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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #840 on: April 25, 2013, 02:53:37 PM »
I was not thinking at all when I drew this...
Do I have a brain?
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On a side note, is my image size too big?
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #841 on: April 25, 2013, 03:59:49 PM »
Alice bathing? It's a pity Marisa misses this wonderful moment for her dirty things.
...Wait, what is this masculine Cirno doing here? Oh, I've got what happened to the witch. :derp:

480x480? And you think it could ever be big? Well, it could, but that times had long passed by, nearly along with Vader's Empire. :P
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #842 on: April 26, 2013, 10:05:06 PM »
@Kaze: That's really well-done :) And that improvement is fast! Good job, and color me jealous! As for feedback, all I can say is that you should get to doing digital. I'm sure a good number of us would love to see it <3

@Arkeden: Looks nice! What made you "not think" while you were drawing it, btw?


I've been working on an entry to that "Touhou Confessions" meme, and I'd like feedback on the lineart of Tenshi's figure right here. I'm almost at the point where I can color and shade her, so please excuse any flatness the lack of such gives it ^^;

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #843 on: April 26, 2013, 10:24:39 PM »
how the hell can you draw boobs yet I cant :(

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #844 on: April 26, 2013, 11:09:31 PM »
Hey Fondue

Right click image icon > rotate image 90? clockwise

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Damn kaze those are very nice hands! her sleeves are a little weird, and her torso is quite small but otherwise, great improvement so far!

Is her torso too thin or too short? Also I don't know how to draw clothes and I need to see pictures as reference to draw hands :~~


Holy crap, they really are

You improve fast for a BR, sir
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On a side note, is my image size too big?

No, it is okay, macho-Cirno approves it.

@Kaze: That's really well-done :) And that improvement is fast! Good job, and color me jealous! As for feedback, all I can say is that you should get to doing digital. I'm sure a good number of us would love to see it <3

Well I am starting to play with MyPaint (I painted my avatar using it, but I painted the pic 150x150, so it looks more derp :V), to draw using mouse is hard and hurts my hurted hand, maybe when I finish my undergraduate course I became a rich guy that can buy a Wacom tablet to draw :P
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #845 on: April 27, 2013, 12:33:36 AM »
@fondue:

xD It's just from a few angles. I've still a long way to go before I can be considered a true oppai artist.

@Kaze: oic. Looking forward to your digitals! And if you don't mind some feedback on that torso:

When it comes to realistic proportions, its width is rather lacking. But by anime standards, it's a standard build for thin characters. If your main goal in art is to make beautiful animu art (as opposed to throwing in extra anatomical correctness along with it), then the torsos you draw are just fine! As for the height, you can't really tell since it's not a full-body shot.

Feel free to take all that with a grain of salt :)



e: The hair in my pic has really been bothering me. I'd like to draw it all nice and voluminous, but I can't seem to pull it off. Anyone willing to give advice on that, please?

Also holy crap I forgot that Tenshi had a hat, and to draw it on her earlier. orz
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #846 on: April 27, 2013, 01:49:53 AM »
Koishi loves you too
I've just noticed your Koishi has her third eye open. What does that mean? OH SHI-
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #847 on: April 27, 2013, 08:05:34 AM »
Koishi loves you too

And you should draw the arm before drawing the clothes over it  :ohdear:

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #848 on: April 27, 2013, 10:45:42 AM »
how the hell can you draw boobs yet I cant :(

I...well, i don't think that's really....

...no, nevermind. Have you checked them boobies tuts yet? I'm sure a few have been posted. What problems do you have with em?

@honest espeon

In all honesty(hurhur), you need to learn facial anatomy. Badly. Her features are all over the place, her skull looks like...well, i have trouble even envisioning her skull there. You also seem to lack understanding as to how hair works at all.

In other news, we have overly burly shoulders (exceeding  even Jojo standards, i might add). Legs that don't look like legs but are rather exaggerated curves, and boobs that are big but don't stick outwards for whatever reason.

...I really, can't envision her as tenshi. Really. I don't know how long you have spent in drawing faces, but i think you're going to have to go back and do more. You should try tracing(not drawing, mind) a skull and take note of all its features and how they affect the way a face looks. Learn from that, then decide which parts you want to ignore for your own style before drawing a face over. Please do that.


