Possibly-crazy stuff you didn't notice for ages

[Myschi]

Reading Star Sapphire's profile from PMiSS, written years before Touhou 12.8:

I've noticed that if you read a lot of the earlier printed works like PMiSS or Bohemian Archive (Maybe, I haven't read that myself.) then it seems to... Let's say 'hint,' at a lot of the games to come.

[Marin The Magus]

ZUN had everything planned since SoEW

[Myschi]

Given the amount of 'Oh hey, that was kinda hinted at back in (X)!' moments, I'd believe that.

[Drake]

ZUN has had a lot of time to think and plan the series out when not working on the games. He can't possibly throw in everything he wants to elaborate on in the games themselves. This is why there are written works in the first place. I can't believe that he's planned everything since SoEW, but the breaks he took before EoSD, and before MoF, he's likely thought up many things in advance. The release dates of each written work and the significances they each have to the games is no coincidence.

[Tengukami]

Oh, totally. He goes through periods of seeming inactivity, but has a wellspring of written works to draw from. And then in one 12-month period releases four games.

[Marin The Magus]

Given the amount of 'Oh hey, that was kinda hinted at back in (X)!' moments, I'd believe that.

I love you.
You made me remember something! In changeability of strange dream, Maribel talked about a big mouse that had red eyes and human body! MOUSE! NAZRIN!

[Sinner]

ZUN had everything planned since SoEW

Probably not since SoEW but he does plan in advance quite a bit. I think I remember reading (and don't shoot me if I'm wrong) that he had IN planned way before PCB but he needed to introduce characters first.

[Myschi]

Probably not since SoEW but he does plan in advance quite a bit. I think I remember reading (and don't shoot me if I'm wrong) that he had IN planned way before PCB but he needed to introduce characters first.

And (I forget the source, but it's on the wiki) he had StB-esque games planned since EoSD, while he was taking screenshots of the spellcards.

[Marin The Magus]

Probably not since SoEW but he does plan in advance quite a bit. I think I remember reading (and don't shoot me if I'm wrong) that he had IN planned way before PCB but he needed to introduce characters first.

BTW, that was a joke ?? an exaggeration.

[Sinner]

And (I forget the source, but it's on the wiki) he had StB-esque games planned since EoSD, while he was taking screenshots of the spellcards.

I vaguely recall hearing something about that, I'll have to go digging through the wiki sometime I guess. Makes you wonder if he's already got a bunch of stuff planned for future games really

BTW, that was a joke ?? an exaggeration.

Ah I should have figured, I'm pretty dense at times though.

[Drake]

I love you.
You made me remember something! In changeability of strange dream, Maribel talked about a big mouse that had red eyes and human body! MOUSE! NAZRIN!

It had a human face. It could be a reference to Nazrin if he had already thought her up, but as far as I can tell Maribel was being chased by a random savage mouse youkai in the Bamboo Forest. It screamed and stuff like an animal; I doubt it was her. The main focus in that story was Mokou, anyways.

[nintendonut888]

At the time of that story, Nazrin was still sealed underground like the rest of Byakuren's crew, so it can't be her.

[Marin The Magus]

At the time of that story, Nazrin was still sealed underground like the rest of Byakuren's crew, so it can't be her.

Well, when did changeability of strange dream come out? I mean, maybe he had the character, but not the story of the character. Or it can be as well a coincidence, but mouse youkai...? couldn't it be something different? Maybe it means something...Does anyone have information?

[nintendonut888]

Whether or not he might have related Nazrin to the nameless mouse youkai at some point, the fact is that there is no way Nazrin could be that youkai. It's not as though there's only one mouse youkai or cat youkai anyway.

[Marin The Magus]

Whether or not he might have related Nazrin to the nameless mouse youkai at some point, the fact is that there is no way Nazrin could be that youkai. It's not as though there's only one mouse youkai or cat youkai anyway.

*facepalm*
Did you read what I said?
There is a TINY POSIBILITY that ZUN had the character planned but not the story. Or that he wanted to put her in the next game or something and he couldn't so he chose to put her in UFO. 

[nintendonut888]

OR, and this is a big or, ZUN had to think up a generic youkai to chase Maribel and chose an animal he hadn't done yet, and he just so happened to use that common animal as the species of a character in a game 5 years later.

It's also worth mentioning that ZUN usually doesn't come up with stage 1 or 2 bosses until he's working on that game. Sure Nazrin has connection to the plot, but I doubt she was made so long ago.

[Myschi]

Speaking of his planning, apparently he works on Stage 1 music before any of the other songs, because he doesn't want to reuse old music for the first stage (y'know, to make everything fit well-like).

Source on that was... one of those video interviews. The one about UFO.

