Graveyard Anonymafia - Game Over

[DiEnd]

All right, you all are milling about with dumb looks on your face on the heels of a friggen no lynch yesterday. What the fuck is wrong with you all? We have TWENTY HOURS left in the day.

##Unvote, Vote Necro (L-3)

We're not lynching Pamela today. She's not scum and people voting her are either dumb or scum. You should make it clear for us! So, that leaves Necro or Shiba as a distant second. I'd really rather kill Bog, but I can go for the Necro lynch. The whole "LET'S LYNCH PAMELA WITH A FEW HOURS TO DEADLINE SO THAT TOWN NO LYNCHES" thing is bloody awful.

Wagon. NOW. I want him at L-1 in the next 8 hours or I'm going to be VERY unamused. And you do not want me unamused.

[Kabuto]

Youmu, I have no idea what any of your stances are. Your posts today in particular are all over the place. Could you elaborate a little?
In addition, I dislike all the people who are harping about NO LYNCH YESTERDAY OMG. The last votecount the mod posted before deadline purported the deadline to be a few hours later than it actually was. I find people who are twisting this into a scum tell highly suspicious.

[Kabuto]

EBWOP: Let me clarify that. I see your Bogmire case, and I understand where it's coming from. But I want to see your Necro, Shiba, and town!Pamela cases.

[DiEnd]

Pamela is town because she's town. Do you people never learn that I see no reason to give scum a Handbook Of Town Tells?

I've already explained why Necro is scum. The attempt to divert the lynch off Ayumu had little chance of success. I feel it was a ploy to get no lynch, and could potentially have been a ploy to save Ayumu scum, though that possibility is more remote after Count's fakevig. Your support of it would be for the same reason(s). And, we agree that I've adequetely explained why Bogmire is awful. I'm not going to do some long winded PBPA thing pointing out every word you said wrong. The end of D1 behavior was bad enough. Even with three hours I don't think you'd have gotten the steam you'd need, and I think you knew that. I find it hilarious that you're trying to discredit the tell because you can't defend it.

[OOO]

See, master? This is why the living should die... they die anyway.

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Munak still remains convinced in Munak being correct about miss Pamela being scum.
Munak also thinks that lady Bathory is scum.

Munak has not yet had the time to reread Necro Gardna.
However, Munak should be able to get this done before the last 12 hours of the day.

[Kabuto]

Excuse the delay; my net is trolling me because of the storm.

Pamela is town because she's town.

I see no reasoning for this, and no attempt to divert the wagon off Pamela by giving good reasons why she would be town. This is not what town does; it is, however, what scum does when they're trying to earn undeserved townie cred.

As for the "diverting the lynch" tell, I am discrediting this "tell" because it's complete bullshit, and I think you realize this despite the fact that you are pushing it. Let's dissect this, eh?

1) I disliked the Ayumu wagon. I found Pamela scummier than Ayumu. Naturally I would support a lynch on her over Ayumu.
2) Again, people didn't know about the shifting deadline. You're suggesting the players who switched to Pamela are psychic enough to realize that huhwhat would cut off discussion at the end of the day without even warning anyone? I hate no lynch as much as the next player, I woke up 2 hours after deadline, and I would have switched to Ayumu if need be to get a lynch.
3) The fact that you are still hanging on to this tired reasoning despite it not standing up to any test of logic is ridiculously scummy.

The end of D1 behavior was bad enough.

Complete and total bull. Give me some semblance of logic; throwing blanket statements without anything to back them up is bloody frustrating. I can't "defend" a case when it's founded on bullshit.

##FoS: Youmu Konpaku
In addition, you're leaving yourself plenty of options by making lots of shotgun attacks on other people.

Will read the other players soon.

[Kabuto]

EBWOP: Oh, and I realize that two people are voting me. I'm not ignoring you, I just haven't gotten around to you yet, so be patient~

[DiEnd]

Actually you're  acting exceptionally stupid if you think scum are the only ones who have a reason to hold back the reasoning for town reads, as well as attempting to discredit me because you have no other defense. I have strong reasons to believe Pamela is town. I see no reason to share them with the class unless she's seriously in danger of being lynched. Which she isn't, because I won't allow it.

Your switch to Pamela yesterday was timed conveniently enough to more or less short circuit the lynch, extra three hours or no. THAT'S what I'm saying.

You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.

[Kabuto]

Your switch to Pamela yesterday was timed conveniently enough to more or less short circuit the lynch, extra three hours or no. THAT'S what I'm saying.

Because I was totally voting Ayumu at that time, right?  Really, explain how my vote switch short circuited the lynch. I'm really interested.

You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.

You're either being a complete idiot, or you're scum. I don't care about discrediting either of the two, really. I'd like to think that the people behind your account can put out better stuff than this drivel you're trying to use to discredit me.

