Minecraft Server! (IMPORTANT POLL VOTE NOW)

[DX7.EP]

holy shit it's past 7 what am I doing up

I just thought the exact same thing, though 1 hour behind. I hate my sleeping schedule in summer. :derp:

[Eraiya]

Pros and cons of sending confirmed griefers to a jail!

Pros
* It's often more amusing for the normal players than simply /kickbanning them.

Cons
* Thanks to commands like /home and /warp, you'll also need to install a jail-related plugin for this, or DDR would have to make a new usergroup that doesn't have any permissions- this would include placing/breaking blocks. That being the equivalent of the "Banned" usergroup, you may as well just type /ban [name], /kick [name] or /kickban [name] if this server has that command. While a person with no permissions, including placing/breaking blocks, can't seem to do much, they can still try to be a thief and a...

* Chat spammer. If they can't get to you by destroying your stuff/stealing from you, what will they do? Disrupt your conversations. If there's no /mute command for the moderators of this server, be prepared to kick a griefer within thirty seconds of sending them to the jail, since it likely won't be long before they start spamming gibberish or a single letter to constantly try and fill up the chat screen. In the event that a spammer is jailed and there's no /mute command on this server, this negates the one and only "pro" there is to jailing people; it's hard to find a griefer being jailed amusing when they're a spammer, too.

* The possibility of escape. It would only be a matter of time until another update breaks the plugins keeping them jailed, and once broken, that would open up the possibility for them to escape. What first brought this thought up was the suggestion to have the jail be in the Space world; the moment they jump to their death to kill themself, unless there was some special spawn set up just for them, they'd respawn in the normal world, ready to continue griefing again. By /banning and /kicking someone, there's no risk of them escaping, then stealing from various chests and such.

* The mindset. "Oh, they haven't outright banned me; they're not even kicking me! They must want me to stay on the server." With that mindset, if they didn't go with the, "Welp, I guess I'll be a spammer since I can't annoy them in any other way now" route, eventually, they'd be asking to be let out, telling you that they have nothing but the best intentions, that someone else did all the griefing or that they're "really sorry," etc, etc. (Funny how they mention, "lol ya im sry now unban mee" after they constantly denied doing any griefing for 30+ minutes straight, only admitting to it after they're facing consequences for it.) It's not so much the annoyance factor of, "Yes, we heard you the first, second and twentieth time, plus all the times in-between: you want to be let out/unbanned. We get it," it's the possibility of a kind-hearted moderator thinking to themself, "Well, I guess they HAVE been in there for a long time now... Y'know, maybe they really didn't grief, despite BigBrother saying otherwise/Sure, they griefed, but maybe they really did learn their lesson by sitting in time-out for awhile; maybe I can trust 'em," then letting them go free, only for that griefer to repeat their actions.

One of my favorite quotes would have to be, "With a more definite method of victory on hand, what need is there to choose a hazardous one?" and I believe it applies strongly to this situation. Why take all these risks with /jailing someone when you have the risk-free /ban and /kick commands at your disposal?

[Azure Lazuline]

Improbable and probably impossible, but funny solution: Send them to an exact copy of our world, but it's saved separately. They can grief all they want but nothing will affect the main world. Make sure not to tell them they're in another dimension.

[DX7.EP]

Improbable and probably impossible, but funny solution: Send them to an exact copy of our world, but it's saved separately. They can grief all they want but nothing will affect the main world. Make sure not to tell them they're in another dimension.

Seems more chaotic if anything.

Whitelist seems to be the most popular option amongst regular players though.

EDIT: Until DDR can ban them, I'm pulling my own diplomacy and exiling charcaid and adrian246 to the unused sphere world. Told them to "develop the land for all of us"...so far that comes in about 50 creeper holes.
Once they are banned, reset Sphere again. It's not like we lose out on anything.

[Eraiya]

Improbable and probably impossible, but funny solution: Send them to an exact copy of our world, but it's saved separately. They can grief all they want but nothing will affect the main world. Make sure not to tell them they're in another dimension.

Oh god, that reminds me so much of classic. Whenever I'd ban someone, there'd be a message alerting them that their account and IP had both been banned, and that all their modifications they'd made had been undone. 9/10 times, they'd keep trying to grief anyway. On their screen, they'd continue to grief, but on everyone else's, everything was fine; their griefing was entirely clientside after being banned. A lot of times, I and other moderators/administrators would just let them stay, continuing to think they were griefing. Does sound like a neat, if difficult-to-implement idea, though.

