Author Topic: Black Stories II ~ Case 33: Cursed Vacation (Read 63597 times)

axman36 · « **Reply #90 on:** March 04, 2010, 07:33:40 AM »

Are these items some sort of tool?

Pesco · « **Reply #91 on:** March 04, 2010, 07:34:33 AM »

Quote from: axman36 on March 04, 2010, 07:33:40 AM

Are these items some sort of tool?

Yes

I suggest you guys make a summary and sift through what is relevant or not. Some of the clues may seem impossible but that's why I told you to think out the box.

Thaws · « **Reply #92 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:02:13 AM »

Quick summary:

Suika

-Suika intend to use all eight rooms by herself, which means no others are involved.
-Suika didn't use any of her abilities except she"not exactly" used the ability to clone herself (Apparently notimportant to the case). There won't be more of her though. <--doesn't make any sense to me.

The items

-There's an item left by Suika in each of the eight rooms, these items can't all fit in a room, yet they're not physical.
-The items are some sort of tool, they're similar yet different from each other.
-They come in a set of eight and one can't be missing from the rest.
-All are common except one, but they can be found almost anywhere
-Can't be owned

What I can see from this summary is lots of unanswered questions.

Is Suika cloning something other than herself?
Did Suika know she had these "items"?
Did Suika knowingly place one item in each room?

Pesco · « **Reply #93 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:11:38 AM »

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Suika

-Suika intend to use all eight rooms by herself, which means no others are involved.
-Suika didn't use any of her abilities except she"not exactly" used the ability to clone herself (Apparently notimportant to the case). There won't be more of her though. <--doesn't make any sense to me.

Think about what her cloning ability does from a different perspective

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The items

-There's an item left by Suika in each of the eight rooms, these items can't all fit in a room, yet they're not physical.
-The items are some sort of tool, they're similar yet different from each other.
-They come in a set of eight and one can't be missing from the rest.
-All are common except one, but they can be found almost anywhere
-Can't be owned

What I can see from this summary is lots of unanswered questions.

Ask yourself what assumptions were made and which details are confirmed facts. The underlined one is a big one. Also, the details do not all carry the same importance value.

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Is Suika cloning something other than herself?

Cloning as in making a copy, No

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Did Suika know she had these "items"?

She is not conscious of them, so No

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Did Suika knowingly place one item in each room?

If Suika is seeing things from where I am, Yes

Prody · « **Reply #94 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:18:38 AM »

Are the items... information?

Thaws · « **Reply #95 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:22:08 AM »

Are the rooms physical?
Does this "set" of items consist of more than eight of them?
Suika only had eight?

Pesco · « **Reply #96 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:24:57 AM »

Quote from: Prody on March 04, 2010, 08:18:38 AM

Are the items... information?

They very well can be

Quote from: Thaws on March 04, 2010, 08:22:08 AM

Are the rooms physical?

No

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Does this "set" of items consist of more than eight of them?

Yes

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Suika only had eight?

Yes, she's only using 8

Thaws · « **Reply #97 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:32:01 AM »

Quote from: 因幡　てゐ on March 03, 2010, 11:29:31 PM

room for a different interpretation

Heh, was this a hint on that rooms can be not physical? It surely led me to thinking that.

Were they... room for memory?

ohlol
Suika went to ask someone at Eientei at that time how she could have more room for memory because she needed to remember eight things. She was told if she cloned herself, there'd be more grey matter hence better memory!

Prody · « **Reply #98 on:** March 04, 2010, 08:54:06 AM »

Are the contents of the information relevant to the case?

Pesco · « **Reply #99 on:** March 04, 2010, 10:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Thaws on March 04, 2010, 08:32:01 AM

Were they... room for memory?

No

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Suika went to ask someone at Eientei at that time how she could have more room for memory because she needed to remember eight things. She was told if she cloned herself, there'd be more grey matter hence better memory!

No

Quote from: Prody on March 04, 2010, 08:54:06 AM

Are the contents of the information relevant to the case?

Not really

Prody · « **Reply #100 on:** March 04, 2010, 11:11:54 AM »

Do the items represent the locations of gensokyo?

Would she have managed to store them?

Thaws · « **Reply #101 on:** March 04, 2010, 11:53:47 AM »

Were they rooms for improvement?

Were the items skills?

Were the items abilities?

