Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F  (Read 294640 times)

CloverNaght

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #960 on: August 25, 2013, 08:32:04 AM »
My roommate bet I wouldn't put 200K into Youmu's attack.

He was wrong. I regret nothing.

I think I'm ready for the final boss.

E: Beat it. Super Youmu getting buffed to all stats +100% by Byakuren broke it.
goddamn lv 570 attack, my most pumped up
Spoiler:
Nazrin
only has lv 480 magic stat /o\
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #961 on: August 25, 2013, 09:06:36 AM »

Disgusting

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #962 on: August 25, 2013, 09:20:13 AM »
Wow. I thought I was doing good with 150k Slash of Eternity, but THAT...That's pornographic.


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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #963 on: August 25, 2013, 09:42:34 AM »
Disgusting


I... I have to ask. How much attack, how much buffing and how much debuffing?

And was the target low on health for Suika's bonus damage?


Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #964 on: August 25, 2013, 10:35:14 AM »
Fuuuuu~ I need 2 achivements
Spoiler:
for the 20F rock
, but I can just clear 16, 88 and 93.

16 is not working, dunno how to do 88
Spoiler:
(I tried two times to drop 50 items in a trip, and still don't work)
and 93 is too long. -.-
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 10:39:58 AM by MiniTokki »

CloverNaght

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #965 on: August 25, 2013, 11:16:44 AM »
At first i thought she was underwhelming (self buff that decrease speed by 50%, aw) but that image just proves that i'm very wrong

Did you rely on her Missing Power or just buff her with another character?
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #966 on: August 25, 2013, 12:34:55 PM »
I buffed her with Sanae and Byakuren (Strategist Yukari helps too). The sword doesnʹt have any debuffs on it. I was surprised by the result too, since at the same level Yuugi and Youmu donʹt even get near her damage in one strike. THE ROCK either pierces DEF greatly or the guy accidentally add another 0 to the ATK multiplier.
Itʹs level 5 btw. Suika has 27-28K ATK and 60-70% ATK buff at the time.

Xarizzar

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #967 on: August 25, 2013, 12:42:59 PM »
So, has anyone been able to crack the Marisa, Reimu and Yukari event in 16F? I'm really curious as to what's behind it (they mention its some sort of space distortion, so I'm trying to go get BP with Yukari, but someone with the cheat engine might have it easier)
Send me a screenshot of it. While I was trying to get BP for the other characters for
Spoiler:
Yuuka
and miserably failed, I am quite certain I DID find Yukari's and changed it to 1000. That won't really be a problem though, I do use Yukari, so by the time I'm supposed to open that, I would...

EDIT: By the way, the first time I fought
Spoiler:
Flandre, I had the SDM family in the front row, I failed. When I went to her again without the SDM Family, I could fight her.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 01:04:30 PM by Xarizzar95 »

CloverNaght

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #968 on: August 25, 2013, 01:03:48 PM »
tested with
Spoiler:
Reisen
45223 mag stat+72% mag buff and the sword has about -20% mind debuff.
She only deals 335k damage to it with Discarder /o\, and the sword is weak against dark. It might something to do with the spellcard multiplier, or Free Spirited just calculates the bonus damage based on your total damage only (unlike equipments which only based on your original stat)
Oh well gonna use Suika the moment 21 and 22F finally accessable
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 01:20:34 PM by AkurouNyan~ »
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Xarizzar

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #969 on: August 25, 2013, 01:39:10 PM »
OK, I've finally figured out the easiest way to get the necessary BPs for the events. Before I tell you how, here are the addresses I found in case you might want them(I doubt they will be the same for you though):

Minoriko: 0074A6D8
Wriggle: 0C5A1FF8
Nitori: 0C5A1008
Cirno: 00749EE0

And I already had the BP for Utsuho, so I didn't get any address.

How to find them if the above addresses do not work: Open Cheat Engine, open LoT2 in it, then in LoT2, go to the first floor. Then in Cheat Engine, as Scan Type, choose Value Between.  In the first one, put 0 and in the second one put any number that you're sure that is more that the number of BP you have. I put 1000(You may want to put something a bit higher if you've used the character for quite a bit). Do the first scan. Put the character that needs BP in the front row. Get in a battle(and getting to the character's turn is recommended to make sure this will work. You don't have to, but it's recommended). Then go to Cheat Engine, and choose as a scan type "Increased value by..." and for value, insert 1. Do the next scan, finish the battle and scan again without changing anything. Then find a battle, get to the character's turn, scan again, finish the battle, scan again and so on until you find the address. Hope this helps. Also, this kinda proves that the BP gaining system didn't really change from LoT1...

And, the BP events for
Spoiler:
Nazrin to get the drop necessary to get Byakuren are 2 right? One in 13F and one in F14?