Theep - Excellent idea! If they ever return to the main world with /warp [you know the one], which they most likely will eventually, either erase that warp or set up the smallest bedrock rectangular prism around it that you can and let all MotK members know not to use that warp. If an MotK member does so anyway, needs to get out and doesn't have a /home set, using /tphere will free them. Also, if you can, see if you can figure out where their /homes are set to, if they have one set in our world. I think I have an idea of where they might be, but I'm not entirely sure.

[DX7.EP]

Theep - Excellent idea! If they ever return to the main world with /warp [you know the one], which they most likely will eventually, either erase that warp or set up the smallest bedrock rectangular prism around it that you can and let all MotK members know not to use that warp. If an MotK member does so anyway, needs to get out and doesn't have a /home set, using /tphere will free them. Also, if you can, see if you can figure out where their /homes are set to, if they have one set in our world. I think I have an idea of where they might be, but I'm not entirely sure.

Thanks for your support

I am planning to do just that (enclosure), actually.
I told them to /sethome there as well (they all have Default status in Sphere). Will test with them soon...though for them /home seems to be tied to dimension. Odd!
Also, if any non-MotKers are on do NOT talk about this.

IMPORTANT!
Whoever's tower is next to sphere portal will get covered by this! I tried to copy it all at once but the entire area is covered by region protection! So you will have to rebuild.
Also you will see an ugly-ass bedrock formation near community house...damnit DDR, we mods REALLY need region protection bypassing! And I inadvertently ruined the skyline this way :derp: but I guess we did what has to be done .

[DDRMANIAC007]

I did some investigating... the sphere world was corrupted without any back-ups.
We should stick with the normal world for a while.

[DX7.EP]

I did some investigating... the sphere world was corrupted without any back-ups.
We should stick with the normal world for a while.

And let the griefers rot in Sphere World

We have seemed to stick with regular old world anyways given the more distant camps.

Checked with Sphere Griefers often (after oh-so-many supply trips and internal squabbling amongst themselves, plus a bunch of mobs that made it seem like Super Hard Modo to them (stupid EASY MODO players)) and so far they have managed to build a fancy little base for themselves, along with a giant wall blocking half of the large sphere I forwarded them to from mobs and initial work on overpasses.
They seem to just play here, though, since their other server is often down.

[HakureiSM]

Das sprites, as seen at night from the Hakurei tower.

[CadrinHaverit]

Yeah, figured out that the top of your tower is a great place to admire the pixel art. (Although, to be perfectly frank, they do kind of obstruct the natural landscapes.)

The MotK user going by the name of KoishiKomeiji in Minecraft (EDIT: Eternitysky) told me to mention here that the griefers might've been griefing again. I sort of spammed the chat so fast that I failed to notice who they were (as they left the server), but they've been killing each other a lot and mentioned something about their house being ruined.

TaylorGX and some other two guys with digits in their nicknames... Sorry for failing to write them down. :/

[EternitySky]

i think they are greifing, because 1) taylorGx kept killing each other, and 2) a little while ago, they said that their "base" was ruined and they're leaving... found it suspicous so i told Cadrin to post here for an mod since i lag to much with minecraft on....

[Edit]: Also, i asked them to stop killing each other but, they never responded and ignored us.
 
Progress on nightclub: ishy ... lost all of my equipment and matierals that was on me... cuz of lava -.- stupid lag...

lost diamond equipment set
lightstone
and 2-3 stacks of torches...

decided to take a break xD

[Dr.Strafe]

Pros and cons of sending confirmed griefers to a jail!

While I am a major advocate for the jail idea, you do raise some good points. I was thinking earlier that we would need to create a "Jailed" usergroup that would mute them and disable warping/building. You have helped me realize how these ideas can be defeated.

Improbable and probably impossible, but funny solution: Send them to an exact copy of our world, but it's saved separately. They can grief all they want but nothing will affect the main world. Make sure not to tell them they're in another dimension.

Not a bad suggestion. However, I think that it might give them the impression that we condone griefing now. Not to mention that they'll think that something is up when people aren't pissed off about the destruction.


As for the whitelist.. I think we should keep this idea on the table, but not instate it as of yet. We're getting more users that haven't shown themselves to be griefers, and I like that. It's not like we can interview them before letting them in anyway..

I still maintain my position that we should be able to /ban. By now, these idiots have realized that we cannot ban them. Hell, charcaid was practically baiting us to do it yesterday.

