Graveyard Anonymafia - Game Over

[Kaku Seiga]

I am so happy with the new deadine. Now I don't have to stay awake till 3:00AM.
Getting on to other things soon.

[Halloween Alice]

Hurk, sorry about not voting. I actually, kinda, sorta, overslept and missed the end of the day.

I am still not liking Ayumu very much, as she seemed to be focusing specifically on people on her bandwagon. Were there no opinions on other people?

Necro is... I'm honestly having a hard time forming my opinion on Necro, as I can't figure something solid out. I am having difficulty reading him.

However, Pamela is just augh. She comes in, makes an unvote and no revote with the apparent purpose of ticking off people, and I'm rather confused by the point she's trying to make in her most recent post. I currently like her the least. ##Vote: Pamela Ibis

[Kaku Seiga]

Now for answering end of day 1 questions.

1.Are you sure you're not focusing on the wrong thing here?

2.Also, throughout the game you have only been answering questions and not asking it. Why?

3.You make this statement. So you are saying Bogmire is leaning town while he is suspicious to you?
Are you not contradicting yourself?

4.While I can agree with the lack of posts, and the wagon hop, as well as the lack of content.
I can't agree with the trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
Her no content post here is more likely a mindscrewing post rather then a lay low.

Labeled for convienience.
1. What do you mean by that?
2. I honestly can't answer this question. But it's probably due to my inability to play mafia well yet. As I don't know what questions to ask.
3. I was saying that Ayumu seemed more town for that reason. So I think you read it wrong(Misrep might be a good word to use here?).
4. I never said she was laying low. I just said she was appearing to lay low. Also I think you have got the wrong post. I was talking about her last one.
It's nice to finally see some other reads from you Sid (unless I forgot a previous post). You're finally not tunnelling as much (though you still are).

[Skull]

I'd rather have been lynched than to walk into the thread and noticing there was none. You people made Teddy sad!

Nice to know but why did you not vote Ayumu in the same post as your unvote? Ayumu didn't post anything inbetween that could have changed your opinion. Pamela's vote had bussing potential. Too bad we didn't get to confirm that.

I read the game. The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~

Gardnie~~~
I can respect the idea of letting the obvious case go, but it doesn't feel like an insight. It feels like you're Justifying a wagon switch.
You state rather plainly that you're not voting me for my vote, or the way I presented my vote. You were voting for me you disagreed with what my perception of what was happening in the game. Am I scum solely because I read the thread differently than you did?
Your wagon switch also came after Remilia's worrying over the day ending. I imagine anyone who was reading her posts would have noticed that there wasn't time to make a wagon switch, unless you thought six other people were going to log on and suddenly agree with you. I'm also not a fan of how you spent the rest of the day defending yourself without even mentioning or bringing up that deadline was coming soon.

##Vote: Necro Gardna

Speaking of people reading Remilia, Sid, I was hoping you were as well. Especially since your vote was on her at the end of the day. Early in the post, you chide her for asking for something concrete on day one, then you Chide me for not having a concrete reason to dislike Youmu. If you've coped with the fact that nothing solid will come in the middle of day one, why were you tempted to vote me for not having something solid? More importantly, why didn't you? When you thought about my wagonhop, you realized it was likely because it was near the end of the day, so why didn't you follow suit? Why did you cling to such a useless vote? And don't say "because it wouldn't have changed much" Because that's a justification, not a reason.

And to clear things up, yes, my favorite part of the Ayumu bandwagon was that it had the best chance at the time of actually landing a lynch. I'm still mad.

[Kaku Seiga]

1.Blatant parroting and lack of scumhunting intent, Kukaku is perfectly fine with that?

2.You need to do better than this still and tell us WHY. Consider it asked to each sentence in your post.

1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.

2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".


Also

The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~

That's exactly what I thought. Also It's nice to see some more posts and content from you.

[Ryuki]

@Shoe, Count:

I take issue with how this was the swing vote. Coming off the main wagon and onto a new one is a big enough swing that pretty much guaranteed a No Lynch. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post, 'too scummy to be scum' is a horrible fallacy and sheer laziness to analyze things out.

Again, Ayumu being 'too scummy to be scum' was never my only reason for voting Ibis, and I'm not sure why you say that I never analyzed anything out when I did so here (and if I was too lazy, I would have left my vote on Ayumu).  You are ignoring the bulk of my case.

