The Urists therefor agree to stop working on their construction project that may or may not flood the entire fortress in magma; and ferret out the intruders.B-but I ~love~ magma floods!
so dormio is hated?It's an anonymous vote as far as I can tell (which is fairly different). Apart from observing it, though, there's no use talking about it for a pretty long time (It's specifics could be practically anything, from anyone, at this point)
Darkninjaabc (1): Serela; CF7; Cheez8Is that just a typo?
##UnvoteI guess I'm generally paranoid about my actions? Honestly I don't really know since I only have one good example to judge myself from- all the others happened two years ago, in a community with a completely different playstyle to boot.
##Vote: Cheez8
Cheez, how would you describe your scum game?
at least one of shadoweh and Conq are town
@sky. conq's vote on shadoweh would be unusual if it occurred with both of them scum at that time
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
at least one of shadoweh and Conq are townCare to explain this bit? Seems kinda weird me.
My vote on CF7 was 90% lol rvs and 10% 'My mafia strategy is basically to OMGUS all the time' but now he stopped voting for me I have to re-evaluate.Actually he just thought that a bit too big post in rvs phase was a bit suspicious.
I think that CF7's switch on to DNA was because he saw he suddenly had three votes and needed to light a fire under somebody else.
I'm actually going to keep my vote on CF7 and switch it from 'omgus' to 'serious vote'.
Also i'm a bit concerned by Conq's lurking. Usually he's way more active.Several things I want to start about this statement but first: CF7, how would you construe my posting in this game so far as lurking? Also, is your vote on Darkninja serious?
Several things I want to start about this statement but first: CF7, how would you construe my posting in this game so far as lurking? Also, is your vote on Darkninja serious?Well, it's just that i am kind of used to more active you it seems.
cf7 i have no idea why me liking discussion and sparking off said discussion to play to my wincon is bad. i also have no clue why defending myself from retarded people is bad. given ihave named the scenario that is d1. ppl are easier to get lynched d1 anyway so imo me flipping out is totes justified. also, wtf is somewhat serious. you are not explaining anything at all. just dragging out shitting on ne and my beautiful head with your shitty vote. if i can multishit i would vote you for being absolutely retarded but i cant multishitBy somewhat serious i meant that your initial post seemed kind of scummy to. It's a rvs post i admit, but well, your switch to Sky_P in the same post after your vote on Zak was weird.
becuz i am arrogant and selfcentered i cannot comment on shit like the big picture which do not threaten my immediate existence. ask me or you do it. ninja outOh. Not pro-town post at all...
It feels like he's just sort of forcing himself to come up with a reason; nobody feels massive pressure from 3 RVS less than 24 hours after the game starts.
Care to explain this bit? Seems kinda weird me.Dan explained it literally before this post (expeerience!) Please explain if 'curious' means scummy or not on SB. Also how Conq is lurking in a game no one is posting in :V
Dan explained it literally before this post (expeerience!)Best explanation. Ever.
Please explain if 'curious' means scummy or not on SB.
it was just a slightlyvlonger descriptive rvs vote. if you ask me they flipping out on me is what i would call weird
I think that CF7's switch on to DNA was because he saw he suddenly had three votes and needed to light a fire under somebody else.This is probably a better argument for him being town than scum. Any good Mafia player will react to getting a wagon by pointing out people who (they think) deserve the wagon more. Reacting to pressure isn't scummy, it's how you react to pressure.
By then I also expect Zakeri to have made a postLurkers complaining about lurkers complaining about lurkers complaining abo-
I think that CF7's switch on to DNA was because he saw he suddenly had three votes and needed to light a fire under somebody else.##Unvote ##Vote CF7
cheez, what the fuck. your intial vote on me was followed by an explaination of someone else. and when you are asked to explain shit you just deny well this isnt what i mean literally lol. the fuck. i dont understand that, but effort whatever.I was switching from one RVS vote to another, Darkie. I get that it would be helpful for everyone to have logic in their votes but RVS votes really just don't have that.
##Unvote ##Vote CF7
##Unvote ##Vote SkyPaladin
how2type correct names
I don't really think that three votes during RVS counts as people flipping out on you. That's pretty normal, honestly, and it strikes me as odd that you're trying to defend yourself already. It's also the only vaguely suspicious thing I've noticed so far, so I'm keeping my vote on you for real now.and i said, explictly. your response, aka the quote. is shit. i am extremely clear in stating my stance and my justification for flipping out referring to this post. how would you assume that i am attacking your rvs other than this obvious display of logic you mentioned is beyond me.
...Also I just re-checked the votecount and it says with 13 players it's 8 to lynch. I guess there's really something more to .....
to cheez. is it your scummeta to willfully misunderstand shit?Believe me, Darkie, I am doing my best to understand what you're saying. I thought I was succeeding, too!
...
and i said, explictly. your response, aka the quote. is shit. i am extremely clear in stating my stance and my justification for flipping out referring to this post. how would you assume that i am attacking your rvs other than this obvious display of logic you mentioned is beyond me.
cheez, what the fuck. your intial vote on me was followed by an explaination of someone else. and when you are asked to explain shit you just deny well this isnt what i mean literally lol. the fuck. i dont understand that, but effort whatever....Every way I look at it, this sounds like you're talking about my response to Paladin, where I explained why I swapped my RVS vote. I really can't see how any of this quote applies to the post where I listed an actual reason to keep my vote on you.
I wasn't criticizing your logic from earlier this game, I was talking how confused you made me in previous games. And I don't know why you're calling my vote serious this early in the game.
But okay.
at least one of shadoweh and Conq are town
Conq's vote on shadoweh would be unusual if it occurred with both of them scum at that time
Probably the most disagreeable logic I've seen so far that isn't obviously stemming from RVS (or Darkie). At this point in the game that's satisfying enough of a vote for meThis was apparently in response to something I said, but Serela accidentally voted for CF7. Then they switched to me.
or wait I think I was supposed to vote CF7 yeah
I don't know why I thought I had it wrong? >_>;
Holy shit, I'm in full ham mode and forgot that posting was a thing I was meant to do.Does Serela's recent failures add or subtract from this decision?
Either way, I'm pretty happy with keeping my vote on Serela for now.
OH MY GODholy shit so did I
I JUST DISCOVERED THE QUICK REPLY FEATURE
I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT
play. and i want conq to explain his readsGut. B)
I think Serela's (missing reasons) are more serious than Dan's junk argument and my feeling about CF7's motives.Sky_Paladin, could you explain what you mean by this? I mean I know what you mean by missing reasons, but what makes it more "serious" and thus more deserving of a vote?
Holy shit, I'm in full ham mode and forgot that posting was a thing I was meant to do.as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him. Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."
Either way, I'm pretty happy with keeping my vote on Serela for now.
I'm in half agreement with the votes on NNR; I want him to explain who he thinks is the scum picking on Sky_Paladin since the way he casually threw that out is the scummiest part of his post imo.A better way to phrase this is that I want NNR to explain why he thought there were scum pushing Sky_Paladin.
Gut. B)I'm ignoring you because I'm onto you, you know. STOP POKING ME!
Also, I wasn't really calling out Shadoweh for lurking (lol 24 hours since day start), but more picking on her because Shadoweh is fun to poke and you usually get nice reactions from wagoning her.
Also, shouldn't that be the other way around with Dormio?How so?
Difference between Dormio!town and Dormio!scum is that the latter sticks to someone because he thinks they're scummy and the former sticks to someone because he can.oh, fuck, i can't believe i didn't parse what you were talking about until now. yes, i meant the other way around. >_>
CF7, earlier you said you were considering voting for Sky (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061152.html#msg1061152), but then you turned around and said he's town (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061218.html#msg1061218)? How did that happen?I was considering voting for Sky_P because of his justification of making his rvs vote into serious vote. I think he's still town at the moment. And funnily you as well. Because it looks like your usual scumhunting and picking on people.
Also, there are barely 34 hours left in the day guys.What, really? Well shit. It doesn't feel like it, probably just because of how afk everyone is. I blame marathon hype. 24 hours from here. I might just have a good vote though.
Morning. Reread stuff.Ignoring how wrong 'a bit too scummy for Day 1' sounds, your only previous mention of Serela was that he's his usual unhelpful self, but town enough for now. I thought he'd at least posted between here and now, but he hadn't so the only thing I see here is someone who saw he was at 3 votes and a leading wagon going into the end of Day 1, saw someone else picking up votes who also happened to be attacking them, and picked a spot for themselves. You need to give a better explanation then uhhhhhhhhhhh..
Serela's general posting and reasoning for voting me is just uh... And i think he's a bit too scummy even for d1. I was considering voting for Sky_P because of his justification of making his rvs vote into serious vote. I think he's still town at the moment. And funnily you as well. Because it looks like your usual scumhunting and picking on people.
So, yeah.
#Unvote
#Vote Serela
I gave my reasoning earlier.
oh, fuck, i can't believe i didn't parse what you were talking about until now. yes, i meant the other way around. >_>This is clearly a slip and Conq knows that I tryhard way more as scum than I do as town.
also o4rfish get in here seriously
I think that CF7's switch on to DNA was because he saw he suddenly had three votes and needed to light a fire under somebody else.Okay. This. This is the logic that is bad, which I disagree with, and want to vote the person who made it. Yes. That's what I wanted to do the whole time. (I think; at the least it's how I see it now) Moving on.
I'm actually going to keep my vote on CF7 and switch it from 'omgus' to 'serious vote'.
my guess is that the scum team is Shadoweh, SB, and NNR.So at this point ActionDan's pretty clear that he thinks Conqueror is the one that's town. Mind you, his line about Conqueror/Shadoweh came up some time after he voted for Shadoweh, and shortly after Conqueror voted for Shadoweh. ActionDan never made his reason for voting Shadoweh clear; he just vote switched to Shadoweh after RVS voting SB for whatever mystery reason.
##UnvoteDormio is basically scum for this post. 1) Dormio never reads me as scum and 2) "clearly a slip" and 3) Dormio knows that his not trying hard at the moment has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with the fact that he's playing vidya games instead of mafia.
##Vote Conqueror
This is clearly a slip and Conq knows that I tryhard way more as scum than I do as town.
If you want to consolidate, at least pick somebody who has votes. Please pay attention to the game.I'm going to be here most of the day, as I said, so I can vote whoever I want to right now. There is still like 16 hours left, and I only just got a real post out there, so it's almost like I only just arrived. Other people were voting you earlier so it's realistic enough to think the wagon may pick back up.
CF7, you still haven't answered WHY the change happened, I know that you think Sky is town now but have no idea why, and that's what I was asking for.Because i'm not getting any scum vibes from him. Other than that one time. So i guess it's a misread.
Ignoring how wrong 'a bit too scummy for Day 1' sounds, your only previous mention of Serela was that he's his usual unhelpful self, but town enough for now. I thought he'd at least posted between here and now, but he hadn't so the only thing I see here is someone who saw he was at 3 votes and a leading wagon going into the end of Day 1, saw someone else picking up votes who also happened to be attacking them, and picked a spot for themselves. You need to give a better explanation then uhhhhhhhhhhh..I voted him after rereading. His vote shenaningans seemed really off. And his explanation of "messing up names" doesn't sound like a solid town read to me tbh.