[CadrinHaverit]

Oh yeah, the duo of potential troublemakers showed up as I was preparing to leave the server after 12 hours of non-stop Minecraft no-lifing. SRG1131 and founded1992. They were the sole online people on the server after I left. Apparently friends of those chaps. They, along with TaylorGx, stayed longer than the other weird guys sent to the Sphere Realm (although Taylor stayed the longest). They started dying a lot to each other and other hazards after EP had left. Also Founded mentioned their house being destroyed and them leaving because of that before disconnecting. Taylor stayed after that and continued his regular routine of dying to random mobs.

You guys gonna love the wall of the rave night club in the village.

Last but not least, may I ask where we are allowed to mention the names and details of the faraway locations and where we are not? I'm tired of not being able to call the places in game by their names in order to protect them from griefers, there's got to be a place where you can mention them freely.

In other news, I've established a LARGE wheat farm on the coast just east of the village, past the forest and slightly to the north. It's public because it produces shedloads of wheat from one harvest (that is, if all of the field is in use, and it's not atm). Follow the path of torches. It's unfinished but fully operational regardless. Just pull a lever at the top level to instantly harvest the entire field. Bring a ho(e) with you and till the ground and replant the seeds after you harvest please. It's in dire need of seeds. The chests are not protected and free to browse (please don't take anything though), but beware of my ever-vigilant dog. He might bite.

EDIT: someone handy with redstone and with too much time on their hands please place some detector rails in the brick express and wire them to note blocks and make it play Maiden's Capriccio during the journey. Pleeeeeeease? Come on, that'd be totally awesome. And an added challenge to try to get all the notes spot-on. Keep in mind that the note blocks only support 2 full octaves, I'm not sure if that's enough.

EDIT 2:

a bunch of mobs that made it seem like Super Hard Modo to them (stupid EASY MODO players)

Hey, gotta grant them that, if Touhou had a ~300ms delay and stuttery, erratically moving bullets, even easy modo would be hard.

[Eraiya]

While I am a major advocate for the jail idea, you do raise some good points. I was thinking earlier that we would need to create a "Jailed" usergroup that would mute them and disable warping/building. You have helped me realize how these ideas can be defeated.

Not a bad suggestion. However, I think that it might give them the impression that we condone griefing now. Not to mention that they'll think that something is up when people aren't pissed off about the destruction.

You made me think of this picture.

I still maintain my position that we should be able to /ban. By now, these idiots have realized that we cannot ban them. Hell, charcaid was practically baiting us to do it yesterday.

Complete agreement. But about the whitelist thing, my preferred, alternate method of handling such a thing has always been to ask for the server owner to adjust permissions so that default ranked players can't destroy/modify anything, and after a brief period of time spent getting to know the members of the server, if none of them have any objections, the new users are quickly bumped up to a rank with permissions to do normal things like building, using /sethome, etc.

It's like a whitelist, but with the added benefits of the users being able to take a tour of the server and being able to get to know some of its members, too, while the positive effects for the members = a greater chance of letting in good, honest people who may previously have been held back by the whitelist, plus the possibility of talking to potential griefers and stopping them before they ever have a chance to do anything bad to the server/its members.

Cadrin - Unfortunately, due to all sorts of different, little factors, mostly having to do with the time it takes for clients/servers to send/receive information to/from one another, it's just about impossible to get a series of note blocks to play the exact same thing in the exact same way two times in a row on multiplayer servers. Speaking from (annoyed) experience. But, hey, who knows, that could've been fixed by now. But, knowing how much time and effort Notch loves to dedicate to fixing things, I don't think so.

[Dr.Strafe]

I have been watching TaylorGx, SRG1131, and founded1992 from afar.  All three have fallen into the bedrock/sphere trap, and eventually left. I'd say this plan is effective, but it's not fair to new users or legit users who die without setting a home. But for now, I'd say it works well.

I'll continue to monitor any known or potential troublemakers. Ayayayayayayaya

[DX7.EP]

Great mega-quote madness thanks to evening nap...would've posted earlier.

The MotK user going by the name of KoishiKomeiji in Minecraft (EDIT: Eternitysky) told me to mention here that the griefers might've been griefing again. I sort of spammed the chat so fast that I failed to notice who they were (as they left the server), but they've been killing each other a lot and mentioned something about their house being ruined.

TaylorGX and some other two guys with digits in their nicknames... Sorry for failing to write them down. :/

iFail_v_B34STLY, Your_Account, and two others. To make matters worse they seem to know each other IRL. You are right they are loving to kill each other and their house is a mob magnet (doesn't help that they have a skele spawner in basement), and while I could send them to Sphere going by chat iFail and adrian aren't on the best of terms (calling each other traitors).