I simply found Pamela's actions just as scum-like than Ayumu's (both made easy votes on easy people) and wanted a counter-wagon to make things easier to see on Day 2; Ayumu's outburst (which drew needless attention to herself) was just the tipping point that made me favor the case on Pamela.  Also, the case on Ayumu was too much of a one-note no-brainer case with really monotonous reasons that had to be copied from who commented on her behavior first.  The information we could get out of it was limited to who was or wasn't on the wagon, and a double wagon would facilitate analysis better (though Ayumu's lynch would have been better than this). 

As for the deadline, it passed by without me knowing about it.  I was under the impression that there would be a series of votecounts heralding the end of the day, but that was not the case.  My bad.

You state rather plainly that you're not voting me for my vote, or the way I presented my vote. You were voting for me you disagreed with what my perception of what was happening in the game. Am I scum solely because I read the thread differently than you did?

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Pamela, you are missing a bulk of my case, which you did not seem to read other than the first sentence.  But no matter.  What I want you to answer is this, which is related to the reasons you had for your vote:

Lastly, if she's okay with people copying other people's cases with regards to Ayumu, why is she okay with the case on Ayumu, which is made up primarily of her vote on Bogmire being copied from others in the first place?  She needs to clarify on which parts of Ayumu's case she agrees or disagrees with due to the above.

Also, how do you feel about Ayumu now, and why am I on a higher priority than him? 

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As for Sid, your vote on Remillia was extremely outdated in view of yesterday, and the fact that you did not vote for any of the main wagons at any time, even towards the end of the day, is alarming.  Seeing that most of your case on Remillia is based on stalking her mercilessly and nitpicking on her posts even when it's not related to her alignment, and that you have directed most of your case on her instead of convincing the rest of us, a vote on you would have to do for now.  You are going to have to go further than meta in explaining why Ayumu is town compared to Remilla, among other things.  Will switch to Pamela if she does not shape up.

##Vote: Sid

[Faiz]

Now for answering end of day 1 questions.Labeled for convienience.
1. What do you mean by that?
2. I honestly can't answer this question. But it's probably due to my inability to play mafia well yet. As I don't know what questions to ask.
3. I was saying that Ayumu seemed more town for that reason. So I think you read it wrong(Misrep might be a good word to use here?).
4. I never said she was laying low. I just said she was appearing to lay low. Also I think you have got the wrong post. I was talking about her last one.

#1 : Your asking specifically for a "GUT" read, "GUT" reads are gamblish. Not necessarily helping town.
#2 : ...
#3 : Your answer tells to me "I think Ayumu is more town, because he said the reason I thought Bogmire was suspicious."
Earlier you said

I never said that everyone else was town. I just said that they're looking townish to me. I haven't found anything really suspicious about them.

I said it earlier and will say it again, you contradicted yourself.

#4 : I'll concede this too then.

1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.

2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".

Agreeing is fine and all, but the fact is your rarely post your own content. I don't feel like your really doing any searches of yourself.

I'd rather have been lynched than to walk into the thread and noticing there was none. You people made Teddy sad!I read the game. The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~

Speaking of people reading Remilia, Sid, I was hoping you were as well. Especially since your vote was on her at the end of the day. Early in the post, you chide her for asking for something concrete on day one, then you Chide me for not having a concrete reason to dislike Youmu. If you've coped with the fact that nothing solid will come in the middle of day one, why were you tempted to vote me for not having something solid? More importantly, why didn't you? When you thought about my wagonhop, you realized it was likely because it was near the end of the day, so why didn't you follow suit? Why did you cling to such a useless vote? And don't say "because it wouldn't have changed much" Because that's a justification, not a reason.

And to clear things up, yes, my favorite part of the Ayumu bandwagon was that it had the best chance at the time of actually landing a lynch. I'm still mad.

I never said for something concrete, I said your "only" reason. There was a pile of information but you based it mainly on the fact that Youmu was immediately buddy buddy with Arcuied.

You want me to follow suit and vote on the person I believed to be likely town?

When I said I was willing to vote for you, it was for Day 2.

I was unwilling to immediately lynch you right after you decided to start getting involved.

[Kaku Seiga]

Thank you for explaining that. Now I understand what you meant by all that. And about #3, the reason it was like that was because I don't think I read properly. So I realised how suspicious Bogmire was afer I re-read it more thoroughly.