[Kabuto]

Actually, why not vote for me today? I'll gladly put myself in a 1v1 with you.
##Vote: Youmu Konpaku

I've lost interest in this game, and I don't want to go out by modkill.

[Kabuto]

EBWOP: Especially since you think I'm scummier than Necro. Put your money where your mouth is.

[Kabuto]

EBWODP: I'm completely serious about the 1v1 btw.
I'll type up a detailed case later, along with opinions on everyone else.

[Skull]

Kookie is being very reactionary, and I think that, on the chance that she winds up being town, that this is getting in the way of her ability to hunt scum.

What do you think about the main reasoning behind my vote for Necro? That being the fact that Necro's voteswitch to me yesterday doesn't feel like genuine town thinking that I was scum?

Also, say for example that we did have three more hours, and I was lynched in that three hours. Would you have, in good conscious, taken a look at the four people who would have voted me in the span of the last three hours of the first day of the game, and used their reasoning, however poor it was, against them? The only person we would have to look at today is Gardnie for the entire case, and I don't think Gardnie actually intended to take responsibility for the case. I think scum were trying to throw in some extra confusion without actually having the lynch land on me. Does the fact that the day ended three hours earlier change this line of reasoning at all?

Munak, I think I've answered most if not all of your questions. Could you please go back and bring up all of the things that are relevant to you believing I'm scum? That would help a lot~<3

[Kabuto]

I'm up for making wagons any time if I think they'll land on scum. ┐(￣ー￣)┌
I don't find your reasoning for your Necro vote disagreeable, but I don't think he's scum for reasons I'll explain later. Compare this to Youmu's reasoning for her Necro vote; wait, what reasoning? (?･ω･`)

Also, say for example that we did have three more hours, and I was lynched in that three hours. Would you have, in good conscious, taken a look at the four people who would have voted me in the span of the last three hours of the first day of the game, and used their reasoning, however poor it was, against them?

This paragraph is invalid because it assumes something I can't assume (namely, that you're town).

The only person we would have to look at today is Gardnie for the entire case, and I don't think Gardnie actually intended to take responsibility for the case.

I agree that Necro looks bad for trying to hedge his bets, but I think it's likely he was just trying to point something out before the end of the day. The Ayumu case was growing stale for almost everyone on the wagon.

I think scum were trying to throw in some extra confusion without actually having the lynch land on me. Does the fact that the day ended three hours earlier change this line of reasoning at all?

What extra confusion? If the day ended three hours later, judging by the number of people who had expressed a desire to lynch Ayumu (Mean Ghost Girl, Munak, Necro, etc.) it's highly likely Ayumu would be been lynched regardless. Necro wasn't the only one who switched away from Ayumu at the end of the day. It looks like people are blaming him because the wagon actually took form; in that case, why not blame me? ┐( ?∀? )┌

Pamela, you seem to think I'm scum, would you consider voting me over Necro? I'm serious about the modkill. I don't really like any of the wagons today. I'd vote you or Necro over a no lynch, but I think Youmu is much more likely to be scum.

[Decade]

Okay, I'm really supposed to make a nice big post about now. Actually, more like about 8 hours ago. But I'm just... so sleepy.

I'll make a better post when I wake up.

About this Kukaku/Youmu spat, Iunno, I kind of like Kukaku a bit in this. I need to read over it again while I'm thinking straight, however.

Those Necro/Sid/Kukaku rereads I was supposed to do haven't really happened yet. Going to get around to that, definitely. When I wake up. Probably. Maybe. Hopefully.

I kind of hope a votecount has appeared by the time I wake up. Also, with the deadline being later then it was D1, I'll definitely appear by the time deadline hits, at least to change my vote in order to help secure a lynch if nothing else (But god dammit I should have more to say then a vote change by then).

At the moment it looks like it's gonna be Necro, but I haven't reread Necro... bleh. I think I remember lots of people saying they didn't like Kukaku though, so with the recent upset, maybe it'll shift?

...I'm ranting. I wouldn't have made a post while I'm in this state if it wasn't that I got prodded like 6 hours ago for not posting. I hadn't even realized it had been so long since my last post, probably because at the time, barely anyone had said anything since my last post yet. Oh yeah, ranting. I'm going to bed. This post is bad.

[Ouja]

Actually, why not vote for me today? I'll gladly put myself in a 1v1 with you.
##Vote: Youmu Konpaku

I've lost interest in this game, and I don't want to go out by modkill.

Scum:
 
Kukaku
Necro
Youmu
 
There you go. Scum team nailed, GG.

