Because I'm bringing up more recent; more relevant cases? Fnatic vs SKT? Which happened this year? And is the two teams I am talking about? A more recent event supersedes a older one.
except you're ignoring so much fuckin context. SKT has had a lot of a harder time in LCK summer than FNC did in EU. more competition breeds more skill.
Especially when both Gambit and CJ are not involved. How is an event 3 years ago involving none of the teams even in this event relevant in any way? It's not like when I was talking about NA's record of performance, where I was specifically talking about past achievements of regions. I'm specifically talking about current; and future; events.
first off, you really need to learn when to use a semicolon because you always do it wrong. here:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+use+a+semicolonalso, you can't ignore history just because it doesn't suit you. the two teams you are talking about did play in a BO5. FNC lost. that's history. that's relevant.
a region failing to beat another region is also always relevant when teams from the two regions meet up. like i said before, competition breeds more skill. korea is a far harder region than EU, straight up. that's why it's important to look at the history--the last time an EU team was strong enough to beat korea was literally years ago. you have to look at the strength of the scene between then and now, draw comparisons between the two scenes. korea was stronger than EU then. it remained stronger throughout the years. it appears to still be stronger.
Fact is:
Fnatic took SKT to 5 games last time they faced each other
you're, once again, ignoring a ridiculous amount of context. what was the meta back then? did it favor certain players over others? how much time did the teams have to prepare for the meta? you can't just say "a team did this when the game was totally different" and use that single point of data alone to extrapolate anything. you have to look at the meta, look at how players perform in that meta, what team styles fit the meta the best, who has to adapt the most, etc.
what this data point actually says is this: in the context of the meta that MSI took place in, FNC was strong enough to take SKT to all five games. this means, as long as either team doesn't show significant change, FNC should have the capabilities to take them to 5 games and possibly win this time. however, both teams showed improvement after MSI. both teams performed much better in the summer split than in the spring split. this is significant b/c, like i said above, korea is much more difficult than EU. SKT has shown incredible prowess towards the end of the summer split, and at worlds so far. FNC, however, has shown a lot of errors in their play at worlds. they have been improving quickly, but you can't just ignore the shit happening right in front of you because you want EU to win so bad.
SKT lost to EDG in the last Bo5 they played against each other
So Fnatic 3-0'ing EDG is a very encouraging sign [And while they were behind in the remade game; most analysts agree Fnatic was actually winning because EDG was losing the race against the clock hard.]. SKT didn't drop a game either; but those were Bo1's; which is fundamentally different to a Bo5.
and, once again(what a surprise!), you're ignoring a shitload of context. the EDG that beat SKT is not today's EDG. china as a region has been full of problems. i've already listed them a billion times but you've shown yourself incapable of acknowledging basic facts when they don't suit you so i'm not gonna bother listing them again.
KT and KOO are weaker teams than SKT. Fnatic can take SKT to 5 games and 3-0 a team with the potential to beat SKT.
the EDG at worlds had no potential to beat SKT. at all. literally none. did you even watch the group stage?
So Fnatic are certainly the favorite regardless of which team they face.
uh. there are lot of analysts who are paid to be smarter about this than you who disagree with you. FNC can definitely beat KT/KOO, but they are by no means favorites.
How much weaker is KT than SKT? They played each other in a Bo5 at the end of the summer split. SKT won 3-0. For reference about KOO; they also played a Bo5 in the same event. KT won 3 games to 2, so they are around the same level. SKT is on another level to the rest of the Korean teams. They can 3-0 the #2 team in their region. That is how much weaker KT and KOO are than SKT.
this is kind of just proving my point but whatever. let's ignore basically all the context possible to paint FNC to win.
Evidence of prior, pretty recent events shows Fnatic can hold their own with SKT; while the other teams in Korea are far behind SKT. By that evidence, it's pretty safe to say Fnatic *should* quite easily beat KOO/KT in a BO5, using the team's performances in their most recent games against SKT as benchmarks. Even without bringing in the EDG 3-0.
the thing is that you're not even looking at the data correctly. you're bringing up data points that are relevant, yes, but you're forgetting context. again. you can't just say "x team beat y team this one time so there!" because teams being better than one another isn't a fucking math equation(yet another thing we've already been over), you have to talk about the players, the meta, their environment, etc.
like, it's really telling about how you argue that you spend so much time talking about FNC's data points, but literally never mention steeelback. literally one of the biggest supporting factors to your argument, and you ignore it, because it's not an easily referable piece of data that you can google and slap into a post. just another thing that shows that you don't really seem to understand how analysis of teams actually works, and that you aren't actually paying much attention to the scene(especially outside of EU) at all.
But to say Fnatic are not the significant favorites against KT/KOO, when you look at each team's respective performances against SKT, is overselling KT/KOO and underselling Fnatic. Using performances against SKT as a benchmark KT/KOO should lose to Fnatic. It might be closer than EDG. It might not be. They never got to play against EDG. I can't judge EDG's current level against KT/KOO.
you're really overselling FNC. are they good? yes. can they beat KT/KOO? yes. are they the favorites? absolutely not. we have no data on FNC playing against korean teams on this patch. there are a lot of factors that don't have clear answers. marin is historically good on these tanky fighters that are popular, but huni shows a lot of prowess on these more power based top laners that have been shown to be able to beat their tankier counterparts. but, can huni beat marin consistently? we don't have much data to go off of here.
reignover and bengi are pretty comparable this tournament imo, but bengi's players seem to be a lot stronger than reignover's on the whole.
febiven did solo kill faker. this is pretty significant because it shows that they're able to go toe to toe, especially because the mid lane meta is not all that different from previously. they also both have pretty big champion pools.
bang is probably just better than rekkles. yellowstar seems better than wolf. bot lane could go either way, but roaming will also play a huge factor into it.
but really, all of this isn't even relevant yet(which is why i'm not even bothering going in-depth), because of how much you're overselling FNC. their semi-final match is going to be a real battle, so you should really be thinking about how they compare to today's winner. it's not just a free win like you're acting like it is. they have a very, very, very real chance at losing.
tbh really what i'm getting at is this: stop talking about the pro scene like you know what you're talking about unless you're willing to back your statements up with data, facts, comparisons, reasonable predictions, examinations of players and the meta, etc. etc. you have shown time and time again that whenever EU is involved, you just assume EU is gonna win. you have also shown time and time again that you don't really understand how to do a proper analysis of basically anything in the game. either post a real, in-depth look at matchups with supporting data and facts, or please stop shitting up the thread with walls of text with random data points that ignore every piece of context that goes against what you want it to say.