Agreeing is fine and all, but the fact is your rarely post your own content. I don't feel like your really doing any searches of yourself.

I think what happens here is I kinda look at what people are using for their cases and then I look at the person that the case is on to see if I can see what they meant (sorry if it doesn't make much sense.).
If I think it was good enough I might agree with it.

[DiEnd]

So I haven't finished rereading yet but I'm just going to start staring swords into Bogmire's post right now. (Staring daggers is a different maid's specialty.) You stayed unvoting anyone yesterday, and today you waltz in with a vote that would have been FAR more useful yesterday in securing our lynch. Yesterday your only suspect was the main lynch. Today your suspect is.. the other failed lynch. I don't feel like you're trying at all.

##Vote: Bogmire

You're just augh. You come in here with an unvote then you don't even bother to vote at all with the apparent purpose of who knows what, and I'm rather confused by the point you're trying to make about Necro, which is to say you know nothing? What DO you know, especially who your actual reads are? I currently like you the least.

[Edible]

Vote Count - Oh my god it's actually a votecount edition

Kukaku Shiba (1) - Reg Shoe
Necro Gardna (2) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis
Pamela Ibis (2) - Munak, Bogmire
Sid Barett (1) - Necro Gardna
Bogmire (1) - Youmu Konpaku

Not voting: Everyone else

62 hours remain in the day.  With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Den-O]

People have either given me unsatisfactory answers or are answering questions not directed at them. No change in my preffered list of scum.

However, Pamela is just augh. She comes in, makes an unvote and no revote with the apparent purpose of ticking off people, and I'm rather confused by the point she's trying to make in her most recent post. I currently like her the least. ##Vote: Pamela Ibis

Is Pamela scum? You haven't put a lot of faith in any of your votes all game.

The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~

Might as well have not posted at all for all the good it did.

1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.

2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".

Number 1 was not for you to answer. Number 2, Ayumu last talked about Bogmire a long time before the bluffed rage. Your response to Ayumu was that you had no new opinions. So where did this 'good point' suddenly come from? Bogmire made no posts between Ayumu's two posts. You read to me as if you're pulling fluff to pass off as opinion.

Again, Ayumu being 'too scummy to be scum' was never my only reason for voting Ibis, and I'm not sure why you say that I never analyzed anything out when I did so here (and if I was too lazy, I would have left my vote on Ayumu).  You are ignoring the bulk of my case.

I simply found Pamela's actions just as scum-like than Ayumu's (both made easy votes on easy people) and wanted a counter-wagon to make things easier to see on Day 2; Ayumu's outburst (which drew needless attention to herself) was just the tipping point that made me favor the case on Pamela.  Also, the case on Ayumu was too much of a one-note no-brainer case with really monotonous reasons that had to be copied from who commented on her behavior first.  The information we could get out of it was limited to who was or wasn't on the wagon, and a double wagon would facilitate analysis better (though Ayumu's lynch would have been better than this). 

As for the deadline, it passed by without me knowing about it.  I was under the impression that there would be a series of votecounts heralding the end of the day, but that was not the case.  My bad.

According to the no-case scummy qualifier in your link, I think it's a null point for comparing Ayumu and Pamela. They both made a shoddy case in the context of their posts. Ayumu has cried wolf too many times that any rage from her should always be called for the bluff. When you ignore the noise, you admit it yourself that Ayumu's content isn't good enough. You're giving Ayumu a pass because she raged and you think it would be too scummy to for scum to do. Your argument isn't convincing.

Your counter wagon idea was terrible because the votes that joined you made the same follow-the-leader play that accuse the Ayumu wagon of. The facts are that you were one of the weaker votes on Ayumu (you're guilty of what you say was wrong with an Ayumu lynch) and you secured the No Lynch.

I think what happens here is I kinda look at what people are using for their cases and then I look at the person that the case is on to see if I can see what they meant (sorry if it doesn't make much sense.).
If I think it was good enough I might agree with it.

You haven't disagreed with anyone the entire game.

So I haven't finished rereading yet but I'm just going to start staring swords into Bogmire's post right now. (Staring daggers is a different maid's specialty.) You stayed unvoting anyone yesterday, and today you waltz in with a vote that would have been FAR more useful yesterday in securing our lynch. Yesterday your only suspect was the main lynch. Today your suspect is.. the other failed lynch. I don't feel like you're trying at all.