Dormio is basically scum for this post. 1) Dormio never reads me as scum and 2) "clearly a slip" and 3) Dormio knows that his not trying hard at the moment has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with the fact that he's playing vidya games instead of mafia.This is pretty hilarious.
This is pretty hilarious.What's hilarious is that you're using this argument against me as an excuse to keep continuing to be "lazy." I know you care more about your town game than that, and your tone here pretty much gives away that you're trying to find any way to paint me as scum instead of legit thinking I'm scum. Because clearly the only thing I've done this game is to votepark on you, instead of your monumental protown contribution, right?
Like how do you read this shit as being townie instead of being an incredibly lazy vote on an easy target like me since I'm being super lazy?
Just putting that out there.
With 13 in the game it takes 8 to lynch
Relevance: Why would you vote for somebody you thought was 50% likely to be town?I mean this kinda takes what Dan says out of context but you wrote a paragraph right afterwards explaining why Dan was voting Shadoweh, so I'm just confused what that tangent was about since it doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Or did you think Dan switching his vote to Shadoweh in the first place was scummy?
Serela has confused his own scumpartners before so he really hasn't done something I'd consider Sereley enough yet to be obvtown.Oh geez. Well, that changes things.
I was considering voting for Sky_P because of his justification of making his rvs vote into serious vote. I think he's still town at the moment. And funnily you as well. Because it looks like your usual scumhunting and picking on people.Isn't this like your fourth game here or something? I'm surprised you already know what SB's "usual" looks like.
"so, I'm sheeping you"serela do you think dan is scum or are you just frustrated at him
"but wait, I'm not actually sure about this vote of yours that I'm copying"
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All right, my reads on fellow players.
DNA: talks like a goblin.
Shadoweh: competent farmer/brewer.
(Kilga is the secret dwarf! it all makes sense now)
Serela: glitching. Possibly a butterfly in the workplace?
ActionDan: no effort to explain poor logic. Noble.
Skypaladin: harried worker. Possibly the Main Character?
In conclusion, ##unvote ActionDan, ##vote DNA
@Raikaria: Is this correct?
Sure, let's play.Alright, now we're getting riled up, let's do this.
1) Dormio never reads me as scumI'm not really all that sure what to make of this statement.
2) "clearly a slip"Like, I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
3) Dormio knows that his not trying hard at the moment has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with the fact that he's playing vidya games instead of mafia.And yet, despite making this point, Conq tried to say that my not trying hard is related to myself being scummy.
Does anyone remember these two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1060956.html#msg1060956) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1060966.html#msg1060966)?
Because it doesn't seem like Conq does. What this looks like to me is token questioning designed to do little more than set himself up to look like an active contributor that's doing so much to help town in finding the scums.
I mean the entirety of Conq's early game consists of him making some gentle nudges and prods at basically half the playerbase.Yes, absolutely. And? This has always been an integral part of my towngame, and you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable? I question people. I don't try to piss off people unless they piss me off first, because mafia is a game I like to enjoy, not scream in.
So, yeah, I think Conq's early game and later assertions of having given a monumental protown contribution (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061428.html#msg1061428). (Saying something like that implies that you believe yourself to be in a position to be condescending, so don't try any of that "I didn't actually say that" bullshit)Compared to your activity? Yeah, yeah I do, and anyone can see this. And I didn't actually say that either, so that's another point for me.
However, despite the apparently logic driven process that he's used this far, the only reason that he gives for me is one based on meta.If you actually read that post instead of skimming it you'd see that the "meta" point was just a tack-on. The part I was voting for you was the complacency about the Serela vote.
Now, to explain further about what was clearly a slip, I would like you to look at this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061258.html#msg1061258).In fact, the wording in that sentence reflects that when people usually list two things, they then talk about "former" before the "latter" and I just mixed up the two words. I still don't see how you could see this in any way as a slip. Are you saying I meant to say that Dormio!scum thinks people are scummy and Dormio!town likes to tunnel people just because?
I'll give you some context here, I chat with Conq quite a lot about mafia and some other random topics in general.
Because of this, Conq knows that I tryhard way more as scum as opposed to town, and I think that the wording in that sentence reflects that.
I mean, it seemed to natural to Conq that he failed to correct himself (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061284.html#msg1061284) when called out on it the first time by Shadoweh.
Look at how little effort goes into this post because Conq is getting complacent.Given that I was literally running out the door and stated as such that I need to leave in that post, this attack is along the lines of Dormio attacking NNR for being conveniently absent from the thread in Mirai Nikki when NNR lost his internet access. Seriously. But since I actually have the time to sit down and explain now...
He's pretty sure I'll be an easy lynch because I'm busy playing vidya games, so he doesn't feel the need to put nearly as much effort into explaining anything he does.
I mean, I do find Conq to be agreeable almost all of the time, but absolutes are a pretty dangerous thing.Agreed, absolutes are a dangerous thing and you did read me as scum in NotV. But seeing as you attacked me on the basis of "he knows my meta" (ignoring that while talking to me you talked about changing up your scum meta in the future) and "lol scumslip" as opposed to something that would make sense like "paranoia," I'm inclined to see all this as posturing.
The fact that Conq is trying to use this as a point just goes to show how arrogant he's feeling right now since he feels that easy lynch coming.
Like, I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.The point is that you were either being facetious (in which case why are you making a joke vote so late in the day) or you were faking conviction because I still cannot see how that could be interpreted as a slip. Why don't we ask the crowd of players here how many people think that could be remotely seen as a slip as opposed to a miswording? It would be like saying Serela forgetting who he was voting was a slip on his part. That fact that you apparently think that this is supposed to demonstrate my "current arrogance" is I suspect a statement designed to try to piss me off because the logic doesn't flow and I know you're a logical person.
The fact that Conq is using lazy points like this is just further demonstrating his current arrogance.
And yet, despite making this point, Conq tried to say that my not trying hard is related to myself being scummy.X
It basically all culminates in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061428.html#msg1061428) anyway, where Conq basically just claims I'm doing something with absolutely nothing to back himself up because he feels that he doesn't need it since I'm being super lazy.I've backed up my points, however much you want to deny them. You disagree? Point it out and then we'll see how it stands up in front of everyone instead of having you make these insinuations.
After that, we have nothing but pokes and prods on other people again. :derp:Precisely, exactly what I do in the game of mafia, thanks for telling everyone Dormio. :) What was the point of this? Are you trying to insinuate that I have no scumreads or that I'm not pushing scum? Except you can't do that because it's not true?
Oh no, I remember these perfectly. The only thing I was trying to do was get some discussion going and possibly a read on Cheez8 based on his response, because his initial vote on DNA slightly pinged me (why vote DNA while agreeing that Dormio is hated) so I wanted to poke around a little. To paint this as me trying to "look like an active contributor" is laughable because guess what? I was trying to get something started. Am I lording that around like it means you should townread me for me? No, absolutely not. I dropped the line completely because I didn't get anything from it and my next posts were about other stuff.The sheer volume of fluff makes me think otherwise.
Bringing me to Dormio's next point.Yes, absolutely. And? This has always been an integral part of my towngame, and you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable? I question people. I don't try to piss off people unless they piss me off first, because mafia is a game I like to enjoy, not scream in.The last sentiment here is blasphemy.
Compared to your activity? Yeah, yeah I do, and anyone can see this. And I didn't actually say that either, so that's another point for me.So I like how you just outright stated it here as opposed to implying it before, and then have the gall to say that you didn't say it.
If you actually read that post instead of skimming it you'd see that the "meta" point was just a tack-on. The part I was voting for you was the complacency about the Serela vote.
because even if Dormio is too busy playing around with his new computer, I see this post:as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him. Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."I don't know about you, but this looks like more than just a tack-on to me.
In fact, the wording in that sentence reflects that when people usually list two things, they then talk about "former" before the "latter" and I just mixed up the two words. I still don't see how you could see this in any way as a slip. Are you saying I meant to say that Dormio!scum thinks people are scummy and Dormio!town likes to tunnel people just because?Yes, actually.
Re: trying hard. Yes. However, and this is the crux of the whole meta argument here, if you're busy doing schoolwork or games or hats or whatever, then your activity in mafia won't really matter that much and what shows is the attitude you bring to the game. It's not like you don't lurk as scum, it's just that you enjoy scum better because you have a gameplan.And yet you mentioned nothing about my attitude?
Given that I was literally running out the door and stated as such that I need to leave in that post, this attack is along the lines of Dormio attacking NNR for being conveniently absent from the thread in Mirai Nikki when NNR lost his internet access. Seriously. But since I actually have the time to sit down and explain now...Well, how am I meant to know that?
Agreed, absolutes are a dangerous thing and you did read me as scum in NotV. But seeing as you attacked me on the basis of "he knows my meta" (ignoring that while talking to me you talked about changing up your scum meta in the future) and "lol scumslip" as opposed to something that would make sense like "paranoia," I'm inclined to see all this as posturing.I don't really think that there's anything I can really respond to in this sentence.
The point is that you were either being facetious (in which case why are you making a joke vote so late in the day) or you were faking conviction because I still cannot see how that could be interpreted as a slip. Why don't we ask the crowd of players here how many people think that could be remotely seen as a slip as opposed to a miswording? It would be like saying Serela forgetting who he was voting was a slip on his part. That fact that you apparently think that this is supposed to demonstrate my "current arrogance" is I suspect a statement designed to try to piss me off because the logic doesn't flow and I know you're a logical person.The logic flowed in my mind, and still does, and that's all that matters to me.
X
Seeing as I never said anything of the sort...well yeah, I think you're just making stuff up at this point.
Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."I dunno about you, but this looks like it to me.
I've backed up my points, however much you want to deny them. You disagree? Point it out and then we'll see how it stands up in front of everyone instead of having you make these insinuations.:)
Precisely, exactly what I do in the game of mafia, thanks for telling everyone Dormio. :) What was the point of this? Are you trying to insinuate that I have no scumreads or that I'm not pushing scum? Except you can't do that because it's not true?I'm trying to say that what you're doing does little more than generate mild interest in you that isn't likely to go anywhere which keeps you in the back of the minds of various people without actually having really done anything which I think is a great position for scum to be in.
Your move, Dormio.Your move, Conqadour.
The sheer volume of fluff makes me think otherwise.No fluff at all. I said a few sentences, and then dropped them later completely because I didn't get anything out of them. The only reason we're talking about it is because you brought it up because?
Anyway, I dunno about you, but I'm pretty sure I've been pretty paranoid about people making lots of weak pokes in the early game in the past so you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable?This is just going to go in circles forever. Yeah, people making weak pokes in the game and not doing anything else is scummy, but how am I doing that, and especially given the context of what you're pointing out, which is in the early part of D1, the worst day of mafia to play on? (this is why replacements are superior)
So I like how you just outright stated it here as opposed to implying it before, and then have the gall to say that you didn't say it.Hey man, if I didn't say it, I didn't say it. But what's the relevance of this anyways?
