[WC3 - DotS] General discussion thread I

[trancehime]

You can gap to a shared yukkuri, can't you? At least it was possibles on old versions.

Well, I am totally against bd and started a discussion about bd on the brazilian touhou forum, on the dots game play thread because people here made some fucking lame bds and says that its normal... so maybe if the knew about the opinion of different people they'd understand things better... oh well =/

bd is treated as normal because mostly people do whatever it takes to win

[Dr Rawr]

So does that mean bd is cool :V

[Stuffman]

Well like I'm not sure I understand the implications of not allowing it. So you're not allowed to attack the opponent's base unless they're all alive and they know you're coming, or what?

[Helepolis]

I don't know about you people but I cannot teleport to my yukkuri using Sukima generator because it says "Unable to target wards" :V

Well like I'm not sure I understand the implications of not allowing it. So you're not allowed to attack the opponent's base unless they're all alive and they know you're coming, or what?

No, I will explain it with a picture :V



By sneaking like this you managed to kill the tower within seconds before and you keep doing this to win. This is not forbidden, but simply "lame" "low moral" etc.

[Dular]

Basically, if you attack enemy towers and there are no creeps around, it's considered backdooring.  There are a few rules of exemption, such as creeps are literally right behind you and you decided to get hurt yourself for some reason, the tower is in deny-able range(10% hp), or all the creeps around you die while hitting the tower.  Whether or not heroes are alive don't matter.

Basically, imagine at the start, Flan gets four of a kind, and sends three off to hurt the tower before any creeps can come.  That is backdooring.  Imagine Flan has been pushed to her tower, and covertly sends three clones to hurt the tower, that's backdooring.  Imagine that your being pushed inside your base, and Yukari teleports to the other persons base and starts wrecking stuff.  That is backdooring.  It's all about the creeps man.

[Fakinha]

Basically, if you attack enemy towers and there are no creeps around, it's considered backdooring.  There are a few rules of exemption, such as creeps are literally right behind you and you decided to get hurt yourself for some reason, the tower is in deny-able range(10% hp), or all the creeps around you die while hitting the tower.  Whether or not heroes are alive don't matter.

Basically, imagine at the start, Flan gets four of a kind, and sends three off to hurt the tower before any creeps can come.  That is backdooring.  Imagine Flan has been pushed to her tower, and covertly sends three clones to hurt the tower, that's backdooring.  Imagine that your being pushed inside your base, and Yukari teleports to the other persons base and starts wrecking stuff.  That is backdooring.  It's all about the creeps man.

Just to add:

You can stay attacking the tower even if your creeps died if you got there together with them (using dota as base, the tower won't regen life for exemple, so I don't think it should be considered bd).

Denying tower in dots will not give the oponents less gold (exception to the last hitter) (correct me if I'm wrong) and you can deny it with more than 10% HP (correct me if I'm wrong too).

And yeah, bd is gay and lame  :ohdear:.

Spoiler:

Wriggle and Koishii too  :derp:

@yukkuri teleport

You cant tp to your yukkuri, but if someone from your team share a yukkuri with you, you can tp to her.

[Pesco]

Denied towers give no faith, which is the more important income in DotS. The middle towers and the first ones on the side give 3 faith each. The ones further back give more I think.

[Pesco]

New stuff on Flan

[Helepolis]

Check FPH for the promotional video. We finally did it =D thanks everyone.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Flan's passive increases damage on units by 12.5% and decreases damage done to buildings by 25%

And good job on the video Hele.

[Helepolis]

I smell PAD Flan as tower raper.

[trancehime]

I smell PAD Flan as tower raper.

What? Flan does less damage to buildings. :/

[Helepolis]

Oh shit I read it wrong ORZ.

Guess it is a nerf to counter her clone skill, so she doesn't tower rape fast? So what about Mokou who can reach like crazy attack speed vs a tower.

[trancehime]

Guess it is a nerf to counter her clone skill, so she doesn't tower rape fast? So what about Mokou who can reach like crazy attack speed vs a tower.

If Mokou is tanking the tower, it's a surefire way to get killed by it at lower levels.

However, as Flan, you have clones, who can tank the tower instead when you are waiting for creeps or doing something else.

[Happyhorse]

However, as Flan, you have clones, who can tank the tower instead when you are waiting for creeps or doing something else.

It's unlikely you'll find a mokou to tank a tower herself unless she has a minimum level 3 egg skill or supported by her allies during early to mid game.
Though, a skilled mokou will be able to bring a tank to 25% - 45% once she gets her ultimate to level 2 (which will be probably around post-early to pre-mid game)

So what about Mokou who can reach like crazy attack speed vs a tower.

As long as Mokou doesn't have her as equips yet, it's still possible to prevent her from soloing a tower.

[Fakinha]

Flandre still rape towers. HARD.

[Happyhorse]

If you can manage to deny Flandre her gold & exp during early game, it'd be easy enough to stop her from clone rushing any towers during mid game.

As much as you allow her to get lunarite/dmt and equips, stopping clone rushing will get harder, especially the frontal towers.

[Fakinha]

If you can manage to deny Flandre her gold & exp during early game, it'd be easy enough to stop her from clone rushing any towers during mid game.

As much as you allow her to get lunarite/dmt and equips, stopping clone rushing will get harder, especially the frontal towers.

Deny flandre? Flandre is like Tarzan, lives in the jungle. (At least mine)

[Happyhorse]

Deny flandre? Flandre is like Tarzan, lives in the jungle. (At least mine)

Not all players use Flandre like "Tarzan".

You'll never know until you try.

[Pesco]

Deny flandre? Flandre is like Tarzan, lives in the jungle. (At least mine)

Best comparison ever :V

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Just a random 3v3 we had.
Mostly Cirno vs. Iku action.

HAKUREI:
Dormio (Iku)
DollS (Tenshi)
Stuffman (Yuuka)

MORIYA:
Infinity (Cirno)
Dular (Momiji)
Noname (Komachi)

[ruikomatsu]

Dormio's Oarfish isn't really funny and hates me so much.

Komachi is being a good girl.  :V

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio's Oarfish isn't really funny and hates me so much.

You just happened to be closest when I felt like trying to snipe someone.
Because not using the drill is a waste.

Komachi is being a good girl.  :V

Death to all Komachi.

[Captain Infinity]

Because I can.

Jerk Dormio being a jerk whorefish.

[trancehime]

3v3 with more of Dormio's jerk Iku.

Hakurei
Dormio -- Iku || River
Cirno -- Alice || Top
Noname -- Mokou || Bottom

Moriya
Helepolis -- Kanako || River
Pesco -- Letty || Top
TranceHime -- Hong Meiling || Bottom

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[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio's jerk Iku.

Says jerkstun. :derp:

[Captain Infinity]

Says jerkstun. :derp:

Don't make me best ref you again, Dormio.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

JERKREF, JERKSTUN, JERKTEAMS THE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[ruikomatsu]

JERKREF, JERKSTUN, JERKTEAMS THE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

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Everyone is against your oarfish.
I can sympathize.  :derp:

...that's my most lamest run with Mokou so far. If only Kanako's MOF wasn't that painful and stuntastic.

China's tempting me to always make a suicidal dive.  :V

[trancehime]

China's tempting me to always make a suicidal dive.  :V

That's my job, though.

To do that and piss people off

JERKREF, JERKSTUN, JERKTEAMS THE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

And you call me the jerk