##Vote: Bogmire

You're just augh. You come in here with an unvote then you don't even bother to vote at all with the apparent purpose of who knows what, and I'm rather confused by the point you're trying to make about Necro, which is to say you know nothing? What DO you know, especially who your actual reads are? I currently like you the least.

For everyone to answer: What are your reads into my 4 main picks? Bogmire is an outlier in my analysis and I want to know why he's a better lynch than Kukaku or Necro.

At the same time, I want to hear everyone's thoughts on Kukaku. V/LA does not mean the person is no longer in the game and can be ignored from rereads, scumhunting and votes. Kukaku's promise of a gut read revelation is empty considering the current circumstances. Going V/LA is something you know beforehand and yet we've got to wait for you to come back near the day end scramble. I am firm on Kukaku's lynch and will only reconsider once everyone has responded to this.

[Kaku Seiga]

Number 1 was not for you to answer. Number 2, Ayumu last talked about Bogmire a long time before the bluffed rage. Your response to Ayumu was that you had no new opinions. So where did this 'good point' suddenly come from? Bogmire made no posts between Ayumu's two posts. You read to me as if you're pulling fluff to pass off as opinion.

For number 1 I was just clarifying that.
For number 2 I had one of those "agreeing" moments. I actually thoroughly read it and then I saw what was wrong about it.

[DiEnd]

No it's fine everyone, let's just CHILL and not say anything, I'm sure the evil dead will just lynch themselves. It's not like we would NO-LYNCH or anything, ha, ha, ha. Re-reading already gives me a migrane. I think I'm more sure about my vote though. It seems like hiding without a vote and letting the no-lynch pass is the scummiest position of all.

For everyone to answer: What are your reads into my 4 main picks? Bogmire is an outlier in my analysis and I want to know why he's a better lynch than Kukaku or Necro.

It has to do with the idea of proactive vs reactive. He's an 'outlier' because he hasn't done anything worth examining. He hasn't taken any chances, made any mistakes, or tried anything messy. Not voting and just watching the lynches go by is SAFE and safe is not a townie trait. Even if the three choice you've outlined are being horrible, this is Scum In Front of Us behaviour. On top of that, we can't really analyze the wagon effectively because no one flipped. We don't even know if Pamela is town. We are effectively back to Day 1.

Out of your other three choices, Remilia is derp. I never got to experience the difference between newbtown and newbscum, but the wantom jumps onto the wagons do seem alot like how newbscum acted before. I think the longer she stays the more obvious it'll be either way.

I think Kukaku looks worse then Necro. Necro is the one who made the case and really got the lynch train moving over to Pamela (well Munak started it, but he was never voting Ayumu). Kukaku just jumped on the bandwagon afterwards. What's more likely, for the evil dead to push for a last minute switch or for the evil dead to giggle insanely and hop along? (hint: it's the later.)

[OOO]

Master, Munak wonders if you're not feeding her because you think Munak is fat.
You don't think I'm fat...Do you master?

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Munak was worried that she might have missed a lot of activity because Munak went to play with master for the day.
It appears Munak was worrying over nothing.

Miss Pamela, Munak asked miss Pamela a few questions earlier.
Munak would appreciate an answer.
Why did miss Pamela add in the statement that miss Pamela wanted miss Youmu dead?
What case did miss Pamela have on miss Youmu?

Munak needs to think things over a bit more.
Munak will be back soon.

[Ryuki]

@Shoe:

Ayumu has cried wolf too many times that any rage from her should always be called for the bluff. When you ignore the noise, you admit it yourself that Ayumu's content isn't good enough. You're giving Ayumu a pass because she raged and you think it would be too scummy to for scum to do. Your argument isn't convincing.

The first part is completely subjective.  The second part is irrelevant; both Ayumu and Pamela were, objectively, equally scummy in my eyes for their content, but the 'too scummy to be scum' component was the subjective reason for me to switch over to Pamela.  I never gave Ayumu a pass at all and fully intended to switch over to her at the deadline (which I did not commit to, alas).

And of course, I never said that the case on Ayumu was bad for D1 standards; people are definitely alright for agreeing with it.  I just felt that it was not conducive to bandwagon analysis as a whole and wanted to get some more opinions out from others as to who they preferred (between Ayumu, Pamela or even Bogmire) and why, which is another reason for why I started the wagon on Pamela.  Lastly, I'm quite wary when you say that I 'secured the no lynch' when votes are anything but secure and when more than one person needs to agree with me to form a counter-wagon.  You had might as well accuse Bathory and Sid for not being willing to commit onto any of the two wagons yesterday and playing equal part in 'securing' the no-lynch; I don't absolve myself of being one of the causes for that, but why am I worse than the above two I have mentioned.  I also wonder if you are putting Remilla and Bogmire as outliers due to some variation of 'too blatantly scummy to be scum' as well.

