't actually tell us what you think about the whole mess. 'Null tell' my behind. You didn't get a read off of anyone out of that? Demanding more mod conformation is just noise at this point. It makes you sound outraged and offended while not playing the game.
Hero999 sounds really frustrated that no one is understanding the point he's trying to get across. Cool, he's town too. Better change your name buddy.
Omba cut me with exactly my thoughts on PX's vote. Also probing and trying to ask genuine-feeling questions during the early phase. Townie here.
PX, do you really have nothing better to do then a lurker prod? You're one of the people dodging commenting by saying WIFOM and it doesn't sit right combined with a 'talk moar' vote.
Dormio.. this is giving me weird deja vu to MRM. Talking about Jerky and pudding. Do you think I suceeded in pushing us out of RVS? RVS banter is the kind of noise YOU were making. Do you think BT is my baby scum partner or are we likely apart? I will set you more nelly.

So, so far Bardiche, Hero999 and Omba are town, with a possible BT town. Pesco is getting the eye of suspicion, PX reads PX and Schezo doesn't exist. I'd say something about it being natural but Schezo should post again instead. Lynching a null-to-scum Lurker Day 1 would be just so ~novel~ I could get behind it if the people on him weren't making me twitch. Maybe that'll change. The day, she is still early. My vote, she screams to go where my GUT! feels something is out of place. Also I've been cut something like 21 times. SHUTUP ALL OF YOU.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pesco

[Pesco]

Sober up before you press post.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Dormio appears to be going for the easy attacks (newbieness, stuff that he can discredit as WIFOM) rather than trying to find scum intent, which doesn't look good to me. Additionally, he last line of Dan's post is quick to jump to conclusions and has some nasty implications of lining up lynches. The rest of his post didn't really bug me, but I'm wary of him.

I think PX is voting the "right" wagon for the wrong reasons, but I don't think he's scum.  Everyone else just seems silly. Want to hear Schezo post some content

pesco, while you're responding to Dan, what do you actually think about PX's Schezo vote itself?

[Pesco]

Votepark. But definitely not a bus.

[Bardiche]

Shit on a stick, captains, what the hell is going on here?

If I try to combine the logic with the gut I come up with "Scum seeing this as a good opporitunity to push a Shadoweh lynch without actually having to scumhunt".

Clearly I voted Shadoweh because I felt throwing in information, then sitting back and doing nothing with it was scummy. Pay attention, my vote on her isn't "Lol Shadoweh knows more OMG", it's "Shadoweh provides information and does jack shit with it". Why, again, is this lazy behaviour that doesn't express scumhunting, and why is it worse than "Schezo is coasting" (your words not mine)? (?･ω･`)

As far as "Schezo is coasting omg" goes, it's rather a null tell to me. The most blatant way to avoid saying anything about anything invites nothing but WIFOM, although I agree Schezo needs to produce content beyond dissing MoTK Town.

BT is fencesitting and he needs to come out and produce SOLID OPINIONS beyond just "well this COULD be the case". If Shadoweh was unsure of the numbers and yet claimed she was certain there are 2 scum, then she deserves to get the shit lynched out of her for lying as Town, or because she's Scum. No ifs, buts or whats about it. Who is scum, BT?

Dan's "PX feels like he rolled scum" needs to be made substantial and fast. It's past jokevotes stage, son, we're not permitting "lol GUT!" as your only reasoning! Why does PX feel like he finally rolled scum, and why are you already tying Schezo/Pesco together?

Similarly dislike PX's "we should get people to talk" while saying NOTHING at all.

Oh christ you're all scum again. Why do you do this?!

As far as my thoughts on Pesco go Shadoweh, he's Pesco, I have no idea what the hell he's doing but it's not pinging up in a bright red dot for me.

Shadoweh's recent content is good, so I'm letting off on her. PX, however, has less good content and I'm unhappy with the vote for Schezo to talk when so far PX's contributions have been, "I has PROBLEMS with mod telling Shadoweh about setup". Does that make you think she's scum, yes or no?

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

Don't demand others to "say more" when you yourself have been saying nothing of value.

[Schezo]

Hmm, my aura is coming out already?

It does feel strange that HW's case seems to be asking me to elaborate on something serious when he wrote it off himself as "silly."

I do not however like the people flinging "Schezo is lurkan" when I made my last post... 5 hours ago?  Really?  This feels more like an easy way for scum to push me and bandwagon early.
So the main offender in this is PX, in his 81.  With no original reasoning.  Nice.

Dan blows PX out of the water though.
In his 94 he gets to:
Gut PX which is not provable and can be placed on anyone.  There is no explanation behind this.  He goes on to write off crap on a person who said the exact same thing.  Pesco gets scrutiny and HW doesn't when they made pretty much the exact same case on me.  He tops off his wonderful post by throwing pairings around in early day 1 over....? what exactly. 
Because Pesco made a case on me? 
##Unvote:
##Vote: Action Dan

[Schezo]

Goddammit I deleted my first line.

Before HW. line This goes:
I initally wrote Shadoweh's post off as not serious and it didn't register that there was a mod confirmed thing there.  I messed up it's scummy.

[Shadoweh]

I am perfectly sober you rascally rabbit. -.- (oh god more deja vu.) Here, let me highlight the part that addresses you so you can find it better.

There's something about Pesco's post that sends alarm bells ringing, but I'm not sure which part it is. Saying you want a policy lynch doesn't actually tell us what you think about the whole mess. 'Null tell' my behind. You didn't get a read off of anyone out of that? Demanding more mod conformation is just noise at this point. It makes you sound outraged and offended while not playing the game.

