Communication Breakdance (Game Over! Town win)

[Kilgamayan]

No, what transpired before your result is a null tell. ScumSodium had nothing to gain from not following to your instructions, and what would have caused your role to fizzle if he were a Doc?

[Serp]

I'm thinking he's looking town now for meta reasons.  I think Scum-Sodium would have caved in some fashion.

If he has a role that makes him immune to other abilities, presumably he knows as much, and so he'd have known he had nothing to fear from your ultimatum.

[Nachtwanderlied]

If he had such a power, why didn't he include it with his roleclaim?

[Nachtwanderlied]

EDWOP: Inevitable "WHOOOOOOPS I FORGOT" incoming.

[Edible]

ScumSodium had nothing to gain from not following to your instructions

Think what you will - the empirical data I've gathered via my personal experience says scum are more likely to give up when hammered with a good case than town.

Pressed with the immediate and impending doom of a role investigation, I believe ScumSodium would have called it quits.  I believe automatically assuming it was an ability of Sodium's that caused my LD to fail is a mistake.

[Nachtwanderlied]

Then why did the LD fail then Edible?

Is it because


you don't have that ability?  :V

[Sodium]

...Uh, What? You were telling the truth that you have an ability, right Edible?

Well, this makes me lean town on Edible actually, as if he were scum, I doubt he'd even do something so risky as to claim a lie detector. Then say he got no result, and while that is obviously weird and suspicious, I doubt scum would CLAIM LIE DETECTOR JUST TO SAY "lolnoresult".

I am not ability immune. Why would a doc be ability immune?

[FinnKaenbyou]

No result.

...What.

Okay, this can be read in one of two ways. Either Edible is lying about his role and is using 'no result' as a get-out clause, or Sodium has some sort of action immune power.

But would any role be immune to day-actions? What sort of role would that be? 'You are X, you're immune to everything'?
Edible's 'oh yeah, despite the fact that my power did exactly what it wasn't supposed to do I trust Sodium now' is also infuriating. I was expecting a 'truth' response, possibly a 'false' if Edible was lying or if I was wrong about Sodium, but I'll admit this caught me by surprise.
Personally I'm still leaning towards Edible being scum making excuses, but I'm thinking that if worst comes to worst Sodium should probably be lynched ahead of KGH for the sake of information here. This is pretty confusing, and it might take a few flips to figure out what's going on.

[Kilgamayan]

Pressed with the immediate and impending doom of a role investigation, I believe ScumSodium would have called it quits.  I believe automatically assuming it was an ability of Sodium's that caused my LD to fail is a mistake.

Your scenario is different from the one I was describing earlier.

What evidence do you have that we should not think Sodium has a scum role that makes him immune to whatever your ability does?

[FinnKaenbyou]

EBWOP: I'll also add that this entire dilemma is leaving me suspicious of a potential Edible/Sodium pair, because Edible seemed to wait a little too close to deadline before asking the big question.

[Kilgamayan]

Wait, were you trying to tie in the "he would have collapsed if he were scum" bit to that?

If he were scum with an ability that would cause your ability to fizzle, he would be under no pressure whatsoever to not do what you said, so he would have no reason to cave.

[Nachtwanderlied]

But if he was scum with such ability, would it not be better for him to play along and not make himself even more suspicious?

[Nachtwanderlied]

anyways this is a huge big pile of WIFOM that I may suspect Edible intentionally created to disrupt our reads

[Kilgamayan]

No, because claiming a scummy role like "I can't be targeted by pro-town roles!" is not as good a claim as Doc to get people off your back.

[Nachtwanderlied]

No, because claiming a scummy role like "I can't be targeted by pro-town roles!" is not as good a claim as Doc to get people off your back.

I was referring to Edible's proposition. Not abiding by it would cause quite the suspicion on him. Therefore, I would assume that he would go through with it.

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: I'll also add that this entire dilemma is leaving me suspicious of a potential Edible/Sodium pair, because Edible seemed to wait a little too close to deadline before asking the big question.

This is obvious. One of them needs to hang. I think Edible realized we were likely to lynch sodium anyway, so if he gave a lying result, he'd be lynched next, and it'd be game. No result was the only SCUM move he could make.

I'm willing to lynch either Sodium or Edible at this point. Tempted to go Edible actually, since we lose less if we're wrong.