In other news, I'm quite irritated by Sid totally ignoring my question to him and being one day behind the current state of the game at all times in the game.

[Den-O]

Elizabeth and Sid were not voting Ayumu. Your switch reduced Ayumu's wagon whilst their's would not have made a difference. Kukaku followed you, citing preference and Remilia also switched away for Offler knows what reason.

There is insufficient interest in lynching Remilia or Bogmire.

[Ryuki]

If you claim that they made no difference, then we would not have gotten a Ayumu lynch no matter if I had switched or not due to an insufficient number of people present at the dateline (3 more votes were needed)

Also, I'm not talking of interest, I'm talking about their individual scumminess and your reasons for putting them as the two least scummiest in your list of four.

[Faiz]

As for Sid, your vote on Remillia was extremely outdated in view of yesterday, and the fact that you did not vote for any of the main wagons at any time, even towards the end of the day, is alarming.  Seeing that most of your case on Remillia is based on stalking her mercilessly and nitpicking on her posts even when it's not related to her alignment, and that you have directed most of your case on her instead of convincing the rest of us, a vote on you would have to do for now.  You are going to have to go further than meta in explaining why Ayumu is town compared to Remilla, among other things.  Will switch to Pamela if she does not shape up.

##Vote: Sid

Meta and bias.As well as the fact he acted the same way last game and ended as a townie lynch.

In other news, I'm quite irritated by Sid totally ignoring my question to him and being one day behind the current state of the game at all times in the game.

I'm not quite understanding what you mean by this, care to elaborate?

[Den-O]

If you claim that they made no difference, then we would not have gotten a Ayumu lynch no matter if I had switched or not due to an insufficient number of people present at the dateline (3 more votes were needed)

Also, I'm not talking of interest, I'm talking about their individual scumminess and your reasons for putting them as the two least scummiest in your list of four.

Elizabeth and Sid's votes could change and it would either add to the Ayumu wagon or do nothing. Their movements had no reducing influence on an Ayumu lynch. You moved your vote, pulled Kukaku's vote (null in terms of securing Ayumu's lynch) and pulled Remilia's vote (further reducing Ayumu's lynch).

Remilia and Bogmire aren't scumhunting. That's passively scummy and isn't as big a factor in misleading the rest of town. Your vote switch was actively scummy that threw us off having a lynch.

[Ryuki]

Again, it's sort of strange that you talk of votes as inflexible molds.  They can (and would have been, if we were more aware of the time), easily switched from person to person to secure a lynch regardless of 'influence' or some such.  I don't get how I especially 'threw people of having a lynch' when it's all a matter of being at the deadline and typing a few words to change a vote to someone more likely to be lynched, which many have failed to do since they were not aware of the deadline (including Arecuid, me, Elizabeth, etc.) and perhaps apathetic about the objective of lynching someone on D1.  The above is the main reason why Ayumu was not lynched yesterday, not because I mysteriously reduced the 'influence' on an Ayumu lynch by voting an easily changeable vote on someone else. 

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@Sid:

Ignore that 'one day' thing; I just felt that you are lagging behind the discussion and not following the main cases of the day or commenting on much else other than Remi, who is really easy to fault.  Can you summarize for us why Remi is scummy in non-questioning terms, and what you think of the events that have happened recently (the no-lynch of D1, my voteswitch, etc.) and the people involved.  It just seems that you're trapped in your own time-space bubble with Remilla in endless back-and-forth without really attempting to convince us of her scuminess and stuff like that, which is not helpful to the town cause.

[Ouja]

So Munak, most of you questions can be answered with one sentence. I only vote for the one I think is scum and no one else.

?Can lady Bathory explain to Munak and everyone else why Mr. Ayumu's lynch was a bad lynch??
It's the fact that you all seems to agree on how awful this embodiment of tastelessness known as Ayumu looks but non of you provided a reason how it's behavior could benefit scum so far. It's focusing on bad play what is nothing else than a excuse for not scum hunting, of course it's way easier to lynch the player that looks worse and rage about ?failing derp town? after it than trying to find scum.