[Drake]

*facepalm*
Did you read what I said?

yeah

-Well, when did changeability of strange dream come out?
New Years 2004-2005 at C67
-I mean, maybe he had the character, but not the story of the character.
Maybe, but if he was planning on making a character out of it he wouldn't be displaying it as some savage beast
-Or it can be as well a coincidence, but mouse youkai...? couldn't it be something different?
yeah could've been a squirrel or a guinea pig or a chinchilla
-Maybe it means something...
maybe
-Does anyone have information?
nothing concrete

Anyways not sure if this discussion belongs in this thread anymore. Drifted away from "stuff you noticed" to "let's guess about stuff".

[Marin The Magus]

Maybe, but if he was planning on making a character out of it he wouldn't be displaying it as some savage beast
No, but maybe for a girl who lives in our world it MAY look like so.
yeah could've been a squirrel or a guinea pig or a chinchilla
There was no need to make a joke like that. It could have been any other character that appeared or anything else, I mean, there are lots of animal species. Why a mouse? it's ZUN, he wouldn't take it so lightly as to put any random animal.
Anyway...
I found yet another "hint". (this time in GFC)

I have no idea what the connection is. I guess it's something like spirit photographies of dead people.

Okay, before anyone says anything, this MIGHT be the inspiration of Hatate's special way of photographing.

[Lord Phantasm Satori]

nobody cares! that's not what this thread is about! I made a comment about how Eirin's spellcard background looks just like yuyuko's with a moon stuck in, and it was just blown by. Let's get back to noticing shit!

[Esoterica]

nobody cares! that's not what this thread is about! I made a comment about how Eirin's spellcard background looks just like yuyuko's with a moon stuck in, and it was just blown by. Let's get back to noticing shit!

Uh, no, I replied to that.  Either way, this thread is about things people noticed, not things you noticed that you want attention for.

[Nobu]

Chill out a bit, LPS. Some amount of derailing is inevitable around here, can lead to interesting discussions and not exactly discouraged. However, if some of youse want to discuss tangents much further than this I suggest creating a new thread about it and respecting the OP's thread subject. Also,

anyone notice that Eirin's spellcard background is just Yuyukos with a moon stuck in?

Nope.

[OkashiiKisei]

Nazrin stuff

Everyone seems to forget about the possibility that this creature was Nazrin after all and just evolved from beast youkai to humanoid youkai in the time period between Maribel's visit and UFO. :/ A lot of Youkai start out as mundane items and animals and then turn into monsters. It isn't only till they gain full sentience that they adopt humanoid form. Considering the mouse had a human face it might have been right in the middle of its development into a humanoid youkai/Nazrin.

[Marin The Magus]

Hey, I've noticed something else while wondering about HIna. Why does she spins?
I was listening to a song that was a remix of luna dial, called "dial connected" and I remembered that in the PV Remilia was represented with the tarot card of "the wheel of luck"....
WAIT A MINUTE.
Wheel of luck? Spin? Hina?
Am I the only one seeing it here, HAVE I JUST GOT CRAZY?

[Drake]

hi i didn't memorize each word of every manual

Nazrin is like 1000+++ years old, commands mice similarly to Tewi/rabbits and has been a left-hand of Bishamonten for who knows how long. It's probable that Nazrin was sealed away with the rest of the crew during this time anyways, since said "dream" took place before SA.

[Marin The Magus]

Maybe he just forgot about that fact, because, you know, not everyone memorizes each word of every manual.
EDIT: Besides, it's over. Stop fighting about it. We are going to have to make a topic about it otherwise.

[7TC7]

Hey, I've noticed something else while wondering about HIna. Why does she spins?
I was listening to a song that was a remix of luna dial, called "dial connected" and I remembered that in the PV Remilia was represented with the tarot card of "the wheel of luck"....
WAIT A MINUTE.
Wheel of luck? Spin? Hina?
Am I the only one seeing it here, HAVE I JUST GOT CRAZY?

You know, Hinas symbol in Grimoire of Marisa IS the Wheel of fortune?
There is not questioning that she is somehow related to that.

I personally also see the spinning like a tornado that sucks all misfortune into it.

[Esoterica]

Momizi's MoF sprite actually does show her having wolf ears, despite what I previously thought.  They're barely noticeable and appear to be floppy instead of pointed, though.

[Iryan]

Momizi's MoF sprite actually does show her having wolf ears, despite what I previously thought.  They're barely noticeable and appear to be floppy instead of pointed, though.

Hmmm...  :/

*looks at the sprite*

OHSHI- 

These 5 pixels on each side of her head are of sufficiently different brightness and placed suchly that they cannot really be handwaved as light reflexions on her hair.

On another note, her legs don't look particularly healthy in that sprite...

[Solais]

On another note, her legs don't look particularly healthy in that sprite...

Well, as someone who bases his sprites on ZUN's, I think that's the case for almost every sprite.