[Pesco]

The null tell is on you. I didn't bold the call for mod confirmation, so I wasn't going to ask for something I knew the mod would no longer give.

How about you tell me why you're not voting for scum?

[Omba]

ITT Schezo thinks the "always paraphrase, never quote" applies to everyone's stuff, not just the mod's. It's a good idea to point out where you got your ideas from when you're not the first one to post them. Or at least somehow acknowledge that they're not originally yours. That would kind of make your post seem to have less actual new content in it, though. Oh.
It's a good way to avoid blatantly jumping a wagon with borrowed reasoning, though. Just start a new one with borrowed reasoning, it'll look a lot better. Oh. :V

It does feel strange that HW's case seems to be asking me to elaborate on something serious when he wrote it off himself as "silly."

Bad kind-of-defense. Not what he actually said, he never limited "things starting to get kind of serious" to the one specific aspect he called silly.

[Schezo]

Personally I found nothing before Shadoweh's post serious, so yeah it's why I'm finding it strange.

[Omba]

So since you think there was at that point nothing serious besides the part of Shadoweh's post HW called silly, HW's case seems strange to you because... he saw something serious where you didn't?
Then there's that small part where you did comment on an issue that obviously was serious, even if you were to think the part of Shadoweh's post it originated from was not serious. And your comment on that was pretty damn fluffy. Which you got called out for.

[Schezo]

Yes, I didn't think it was serious so I made a fluff post.

However things were picking up, so we're back to: "Schezo fucked up"

[Omba]

Durrrrrr... :V

You forgot the part where someone asked the fucking mod to confirm it, three posts above yours. Why would you completely disregard something at least one other person considered serious?
And two posts above yours is me asking Shadoweh if she's serious. That's two people thinking of it as a serious issue.

[Omba]

In addition, if you didn't think it was serious, but people taking it seriously talked about it, why didn't you ask them why they took it seriously?

[Schezo]

It wasn't a serious issue to me until we got either Mod info back or Shadoweh responded.  Neither of these happened.  I could have just went, "yeah what she said" and made noise.  But I didn't and for not acknowledging that I am getting scrutiny for it.  Ah well.

[Schezo]

Actually let me try to clear up my thought process in this when I made that post.

I mulled over a few options and chose the lesser of the evils, (so I thought)
I could lurk
I could parrot your serious request
I could treat it as if nothing serious had happened at that point

And since there was no feedback at that point, no there wasn't anything serious going on to me, so I chose the third.

[Omba]

There's three things you can do in RVS: post nothing, go lolrvs, or try to end RVS by starting serious discussion.
Guess which of these three looks scummy when other people already chose the third option. Not seeing any actual drive to find scum from you there.
More importantly, not seeing any in your posts after this, either.

##Unvote
##Vote Schezo

--cut by... Oh great. Now you're basically calling yourself scum. :V
You know why? You chose "post something just to post something", you even admit it. Why is "post something for the heck of it" the lesser evil for you at that point of the game?

[Schezo]

Responding to you now makes me not trying to make my scum picks?

And I do believe I have explained that track of logic.

You had already asked a question asking for serious correspondence.  What good would it do me to repeat that question?  Nothing.  You had already asked for the serious response that could be garnered from that point, I didn't want to repeat it.
So why do I look scummy for continuing where "people already chose the third option" when there was, again no responses from serious questions to work with, because they had already done it?

It's like you're literally encouraging me to parrot you or lurk; don't make an offhand remark after 1 sided srs mode began.  Why is this?

[Omba]

Responding to you now makes me not trying to make my scum picks?

That's not it. I see no drive to find scum in your responses. The reasoning you provide for what you did does not sound town-motivated.
And the post I already called you out on doesn't, either.

You had already asked a question asking for serious correspondence.  What good would it do me to repeat that question?  Nothing.  You had already asked for the serious response that could be garnered from that point, I didn't want to repeat it.
So why do I look scummy for continuing where "people already chose the third option" when there was, again no responses from serious questions to work with, because they had already done it?

It's like you're literally encouraging me to parrot you or lurk; don't make an offhand remark after 1 sided srs mode began.  Why is this?

If you're not seeing anything that looks serious to you and hasn't been adressed yet, you could try finding something. Ask people about reasons for non-serious stuff they did, for example. Non-serious posts can have serious reasons behind them. And if they don't, you'll still get an answer that either yields something interesting, or can result in an interesting reaction from someone else. The point is: You preferred continuing the fluff over serious debate. Serious debate is good for town, fluff is better for scum than for town. Town needs content to work with. I shouldn't even have to be this verbose about that because this is so basic stuff.

[J.O.B]

I need to start waking up earlier than 11AM.
Posting to say I'm here, another post should come soon.

[J.O.B]

Oh yeah I forgot this.
## Unvote

[J.O.B]

Okay, lets get down to business shall we?

With all this noise going on it's been very hard to get a clear read. But there have been a couple of people who have stood out to me. And they just happen to be some of the main noise creators. Namely Bardiche and Shadoweh.

Shadoweh I don't have much on, other than the fact that she deliberately used WIFOM to defend herself. Only scum would use WIFOM to defend, right? I'm pretty sure townies would rather defend with solid defenses instead.

Bardiche on the other hand, My opinions aren't the most original, but I think they still hold. Bardiche created a lot of noise by repeatedly going after Shadoweh and her modconfirm (for number of scum). In my opinion, that's a null tell. All we ever needed to clear this up was just a modconfirm that the ratio was indeed correct. But Bardiche had to drag it out longer than what was needed. He looks extremely town on the exterior, but I think he's hiding something on the inside.
##Vote Bardiche

@Shadoweh: Did you explicitly ask the ratio of town/scum on IRC or had K4U posted it by herself?