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #970 on: August 25, 2013, 02:08:02 PM »
How do the subclasses work?
Does the character gain the new spellcards and skills in addition to his old ones or are the new ones replacing the old ones?

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #971 on: August 25, 2013, 02:11:10 PM »
How do the subclasses work?
Does the character gain the new spellcards and skills in addition to his old ones or are the new ones replacing the old ones?

The former. You have to buy them with skill points, though.

You also get free stats!

RegalStar

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #972 on: August 25, 2013, 02:12:50 PM »
Meiling's "successful heal" is actually Healer, a returning skill from LoT1 and a reference to Tales series.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #973 on: August 25, 2013, 02:15:58 PM »
The former. You have to buy them with skill points, though.

You also get free stats!

Oh thank god. When I read through the wiki I was disappointed that Remilia still only has 2 spellcards, like in the first game. But I guess I can make her useful in random encounters now by giving her a subclass with Row or Multitarget attacks?
Also is Last Fortress as good as it sounds on paper? In LoT1 I often lost a lot of characters during boss battles and finished the boss with only half of my team left alive. Last Fortress sounds like it could make Remilia quite strong in the later parts of a boss battle.

CloverNaght

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #974 on: August 25, 2013, 02:48:53 PM »
Also is Last Fortress as good as it sounds on paper? In LoT1 I often lost a lot of characters during boss battles and finished the boss with only half of my team left alive. Last Fortress sounds like it could make Remilia quite strong in the later parts of a boss battle.
Not sure if building arround Last Fortress is a good choice, tho you can just simply toss any sacfirice to make it work (i.e Rinnosuke after used few Battle Commands)
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #975 on: August 25, 2013, 02:54:37 PM »
Should probably check if Last Fortress works if you put her as the only active member of the party.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #976 on: August 25, 2013, 03:00:25 PM »
Not sure if building arround Last Fortress is a good choice, tho you can just simply toss any sacfirice to make it work (i.e Rinnosuke after used few Battle Commands)

I didn't mean to build around it or deliberately losing characters, but in LoT1 I would often inevitably lose characters in boss battles. Some bosses were even designed around that (iirc there was no way to survive Knockout in 3 Steps in the Yuugi encounter in LoT1, so you'd lose a character every few turns). If Remilia is decent without the buff from Last Fortress then she'd be worth using anyway and it could potentially turn her into a monster in the later stages of a difficult battle. Depends on how the skill works I guess. Does it just give her a buff like any spellcard would and it deteriorates over time or is it a boost that stays the same for the rest of the fight?

Xarizzar

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #977 on: August 25, 2013, 03:03:53 PM »
Hmm... Should I raise both Attack and Magic for
Spoiler:
Yuuka?
She has high Attack and Magic and the spell descriptions don't say anything about Attack or Magic or Composite...

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #978 on: August 25, 2013, 03:08:21 PM »
Should probably check if Last Fortress works if you put her as the only active member of the party.

I thought Remilia gets a boost when a party member dies. The amount of characters in the active party hopefully doesn't have anything to do with it, because then that skill is nowhere near as good as I thought.
The way I understood it is that when a character in your active party dies Remilia gets a boost, you could then swap the empty slot for one of the reserve characters and Remilia would retain that boost even though you have 4 characters in your active party again.
That way, if you get reduced from 12 to 8 characters in a long battle, Remilia would have gotten 4 boosts over the course of the battle. Does it not work like that?

It would be disappointing if the skill required empty slots in the active party. Would make it borderline useless, I'd say.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #979 on: August 25, 2013, 04:58:08 PM »
So, I was wondering "Why did most people pumped Byakuren's magic instead of her attack? She got two skills for it." and decided to mess around with her and say hello to the critters from 1F
http://oi39.tinypic.com/ibewy8.jpg
Spoiler:
Though it's  Lv.763 on Attack and Speed so
, I guess it's nothing impressive. But hey, she regens, hits hard, speedy, dodgy, and she can spam it.
Obligatory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa7P4xV6k8

I'm kinda confused on how the damage formula works. Byakuren's MoBT is 170%(too bad it wasn't NAMUSAN), Yuugi's Knockout is 200%, and Meiling's Mountain Breaker is 400%(!?). No idea on Suika. But there's an additional something there, called "倍率" (magnification or something) in which Byakuren's is 170%, Yuugi's is 130%, and Meiling's is 80%.
What did it do anyway?