I don't know about you, but this looks like more than just a tack-on to me.I dunno about you, but I dunno about you thinking that looks more than just a tack-on. Since you're saying differently, ball's in your court. How is that so?
Yes, actually.::) This is why I think this push of yours is fake. Since when have I ever described your play like that? You know I've stated differently in the past.
And yet you mentioned nothing about my attitude?
Alright then.
I see this post as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him.This is what I was talking about. It's complacency with the status quo as opposed to, you know, actually looking for scum.
Well, how am I meant to know that?Given that I explicitly said I had to go in the post, um, by reading it? The important thing is this. What's your reaction to that post now that you know that? The fact that there's absolutely no reevaluation from you after your supposed discovery of this fact is incredibly suspect.
I do like how you frame this as though I've done a terrible thing though, since I am clearly at fault for you having not given an explanation.
I don't really think that there's anything I can really respond to in this sentence.I'm saying you're arguing that I'm scum based on shitty reasoning that I think is beyond you as town. Capiche?
I mean, I don't really get the difference here so whatever, if you feel like explaining it in some more depth for me I'd appreciate that.
The logic flowed in my mind, and still does, and that's all that matters to me.Sugoi monogatari, onii-chan.
I dunno about you, but this looks like it to me.Nope. I wasn't referring to your lack of activity there, but the complacency with the Serela vote for completely unexplained and mysterious reasons. See above.
:):3
I'm trying to say that what you're doing does little more than generate mild interest in you that isn't likely to go anywhere which keeps you in the back of the minds of various people without actually having really done anything which I think is a great position for scum to be in....Which is a great position for scum to be in, true. It's also a great position for town to be in. This is the equivalent of saying that since I'm a human being I must be a female, ignoring that both males and females can be human.
No fluff at all. I said a few sentences, and then dropped them later completely because I didn't get anything out of them. The only reason we're talking about it is because you brought it up because?Because I see it as scummy. This isn't going to go anywhere like this.
This is just going to go in circles forever. Yeah, people making weak pokes in the game and not doing anything else is scummy, but how am I doing that, and especially given the context of what you're pointing out, which is in the early part of D1, the worst day of mafia to play on? (this is why replacements are superior)Because I still don't like your Cheez8 questioning and think it was a weak and lazy attempt to look productive, don't think the poking of Shadoweh is meaningful, and others.
Hey man, if I didn't say it, I didn't say it. But what's the relevance of this anyways?Just adding to the whole arrogance thing.
I dunno about you, but I dunno about you thinking that looks more than just a tack-on. Since you're saying differently, ball's in your court. How is that so?I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you saying that I would give more than "lol selery" is the main point.
::) This is why I think this push of yours is fake. Since when have I ever described your play like that? You know I've stated differently in the past.You have? I don't recall.
This is what I was talking about. It's complacency with the status quo as opposed to, you know, actually looking for scum.What if Serela is scum?!
Given that I explicitly said I had to go in the post, um, by reading it? The important thing is this. What's your reaction to that post now that you know that? The fact that there's absolutely no reevaluation from you after your supposed discovery of this fact is incredibly suspect.Did you?
I'm saying you're arguing that I'm scum based on shitty reasoning that I think is beyond you as town. Capiche?Okay then.
Sugoi monogatari, onii-chan.Isn't it?
I wasn't referring to your lack of activity there, but the complacency with the Serela vote for completely unexplained and mysterious reasons. See above.:3Well see above for me too or something.
...Which is a great position for scum to be in, true. It's also a great position for town to be in. This is the equivalent of saying that since I'm a human being I must be a female, ignoring that both males and females can be human.I didn't know you were a girl!
A toi, Dormio.A toi, Conquiche.
Because I see it as scummy. This isn't going to go anywhere like this.Good for you? It's not scummy though. Seriously, do you want me to bring up past examples of me doing stuff like that as town? Or would that be a useless venture because you'd keep harping on it regardless?
Because I still don't like your Cheez8 questioning and think it was a weak and lazy attempt to look productive, don't think the poking of Shadoweh is meaningful, and others.If we're going to use meta, I don't do "weak questioning" as scum. I just wait until people make dumb mistakes and just pounce on them without attempting to really dig in there. The poking of Shadoweh isn't meant to mean anything than to get her to post in a game she was supposedly pumped to sign up for. You're assigning motivations to my questioning like I'm a manipulative bastard carefully controlling my public image when I'm just asking people questions. What's up with that?
Just adding to the whole arrogance thing.Facts are facts no matter how much you spin them.
I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you saying that I would give more than "lol selery" is the main point.Well, it's not, and despite how you keep insisting it is, it still isn't (not to mention the main point always goes before the side points in writing but whatever). But how's this? Now that I've outright stated that my reason for suspecting you was not based on meta, what do you think about your statement that after posting mostly using logic I made a case on you solely through "meta?"
You have? I don't recall.Dude, I've talked to you enough about mafia that I don't believe that you believe that I believe that you tunnel on people as town just for the heck of it. If you're actually telling the truth here, what the fuck Dormio.
What if Serela is scum?!Given the way your approached your Serela vote and stated reasoning that's like NNR policy voting DNA and saying "but what if DNA is scum????" Also if Serela is scum, then you jumped off scum to attack town for ??? and I either hate you or want to lynch you with fire, depending.
Did you?Dormio, I'm not you, I don't ignore people, even when they piss me off I spend the time to yell at them until the mods warn me to back off or eat modkill. :colbert:
Oh, I actually parsed that differently.
I read it as you saying that you're just going to ignore SP for the time being to respond to me.
Re-evaluation comes later because right now I'm just responding to the points you're giving me because I'm trying to get $$$.
I didn't know you were a girl!Only on the internet. And I'm still town, so whatever? Lurking is beneficial to scum but are all lurkers scum?
I think it's more beneficial for scum so whatever.
SP I'm going to dissect your vote on Dan later but I have to go right now and:Actually I'm looking at this again to see how you could have parsed it differently and I'm not seeing it. >_>
Serela, sky paladin isn't voting for you on the "lying" thing anymore since I think it became pretty clear you just mixed up your words or whatever.No, he told me (again?) to stop lying after my actual not-messed-up post
You're assigning motivations to my questioning like I'm a manipulative bastard carefully controlling my public image when I'm just asking people questions.The thing is, I can actually kind of see you being a good enough player to control your image almost perfectly as scum. (probably because you did so in the very first game I saw here)
No, he told me (again?) to stop lying after my actual not-messed-up postOh, I missed that. Well, now I'm just confused. Will reread him again in a bit.
With 8 hours left, there should be something by now if he's scum.I hate you. :V Dormio's also totally capable of wall wars as scum; I'm mostly waiting for his reaction now I guess.
Cut by Serela.
What is the ACTUAL REASON you are voting for me?
Please drop the not sure what you are doing act and stop lying.
cheez has been disappearing forever already, I do not understand.D1s are still hard for me and they're harder still when looking at a computer screen for too long makes the back of my eyes hurt. Also I decided I should probably come to a conclusion on the Conq-Dormio debate before interrupting the Conq-Dormio debate, because otherwise I'd just be my usual waffley self and it wouldn't help anything.
And I apologize to cheez, I have been too concentrated on the quote wars and neglected to acknowledge your little blurb displaying your suspicion to conq,Hooray!
but still with your vote on dormio without any apparant reason given to how did you otherwise come to the conclusion dormio is scum without trusting conq's words, or something like that.um
you have my vote conq. Your own voice counts for 2 peopleIncoming multiple personalities.
did I ever mention that Oarfish was practically confirmed town since his first post?Oh hey, I think you're probably right about that. Missed that nuance the first time round.
Cheez, why do you specifically ignore the part where I nailed your blurb contains much waffling but little stance.Oh, sorry. I guess it's because I've been waffling so much during these games that I've just come to terms with it and kind of forgot that it meant anything.
If I were Dormio I would be asleep and/or in school right now.
If you're seriously going to hold the lynch hostage like this when no one is here fine but I don't think Mr. P is swingable.
##Vote: Sky Paladin
I'm too tired to think properly at this point, though, in any case >_> Debating which wagon I should shift onto because of impending deadline.What's the point in 'debating' when your trying to play off against other players that you are incapable of making a rational decision? Town should vote for the people they think they are scum, not pick the most popular wagon.
Trying to force a consolidate when there's over half a day left in the phase is scummy.Given how disorganized this town is, no. I've had to scream and kick for a Dormio lynch and I only have about 4 interested parties and it's a few hours to deadline. What's your justification for saying the Serela has been lying about motivation the entire game? Summarizing Serela's counterarguments as handwaving arguments and stalling tactics doesn't work because Serela hasn't been doing that in your case?
If it is pretty clear then it should be easy for you to quote your own post to highlight where and why.Highlight where Serela did what you were talking about, please.
Conqueror's spent the whole game poking people trying to get a weakness so he can drill 'em. Why would he go after players like Oarfish and leave ActionDan alone? Oarfish was actually voting for Dan at the time, until Conqueror poked him. Once the vote was gone, Conqueror left him alone.
It's clearly...Conqueror and Action Dan working together. I wish I had three votes. I'd vote you all.
If there's a detective, please check one of those two tonight. If there's a medic, please cover me. Pretty sure I'm dead otherwise.
What's your justification for saying the Serela has been lying about motivation the entire game? Summarizing Serela's counterarguments as handwaving arguments and stalling tactics doesn't work because Serela hasn't been doing that in your case?
Highlight where Serela did what you were talking about, please.I can't show you where Serela did it because I am saying SHE DIDN'T DO IT. I am asking her to do it, because of "I don't really know how to explain to SkyPaladin any clearer why I'm voting for him, because I thought I already made it pretty clear >_>; "Stop lying" is a blatant and unwarranted attack on my character without actually addressing anything, as well. It only makes me want to vote him more." which I actually quoted in the post that you replied to. The post in question is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061404.html#msg1061404).
Serious question, Sky. Do you have any proof of you making outrageous statements like this as town, where you confidently declare a scumteam on d1 and expect to be nightkilled?
Such a shame~~ Then why not vote for ActionDan? You can make a difference <3
and it obviously has been agreed on that Serela is not to be bothered because she's Serela.
Trying to force a consolidate when there's over half a day left in the phase is scummy.Half a day left is DEFINITELY when you need to be consolidating, especially when the last 7 hours are past midnight in US time. It's a miracle I'm even still awake at 2am right now. The current situation has been a good example that yes we did need to be consolidating by then, anyway.
And what if when Serela is scum?Not this again.
That's why in #Megatokyo, voting for me is a valid scumslip. I get killed pretty often early in the game.Actually for this alone i'd vote Sky_P. And i guess that would be scumslip and that would be bad. But worth a try. Because that's kind of scummy.
Or maybe you could vote for somebody you actually think is scum.Did he ever state anything to the contrary? Also, deadline is actually a thing, you know. It's not like we have the manpower to push 7 people onto a flashwagon with so many people absent.
IF dormio flips town CF7 is confscumOh, really?
CF7 for one is a sore thumb for stating both lynches are delicious and then tryharding plopping his vote on dormio, my instincts are screaming that he's scum looking to save paladin's assSorry where am i tryharding? Player makes quotewalls, makes some rather silly arguments and then suddenly disappear with deadline being close at is is.