?Can lady Bathory also explain why  miss Pamela's lynch was a bad lynch??
It's the same reason here. If you can tell the alignment of a player from just a single content post, good for you, I can't.

?Can lady Bathory also explain why Necro Gardna's vote was so terrible??
His initial vote on Ayumu was already a blunt wagon jump and his vote for Pamela was a not less blunt and opportunistic jump off the wagon. If you can put the blame for the no lynch on a player then it's him.

?Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would not go for either of the day's lynch targets when the sun was setting??
I already answered this. Girl you start to bore me.

?Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would actively try to eliminate the chance of a lynch occurring??
I don't think that I did this at all. Stop blaming me for your own shortcomings.

[Ouja]

So yeah, almost forgot this.

##Vote Kukaku

[Ouja]

Again, it's sort of strange that you talk of votes as inflexible molds.  They can (and would have been, if we were more aware of the time), easily switched from person to person to secure a lynch regardless of 'influence' or some such.  I don't get how I especially 'threw people of having a lynch' when it's all a matter of being at the deadline and typing a few words to change a vote to someone more likely to be lynched, which many have failed to do since they were not aware of the deadline (including Arecuid, me, Elizabeth, etc.) and perhaps apathetic about the objective of lynching someone on D1.  The above is the main reason why Ayumu was not lynched yesterday, not because I mysteriously reduced the 'influence' on an Ayumu lynch by voting an easily changeable vote on someone else. 

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@Sid:

Ignore that 'one day' thing; I just felt that you are lagging behind the discussion and not following the main cases of the day or commenting on much else other than Remi, who is really easy to fault.  Can you summarize for us why Remi is scummy in non-questioning terms, and what you think of the events that have happened recently (the no-lynch of D1, my voteswitch, etc.) and the people involved.  It just seems that you're trapped in your own time-space bubble with Remilla in endless back-and-forth without really attempting to convince us of her scuminess and stuff like that, which is not helpful to the town cause.

You can't be serious about it, an unvote is always an withdraw of support. And your unvote was nothing else then saying that poking miss too late to the party is more important than insure the  lynch you want. This is unacceptable no matter if 5 or 8 hours before deadline.

It's almost an invitation to shift my vote on you but I don't intend to follow your example of inconsequent voting.

[Decade]

I'm here! Rereading now.

I'm one of the group who thought the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so I check the thread expecting there to be about 2 hours left, and... there's a no lynch. Well then...! At least today's deadline will be significantly later in the day.

Before I reread, I'll just say that I think everyone not voting onto Ayumu (Or anyone else that we decided to lynch) near the end of the day is more of a complete mistake then something that can be actually called scummy, which is disappointing, because otherwise we might have some real material to work with despite a no lynch. But sadly, the last votecount was 22 hours before deadline, in addition to claiming the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so it's very very possible everyone present was town and didn't realize at all that deadline was very dangerously near and they needed to move onto a lynch.  Oh well.

It IS, however, still suspicious how incredibly quickly the Pamela wagon came up and gained traction at the end of the day, and at the moment I'm leaning towards the people who have the opinion that it couldn't have been on anything but town. I'll make a more concrete opinion on this myself after I've reread.

[Kiva-la]

But sadly, the last votecount was 22 hours before deadline, in addition to claiming the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so it's very very possible everyone present was town and didn't realize at all that deadline was very dangerously near and they needed to move onto a lynch.  Oh well.

Wow, and I thought I made the mistake of using my EST timezone timestamp from my main account to judge the deadline time (it's exactly 3 hours ahead of PST).  That really makes me angry... considering HW said 14 hours left with the timestamp at 10:00 pm PST while deadline was timestamped at 9:00 am PST the next day. 

I'm doing a re-read, but the only lynches I would support are Necro, Shiba, and Ayumu, unless Bog or Remilia claim scum.

Btw Bog, are you scum?

[Decade]

I don't like Pamela's first real post. First of all, it certainly took it's sweet time in getting here, and second, she says she wants Youmu lynched, doesn't say WHY she wants this at all, and then bandwagons on Ayumu instead. She had exactly one point of her own she made against Ayumu in her post, and I don't even really see how that one point is actually scummy instead of just newbish.

She didn't appear for the rest of D1 either. She made one real post the entire day. Augh.

