Labyrinth of Touhou discussion thread #2

[Ghaleon]

I use print screen on the keyboard, then open up paint or photoshop or whatever you use, and ctrl-V to paste.
With this game I sometimes get just black. Dunno why, only sometimes.

[Serela]

Seems like everyone who played and got far/beat this game started a 2nd game right away. Truly I have never seen an RPG so damn good where everyone wants to start over immediately after beating it >=P.
I know if this was any other game I'd call it quits after accidently deleting my 2nd game, but no, gonna do it again >=P.

Heck, I think I'll even do a THIRD playthrough after I get to New Game+. I've never done that. Several games I've played through twice, and maybe two games I went about 1/3 through a third time. But this game is just too good.

Of course, I'll probably set limitations on myself to make the game harder. Maybe I'll even make a youtube account and upload the videos, that time! I should start planning how I'll make it harder x3

I suppose I could one of these things:Sub-Par team (with the help of New Game+ char unlock), No Equipment, Limited character amount(as in, less then 12), and I'd probably limit myself to only one set team.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ok, I got some screen shots showing the oddity, but I have no clue on how to put the pic into a message, and even if I did know how the pics all have later-game chars in them, so if I posted them, that would be spoiler-tastic.

Any solutions to the problems?

[nintendonut888]

Just reached Yukari, got to her third phase my first try. If she didn't take out all my heavy hitters in the first phase I would have had a fair chance at beating her. As it stands perhaps I should grind a bit before fighting her again...

EDIT: ...Wow, for all the hype, I was NOT expecting to beat Yukari my second try. Suwako's Croaking Frog dealt over 60k damage a hit.

[nintendonut888]

Oooookay, I think my team defeated Yukari a bit sooner than the game expected, because the floor 17 enemies are thrashing me significantly more than a new floor of enemies normally would. My team is in their mid 60s to mid 70s. Any tips on the enemies in this floor? Also, is it just me, or is Yukari not near as useful as she was making herself out to be? :[

[LHCling]

Also, is it just me, or is Yukari not near as useful as she was making herself out to be? :[

It's all in how you invest the Skill Points and Ability usage.

17/18F takes things up a few notches I suppose. Tips? Outspeed them. 180+ SPD should do it for 17F. Though, it all depends on whether those characters have enough firepower to take them out as well. Other than that, I don't have much insight, unless you want specific monster tips.

[nintendonut888]

Outspeeding them alone pretty much does nothing but guarantee I can run from them, rather than getting completely party killed before anyone gets to move. >_> Tips on individual monsters would be great.

I'm grinding on floor 16 for now, since even though floor 17 gives about 2000 more EXP per fight, I actually LIVE through more than one fight on floor 16.

[Milkyway64]

My advice? Chen abuse to run to floor 18. It gets much more manageable there, IMO.

[Fishin]

Oooookay, I think my team defeated Yukari a bit sooner than the game expected, because the floor 17 enemies are thrashing me significantly more than a new floor of enemies normally would. My team is in their mid 60s to mid 70s. Any tips on the enemies in this floor? Also, is it just me, or is Yukari not near as useful as she was making herself out to be? :[

I haven't used her much myself, but she seems much more like a supporter in boss fights than an attacker.

Also, if you want to make grinding easier, you could put Flandre in your party and then manipulate it so that her speed is just slightly lower than everyone else's.  Laevatein + the rest of your party's attacks should wreck mobs pretty easily.

[nintendonut888]

I haven't beaten Flandre yet. >_> She does so much damage not even Tenshi after her 100% defense buff can survive more than one hit.

[Ghaleon]

I haven't beaten Flandre yet. >_> She does so much damage not even Tenshi after her 100% defense buff can survive more than one hit.

Yukari must have gone easy on you damn. Yukari could 1shot anybody including Tenshi with a buffed insect swarm or flying swallow thing or whatever the heck that row attack that makes these torpedos launch from a portal from the left side to the screen to the right is after her big phase 3 buff.

I also had a hard time with her because I don't know about you, but I swore the computer knew when to use that stupid move that made my action bar goto 0, and on who.. Like "zomg I need to heal my whole party, gogo reimu" *yukari blows reimu's ap guage to 0 from 99% full* ARRRGH

You have no idea how often she did that. She TOTALLY knew who to screw up like that. ARGH

[yoshicookiezeus]

Yoshicookie, that attack is used on whoever is furthest left, every time. This is similar to how trash target your party, just trash prefers those on the left over those on the right, but could still hit the 4th slot char if your unlucky.

Wait... So the random encounter enemies does that too? I never noticed... Though then again, I usually manage to get rid of most of them (ARGH stupid demon top things) before they attack.

If memory serves she always fires at the first slot. As such, its usually best to have someone with high HP there since the move is capable of piercing pretty well (assuming it follows the same formula the player version does, of course).

Heh. That thing took out anyone in one hit, so I just went with the "sacrifice" strategy, placed some unimportant character there, and used the other three to take her out before she could fire it more than twice.

Yes, except he can use Flowing Hellfire as often as he darn well feels like it. Have lots of fire resistance prepped if you can.

Oh god. Given how much trouble I had staying alive against the predictable 7F version, I think I'll wait with this one until I've finished the 10-12F maze.