I've also tested that the Enhancer's Strengthening doesn't work on auto-buffing passive skills. Too bad, that would've helped make Byakuren buffs faster. Any suggestion on what subclass I should use for her, as a Support or Attacker?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 05:59:28 PM by monhan »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #980 on: August 25, 2013, 05:29:57 PM »
Nothing special happened in today's morning session other than exploring some of 4F which resulted in me picking up two new party members in
Spoiler:
Wriggle
  &
Spoiler:
Aya
.  Also farmed the 2F & 3F F.O.Es for enough money to buy the 6k item for
Spoiler:
Suika's
first event.

Looks to be a boss I can try now, but I need to finish exploring what I can of 4F first with my characters mostly around lv14-15.
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ViciousYukkuri

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #981 on: August 25, 2013, 06:36:51 PM »
I didn't mean to build around it or deliberately losing characters, but in LoT1 I would often inevitably lose characters in boss battles. Some bosses were even designed around that (iirc there was no way to survive Knockout in 3 Steps in the Yuugi encounter in LoT1, so you'd lose a character every few turns). If Remilia is decent without the buff from Last Fortress then she'd be worth using anyway and it could potentially turn her into a monster in the later stages of a difficult battle. Depends on how the skill works I guess. Does it just give her a buff like any spellcard would and it deteriorates over time or is it a boost that stays the same for the rest of the fight?

It stays the same because it's a named buff, however, if you factor in the fact that this game is quite a bit easier than the last one, it's not worth it as much. There are only a few battles that are super difficult, and those are before Remilia. And no battle is difficult with Suika around. And Yuugi's not as good with Last Fortress because of her blanket of elemental weaknesses.



And, the BP events for
Spoiler:
Nazrin to get the drop necessary to get Byakuren are 2 right? One in 13F and one in F14?

There's a 3rd one on 11F, too.


I've also tested that the Enhancer's Strengthening doesn't work on auto-buffing passive skills. Too bad, that would've helped make Byakuren buffs faster. Any suggestion on what subclass I should use for her, as a Support or Attacker?


I liked giving her Abilities Enhanced for the simple fact that it gives her every stat (which she uses) and it lets her easily fill both the role of a attacker and a support, assuming you have all of her self buff skills.


Now, I'm trying to decide what to do until more patches and the english patch come out...I could
A. Try to get Youmu's attack to Lv. 1000
B. Go through again, and not use Komachi, Suika, or Byakuren. Also, not game over grind for Kasen.
C. Solo play-through with Youmu or Kasen
D. Team 9 play-through.

I'm feeling C.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 07:55:16 PM by ViciousYukkuri »
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #982 on: August 25, 2013, 06:56:14 PM »
Do a Team Synergies only game. Your 12 would be Team (9), Team SDM, Mokou/Keine+Malice Cannon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #983 on: August 25, 2013, 07:03:55 PM »
Do a Team Synergies only game. Your 12 would be Team ⑨, Team SDM, Mokou/Keine+Malice Cannon

Challenge accepted and started.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #984 on: August 25, 2013, 08:06:34 PM »
Finally I got my hands on the game. Does anyone have an end-game save file (with all characters) that I can use to test stuff with?

EDIT: Oh hi, I just noticed that "list of reference" page on Japanese wiki is up. Time to start working on the main/sub gears, then.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2013, 08:14:58 PM by RegalStar »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #985 on: August 25, 2013, 08:16:18 PM »
Finally I got my hands on the game. Does anyone have an end-game save file (with all characters) that I can use to test stuff with?
On the previous page, kuilfrayt shared his.

This might not be as hard as I thought it would be. For now, at least.
I finally got my first Normal 1cc. ReimuA, TD.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #986 on: August 25, 2013, 08:23:25 PM »
EDIT: Oh hi, I just noticed that "list of reference" page on Japanese wiki is up. Time to start working on the main/sub gears, then.

Oh cool. Think you can port it over to the google doc spreadsheet I posted?

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #987 on: August 25, 2013, 09:27:48 PM »
Quote
I'm kinda confused on how the damage formula works. Byakuren's MoBT is 170%(too bad it wasn't NAMUSAN), Yuugi's Knockout is 200%, and Meiling's Mountain Breaker is 400%(!?). No idea on Suika. But there's an additional something there, called "倍率" (magnification or something) in which Byakuren's is 170%, Yuugi's is 130%, and Meiling's is 80%.

First number is probably multiplier before defense is taken into consideration and second number is probably multiplier after defense is taken into consideration. So it would be something like (1.7x - defense)*1.7x.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #988 on: August 25, 2013, 11:13:11 PM »
Oh God what have I done?! During a rage break from challenge play-through.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F
« Reply #989 on: August 25, 2013, 11:14:14 PM »
I racked a few achievements yesterday on 1F, 4/12 deaths, and got Kogasa. So, I'll grind to get Rumia and some money for Suika so, I can be one step ahead.

@ViciousYukkuri: YOU BROKE THE GAME!!!! Also, the menus for stats look translated already.
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