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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #849 on: April 27, 2013, 11:25:50 AM »
Practicing my drawing skills(Caution! Blurry)


@Arkeden: Looks nice! What made you "not think" while you were drawing it, btw?


I originally intended to draw a normal cirno, but then, my habit kicks in.
Before I knew it,
I've been drawing manly cirno unconsciously as a habit "OTL

I've just noticed your Koishi has her third eyr open. What does that mean? OH SHI-

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #850 on: April 27, 2013, 12:57:00 PM »
I tried to drawed an Shun Kodori. Is this a :fail: or a  :* ?
I know I have to do some things though in the future. I have to make the head smaller, shoulders wider, hands bigger and LOLPROPORTIONS.jpg. Any other things I should work on?
Also, is there any way I can make this look less western-y (cartoon) and give it more of a Japanese feeling?
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #851 on: April 27, 2013, 03:05:02 PM »
I know I have to do some things though in the future. I have to make the head smaller, shoulders wider, hands bigger and LOLPROPORTIONS.jpg. Any other things I should work on?

Kinda hard to advice, I only draw furries when my friends requested it. Sorry.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #852 on: April 27, 2013, 06:05:24 PM »
@arkeden

Funny how the sketch looked alright, yet the final product seems to have degraded a fair bit.


-okuu's boobs are too close together. Her right boob should be further away from the centre.
-the facial structureis drawn wrong. Take a reference from real life.
-whatever happened to the neck?
-lines meant to show body contours only make it wrong, because they simply shouldn't be there. In fact, i don't believe you can possibly show those with anything but shading. (The bit below the ribs, pecs, etc.)
-i can't see how her mecha arm can possibly bend that way
-her ass isn't defined well, and her hips aren't close to the width of her shoulders.
-I noticed the angle of her crotch is different than her shoulders, but i see no evidence of the torso twisting.

As for cirno...well, let's not talk about her, because i can only state that she looks incredibly wrong. Misplaced shoulders, small hand, short arm, no eyes, utterly deformed legs, and so on.

I'm afraid i can't let you off on this, because you seem to have been incredibly lazy with this work. Cirno's hair for example, looked like someone dabbling in mspaint; sharp, jagged lines and a fill colour. In fact, i can't see how you could mess her anatomy so much unless you've been skimping on it. Okuu's hair is a gradient, shading is sparse, lacking in many places. It's also spikey and jagged.

I can't truly tell what you're lacking because i don't know which problem of the drawing is attributed to your laziness or just lack of practice in some area. All i can say is, if you're having trouble keeping motivation, stick to one person per drawing, and study the contours of the body and how light shines on it.

@Fondue
Please learn anatomy. I'm no animal specialist, but even i can tell there is something horribly wrong with that face. Anthro artists require knowledge of both the structure of the human and animal body before applying a portion of each in accordance to their style. You need to check up on how to draw animal heads before trying this again. Examining how the skull works is about the first step you could do.
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #853 on: April 27, 2013, 06:55:21 PM »
"pleasue learn anatomy" is one of the worst things you can 'critique'
if that worked so well your skills wouldnt be like what you have now huh
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #854 on: April 27, 2013, 07:04:22 PM »
@Arkeden: Hm, I c. Sounds Zen. And eah, the boobs are a bit too close together. Unless they're being pushed together by something like clothing, they should be a little farther apart. In that pic's specific case, no cleavage should've been visible.



I'll be trying that, but how would I go about learning how the skull affects the outer flesh (extremely slow learner who learns best from specifics, here)? Also, for a head that's bowed down a little, how should the features be arranged as opposed to how I arranged them? I understand about the shoulders;  in the base sketch I did in purple the shoulders were actually proportionate. Figured out the solution.

Please be more specific on what makes the hair look off. If it helps any, I was trying to make the hair look voluminous, like you see in a lot of Tenshi fanart.

As for the boobs, I think its the lack of shading (also the frills; please give specifics on fixing those too) that made them seem to lack any forward projection (as I noted, I'm just almost at that point. After I draw in forgotten details :P).