If Dorm flips town sky is scum, if sky flips town dorm is scum, not that sure on the latter, but the former is almost most certainly true.If Dormio flips town then Sky_P is scum, as every other player who voted him. Shouldn't that be Conq who actually pushed for Dormio.
I should probably put it out there that I control the Fortress Populous vote.Curious, actually thought about this possibility. Doesn't make you any less scummy tho, since it can be used by scum as a defensive tactic too.
I don't know what to think about the two most feasible lynches both voting the third most feasible lynch option at roughly the same time. I'm pretty sure that's suspicious though.
shat happened to your beloved scteaam guesses
Well, I guess if either of us were scum, we'd have voted for the other person by now. I guess you could make an argument that we were both scum but if that's the case I would have thrown Dormio under a bus as soon as I saw Conq's walls. Because when I am scum, I am a dick.Didn't you just say something along the lines of you ignoring your scumbuddies completely in An Untitled Mafia? Or was that in Utena and I'm remembering things wrong? It's getting late here. :V
I guess you just have to deduce we are both town.
I'll get to it (Dormio) after I've finished my Dan post.I want this.
Well, I guess if either of us were scum, we'd have voted for the other person by now. I guess you could make an argument that we were both scum but if that's the case I would have thrown Dormio under a bus as soon as I saw Conq's walls. Because when I am scum, I am a dick.I kind of think you're right but at the same time there's definitely room for either of you two to wriggle out of a lynch, so I could kind of see you not wanting to throw him under the bus yet, or being talked out of it or something. It's really not convincing enough for me to have to deduce either of you are town. Especially Dormio.
I guess you just have to deduce we are both town.
Hey Dormio, what do you think of Sky_Paladin?Quick post to say what I see is an attempt to create a dichotomy between you and I which is pretty bad actually.
People who bought into that argument fairly early, though, are DarkninjaABC and ActionDan.This sentence is the first actual seems-more-likely-town-then-scum effort from SkyPal, but, it's outweighed by everything else.
It's my extra vote. It's also stuck on me for a while.when do you gain access to it?
But yeah I agree that Darkie actually somewhat makes sense this game, at least after rvs ended.this doesn't actually make him not-scum but it helps
I don't get a scum vibe from Dormio. I read it all over him in fruit mafia, but chickened out in the last second.Uhh I'm also a little confused about this given a few posts above you said this.
I think Dormio handled it really poorly. I think the vote on DarkNinjaABC was opportunity for him to escape.
My scumpicks are Serela, SB, and ActionDanWhat happened to Darkninja?
Cut by actual votecounts, except... they're significant different from eachother. oh wait the second is the right one, okay.I hope so, anyway. I don't trust myself too much either after forgetting to include the vote change from the person who requested the votecounts in the first place. >_>
Anyway, that SURE IS CONFIRMABLE, so if it doesn't happen we can just lynch him tomorrow
Serious question, Sky. Do you have any proof of you making outrageous statements like this as town, where you confidently declare a scumteam on d1 and expect to be nightkilled? If you do, link me, because holy shit the logic in this is wow. When did I ever go after Oarfish? Point me out. It should be easy for you to do so, right?
8: Flavor is delicious and thus you should eat it yourself and not share it with anyone. This includes character names. You?re all Urist.Oh, right.
Unlimited nightvig is holy shit. I don't even know anymore.His rolename is suspicious? Are you trying to get him modkilled? We're not even suposed to be claiming rolenames from the title. The first sentence is my thoughts though.
For the record, I expect there to be only one death tomorrow. :V I don't know what that will mean for Sky's alignment though. I'm mildly suspicious of the rolename Sky claimed but I don't have any proof Rai is consistent, so. >_> I'm starting to ramble now and I should have gone to sleep hours ago.
Dormio lynch is feasible I think.
Dormio; you are UristMcCatLady ? Cat Lover ? [Vanilla Hated Townie]
You are UristMcCatLady, that crazy cat lady with 50 cats who threaten the fort with a Catsplosion, but can?t be prevented because you refuse to let the butchers at them. As such, the town is perfectly happy to lynch you at the first opportunity they can get, so they can then solve the ?Cat Problem? without making you go insane. Did we mention that?s as a really bad idea seeing as you are a Legendary +5 SwordLady with an Adamantine Sword? You?d solo the whole fort if you ever lost it because of your cats dying. Anyway, you require 1 less vote than normal to be lynched. This will be represented by you starting with an extra vote by ?Fortress Populous?.
Looking after 50 cats is tiring. You sleep at night.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
Sky_Paladin; you are UristMcHammerer ? Dwarf Justice [Town Vigilante]
You are a Dwarf who delivers Dwarven Justice. This amounts to you beating up anyone who is thought of being a criminal. Usually to death. You have been given free rein to hammer people due to the Goblin threat; but only at night; else you may cause a Tantrum Spiral as other Dwarves see you. As such; you have the following ability:
##Hammer: Perform a Nightkill on your target
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
ActionDan; you are Urist Mc Sheriff ? Dwarf Sheriff [Town Cop]
You are the Dwarf who identifies the criminals and solves the cases, so ?Justice? can be applied. As such, every night, you may ##Investigate someone, and you will be told if they are a ?Dwarf? or not. Consider anything that is not a Dwarf as anti-town.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
Is it possible that Sky killed Dan, or can we tell?So with that in mind, Why did you think there was a third party kill here? The natural assumption when you see a vig and another person flip is that A killed B.
I guess it may also have been a third party kill
also the spear probably indicates goblins (mafia)
@Mod, are NNR and Zak still playing?
Also, how does order of operations work if there's a vigilante who shoots and also gets killed?
That's not how kills work..
kills happen last on mafia scales and generally at the same time, so you can't kill a killer before they kill
At least that's how I'd assume it works.
@Raikaria Can you just post action resolution in your first post or something
Uh, okay then?
@Raikaria, just to be clear, you are saying if a vigilante shoots someone in the same night in which the vig also dies, the vig shot does not happen?
Correct; the Vig is killed before he can fire his shot.Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuuuuck IM GOING TO BED IT IS TOO 6AM TO DEAL WITHTHIS SHIT
Correct; the Vig is killed before he can fire his shot.And considering that Vig kill was stopped. And ahem... Conq said that he was shot, and DNA said that he protected Conq. And we also have 2 corpses. Something doesn't add up. Like we can't have 4 kills in the single night? Unless there was 1-shot vig or something. And it's very likely that someone from above pair is lying.
This is disturbing.This is FUN!
This is !!FUN!!
its bloody obvious what has happenedenlighten us
Shadoweh, I used my dwarf skills and saw something involving Conq. I want him to give more details before I make a full engraving.Uh, more details about what? o_O
Actually i'm a bit concerned about Conq/DNA. They might be scum team. DNA's hammer and overall posts. Also it's not confirmable that Conq was shot and DNA actually protected him. And 3 kills per night in setup this small... I don't believe it. So.Even without my claim, the revelation that Sky would have died before he could have made his shot means there's still at least 3 kills per night. My information means there's 4 kills per night, which is bordering on the ludicrous, so again it would be nice if anyone would like to claim responsibility for Dan/SP.
oh, and i am gonna doc myself tonight.
also. i lied about self protect. i am a non csc self protect variant.Oh...
Anyway, I wouldn't be super surprised if Darkie doccing Conq successfully would still have this event occur, although it -would- be a hilarious way to have a doc fakeclaim outted. I'd ask the mod before assuming the roles do not interact this way.oh right
then i clarified in d2 i was actually a non consecutive self protect version of doctor and was gambitting night 1 by protecting conq. but apparently it failed. maybe due to conqs bp trigger in priority when hes shot, or i got roleblocked and didnt receive any confirmation regarding if it was sucess or fail.I highly doubt conq's bulletproof vest takes priority over a doctor rescue. That's like somebody's death taking priority over a doctor rescue. It doesn't make sense.
conq. i protected you.
So I asked about this and a BPV who was doc'd wouldn't be hit.suddenly, 1v1
Cheez, why are you turning this into a 1v1 between me and darkninja?It's the main thing I noticed when I woke up. Didn't mean to turn it into a 1v1.
suggesting a fifth kill is hilarious. sorry pal, this wont work. neverUm. Yes. I agree. That was my point in bringing it up, actually, because it's the only way I can see you both being honest, so I'm pretty sure you're not both being honest.
Also.I highly doubt conq's bulletproof vest takes priority over a doctor rescue. That's like somebody's death taking priority over a doctor rescue. It doesn't make sense.
The claimed cop getting bus drivendoc*
This IS a 1v1.
in this scenario, then conq couldve just confused every townie while giving off a harmless vibe to scum, seeing there is the doctor , aka me, who is likely to be protecting him every chance i get. which makes the kill less appealing because random factor.Why would Conq believe that you are likely to protect him? At the end of D1, you said you trusted Paladin. Shouldn't you have been protecting him instead?
i dont think its needed to ne said but scums obviously shot sp because they know hes vigdidn't Raikaria already state that Sky's shot wouldn't have gone off if he was NKed? That still leaves an extra shot from an unknown source.
Nope, try again.uh we have two sets of claimed night results that directly contradict eachother. You shouldn't both be town at this point, whether it's you or Darkie.
Why would Conq believe that you are likely to protect him? At the end of D1, you said you trusted Paladin. Shouldn't you have been protecting him instead?This 100% btw. Also if I were SK I wouldn't have shot Dan given he literally proxied his vote over to me.
3 antitown kills in a single night seems like massive overkill to me.That's pretty cool, but it's a fact. Not to mention that 3 antitown kills doesn't mean a mafia and 2 SKs. There are probably other shenanigans at work here.
How is it NOT a 1v1. He claims to have protected you. You claim to have been shot. Doctors prevent the BPV from being hit. Seems like a 1v1 to me.
uh we have two sets of claimed night results that directly contradict eachother. You shouldn't both be town at this point, whether it's you or Darkie.The only contradictory thing is the logic you people are using.
but yeah I've been discounting all of darkie's alternatives because they imply things that he should already know if this setup was run by most of the mods hereI don't know what this statement means given what happened in games like Town Mafia where Shadoweh lynched SB when she rolecopped him as the Bus Driver. Except the mafia bus drove him and Shadoweh wasn't notified so she was wrong.
darkninja are you seriously voting me because you think I'm SK?