[Edible]

Is it because


you don't have that ability?  :V

...Uh, What? You were telling the truth that you have an ability, right Edible?

What evidence do you have that we should not think Sodium has a scum role that makes him immune to whatever your ability does?

Usasasa~

Okay, gambit over.  I'm probably not a lie detector.  I did, however, manage to satisfy my desire to learn Sodium's alignment without actually lynching a potential Doc.  Whether it satisfies anyone else's is up in the air.

Cut by UK: I fully expected to get votes for this, but why would I stick my neck out so far were I scum?

[FinnKaenbyou]

Okay, gambit over.  I'm probably not a lie detector.

T_T

So if you're 'probably not a lie detector', what are you?

[Nachtwanderlied]

And what exactly did you learn, Edible? Sodium went with the obvious plan and went with his claim. What does this tell you?

[Nachtwanderlied]

EDWOP: A little too early to push that, eh?

[Edible]

So if you're 'probably not a lie detector', what are you?

I'm a rolefisher.

Oh wait, that's you!

And what exactly did you learn, Edible? Sodium went with the obvious plan and went with his claim. What does this tell you?

Not so obvious.  I explained why I think Sodium's town already.

[FinnKaenbyou]

I'm a rolefisher.

Oh wait, that's you!

You just fakeclaimed. I think I have the right to rolefish.

[Nachtwanderlied]

A few unknown meta reasons and a claim that he would've caved in. Reasons that were not explained or detailed.

What's there to hide?

[Edible]

You just fakeclaimed. I think I have the right to rolefish.

Reasonable enough, I suppose.  I'm still not telling. <3

A few unknown meta reasons and a claim that he would've caved in. Reasons that were not explained or detailed.

Meta reasons: Sodium is not the most patient player and would take an easier way out if offered, and he had plenty of time to stir between the time I made my fakeclaim and the time he responded.

What's there to hide?

Great leading question.  Do you practice those often?

[FinnKaenbyou]

Reasonable enough, I suppose.  I'm still not telling. <3

...Vote confirmed.

[Nachtwanderlied]

Edible: One of those Kilga Spoonfeed Fetish Posts (tm) would be greatly appreciated right now. I'm not quite understanding your line of thought. Are you implying that Scum Sodium would rather want to be lynched?

[Kiro]

Um ok.

So Edible is not really a lie detector. That means at the very least, his asking Sodium to say something and waiting for a response from Zakeri is somewhat of an elaborate charade to cover for something else. Although a daytime investigation that's not a lie detector is kinda new to me. He held off on it for awhile though, saying Sodium was the obvious lynch and pushing Serp as an alternative case. So Edible, who do you think we should lynch today after your determination?

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K4U: I believed Sodium's roleclaim initially. Then I realized I should not to take too much stock into it. I decided to reread the voting patterns for KGH and Sodium and decided that there was a little right for KGH (which is an aspect I had not focused on before) which convinced me to go back onto Sodium. Although now, I'm still thinking about the best course of action. Currently leaning towards a brand new case. If both Edible and Sodium are indeed Town power roles, Night 2 might see some clarification with an NK and/or other power roles taking action.

[Nachtwanderlied]

Kiro: Would pursuing a new case be that good of an idea? The day's end is coming soon. I know for sure I can't catch it (school) So are you determined that you can find another viable lynch target in that time?

oh wait dammit that target is most likely me

[FinnKaenbyou]

My biggest problem with this is that Edible was fine with suspecting Sodium and decided his claim was bull, and then suddenly OH WAIT LIE DETECTOR. If he was so sure Sodium was scum before, why pull the gambit?

[UncertainJakutten]

Okay, gambit over.  I'm probably not a lie detector.

T_T

So if you're 'probably not a lie detector', what are you?

It's an uncertainty gambit. Roll with it.

So, yeah, you do realize your result is colored by Rou, right?

Dammit, so many connections...you can't ALL be scum.

Sodium needs to be lynched at this point. If he's scum we can likely turn to either Rou or Edible for the final scum.

As for sticking your neck out, besides the WIFOM, consider this:

If you succeeded, you'd effectively have cleared you and Sodium to near endgame. FURTHER, if you decided to implicate So-bro with a guilty, you'd have a free pass. The problem is Sodium admitting it would be out of character for scum him, so you'd not quite avoid scrutiny.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't like your excuse.

Cuts don't really affect my analysis.