(Please correct me if I'm wrong on anything I said, though, preferably with a demostrative picture and a specific explanation)

I also had a hard time seeing her as a Tenshi, though not because of the face ^^;

Thanks for the feedback! :)


@Vento: I guess that just reinforces the importance of giving specifics instead of referring people to vague theory? :P
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #855 on: April 27, 2013, 07:18:47 PM »
@espeon

I can't explain. Just trace the skull, and from there, see where the features would go. Just think that skin wraps around the skull, ignoring muscles, and go from there.

If you want me to be specific about the features, they are too close, too low unaligned to the chin, one eye is smaller than the other...yeah.

I don't think there is a need to be specific about the hair, because every mistake is a result from not knowing what hair is. Always know that hair starts from a single root or a 'point'. Draw guidelines to show the direction where some strands of hair would go, instead of drawing curves.

@vento
You don't seem to understand the importance of anatomy. I improved from my shitty, worthless doodles when a few people told me to 'learn anatomy'. In those exact words. They did emphasise the importance, but how to do so was vague. But I took up a bunch of resources and started 'learning anatomy', as it were. that was the start of my improvement. It's not the worst critique. If someone is lacking in that department, that is what i will tell them. I might, however, tell them what to focus on if they're weak at a certain aspect, but it still remains a fact that they have to learn anatomy. Resources will teach much better than i can in a shorter span of time. They are there for a reason.
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #856 on: April 27, 2013, 07:27:51 PM »

I didnt say anatomy was useless, more like your words were

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #857 on: April 27, 2013, 07:39:08 PM »
Wow okay guys
I didnt say anatomy was useless, more like your words were
NotaPirate already addressed this.
I improved from my shitty, worthless doodles when a few people told me to 'learn anatomy'. In those exact words. They did emphasise the importance, but how to do so was vague.
The argument here is that saying just "learn anatomy" can suffice. It tells someone that there are too many problems with the anatomy in general, and that learning on your own would be more effective than just trying to fix whatever people list out.
Just listing out problems is only a temporary fix because the artist in question might think "Okay I can just adjust these things and I'm good," which is an issue because what if you don't point out a certain flaw in the drawing? It won't get fixed. More importantly, it only addresses the problems in that particular drawing, rather than the artist's abilities. This means it may be less helpful for them in the long run.
I think what NotaPirate's implying here makes sense.

That being said - NotaPirate, I think you took it well in your day, but not everyone can learn that way. At least mention a few things wrong so that they have at least a sense of where to start.
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #858 on: April 27, 2013, 07:49:33 PM »
NotaPirate already addressed this.
So you decided to repeat it just so you could have a say, huh? :V

They both read what they both said, man. They disagree, that's all.
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #859 on: April 27, 2013, 07:59:53 PM »
So you decided to repeat it just so you could have a say, huh? :V
I never thought of it that way, but I guess you could say that? :U It didn't sound like Vento addressed NotaPirate's argument to me, so I wanted to add something.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #860 on: April 27, 2013, 08:00:50 PM »
oh wow i post a derpy kemono drawing and i stir up an argument :( Sorry

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #861 on: April 27, 2013, 08:06:20 PM »
@Pirate: All right, then. And I've known for a long time that hair starts from a single point and you draw it from there, but apparently I got it wrong anyways. And the head is bowed down in a quarter view, so isn't one eye supposed to look smaller than the other due to perspective?

The argument here is that saying just "learn anatomy" can suffice. It tells someone that there are too many problems with the anatomy in general, and that learning on your own would be more effective than just trying to fix whatever people list out.
Just listing out problems is only a temporary fix because the artist in question might think "Okay I can just adjust these things and I'm good," which is an issue because what if you don't point out a certain flaw in the drawing? It won't get fixed. More importantly, it only addresses the problems in that particular drawing, rather than the artist's abilities. This means it may be less helpful for them in the long run.

Not all artists would think what was bolded, there. Some would just aim to piece out how something actually works through feedback on several drawings that portray the same thing from different angles or such. It's that whole "put the pieces of the puzzle together to get the big picture" mentality.

And as great as it would be to just look up resources (read: books) on general anatomy, the great majority (if not the entirety) of said resources would be just incomprehensible(or have no lasting helpfulness) to some aspiring students. Why is this? Well, it's not like there is only one or zero people in the world who can't understand jack shit from oft-reccomended resources, same way that a great many people can't have their psychological issues solved by any variety of visits to the shrink.