If you people are going to play the role game then for chrissake at least play it right.I'm asking the mod all these questions and waiting for a response before laying down judgment, so I fail to see what I'm actually doing wrong here
dude its zakeri logic. "bully the wordy guy for content"
and why , after you have justified the above scenario being possible, you are not involvedHOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW IM JUST A BP TOWNIE
cheez. can you actually try to grasp my intentions. instead of just raising strawman argumentsI don't know what a strawman argument is.
look, i told everyone first thing in my incredibly long wall i was facing deadline with a really crappy phone. i decided at that point of time, i cannot type nor communicate properly thus, in order to prevent the town doc, me, from being lynched, i claimed and said i trust paladins CLAIM enough to not lynch him. because, as i have mentioned, i cant even defend for myself, how can i even rack back up 7 votes for paladin is beyond me
now i am going to wait as you connect my laziness to some omgus scumslip resulting in a crazy conspiracy logic in full bloomNope sorry, pretty sure being lazy has nothing to do with being scum
Also I can imagine Conq also being an SK caught in a hilarious fakeclaim here (in terms of the amount of nightkills after it was shown SkyPal's vig was disabled by death, which, by the way, has never been how it works in MotK before AS FAR AS I AM AWARE :V Not that that's a bad thing, it's just very unexpected, normally anyone who gets shot at and isn't protected will die) but the only reason to fakeclaim extra kills would be "Let's confuse the fuck out of town", albiet that can be a legitimate strategysince this pretty much seems to be why people are voting me someone like Shadoweh should get in here and confirm that I would 100% never make a QUALITY play like this as scum/sk. Every time I've been scum, I've claimed either VT or something close to my actual role, excluding my first scum game where I claimed something to troll Shadoweh. B) There was also a scum game where I claimed doc, but that was after rolecopping and killing the jailkeeper in a no-role-flip game.
anyway I'm not seriously suggesting this on conq but I just thought it was an amusing thought and that it is still somewhat realistic
then at least you couldve given us some ideas on whos the sk then, and why nobody has fessed up to your 'imaginary fourth nk guy'.Who the SK is = who fucking cares? Probably one of you people pushing this as a 1v1. Let the mafia take care of the SK.
but now you are just wasting my time without any progression on whos the scum or the sk if you arent the one.You're wasting my time by going BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE SCUM in response to everything I say.
then conq. WHO THE FUCK ARE THE SCUMS?
conq if you are the sk i would want you to die and leave our ppl alone considering town lost both their vig and tracker1) I'm not the SK.
theres still no material saying 4nks are now somehow okay 13p setup.And yet that's what happened here.
this game got reviewed by both bbm and hw. are you seriously going to tell me to BE THE BOMB COP LIKE IN IDOLMASTER and trust CRAZY IMBA NUMBER OF KILLSYou should see some of bbm/hw's setups on serenesforest.
this game got reviewed by both bbm and hw. are you seriously going to tell me to BE THE BOMB COP LIKE IN IDOLMASTER and trust CRAZY IMBA NUMBER OF KILLS
those questions are p worthless if we are srsly trying to game the setup which is sadly what we are doing.this is also a bad assumption. In fact, this is like, the worst assumption. You should absolutely always ask the mod questions about how roles interact if it's not completely 100% clear. The worst thing they can do is say they're not going to answer, which is completely harmless. Games have been lost because people don't ask the mod questions that THE MOD ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE ANSWERED.
Raikaria ignored me ;_;
raikaria plz if you're not going to answer you can at least tell me you're not going to answer (I'm assuming he just forgot or missed the questions/pm, it's easy to miss PMs if you don't have the setting on for the forum to yell at you)
he's still claimed doc, doubled back on what he said his role can do, has nothing to show for himself actually being doc, and didn't protect the person who would have made a lot of sense to protect.BS
BSWell, yeah, I guess that's partially true. I'm just bothered because to me Paladin seemed far and away the best option for the doc to protect, and he ~*~actually got shot~*~ too. I guess I'm still putting too much stock into what players' roles can contribute rather than what the players themselves can contribute but that won't stop it from bothering me.
Conq wasn't the vig, yeah, but he was far and away the best NK option for every other reason. He even ~*~actually got shot~*~!
You're also drastically overplaying the amount of "doubled back on his claim" Darkie did. The only thing he went back on was how often he's allowed to doc himself, which is understandable since docs doccing themselves is something that might deter scum from killing the doc (whether because "well he's not doccing someone else" or "well we can't kill him at least not without using a bunch of powers on him tonight" or etcetcetc, TL;DR there's some justification for such a minor lie as that)Actually that's a good point as well. I'll admit I'm kind of reaching with that one. Just to be sure though, doubling back to "clarify" a role's limitations is still more often a scumtell, right?
It's possible that Sky got redirected or something, but it seems like a weird kill for him to make. SK could make sense too, but given the numbers it seems sort of uncomfortable? Especially when it could result in 3 kills in a single night.
Really starting to worry about DNA now due to his end of phase conduct yesterday, the hammer seemed out of nowhere when Dormio still could've shown up and the fact that a Cop/Vig flipped and the doc is apparently able to self protect makes me worry.
>Day 2 starts at 5 AM
>Wake up 2 PM because getting decent sleep around here is hard
>already 5 new pages on top of the 10 pages I was too busy to get to last time
thanks England
Might replace out after all
Shadoweh, I used my dwarf skills and saw something involving Conq. I want him to give more details before I make a full engraving.
DNA is probably legit because of How Many Kills Are There In This Game?What does the large number of kills have to do with Darkie being honest or innocent? I don't really follow.
I apologize in advance for these words which may sound like insults.
This post seems kind of scummy. DNA hadn't posted yet today, and SB is simultaneously blaming him for Sky's death and acknowledgeing his ability to self-protect. If I had roleblocked DNA and killed Sky, I might have wanted to blame DNA and possibly get him lynched, but casting doubt on him by lessening the validity of the blame seems a mistake. Possibly a scumtell.
There's been no CC and there are AT LEAST 4 killing roles. Something has to stop them.Well, yeah, I can't imagine that there's not a doctor. At the same time though, since there are at least four killing roles, would it be unreasonable to assume that there's a second doctor, or at least a second protective role of some fashion? Regardless of whether Darkie's telling the truth, if somebody other than Darkie is a doctor, I don't think it would be too far-fetched for that person to look at all of the killing roles at the start of Day 2 and hold off on a counterclaim.
...I may not know many conditional scum roles but the last one I saw had, among others, the condition to hammer someone, does it ring a bell?
but since its conditional why would it be fufilled n1. ...
...Yes? If you think you caught one of the killers who isn't Sky p. you should out them, since it doesn't sound like anyone is going to take credit for the kills anytime soon.
Ugh do I really have to do thisno
Assuming massclaim is A-OK then the people after Shadoweh should be CF7 then maybe Dorian or Zakeri, then Cheeze, then SB and Me. That's only my super biased opinion, though.In that order, I take it?
And/or also seeing more reasons to keep voting DNA if I'm reading things right.I kinda want to know why you're so convinced about darkninja scum though?
We know about two successful kills, one supposed kill attempt and a mod confirmed vig shoot that failed. No one claimed to be responsible for one of them, so I think we can rule out another town killing role. Which leaves the conditional extra scum kill and that leads to the question, ? I may not know many conditional scum roles but the last one I saw had, among others, the condition to hammer someone, does it ring a bell?Are you suggesting that that's the case here? Also, with so many kills, what are the odds of town not having a protective role like doctor (although massclaim isn't finished yet)?
...Maybe, it was mostly a side note to the case that began to unfold in my head and about the doc dilemma, a claim that fits into a setup doesn't make it true beyond doubt, there are more ways to get protection. Yesterday we had a BP claim and we got a bodyguard today, pretty noisy to make it sound, isn't it?
Are you suggesting that that's the case here? Also, with so many kills, what are the odds of town not having a protective role like doctor (although massclaim isn't finished yet)?
Basically, if I am not lying as a doctor, I am eventually going to have to screw up my self protect and die in nightkills. Or just to have scum deem me a big enough threat to powerblock and kill me anyway if I value their attention. Leave that silly debate later when its actually going to be somewhat relevant. Right now however, you don't want to waste more time listening to those crap arguments against a non-cced doctor in a minimum 3nk setup who could've chosen a much easier night action claim.
In other words, this is something which can be left later, don't waste my precious time please, I might only live one more day, if you trust me that I am not lying. I for one knows that I am saying the truth, so all those scumbags advocating for my lynch have to be scum because its pointless, or has semen filling their skull.
Just stfu about me already and leave it later if I actually manage to survive shit, which I don't want to because its tiring to dismantle shitty arguments as they involves pointing out the most basic logical errors and doing explaination.
dorians posts carry the vibe of subbed scum who wasnt really able to process and digest the gamestate properly or was just deliberately derailing us.VT is not out of the question.
and he claimed vt
vt for gods sake
CF7: At this point he's confirmed scum anyway, from both votals, avoidance of ED1 entirely even when online by the systematic tracking of [classified]. The only problem remains is probably, when do we want him dead?I like how you ignore my claim, paint me as a confirmed scum (confirmed by your words alone). Now we go along with your awesome plan, lynch a townie and bring mafia a bit close to the victory.
You claim doublevoter d2My double vote is one time use only.
Dormio claim was a doublevoter d1.
You didn't counterclaim him
You also didn't vote him either just for lying in our faces
There's nothing stopping Mod from making 2 roles with double votes.
...Actually scratch that, I just went back and actually checked and CF7 didn't actually do what you said. After Dormio claimed CF7 still chose to keep his vote on him for a while. He did kind of switch to you at the last moment, which is definitely strange given his claim, but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
I can make sense of that, though, yeah. CF7's claim doesn't really translate to his actions very well. At all.
I am willing to stop him just forthat. Because I am an assholeNot a doc mindset at all. Not a townie mindset for that matter.
And sk kill either zak, cheez or dorian. If you actually want a sporting chance else worst case scenario is we do not lynch the roleblocker nor bus driver and we are all fucked.Who says that sk will go along with that plan?
So basically if you co-op with us temporarily at least this night you have a chance to win. Elsewise nope.
I am willing to drop my case on shadoweh temporarily because the fuckup is too massive to ignoreHow about you stop targeting a town player and look for an actual scum? Seriously try it. Might be !!FUN!!.
I don't even give a fuck right now. There's no two roles with double votes, dormio was lying in the first place and died. Have you even watched him flip.Hey. Question.
Oh and you also said that you are a chicago voter.I did. He was hated. That is it.
On top of one shot doublevote
I don't even give a fuck right now. There's no two roles with double votes, dormio was lying in the first place and died. Have you even watched him flip.
Actually scratch that, I just went back and actually checked and CF7 didn't actually do what you said. After Dormio claimed CF7 still chose to keep his vote on him for a while. He did kind of switch to you at the last moment, which is definitely strange given his claim, but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
Hey. Question.
If there aren't two roles with double votes, and Dormio didn't actually have a double vote...
What's the problem?
What the fuck happened while I was at school.
and since you two are obviously still online, I assume you two are busy reconciling in the back alleys of your dingy scum basement to discuss or rage so that you won't accidentally screw up even more by defending your scumbuds,Do you want to be at L-1?
@MOD
If A visited B but was hooked by C, would D see A visiting B or would they see A not visiting?
1.Darkie, haven't you noticed, that i switched my vote to NNR/Doriano after i sort of believed your doc claim?1. EVEN IF you sort of believed my doc claim you never talked about it, how could we know. Besides, as you are bringing something else up I assume that you are acknowledging your d1 hiatus was unrefutably scummy
2. Also i switched from Dormio to you, because you were the only alternative at that moment.
3.Also don't deny that your hammer was kind of suspicious.
Do you want to be at L-1?
For BOLDED shit:CF7 does have very little to show for himself, true. I'm not arguing that. But if you honestly think that the only noteworthy thing CF7 did is switching his vote to you, then I don't know what to say other than you're wrong and probably acting a little too self-centered.