However, in her favor, it was somewhat late in the day, so bandwagoning isn't entirely unforgivable, especially if she knew she likely would not be returning before deadline. Still, even this makes her majorly lurky, which is also bad. I want to see a lot more participation from her today, or she is probably ending up going right to my Die List. I know before I reread that I said I was leaning towards the people who thought her wagon sprung up so fast it must be scum-motivated, but jeez, now I can see why she would get piled on. But, let's move on to other people.

Remilia looks like newbtown to me. That's all I have to say on her matter.

Arc is one of the people who was actually going "HEY, DEADLINE, WE NEED A MAJORITY" (Hey, Remi did this too!), which only strengthens the townie vibes she gives off. Oh wait, I forgot, she died. Given the no lynch, I had practically forgotten that was a thing that happens. Well then...! The Count is also bleeding townieness all over the place, by the way.

Hi there Elizabeth! I'm sorry, I think we have really big view differences here, because I can't seem to agree with any of these cases you make. Also, in this post, it looks like you're completely forgetting Kukaku was already voting Bogmire. Did you forget, or something? Your main point is he's attacking easy targets and not voting them, but... he IS voting one of them. Also, tell me where you came to the conclusion that Bogmire is town. Bogmire just looks so bad to me, and we'll get to that in a minute. Come on, HE ISN'T EVEN VOTING ANYONE. THAT is the person who is not voting anyone. Bogmire, not Kukaku. Your case on whom you think is scum applies better to the person you're declaring town then your actual target. What?

Ayumu... is newb-something. I'm not sure what, and that is the problem with wagons on failing newbies. I wish Ayumu would get vigged instead of lynched, but I can settle for lynching him. The sad truth is that he just needs to die before we get into a LyLo situation and have to pick between difficult-to-read newb flailing and people who make sense.

Bogmire is near-nonexistent and beyond unhelpful. His posts contain extremely little contributions, opinions when given are tiny and uneffortful, and he doesn't feel like he cares about what he does with his vote at all.

I need to reread Kukaku and Sid more, but I believe I've hit the limit of ability to efficiently process mafia posts for the moment. Everyone else I didn't mention seems okay to me at the moment, unless someone has dropped off my radar completely. Shoe seems to be participating a lot more then he did yesterday and I'm quite happy with this.

Main scum picks for now are Bogmire, Bathory, and Pamela. I'm okay with an Ayumu lynch as well.

That really makes me angry... considering HW said 14 hours left with the timestamp at 10:00 pm PST while deadline was timestamped at 9:00 am PST the next day.

Oh, I missed that votecount. Apologies to the mods. Ah well, still 3 hours off, it seems.

...oh yes, I have a vote to use!
##Vote:Elizabeth Bathory

Mmn, just remembered Necro Gardna exists. I admit that I don't really see the case on him right now. If someone could re-explain it to me in it's current full state, I'd be delighted. It would also be nifty for the cases Kukaku and Sid but less needed, since they don't have as many huge posts that I'm demotivated to trudge through.

[Decade]

My Ayumu paragraph needs editing. Here is a new version.

Ayumu... is newb-something. I'm not sure what, and that is the problem with wagons on flailing newbies. I wish Ayumu would get vigged instead of lynched, but I can settle for lynching him. The sad truth is that he just needs to die before we get into a LyLo situation and have to pick between lynching difficult-to-read newb flailing or someone who at least makes SOME sort of sense.

[Sasword]

*Goes crying in the corner for deleting this post*

tl;dr crying version

Set up to wake up 2 hours before what I thought was deadline, got slapped by deadline.

Youmu I dislike, go gut!

Pamela can't decide between town/scum due to my alignment, the sudden counter wagon, and the disappearance during D1

I am as green as town.

Kukaku is suspicious for the IioA on Pamela then the sudden jump.

Crap, I got to do something right now so I'll finish this post soon.

[OOO]

Being alive is so overrated, master... soon you'll have an end to your suffering.