@fondue: It's not an argument, so don't feel bad. It's a discussion :)

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #862 on: April 27, 2013, 10:25:37 PM »
And as great as it would be to just look up resources (read: books) on general anatomy, the great majority (if not the entirety) of said resources would be just incomprehensible(or have no lasting helpfulness) to some aspiring students. Why is this? Well, it's not like there is only one or zero people in the world who can't understand jack shit from oft-reccomended resources, same way that a great many people can't have their psychological issues solved by any variety of visits to the shrink.

And by 'some' you mean yourself, right? You have this recurring problem where you generalize your personal experience to 'some' or even 'a great many.' Not only do you have no way of knowing whether this is accurate, but it's not helpful to anyone, least of all you. That is to say, there's an important difference between A) "This source/advice is vague/unhelpful" and B) "I don't understand this."

A is what you are doing. It implies the problem is with the advice-giver; it's speculative and quite probably inaccurate; it can put the advice-giver on the defensive and derail the discussion.

B invites further explanation. It's the only option that's constructive, i.e. that focuses the conversation where it belongs: on figuring out what you're doing wrong and how to fix it.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #863 on: April 27, 2013, 10:51:54 PM »
I meant myself and whoever else shares the same problem. I don't think only of myself, you know. I may not have a perfectly solid source on its accuracy, but it's pretty common sense to think that the problem of "not being able to comprehend what a kind of book is teaching you" isn't restricted to one person, if you think about it. I mean, otherwise people couldn't claim that a person's psychological issues are not unique to them and not get called out on it. Though I guess you're right in that I did deliver my message the wrong way, that it's not helpful, and that I should've done it as you pointed out in B. So, allow me to rephrase:

What am I supposed to do to make myself comprehend what drawing books are trying to communicate to me? Merely rereading it seems to have no effect. Perhaps others who share my problem can make good use of the solution, as well.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #864 on: April 27, 2013, 11:02:44 PM »
oh wow i post a derpy kemono drawing and i stir up an argument :( Sorry
You didn't. :V

Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #865 on: April 28, 2013, 01:18:26 AM »
@Hawflakes

Yes that was the point i intended to convey. I do give a drection of where to start sometimes (start with the skull, etc.), but I don't think pointing out things they got wrong would tell them anything other than "fix x".

@Espeon

If you understood how hair worked, you aren't acting on it. Like i said, draw guides. Lines that go from the root of the hair to the direction you think that one clump of hair should go to.

And really, i think you should stop asking questions and get to hands on. If you can get yourself a skull reference of the same angle, you can see for yourself if one eyesocket is magically smaller than the other. I can't tell you everything. Hands on is there for a reason.

Anyway, let's stop this 'discussion' and just take it easy. If anyone wants me to elaborate on the critique I give, I don't mind doing so. I don't post to say "lolanatomy" and fly out in a flamboyant pink penguin cape all the while laughing to myself in a deep opera voice, I post to offer critique and advice that I think would be at least of some use to the artist, as well as my own opinion. If there are any problems with how I do things, take it up with me on pm.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #866 on: April 28, 2013, 02:42:40 AM »
the great majority (if not the entirety) of said resources would be just incomprehensible(or have no lasting helpfulness) to some aspiring students.
What?! A find minute google will find you a million of resources a 5-year old would understand. I'm not even an artist and I have 3 or 4 books on anatomy going from "so simple it's literally told in comic book form" to "medical-level detailed anatomy"
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #867 on: April 28, 2013, 05:20:47 AM »
And as great as it would be to just look up resources (read: books) on general anatomy, the great majority (if not the entirety) of said resources would be just incomprehensible(or have no lasting helpfulness) to some aspiring students.
Then those aspiring students just aren't suited to this hobby. It's like telling a mathematician to write a treatise on kittens.

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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #868 on: April 28, 2013, 05:45:16 AM »
Well, Pirate decided to show me this thread for whatever reason and asked me to review some artists so I guess I'll oblige and look over the ones he looked over already.

Honest Espeon
A quick look at your Tenshi picture says that you don't have a solid grasp on the bones and outlying muscles that shape the human body. The signs are everywhere - the lack of knuckles or tendons in the hands, the lack of defined wrists, the lack of visible knees and tendons on the neck (skippable if your style prefers very slender necks), and the various features of the head, such as the nose and mouth not aligned with the way the skull should be shaping the head at its current angle (about 40-50 degrees to the right and 30 degrees down). The eyes are also a bit low on that skull.