For ITALLICS crap:How long is a while? I don't know. It's long enough for him to post once saying he's leaving his vote on Dormio, retract his vote to look at the big picture, then place his vote back on Dormio.
For UNDERLINED faeces:I am not comparing his cases. He has hardly made any cases to compare. I am saying that your accusations are just you overblowing the importance of somebody voting for you and it's starting to make me feel a lot less bad about distrusting you.
Even after dormio's flip which has told everyone he's just hated.I don't understand how this is incriminating at all. If anything, it seems like the opposite to me. Please make more sense.
and since you two are obviously still online, I assume you two are busy reconciling in the back alleys of your dingy scum basement to discuss or rage so that you won't accidentally screw up even more by defending your scumbuds,I was busy trying to make sense of the loud and angry nonsense of you talking about various forms of poop. Cut me some slack. Your logic isn't the easiest thing in the world to follow, you know.
ohhh my goood you are threatening me with VOTALS and STUFF because YOU ARE THE SCUM.Just to prove my claim i suppose...
CF7 does have very little to show for himself, true. I'm not arguing that. But if you honestly think that the only noteworthy thing CF7 did is switching his vote to you, then I don't know what to say other than you're wrong and probably acting a little too self-centered.I am self centred but I am not wrong, That's irrelevant and shows to your irritation. Also I am damn sure I mentioned countless times about everything CF7 did and even you yourself just said in the LAST SENTENCE RIGHT THERE CF7 MADE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR HIMSELF. Also why are you even defending and befriending the guy who had little to show and obvious operates on an impossible mindset when you could've questioned him instead?
How long is a while? I don't know. It's long enough for him to post once saying he's leaving his vote on Dormio, retract his vote to look at the big picture, then place his vote back on Dormio.I am not comparing his cases. He has hardly made any cases to compare. I am saying that your accusations are just you overblowing the importance of somebody voting for you and it's starting to make me feel a lot less bad about distrusting you.:V
I don't understand how this is incriminating at all. If anything, it seems like the opposite to me. Please make more sense.Can you just not throw ad hominim at me when you are losing at logic and make more sense instead? Thanks~~~~!!! :D
But you accusing me is unacceptable because I know full well this time everyone follows me.Your smugness really isn't helping matters either, you know.
Actually it just made my post way too long and I didn't like how it looked. I "ignored" most of what you typed because most of what you typed was both untrue and irrelevant to what I actually said.Okay, so you are deliberately twisting my words to your favour and defend the bits your like, caw caw.
I sure don't mean to defend CF7 (at least not now) because you and him seem to have started a little race to become the scummiest poster recently. The one thing CF7 has to show for himself is the double vote, assuming it's not a bluff, because even a one-shot double voter scum in a game with a hated townie seems skewed to me. Maybe the idea was to give town more power during the night and scum more power during the day or something, which would be neat. Actually, yeah, that extra vote doesn't really mean as much.Hey, why are you pre-amping for the extra vote and even bothered to make it a majority of your post? You even went as far as to ignore my arguments, as well as everything you said falling apart, to come up and pre amp the IF TEH VOTE IS GONNA WORK, CF7 is PROLLY TOWN because roleshens that I literally cannot follow (was it that, a scum with doublevote and hated town in a setup is subjectively bad? lol)
Also I still don't trust you fully because two fully functional protective roles is hard for me to swallow, even in this kill-happy setup.Its simple, shadoweh and you are both lying.
Your smugness really isn't helping matters either, you know.
And if you are gonna choose a fakeclaim don't make something so bloodily obviously fake.The problem is, that it's not a fake claim.
I mean chicago doublevoter? lol, more like activator scum (posts a command that gets modconfirmed to do something, but in reality does nothing). But in this case, with fake votes.
And even that ''doublevote'' just now was fueled by no reason at all, sans that he's probably pissed.
this pointless struggle.QFT&E.
Fore the sake of sanity will I leave the role implication out for the moment and only look at Ninjas content.So you are going to ignore your scumbuddies futzed up claim and backtrack on things? That's so absolutely helpful and not wasting more time diverting attention from the currently super condemning edvidence that is impossible claims. Moreover, my claim logic is easy. Its just outright unreasonable and insane for CF7 to be town doublevoter, that's it.
First point, his scum picks:I don't heed the big problem with lynching the lurkers, for I have always advocated for the death of null reads who are impeding us. Besides, that is when oarfish claimed nothing, dormio was still lurking and incriminating as ever and shadoweh a lurker also. You dislike it being bad in hindsight because its in HINDSIGHT. The bit about Cheez is both due to his lurk and waffling, that he never had a clear stance. I didn't call him scum outright because I gave him the credit of doubt and that I lacked any condemning edvidence at that time. Therefore I dropped him, and advocated for the lynching of lurkers, problem?
Aside from RVS and his short dispute with Conq was his first suspect Cheez and that for the better part of day one until ?this point? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061502.html#msg1061502). What I find interesting about this post is that the only thing he said about Cheez here is: ?cheez has been disappearing forever already, I do not understand.? which by all means doesn't sounds like a change of mind but he dropped him entirely in favor of his new scum team ?oarfish/shadoweh/dormio? two supposed lurker and his counter wagon at said time, which strikes me as quite opportunistic.
Even his later post ?here? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061505.html#msg1061505) doesn?t explains the sudden drop in priority nor does it actually sounds like he dropped his suspicion on Cheez at all. No, he even goes that far and questioned his own current vote with: ?... I realized the likeliness that if cheez is scum from such, then dormio must be town. ? I'll come back to this at a later point.Eh.....Maybe you should read up on implications. There is much that can be deferred from tone, style and generally how a person speaks. Since I am typing out everything without any proofreading nor trimming, it should be incredibly easy to track my behavior. Just saying ''one post doesn't prove everything'' doesn't come to ''therefore the rest of the posts are wrong'' conclusion.
In his ?next post? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061507.html#msg1061507) he said that he's ?still absolutely okay with lynching oarfish, serela, nnr, shadoweh or dan so saying.? mostly on a LAL policy but he still ?advocating the lynch on dormio because I feel that its the only possible option for a lynch given the tight deadline and the existing wagons.? I can say that is alone is already a questionable wide field of suspicion as it is but apparently not enough for him, cause he adds SP and CF7 to his list at the end of day one.So the big idea in this bit is that everything I did was an inconsistent and incoherent mess before I latched onto the correct scums.
Now take his day two picks where he started with CF7 just to flip flop on SK Conq and ended up voting me, a lurker slot that he barely even mentioned all game, over one of his supposed scum picks. And you will agree with me that this is a inconsistent and incoherent mess.
Second point, lining up mislynches:Sincerely, I also have no idea if you ignoring my later apology and explaination of that I was incapable of posting well formulated responses in the face of the greatly disunadvantageous situation to me D1 and to properly acknowledge the situation I was in at that point to accept that the hammer is justified ages ago....Well, I have a question, is your sanity that important? Because right now I am losing mine. For that you are telling us to ignore every response and role interaction in lieu of trusting your crackpot theories, I am sorry, but I cannot oblige.
The above mentioned line about Cheez and Dormio is only one of three attempts to setup false dichotomys, the other two are ?here? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061561.html#msg1061561) and ?here? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1061566.html#msg1061566). What made him think that Cheez waffling has any compelling implications on Dormios alignment? And when he really saw an implication, then why haven't he considered the possibility of town Dormio a bit more? No, he rather went into the next one: ?IF dormio flips town CF7 is confscum? and that's because: ? CF7 for one is a sore thumb for stating both lynches are delicious and then tryharding plopping his vote on dormio, my instincts are screaming that he's scum looking to save paladin's ass? and ?If Dorm flips town sky is scum, if sky flips town dorm is scum, not that sure on the latter, but the former is almost most certainly true.? and if both flip town then CF7 is apparently scum nevertheless cause that's the vote you started the day with.
Sincerely, if that wasn't meant to paint someone red in case the other flips fist then I have no idea what it meant at all.
And finally the third point, his over defensive position:OMG its finally about over.
I already pointed out how disconnected his suspicions are from a town perspective, now lets try to reconnect them in a scum perspective. First, it's a interesting fact that he dropped Cheez just at the time when said one voted Dormio, the same goes for the sudden suspicions on Oarfish and Shadoweh. I already said what I think about his Dormio vote and his end of day vote pattern is nothing less than cheerful notme over me wagon hopping.
Ninjas first vote this day may be the only halfway consistent thing he had done all game if he wouldn't have dropped supposed ?confirmed scum? to entertain us with excessive ITP panic which he then also dropped to sheep exactly the one he supposed as SK before.
Conclusion: my vote stays where it is.
PS: that was torture and I somehow got the feeling that I was cut by something even more disturbing but I'm in for a drink anyway.^^;;
PPS: Good, at least it wasn't a hammer and to make sure that it stays that way ##: Unvote
I'm the one-shot trapper. I'm pretty much guaranteed to be the fourth NK from last night.
I decided to give it to Shadoweh because I figure town roles are the least likely to target her.
I'm not told when, if, or who sets off my Trap, so I don't actually know who I killed, but I asked yesterday while we were discussing things, and Raikaria confirmed that because of how my ability works, it has highest priority in move order.
? So you are going to ignore your scumbuddies futzed up claim and backtrack on things? That's so absolutely helpful and not wasting more time diverting attention from the currently super condemning edvidence that is impossible claims. Moreover, my claim logic is easy. Its just outright unreasonable and insane for CF7 to be town doublevoter, that's it.Oh, you overrated my ability to write such a wall in time that you think it could be an reaction to any thing that happened lately.^^; Also, have you heard about a concept called context? If I make a case on you based on your content then the role claims of other player are of course irrelevant, which doesn't mean that I ignore them. I mean what role implication are there that could affect my read on you anyway? You claimed Doc which is still unproven, Period. You misrepresentation attempt is noticed
Next in line to my interest are Zakeri and Shadoweh, mostly because I doesn?t remember anything they did.
I'm pretty sure I crumbed the fact I had a shot several times .Could you point your crumbs out just for completion's sake?
There's been no CC and there are AT LEAST 4 killing roles. Something has to stop them.
(i feel like this setup would make more sense if conq is scum, 4+nightkills is sort of ridiculous)
except shadoweh can't be sk because cheez claimed to have jailed shadoweh??????According to Oarfish she ended up visiting you anyway though, and at this point things have reached a point where somebody absolutely has to be lying and my money is on either Oarfish or Shadoweh to start with. If you ended up hurt, either Shadoweh didn't visit you or Shadoweh isn't a bodyguard.
I'm pretty sure there's a 1v1 between Cheez and O4rfish though so I dunno if we should ignore roles entirely?Probably, and I think there's a 1v1 between Shadoweh and Oarfish too.
I'm pretty sure there's a 1v1 between Cheez and O4rfish though so I dunno if we should ignore roles entirely?See here's the thing; I don't see Oarfish!scum coming out with a fake track like that, nor do I see Cheez!scum faking a jail on someone who was publically tracked (unless he forgot?). Even if there's a scum between them, I feel like there are other role shenanigans involved in this. I'd have to reread both players' play to be sure though.