Pesco · « **Reply #102 on:** March 04, 2010, 12:07:26 PM »

Quote from: Prody on March 04, 2010, 11:11:54 AM

Do the items represent the locations of gensokyo?

No

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Would she have managed to store them?

Irrelevant

Quote from: Thaws on March 04, 2010, 11:53:47 AM

Were they rooms for improvement?

No

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Were the items skills?

No

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Were the items abilities?

No

FinnKaenbyou · « **Reply #103 on:** March 04, 2010, 02:55:14 PM »

Can this set of items only be found in Gensokyo?

Prody · « **Reply #104 on:** March 04, 2010, 03:27:19 PM »

Suika did this for her own sake?

Suika did this for someone else's sake?

Are the rooms...information holders?...of some sort?

axman36 · « **Reply #105 on:** March 04, 2010, 03:28:57 PM »

Do the items and rooms involve the mind?

Pesco · « **Reply #106 on:** March 04, 2010, 03:58:26 PM »

Quote from: Roukanken on March 04, 2010, 02:55:14 PM

Can this set of items only be found in Gensokyo?

No

Quote from: Prody on March 04, 2010, 03:27:19 PM

Suika did this for her own sake?

Suika did this for someone else's sake?

Irrelevant

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Are the rooms...information holders?...of some sort?

In this case Yes because they will hold the answer to the riddle. That's info don't you think?

Quote from: axman36 on March 04, 2010, 03:28:57 PM

Do the items and rooms involve the mind?

Yes

Hideki · « **Reply #107 on:** March 04, 2010, 05:58:18 PM »

Is Suika's ability to vaporize herself relevant?

Are the items physical? Are they "things" in the sense that they exist in the physical universe?

Pesco · « **Reply #108 on:** March 04, 2010, 06:03:33 PM »

Quote from: Hideki101 on March 04, 2010, 05:58:18 PM

Is Suika's ability to vaporize herself relevant?

No

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Are the items physical?

No

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Are they "things" in the sense that they exist in the physical universe?

No

Hideki · « **Reply #109 on:** March 04, 2010, 10:20:12 PM »

Mind...Are the items some kind of supernatural thing like a spirit or a ghost? Or soul?

Pesco · « **Reply #110 on:** March 04, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »

Quote from: Hideki101 on March 04, 2010, 10:20:12 PM

Mind...Are the items some kind of supernatural thing like a spirit or a ghost? Or soul?

No to all that

axman36 · « **Reply #111 on:** March 04, 2010, 11:17:34 PM »

Do these items have to do with feelings?

Time?

Beliefs?

Characteristics?

Pesco · « **Reply #112 on:** March 05, 2010, 04:46:03 AM »

Quote from: axman36 on March 04, 2010, 11:17:34 PM

Do these items have to do with feelings?

Time?

Beliefs?

Characteristics?

No to all

Thaws · « **Reply #113 on:** March 05, 2010, 05:23:35 AM »

Is mindhax involved?

Is the brain involved?

Are the items something in Suika's mind?

Do they have to do with thoughts? Knowledge?

Pesco · « **Reply #114 on:** March 05, 2010, 06:38:37 AM »

Quote from: Thaws on March 05, 2010, 05:23:35 AM

Is mindhax involved?

No

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Is the brain involved?

According to Chomsky, Yes

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Are the items something in Suika's mind?

No

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Do they have to do with thoughts?

No

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Knowledge?

By themselves, No

axman36 · « **Reply #115 on:** March 05, 2010, 06:58:17 AM »

Do the items or rooms have to do with speech?

Are the items words?

Pesco · « **Reply #116 on:** March 05, 2010, 07:12:28 AM »

Quote from: axman36 on March 05, 2010, 06:58:17 AM

Do the items or rooms have to do with speech?

Yes

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Are the items words?

No and Yes

axman36 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 05, 2010, 07:20:05 AM »

By room, is she asking for room in a sentence to fit the words in?

Pesco · « **Reply #118 on:** March 05, 2010, 07:21:05 AM »

Quote from: axman36 on March 05, 2010, 07:20:05 AM

By room, is she asking for room in a sentence to fit the words in?

No

Rereading would be pretty hawt right about now

axman36 · « **Reply #119 on:** March 05, 2010, 07:26:23 AM »

It's established the items aren't physical, but are the rooms physical?

EDIT: And are the items something built by words, such as a phrase, sentence, etc?