Before fixing anything else, you need to get to work on being able to shape the more subtle parts of the human body. You have visible forearms, thighs and calves...and that's about it. A quick look at your own body (provided your build is similar to Tenko's) should reveal the parts of the body that need more definitive shape. The more (correct!) detail you have, the better.

I would also suggest not drawing clothes at the same time as drawing the body, which is what I assume happened because it looks like Tenko is sporting football gear around her shoulders. And those breasts are not shaped properly given that pose.

If you actually want some detailed critique, it would be wise to give examples of your preferred methods when you draw. What is the base you start out with? Do you use basic geometrical shapes? Do you just draw according to feel? The more information we have, the more advice we can provide, and the better the chances that something will come up to be of use to you.

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Animal anatomy isn't my specialty as I've not laid eyes on many animals in reality, but your picture does indeed give off a very western-cartoonish feeling to it. Giving it a more 'eastern style' feeling would depend on what you plan to achieve with this drawing. Do you want this to be more animal than humanoid, or the other way around? Do you want to emphasize that this creature is from the east, or just that your drawing style of this sketch looks like it was influenced by eastern art?

Specifics, please. When drawings become more about style and creativity than realism, it helps to have as much information as possible to guide your sketch to what you want it to be.

Arkeden
Pirate hit upon several valid points but I'm too lazy to sort them out so I'll just rewrite the ones I agreed with, along with a few of my own observations.

Okuu's right shoulder is much thicker than her left. That armpit should be higher, which should in turn affect the location of the breasts. When the shoulder is raised, the breasts should be farther apart and slightly higher. And this is after you fix the general angle of the upper and lower torso.

To be specific, it looks like you are having trouble striking a common angle for Okuu. The head is at a 90 degree angle from the center, the shoulders are about 30 degrees off center, the upper torso is about 50 degrees off center, and the lower torso is about 10 degrees off. The head aside, the torso needs a bit of work.

The angle from which Okuu's right arm protrudes from her shoulder does not at all match what seems to be an arm with absolutely no foreshortening.

Cirno's a much bigger problem since she's not very defined and what I see right now does not at all match up with a human body. I would ask for a redraw on that since fixing it would take more work.

To everyone involved in the argument about how2art, just keep in mind that not everyone learns how to draw using the same steps or tutorials and such. Everyone has their Achilles' Heel when it comes to drawing, and sometimes it takes special methods to overcome it. But regardless, what you absolutely must need is attention to detail and a patient mind and heart. Your drawing only gets as far as you do.
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Re: Post Your Artwork Thread V5
« Reply #869 on: April 28, 2013, 07:13:58 AM »
@HakureiSM: Apparently, there are exceptions to how supposedly easy it is to learn general concepts about drawing and applying them for well-paced improvement over time.

@Kinoko: That analogy implies that those far from a decent fit for art might as well give up. Way back when, something similar could've been said about those who can learn from those dry programming texts and those who couldn't. Nowadays, with new learning materials that are so accessible, clear, and non-dry to aspiring programmers, you can see a boom in the amount of people able to program. Of course, that's not counting those university graduates who turn out to suck at their jobs due to bad advisement... But I digress.

The point is, that sure, some people may not be nearly apt for some things as others, but that wouldn't be so much of an issue if learning resources for drawing had progressed as far as those for programming. There are even IRC networks and channels dedicated to helping budding programmers blossom into splendid writers of tomorrow's software in a specific programming language. Nothing similar exists for art students.

@Saber Nero:

Yeah, you're right about my lack of knowledge about the underlying bone structures. My build's not the same as Tenko's, so I can't go that route. Best I can use it for is hands and arms, of which the shapes can be easily-enough altered due to what knowledge of the bone structures I do have. ...I thought I drew the breast shape decently ok, since the arms push against the sides of the torso, causing the breasts to be pushed together and seem taller(saggier?) compared to in a plain standing pose. Apparently not xD

And no, I don't draw clothes at the same time as the body; it's after that. Before I can describe my preferred methods, please explain what you mean by drawing according to feel.

Thanks for the input! :)
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