I guess we could use my role to prove Cheez's? I shoot at him and he hooks me and we see if he turns up dead or not.Given the likelihood of antitown interference I'd rather you just use the cop because, well, cop.
Maybe we should just go back to scumhunting over rolegaming.Yeah. I think Dorian is a good vote; I'm not convinced his tunnel on darkninja is genuine.
strongwilled roles cannot fail (go through hooks/safeguards, sometimes redirects too) but a strongwilled kill can still be protected from etcI see.
...Unfortunately not much, that Ninja case took me longer than I expected, so I didn't came around to read Shadoweh yet.
dorian, what do you think about not!darkninja? also did this result in anything?
...Oh, is there a specific reason why you think so or is it just gut?
Yeah. I think Dorian is a good vote; I'm not convinced his tunnel on darkninja is genuine.
And the Zakeri read wasn't actual that productive but there is one thing that makes me wonder, that he was too quiet in the NK discussion when you think about his claim. I mean that he lurks is nothing new but he never struck me as the kind of guy who would hold back vital information if he's town and to know the origin of the third NK is a vital information. His one-shot role had already fulfilled it's purpose so why still keeping it a secret?Although this is actually a good and valid point.
Also, why wasn't there even the slightest reaction to O4rfishs tracking result? Doesn't his action lead to the assumption that tracking Shadowh would be fatal?
##Vote: NekoNekoRex reasoning has made no changes since last time I voted except for intensifying.would also want clarification on what this meant because i have no idea how your original reasoning could have intensified given nnr posted literally nothing.
Gut, mostly. It felt like you went through all his posts with the idea of painting him as scum instead of evaluating them with a neutral mindset and coming to the conclusion naturally.Let me say it like that, that guy has currently two town reads (O4rfishs and you) and the rest are either scum reads he want's to lynch or null reads where he's also willing to lynch them on policy. So, yes I have indeed a hard time to see that naturally.
...Why didn't I think of voting myself? maybe because it's 1AM and I'm not sober.^^;;
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
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I mean that he lurks is nothing new but he never struck me as the kind of guy who would hold back vital information if he's town and to know the origin of the third NK is a vital information. His one-shot role had already fulfilled it's purpose so why still keeping it a secret?I wasn't keeping it a secret, the idea of claiming didn't occur until after I left for bed last night. Also my claim didn't really add anything until massclaim happened, everybody had already figured out there were four possible NKs on night one. Besides, "I shot somebody but I don't know who" doesn't really feel like a good way of confirming my status as functionally vanilla town.
would also want clarification on what this meant because i have no idea how your original reasoning could have intensified given nnr posted literally nothing.NNR posting literally nothing was what intensified it. That's also why I didn't feel the need to expand or restate it.
I wasn't keeping it a secret, the idea of claiming didn't occur until after I left for bed last night. Also my claim didn't really add anything until massclaim happened, everybody had already figured out there were four possible NKs on night one. Besides, "I shot somebody but I don't know who" doesn't really feel like a good way of confirming my status as functionally vanilla town.When you compare what we would have learned with what you would be risking, it doesn't make too much sense to hide it. At the very least, once Oarfish brought up tracking Shadoweh, shouldn't you have figured the possibility of figuring out what the trap actually accomplished (or letting us know where the third kill came from) was more important than concealing your functional vanilla townie status? It's not like you would have had much of a reason to keep your role under wraps anymore.
But Cheez, despite lacking in any form of protection and was sure to be the first who hit Zak didn't die.Don't know where you think you're getting these kinds of information?
Zak claim is false.
Cheez8 has to be lying. Jailer has higher priority over cop, which means he would have been killed by Zak."Cheez8 must be lying, because Zak is not town and lied about his role that he's also telling the truth about."
Zak is probably SK, since his kill has first activation meaning third-party.
SHUT UP AND STOP ROLESHENS
MotK has a lot lot lot of games where town tried to game the setup and it blew up in their faces, let's not add another.Hoiy shit Serela is that really you? :o
With how Serela is acting now basically I now have a reason to somewhat trust shadoweh more with his bodyguard claim.
because holy shit serela making common sense.
By any degree, cf7/cheez/ dorian or serela being scumteam is confirmed
and Zak fessing up for responsibility in the kill also just points to him being sk because scum most certainly won't do that.
unlike you who would like to dwell endlessly on paradoxes and assume everyone isn't lyingOnly time I did that was when advocating massclaim.
er, if that was too vague; without getting into the Cheez8 part (basically, we can't even assume cheez8 even hit Shadoweh at all last night, or that Zakeri's trap hit Shadoweh either) just on Zakeri, you're assuming he's third party based on what he claimed.
But, if Zak is third party, there's no reason to believe the role he claimed is actually his killing method. (the one shot part at the very least would have to be a lie; but the entire thing very well could be.)
Too many of the actions from last night very obviously didn't work as we've been told, so we just can't trust that any of them did as said. We don't know the setup.
Cut by Darkie. Skimmed. Don't care. Night actions are too much of a mess, almost anyone could be lying and there's multiple ways the scumteam could have acted to screw things up, and there very well may be an unconventional role screwing it all up.
Gaming. Setups. Is. Risky.
Gaming the setup when you only have one night of actions and they don't make the slightest bit of sense sends the risk into "why the fuck are you even trying" territory.
If anything that's been assumed is wrong, which is highly likely, you pretty much just took a blind shot in the dark with the lynch.
Let's, you know, lynch people the standard way. CF7 and Zakeri have done some scummy shit, let's lynch them. Game the setup later when there's more flips for confirmed roles and more sets of night action data to look at.
Also, this is, uh, basically the first time I've dealt with the Jailer role. Now that I can ask, I should be trying to protect active contributors who don't have power roles, right? Or should I be using it to roleblock people I don't trust every so often, even if I risk accidentally saving them?
Wondering: Cheez, what were you aiming for with your Shadoweh jail/why Shadoweh?Most of it was that I didn't want to roleblock Paladin, and while I didn't really trust you or Darkie and considered roleblocking either of you, I figured I didn't want to accidentally save either of you, either.
Hey Raikaria, if we had only nine players alive, and assuming someone was legit double voter, would the extra vote change the req from five votes to six votes?
...Good, given that you thought your role wouldn't add much to the discussion. I can't agree with it but I can understand that to some degree.
I wasn't keeping it a secret, the idea of claiming didn't occur until after I left for bed last night. Also my claim didn't really add anything until massclaim happened, everybody had already figured out there were four possible NKs on night one. Besides, "I shot somebody but I don't know who" doesn't really feel like a good way of confirming my status as functionally vanilla town.
@Mod: In which order would the abilities of jailkeeper, tracker and cop occur?
Zak pushing Cheez solely on rolestuff isn't making me feel better about that lynch fwiw.This makes me further consider a Zakeri lynch, however. The super unreliable night actions are his only reason for pushing Cheez over others and at the start of D2 his case was "well nnr only posted once so far so let's lynch him".
I didn't even read the post*YET
Meanwhile there's multiple reasons for why Cheez's role didn't interact properly with the other supposed things that happened.
Meanwhile there's multiple plausible reasons for why Cheez's role could have not interacted properly with the other supposed things that happened.fix'd
The former argument can be easily disproved if Cheez8 claimed right then, Cheez have shown over the course of D1 and even till now that he thinks that I am scum, questions my D1 hammer and generally distrusts me entirely.Never actually mentioned anything about you actually hammering D1- I didn't find that suspicious with everything that was going on. If you insist that I questioned your hammer, please find some proof!
Well, yeah, I can't imagine that there's not a doctor. At the same time though, since there are at least four killing roles, would it be unreasonable to assume that there's a second doctor, or at least a second protective role of some fashion? Regardless of whether Darkie's telling the truth, if somebody other than Darkie is a doctor, I don't think it would be too far-fetched for that person to look at all of the killing roles at the start of Day 2 and hold off on a counterclaim.The surrounding discussion with SB near the bottom of Page 17 gives more context, but regardless, this is why. Perhaps it's not the best logic to use, but it was what was going through my head as I read through the start of Day 2.
CF7 knew he's the doublevoter, but when dormio claimed doublevoter, he happily ignored everything, much like how Cheez8 did to me D2. And let everyone panic over the mindfuck.Oh right I forgot that part. Dormio why did you claim doublevoter when you're actually hated >_>;
Oh right I forgot that part. Dormio why did you claim doublevoter when you're actually hated >_>;
Whatever we can lynch CF7 and Zak in whichever order :T They both look pretty bad.
Anyway, this doesn't change the fact that you're still overzealous about roleshenanigans. "CF7 is obviously lying about his role" is retarded because you have no way of knowing if he's actually chicago or not, and his role is even half-proven already. Only the mafia should need to be embellishing things to make stuff look better, stick to the truth and stop painting things red, we lynch people in the face for doing that kind of crap.
Cut by, I still have no idea why doctor and jailer can't coexist in a setup with this much killing and apparent town-stopping power. You're overplaying the amount of use the town gets from massclaims, especially since the scum knowing who the jailer/doc are makes it even easier for them to nullify their roles when they have the powers to do so. Anyway, yeah I already said it'd make sense for the jailer to be mafia but it could realistically be town still. I'd rather lynch CF7/Zak first, and I think that goes for most of the players here (only Zak/Shad/CF7 aren't voting that way), so drop it until you have more evidence to use for super roleshenanigans ranttime, you have plenty of good targets to go after already.
Oh jeez, it's too late. I have to start getting ready for work so I can not be late.
YES I'M GETTING A LITTLE EMPHATIC ;_;
So for the nail in the coffin. Cheez, you told us the reason you thought it was okay to not claim because you genuinely believed Jailer can tie in with Doctor.Yes, this went through my head, but it was counteracted with "hey something is wrong with three roles that get to kill every night, there's a chance Darkie is telling the truth after all so maybe I shouldn't let scum know who else can protect people." And while I can't say I'm fully aware of role balance, I know enough about it to believe that two protective roles in a setup with 3 nightly kills plus extra is definitely not outside the realm of possibility.
As I have told you, it is a balantly impossible mindset which must not have occured. Because for it to happen you have to be entirely unaware of role balance, role interaction and such. Worse still, even those who do not fully grasp the precise logic balance properly should have a sense of ''hey something is wrong with two unlimited protection roles i should claim to clarify things for us''.
But no, you demonstrated you have a keen awareness on how roleshen works (imo). And you not even asking nor claiming is unacceptable because you essentially confronted me without any material crumbing to a mindset of a conflicting protective role. Everything which relates to you being Jailer can only be seen in posts after your claim, I (personally) am incapable of seeing your posts through day 1 & 2 before your claim yield the perspective of you being conflicted in any way, shape or form, enlighten me if you can actually tell me why is that.I think you'll find that my discussion with SB at the bottom of Page 17/top of Page 18 would come from the mindset of a Jailer, at the very least. In fact, that was when he convinced me to counterclaim you. I wanted to make sure you had a claim that you would be forced to stick with though because 1) I could see you fibbing about the semantics of your role even as town, and 2) I thought that if you were a town doc, you'd have at least some sort of drawback to balance out the existence of a Jailer as well. I guess I thought you'd be back a lot sooner than you actually were though.