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Munak would take lady Bathory's words more seriously had lady Bathory posted more before lady Bathory's big case that was made 10 minutes before deadline.
Even if Munak takes the time from the votecount into consideration, lady Bathory was trying to swing the wagons when there were little over two hours remaining.
Munak believes it would also help if lady Bathory were around more often to push her suspicions if what lady Bathory said is the case.
Munak says 「good for you」 if lady Bathory refuse to vote for anyone outside of who you think is scum.
However, Munak believes that complete inflexibility is scummy.
Munak believes that lady Bathory's behavior can be summed up as 「Until Kukaku Shiba and Necro Gardna are lynched I will not vote for anyone else as long as they don't claim scum」.
Munak would like the other people to dwell on this thought.
Munak likes how lady Bathory tells Munak that Munak is trying to blame lady Bathory for Munak's own shortcomings.
Munak wonders how calling the two apparent lynch targets as town and terrible helps at all in securing a lynch for the day.
In addition to this, Munak is curious on how lady Bathory knows that both Mr. Ayumu and miss Pamela are town.
If Munak is remembering correctly, Mr. Ayumu is town because everything Mr. Ayumu has been doing falls under the category of bad play and Mr. Ayumu has been called out on this, correct?
Munak wonders how this allows lady Bathory to mark Mr. Ayumu as town.
If Munak were to blather on like an idiot for an entire day, contributing nothing, does that mean that Munak would also look town?
Munak is also wondering about how lady Bathory cleared miss Pamela.
Lady Bathory's entire reason for clearing miss Pamela is based on how Necro Gardna and Kukaku Shiba voted for miss Pamela, correct?
Munak wonders 「what is wrong with you?」.
Lady Bathory is going to ignore everything that miss Pamela has(n't) done because lady Bathory's scumpicks are voting for miss Pamela?
Munak believes that associations work better once we have some actual confirmed flips to work with.
Munak also finds it really strange how lady Bathory's reason for clearing miss Pamela has changed overnight.
Yesterday it was based around the people voting for miss Pamela.
Today lady Bathory says 「If you can tell the alignment of a player from just a single content post, good for you, I can't.」
Munak would like to note that lady Bathory appears to be ignoring the fact that this single content post was miss Pamela's ONLY content post.
Munak is also noting that lady Bathory is ignoring the fact that miss Pamela had voiced suspicions of miss Youmu in this content post, suspicions that miss Pamela apparently still holds, yet said nothing about them. (Munak is still waiting on answers from miss Pamela in regards to this)
If miss Pamela weren't so terrible, Munak would switch her vote to lady Bathory right now.
Instead, Munak must be content with this:

##FoS Elizabeth Bathory

[Ryuki]

@Bathory: Thing is, the lynch I wanted more was Pamela's at the time, and Pamela only came late into the day.  Isn't this what a vote is supposed to represent, as you say?

@Meanie: Oh, interesting.  No wonder the deadline seemed so sudden.

Also, it seems that Arecuid voted for Ayumu yesterday after all; my apologies.

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I agree with Munak about the eccentricity of Bathory, and am personally concerned about her lack of justifications for her town reads, and her shoddy connective scumtell cases which seem to be based on inflections of tone and falsehoods (Shiba voted Bogmire) more than actual content.  For now, I'm not willing to vote her, however, since her content seems original and somewhat current in comparison to many others, albeit with a very narrow scope.  If her Shiba case does not hold true, then one can say that all she has done day one and two is nothing but a blank, which is a sad trick for scum to use to avoid analysis, but I'll roll with her extreme whims and tendencies for now.

I've read through Shiba again, and with most of the people (except Bathory) here finding her suspicious mostly based on her wagon jump, Being on the same boat, I can't really say I agree.  I'll leave her to defend herself, but from what I've seen, her actions do fit her words since she has consistently found Ayumu town from mid day 1 onwards.

Count is starting to get onto my radar for some reason.  He seemed amicable and sensible enough early to mid-day 1, but towards the end, I see posts which I don't like, such as this one.  Here, he notices quite a number of things, such as Sid's repertory stuff, and Bathory's failure to talk about anything other than Shiba, but he fails to follow any of these observations up in subsequent posts.  His motion for everyone to explain their Ayumu votes also didn't really lead to anything here, since today he seems to be caring more about those who voted for Pamela instead.  There's a bit of what I see as coasting on Shoe's post D2, and I would like Count to give a reason for this.  Nothing major, but your opinions don't seem to be consistent; they do cover many bases but not really purposefully.

All Sid has done is to attack Remilla for logical faults and errors the entire game which do not lead to any judgment of her alignment.  He hasn't even tried to convince the rest of town on his case.  Also, his town reads are almost completely unjustified through objective reasons, and doesn't seem to be following the game very well outside of Remilla.  In this respect, he seems to be coasting through D2 under the pretense of content, which is quite unforgivable until he comments on other stuff.