[DiEnd]

You're doing it wrong. ☆〜（ゝ。∂）

Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna. You even used I'll get to it later again. I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN. And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shiba Kukaku Kukananey

It would be nice to have votes on who I want right now, Bogmire is either going to flip himself or become someone who'll post more so I can finally convince people to lynch the hell out of him so hooray! I'll be around the entire time so we'll see if we can finish pushing you off the bridge. Sadly I'm not sure if it'll happen. There's definitely no one that wants to go after Sid or Remilia. (How many zombies can't remember who's playing unless you use the front page list?) There's too many suspects and not enough days to do the lynching. Ayumu's reaction was good enough that we're not interested in him.

Cut by a post that makes me want to punch it in the mouth that doesn't answer any of the questions I asked it earlier. Less bla bla more rereads and being productive.

Cut by a thing that makes even less sense then that other post. I'm just going to answer with 'lolno'.

[Skull]

So, you're not even willing to think for a moment that I'm town? Not even in a hypothetical?

there's more scum merit to jumping off of the main bandwagon and onto another one than hoping it ends in a no lynch. For example, if Ayumu was lynched and flipped town, he'd have been able to launch off of his paragraph of why he didn't like the bandwagon on Ayumu to clear himself of the wagon, and no one would give him bad looks and he'd be able to pursue the case on me, today. This would give him a day to be clear, since there wouldn't be anything to pin on him or cause people to notice him.

Again, it's not the fact that he started a wagon. It's the way he tried to start the wagon.

I'm tempted to take you up on your offer to vote, but considering how fast wagons move this game, and how much success we had yesterday, I don't want to try it. Not only that, but the more I think about possible reasons for wanting to make this spat with Youmu a 1 vs. 1 with her, the more I feel like voting you and moving away from Gardnie is a trap.

Cut: Well, I guess there's plenty of support for the Kookie wagon after all.
Lizzy: I can assure you Youmu and Kookie aren't on the same team. Don't just say "Scum team nailed" like that. It just makes you look arrogant and stupid.

[Skull]

I just noticed after reading Youmu's last post in depth.

This paragraph is invalid because it assumes something I can't assume (namely, that [Pamela is ] town).

I don't really like any of the wagons today. I'd vote [Pamela] or Necro over a no lynch, but I think Youmu is much more likely to be scum.

So, if I'm not Town, and if I'm not worthy of being a wagon, then what am I?

[Kiva-la]

Just checking this thread now after a few games of LoL. 

Which one of you is JUST! so many little adorable ascii faces!  I'm still more interested in lynching Necro than either of you ragers.  Strictly speaking, I'm not inspired by Shiba's threat of modkill, which is the only thing I looked at seriously between the two of you.

One thing to make a note of.  My fakevig's only purpose was to get Ayumu to post.. once more.  Since it's like pulling teeth.  Luckily he provided us with reads, but it's up to him to post again well before day's end to justify and support them.  Otherwise they don't hold much value.  Just because Ayumu didn't do the equivlent of claiming scum, he should not be considered green town.

Also... Bathory.  I really think you might do better to post the reasons for your scum reads again... like you promised earlier.  I highly doubt scum are demotivated enough this game to blow their cover so easily.

I have really never thought less of Mean Ghost Girl as anything other than town.  Even with silly rants. cut by Pam

[Kabuto]

Pamela: How would it be a trap? Either way, in your view, it lynches scum, right?
Also, I don't think you're scum now due to scum!Youmu prancing about in front of me. I think I'll trust her judgement that you're town. But that wouldn't have applied when I saw your post yesterday. You assume I'm some sort of criminal mastermind or something. I'm not; I just vote who I think looks scummy. ┐('～`；)┌

[DiEnd]

Well you ARE a criminal mastermind aren't you? Bomb Building Smuggler! (*?∀?)=3
Lady Yuyuko encourages me to be more dainty. If it makes you feel better, we would have bought her as not town yesterday too, so your vote train could have gone a little higher.  (Ｔ▽Ｔ)

[Kabuto]

Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna.

Precisely. See, yesterday I was trying to save my scumbuddy Ayumu! Today, I'm trying to save my scumbuddy Necro! Jeez guys, sorry for being so incredibly transparent. It's okay though, I'm not going to bus you today. <3
I mean it's either that or I tried to swing wagons off of people I thought were town and move the wagons to people I thought were scum, but that's crazy talk. I mean, who does that? Certainly not anyone in this town.

You even used I'll get to it later again.

No idea what you're talking about sis. I gotta empty my basement after it got flooded during the storm, jah?

I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN.

Hey, that's my line! Except I'm supposed to say to you, "more likely what you're doing is giving a vote an excuse not to have a viable reason, again."

And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.

I'm not.

Cut by a thing that makes even less sense then that other post. I'm just going to answer with 'lolno'.

^Best part of Youmu's post.