Oh, and who are you planning to target anyway?
I wanted to make sure you had a claim that you would be forced to stick with though because 1) I could see you fibbing about the semantics of your role even as town, and 2) I thought that if you were a town doc, you'd have at least some sort of drawback to balance out the existence of a Jailer as well.What I mean by this is that I assumed you were either town lying about your role or scum lying more about your role, and wanted to know what your actual final claim would be while ensuring that you couldn't wriggle out of it. I'm surprised you stuck with full doc, honestly.
Doctor > BodyguardWell, I got that much already. What I'm wondering about is the question, is a fancy last minute claim enough to go from ?I think he's lying scum? to ?100% trustworthy, must protect?? I mean didn't you claimed to have high standards (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16152.msg1062071.html#msg1062071) when it comes to the use of a protection role?
I was pretty sure he was lying about self protecting so etc
...This should clearly tell us to be careful about any kind of rolespeculation.
Disclaimer: This is the first mafia setup I have ever run. Balance cannot be assured. Especially as Prims didn't answer when I contacted him with my revised setup.
Also tbh, i really don't care at this point if i'm lynched or not. After all my "Awesome Ability"? is spent, and after today's day end i'm basically a VT.Not caring about being lynched at this point where there's so much fuckery going around in this game is :psyduck:
##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
CF7, that is incredibly unhelpful. What are you opinions on who is scum?Maybe Zak, maybe Shadoweh, maybe Doriano. I'm not focused on the game enough after that burnout.
It's my extra vote. It's also stuck on me for a while.
Okay. I'm a little confused. Can i see votecount atm. And
##unvote
for now. Need time to rethink all this.
Hm... Unlimited vig sounds op. Also we can lynch Dormio or DNA. Well, can go back to Dormio. Since i'm not convinced that his role is a town role.
Actually, screw it.
##Vote Dormio.
I'll be around the deadline. Also i still have some doubts.
##Unvote
##Vote Darkninjaabc
...I should probably put it out there that I control the Fortress Populous vote.Curious, actually thought about this possibility. Doesn't make you any less scummy tho, since it can be used by scum as a defensive tactic too.
Spent whole day playing Dragon's Crown. Go me.
Also tbh, i really don't care at this point if i'm lynched or not. After all my "Awesome Ability"? is spent, and after today's day end i'm basically a VT.
##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
Also i double-voted claimed doc, just to prove my point. It might be illogical, stupid, suicidal, you name it, i'm just fed up with Darkie's BS.
Zakeri; you are Urist Mc GreenSpearman: Goblin Spearman [Mafia One-Shot Ambusher]
You are not actually a Dwarf, but the Urists are too stupid to notice. You snuck into their military, and they gave you a spear! You?ll be sure to put it to good use... even if it looks a little flimsy. What do you expect of something made by the Urists?
Each night, you may use one of these actions:
##Kill: Perform the mafia nightkill. You cannot do this if some other member of the mafia is.
##Ambush: Lurk outside a target?s room for the night. If they leave their room, you?ll ambush them and kill them. Unfortunately, you?ll get found out if you ?volunteer? for patrol duty twice in such a short time, so this is a one-shot. Even the Urists are smart enough to notice something is up if you volunteer for patrol too often!
You win when your faction can control the lynch without outside assistance. Good luck!
O4rfish; you are UristMcHunter ? Dwarf Tracker [Town Tracker]
You are UristMcHunter, and your skills lie in tracking and hunting prey to feed the other Urists. You work at night, and with the recent events, you?ve decided to keep track of your fellow Dwarves as well in case of betrayal. Every night, you may ##Track a target, and will be told of anyone who that person visits.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
LYLO and MYLO will be announced. Potential will not be.@mod, could you clarify what this means?
@mod, could you clarify what this means?
CF7 being scum counterwagon is a thing.That was actually my plan too but now is it 5AM, so I call it a night.
Want to lynch Shadoweh at the moment, waiting for night action results to all be claimed.
Ahem. Yes, i double voted my scum buddy. Becaus
e it was the only logical thing as a scum to do.
On a more serious note, i believe i mentioned several times that i suspected Zak.
As for today. I can vote for Shadoweh i guess.
on the other hand i dont really know what to response to conq and dorian.
mainly due to how their argument on me being scum is because i confused even myself in roleshens and did stupid crap. of which serela snapped me out of it.
CF7, did you know that your vote on Zak was the hammer?I did.
DNA's Conq case is bad since BPVs on strong players benefit town and scum and doesn't actually say why he's scummy playerwise (and now Zak flipped as scum extra kill I now feel infinitely better about him since I thought he could be bsing. He could still be actually but I think it's less likely?)I would like to address two problems in this.
I didn't shoot CF7 considering inspect is more powerful.
I am never against conq as a player, I am against his role because in this setup it is definitely possible to have scum lose instantly.1) You're assuming that everyone else is telling the truth about their roles.
bpv is honestly uncommon for townIt's not.
scum is unlikely to gambit away that one conditional nk first thingWhy not? Actually, this makes me think; why didn't they just ambush you N1? You were claimed doc, and the probability of you not using your protect was close to nil.
The more darkninja posts the more I consider the possibility of him being a mafia doctorsame
The way you keep accusing me of your own role is pretty cheeky too. As long as no one tries to kill you again at least you'll probably win, right?>implying implications
Dorian: Gut via play and Zakeri interactions, plus the fact that she got tracked to me the night I got shot. Her being mafia wouldn't be super surprising, although it would mean I read her wrong initially.Can you give me an example for it?
...
Can you give me an example for it?Well, if you put it like that, I don't have anything concrete, sorry. :V I just reread Shadoweh's ISO and don't know why I began thinking that in the first place, other than that I thought certain posts felt genuine (thinking darkninja was bs'ing about his claim, actual attempt to make competing wagons to dormio at the end of d1) and that leans more towards sk than scum.
Maybe conq can explain it better to us, because I can only gather so much upon rereading of Zak's flip, how did you even draw a conclusion that some doctor who claimed to self protect is a feasible target for that specific abilityl is beyond me.Because Sky_Paladin claimed vig, and given that you said you believed his claim, any reasonable doc would have protected the vig. And yes, Raikaria said earlier that investigative roles will know when they are redirected.
I dunno, I mean, what's my motivation here? You haven't even given me an idea of why being the SK would keep me alive here.Are you asking me what your motivation to try in this game is? :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: Look, the least you could do is say who you think is scum.
Like, if you think I'm the SK then you think I tried to kill you, so I don't get why you'd want me to be alive to keep doing that?
(btw you missed the joke which is that I actually can't, so etc)
##Ambush: Lurk outside a target?s room for the night. If they leave their room, you?ll ambush them and kill them. Unfortunately, you?ll get found out if you ?volunteer? for patrol duty twice in such a short time, so this is a one-shot. Even the Urists are smart enough to notice something is up if you volunteer for patrol too often!This ability kills the target if the target leaves their room at night. And like I said, the number of docs who would self-protect in that situation with other claimed prs out there is close to nil.
Because Sky_Paladin claimed vig, and given that you said you believed his claim, any reasonable doc would have protected the vig. And yes, Raikaria said earlier that investigative roles will know when they are redirected.
This ability kills the target if the target leaves their room at night. And like I said, the number of docs who would self-protect in that situation with other claimed prs out there is close to nil.
tldr why ask me things I will not be able to answer anyway just to make me look bad, don't you have better and more helpful things to do such as actually acknowledging my logic and concede that there is little to pushing for my lynch aside from *~GUT~*?Okay, if you want it spelled out. The reasons for people wanting your lynch are thus.
*PS: Doriano by the guy who's tunneling on me and showing minimal concern to the rest of the gamestate I am referring to you.saying this when dorian is voting shadoweh
This ability kills the target if the target leaves their room at night. And like I said, the number of docs who would self-protect in that situation with other claimed prs out there is close to nil."leaves their room" is just flavour; Raikaria can c/d this later but I'm pretty sure that this would still kill someone who didn't target another person.
"leaves their room" is just flavour; Raikaria can c/d this later but I'm pretty sure that this would still kill someone who didn't target another person.This might be wrong actually; wait for Raikaria.
...Is that so? I mean that's kinda funny, cause that's exactly the impression I get from you.
Then its to Dorian.
Honestly, the way you posts reminds me of those crazy CNN conspiracy interviewers who chew out middle east countries diplomats and sound cool by just repeating everything else in the AMERICAN MIND while gleefully ignoring any counterarguments the opposition brought up.
I already did a town rendition of that song when we were in a hydra. THIEVERY AND PLAGARISMYes you did, which I used as a reference. Am I scum now for
"leaves their room" is just flavour; Raikaria can c/d this later but I'm pretty sure that this would still kill someone who didn't target another person.
When i activated my double vote i used precisely this phrase.Yeah... I don't know much about Dwarf Fortress, but I can't see the "highest dwarven god" supporting any anti-town faction here. That just cements his role as a town role even further and I don't think there's any point in thinking about this further, because it would just be a bunch of waffling and for once I'm pretty sure I'd always come back to the conclusion that CF7 is town.
"By the Divine Right of Amok; Highest Dwarven God; and the God of Blood; hear my words today!"
I assume that all non-towns are not dwarves, i.e. goblins or something. Also i assume it would be incredibly weird if Amok could answer a prayer of non dwarf.
Unfortunately, my read of Shadoweh came up with nothing apart from rolespec weirdness (aka nothing playwise bugged me, just role stuff), but i pmed about the Bodyguard/Bulletproof thing and apparently the Bodyguard would die so lol.
I... honestly forgot that. The only memorable things were to do with rolespec so meh.That still strikes me as odd. I mean, haven't you said that you read her just a moment before that?
but i pmed about the Bodyguard/Bulletproof thing and apparently the Bodyguard would die so lol.lmao
on second thought shadoweh probably isnt sk anyway given that if she were sk she'd be trying harder to hunt for mafia here instead of trolling >_>I'm wondering about that for a while, cause I actually expect more from her no matter which alignment she has.^^;
I'm wondering about that for a while, cause I actually expect more from her no matter which alignment she has.^^;i'M PLEADING THE fIFTH, DON'T THEY HAVE THAT DOWN THERE?
cut by shadoweh claiming maf, saw that coming a mile awayIf if took you until that post to realize that Shadoweh was claiming mafia, well...:V
I'm torn between informing everyone exactly how serial you are and just wishing you good luck.Please tell your teammates to kill me, as I don't actually have a kill and just want this game to finish already. :V
Shadoweh; you are Urist Mc NotUrist: Goblin Thief [Mafia Roleclop]
You are not actually a dwarf, but the Urists are too stupid to notice, and besides, you are a master of stealth. You scout out the Mountainhomes, looking for loot to steal, and reporting back on valuable targets to the Goblin forces. Each night, you may use one of these actions:
##Kill: - Perform the mafia nightkill. You cannot do this if some other member of the mafia is.
##Roleclop: Discover the role of one target at whim.
You win when your faction can control the lynch without outside assistance. Good luck!