[nintendonut888]

She MUST have gone easy on me, because I never saw that attack. :V I'm really not complaining. Really though, she seemed to be fairly easy. Cirno just needed to debuff her speed, Reimu needed to heal everyone, and Suwako and Yugi's combined forces took about 1/7 of her health per round. The only hard parts were the Djinn storms, but I just needed to do a bunch of switching to speed everyone's recovery. Also I killed her before she ever buffed herself with IN Quadruple Barrier.

It must be because she knows I love her~

[Pesco]

Weak. Flan can kill her before she even makes the first release. :V

[AlexX Unlimited]

I haven't beaten Flandre yet. >_> She does so much damage not even Tenshi after her 100% defense buff can survive more than one hit.

Advice: Don't bring Marisa into that fight. Absolutely NOTHING she can do will deal reasonable damage, including her full-power Master Spark. >.>

[trancehime]

Weak. Flan can kill her before she even makes the first release. :V

Yeah, very true. Flan is ridiculously holy shit what the fuck broken.

[AlexX Unlimited]

Yeah, very true. Flan is ridiculously holy shit what the fuck broken.

Didn't someone earlier in the topic say they were using her to tank with? =V

[trancehime]

Didn't someone earlier in the topic say they were using her to tank with? =V

u mad

Admittedly, Flan's DEF growth is simply below average. Her MND is just complete shit though.

[Pesco]

Didn't someone earlier in the topic say they were using her to tank with? =V

Meatshield like Komachi.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ooooook... I see that no one is using spoiler tags... why? Is it a "no one cares :V" bit or is everyone just lazy?

[Deranged]

Oh god. Given how much trouble I had staying alive against the predictable 7F version, I think I'll wait with this one until I've finished the 10-12F maze.

Actually, the "whenever he feels like it" part is untrue. All the Foe enemies always follow the pattern of Flowing Hellfire -> 3x (Tackle or Slash) -> repeat. The problem comes if the AI roulette chooses to Tackle or Slash an empty spot due to someone dying, in which case it'll choose another move and target, but it still counts towards the pattern despite the move never going off at all.

In other words, if you can keep characters in the 4 main slots during every one of his turns, he'll (usually) follow the pattern. If you ever leave a slot open during his attack, you're leaving it up to chance whether it changes his pattern or not.

The fact that some of

Spoiler:

Orin's

moves does not have this "retargeting" is what makes the game crash on her sometimes if you leave open slots in your party. It's also why if you use

Spoiler:

Tenshi

to sole tank and switching in damagers during safe periods method against her, sometimes she'll completely skip 1 or more of the 2 initial

Spoiler:

Cats Walks

that she always does with a full party out.

This might change during low health period though, that part I'm not sure of.

[Serela]

You beat her... 15 levels below when I did... ;-;

Also, the way I use her is as a tank. I spent all her level up bonuses on MND she its even better then Patchy's (aka GOD LEVEL). Comine that with her party buff and she's nigh invulnerable to magic, plus with decent HP/DEF.

Spiriting Away and Mesh of Light&Darkness(For SPD down/PAR) are pretty useful when she isn't buffing or focusing, although the former is a mass SP cost and you better just switch her out for a sec so she can move again before an eternity passed. Against random encounters, those are STILL the two useful moves, because since I didn't spend her level ups on MAG she can't really deal damage for me.

[Pesco]

Ooooook... I see that no one is using spoiler tags... why? Is it a "no one cares :V" bit or is everyone just lazy?

Mostly lazy noobs. The folks from the first thread are pretty much past spoilers since we're on our second playthrough/doing research. It was spoiler tags for all characters beyond Yuugi.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Ok. Also, how do I post pictures on MotK? I have pics showing a... problem I guess would be the word for it. The problem is in Labyrinth of course :V

[Pesco]

Upload it somewhere and link it. Follow the normal rules for posting pics.

[nintendonut888]

I should ask: What element is starbow break? If I can buff that resistance, maybe I can survive it.

You beat her... 15 levels below when I did... ;-;

I'm also 15 levels underleveled. ;-;

[MysTeariousYukari]

If I remember correctly, Starbow has no element. I think it's just a powerful physical move. I could be wrong though :V

[yoshicookiezeus]

Any tips for fighting

Spoiler:

Tenshi

? Most of my characters can't even hurt her, and she likes to kill off the ones who can (Marisa, Patchy, Rumia, and

Spoiler:

Nitori

) with

Spoiler:

Sword of Rapture or World-Creating Press

, which none of them can take even with the combined buffs of Reimu and

Spoiler:

Ran

. Everything goes mostly fine until I get to a point where I simply run out of meat shields to switch in while my damage-dealers recover SP...

I also tried fighting the boss trio of F12, which didn't go very well either. Trying to keep everyone healed while getting attacked by three people simultaneously doesn't seem like the easiest task.

[Jaimers]

YES! I beat the damn thing! 
Killed it with a last ditch effort Master Spark, which was pretty awesome.
MS does less damage than Silent Selene.  :V
I guess I need more sp before it becomes ridiculously powerfull?

Grinded 1-2 levels, spend all my skillpoints and gave Remilia and Meiling some bomb rings before the battle so they could survive the deathwave. After that it was just a matter of getting everyone else the hell out of dodge when he was about to use his deathwave, which I noticed has a pattern to it.
I haven't said it yet, but the music on floor 7 is fucking awesome.

Anyway, what's the highest anyone has gotten their encounter meter? I got mine to 92% once.  :V

[Jyazen]

I've got till 108.4% before. I went "Wha-?" and took a screenshot before getting an encounter the very next step, lol.