Cut by a post offering friendship and rainbows and unicorns.  :wat:

[Skull]

There are a lot of things that could make this a trap.
Scum bomb
Scum Governor
Gardnie could have a better role than you do
it just feels like you're trying to buy time for your team for some reason.

Also, I'm calling you on your modkill bluff. If you do get modkilled, that's one less scum we have to lynch.

Cut: No one said Ayumu was your scum buddy except maybe Count.

[OOO]

Master, you are trying to join me on my side, right?

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Munak notes lady Bathory's assertion that there are 3 scum in this game.

Munak does not understand why everybody thinks that miss Pamela is aligned with town.

What does Munak dislike about miss Pamela?
1. Miss Pamela misrepping Necro Gardna.
Miss Pamela has admitted to doing this in #214.
2. Miss Pamela's second point about Necro Gardna in #214 looks to Munak like a weak excuse to keep miss Pamela's vote parked on Necro Gardna.
3. Miss Pamela's new suspects have all come out of the blue, and Munak notes that every single one of them are targets that other people have already voiced suspicion of.
4. Miss Pamela's first real post was a blatant hop that miss Pamela tried to pass off as a serious attempt at finding scum.
5. In miss Pamela's first post, miss Pamela randomly threw in suspicions of miss Youmu but felt no need to explain this to the rest of the town.

Munak really wants miss Pamela or lady Bathory dead today.

Munak is now rereading Necro Gardna.

... And Munak is cut by something weird.

[Kabuto]

I ain't a scum anything; I'm just a silly townie who wished she had a vig.
You seem to think I'm scum anyway. So put your vote where your mouth is.

I don't want to get modkilled, but I do want out of the game. I'm not claiming scum because that would be lying and would probably get me some sort of card.

[OOO]

Master... Give me one good reason why I shouldn't tear your apart and devour you?

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Munak wonders how Munak is supposed to finish Munak's rereads when all this weird stuff is going on.

Munak highly dislikes having the day ultimately turned into a 1v1.
Munak has no idea what to make of it right now.

Mean Ghost Girl's latest post is all sorts of terrible and Munak expects a decent post whenever the hell Mean Ghost Girl decides to return.

A quick read over Necro Gardna still doesn't convince Munak that Necro Gardna is scum.

Munak is highly confused right now.

[Skull]

My vote is where my mouth is.
On Gardnie.

@Munak: I think you're holding on to point 4 a little too tightly considering the way today goes, but I'll forgive you. On point 3, it sounds more like a "Pam is scum, therefore this is scum" way of thinking. It could just as well have been that other people were able to get to points where people showed their scumminess and talked about them before I did. I'm not sure point 2 is a very strong point either, because that was only one part of my case, and a part weak enough that i didn't really consider bringing it up again when restating why I disliked Gardnie. I don't have anything to say about points 1 and 5 (especially since I already answered what I could about point 5.)

This isn't a 1 vs. 1 between Youmu and Kookie This is just Kookie trying to be loud and distracting the lynch from Gardnie. I don't even see where there's a case on Youmu outside of the fact that Youmu was using the deadline issue yesterday as a scumtell. This whole debate started with Kookie arguing with Youmu to try and discredit it as a scumtell. Kookie basically came out of no where, defended Gardnie for no reason, Tried to discredit the wagon on him with weak reasoning, and is trying to make her argument with Youmu into such a big deal when it's not and forcing a 1 vs. 1 against her, and has been actively trying to get me to switch off of a Gardnie wagon onto even herself if that's what it takes.

It's amazing how blind people are to the between the lines. Kookie is being completely blatant in her intentions here.

[DiEnd]

Munak, Pamela is town because [REDACTED]. She's [REDACTED] her [REDACTED] and we're [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. It doesn't technically clear her but it's really, really unlikely to us. Bathory is a thing, but I don't see her lynch anywhere near happening and not over this nonsense. I'd prefer you to be on a lynch that can happen that isn't Pamela. What do you think of Shiba if you're not convinced of Gardna?

Shiba, no matter your alignment I'd prefer for you to want to play, one way or the other. Even if you're an evil zombie I'll treat you well in Hakugyokurou!

[Skull]

Votecount: Bored Townie Edition

Kukaku Shiba (3) - Reg Shoe, Elizabeth Bathory, Youmu Konpaku
Necro Gardna (3) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis, Ayumu Aikawa
Pamela Ibis (3) - Munak, Bogmire, Necro Gardna
Elizabeth Bathory (1) - Mean Ghost Girl
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Kūkaku Shiba

We apparently have only 15 hours left as of this post, so it would be nice if MGG and Kookie came to their senses in whichever version of the phrase that applies to the both of them. I also notice we're missing Remilia and Sid's votes, so if either of you could do so, that would make me not hate you forever.