I still maintain my position that we should be able to /ban. By now, these idiots have realized that we cannot ban them. Hell, charcaid was practically baiting us to do it yesterday.

Agreed, along with all the stuff (/setwarp, region protections bypassing, powers in all dimensions and not just world, ability to set and remove dimension portals, others mentioned earlier)

It's very funny that charcaid begged to be banned for his actions, but joined in today anyway. Isn't self-punishment an option? :wat:

Oh yeah, the duo of potential troublemakers showed up as I was preparing to leave the server after 12 hours of non-stop Minecraft no-lifing. SRG1131 and founded1992. They were the sole online people on the server after I left. Apparently friends of those chaps. They, along with TaylorGx, stayed longer than the other weird guys sent to the Sphere Realm (although Taylor stayed the longest). They started dying a lot to each other and other hazards after EP had left. Also Founded mentioned their house being destroyed and them leaving because of that before disconnecting. Taylor stayed after that and continued his regular routine of dying to random mobs.

Oh, those are their names.

I'll be starting a few sphere world trips again to have them "develop" the place...starting in the opposite direction. Hope they don't ruin the place (and going by what's happening in adrian's camp, they probably will but not as crazily).

Last but not least, may I ask where we are allowed to mention the names and details of the faraway locations and where we are not? I'm tired of not being able to call the places in game by their names in order to protect them from griefers, there's got to be a place where you can mention them freely.

MC chat, MotK PM. For now.

EDIT: someone handy with redstone and with too much time on their hands please place some detector rails in the brick express and wire them to note blocks and make it play Maiden's Capriccio during the journey. Pleeeeeeease? Come on, that'd be totally awesome. And an added challenge to try to get all the notes spot-on. Keep in mind that the note blocks only support 2 full octaves, I'm not sure if that's enough.

I have to build the brick express you know :V (the other end, to the destination, isn't even finished yet)

EDIT 2:
Hey, gotta grant them that, if Touhou had a ~300ms delay and stuttery, erratic movement of bullets, even easy modo would be hard.

And that's why Jamestown has no online multiplayer - connection issues + STGs = Brilliantly terrible.

Complete agreement. But about the whitelist thing, my preferred, alternate method of handling such a thing has always been to ask for the server owner to adjust permissions so that default ranked players can't destroy/modify anything, and after a brief period of time spent getting to know the members of the server, if none of them have any objections, the new users are quickly bumped up to a rank with permissions to do normal things like building, using /sethome, etc.

It's like a whitelist, but with the added benefits of the users being able to take a tour of the server and being able to get to know some of its members, too, while the positive effects for the members = a greater chance of letting in good, honest people who may previously have been held back by the whitelist, plus the possibility of talking to potential griefers and stopping them before they ever have a chance to do anything bad to the server/its members.

Ah! That may be an idea!

Cadrin - Unfortunately, due to all sorts of different, little factors, mostly having to do with the time it takes for clients/servers to send/receive information to/from one another, it's just about impossible to get a series of note blocks to play the exact same thing in the exact same way two times in a row on multiplayer servers. Speaking from (annoyed) experience. But, hey, who knows, that could've been fixed by now. But, knowing how much time and effort Notch loves to dedicate to fixing things, I don't think so.

And the rail ride is quite stuttery, so the notes won't work properly.
And yes, Notch-ism (whose rule #1 is "say you fixed bugs but don't really fix them") is at it again!

I have been watching TaylorGx, SRG1131, and founded1992 from afar.  All three have fallen into the bedrock/sphere trap, and eventually left. I'd say this plan is effective, but it's not fair to new users or legit users who die without setting a home. But for now, I'd say it works well.

I'll continue to monitor any known or potential troublemakers. Ayayayayayayaya

AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA ~
Well done Strafe! (I'm assuming iFail and Your_Account will be here too?)

About the home-setting bit, I explicitly told adrian and co. to /sethome there to keep too many problems from arising.
Also tell them to bring all their essential supplies, and if they need more I guess you can pitch in as well. But after getting them on their feet in Sphere leave them be to "develop". I don't want to give them the (actual) idea of anti-griefer measures....

[EternitySky]

oh yes, today there was a new player than came... dunno how he/she goe iron but i imagine that he/she was spawned inside the bedrock trap so he/she left shortly after...

[Bio]

And yes, Notch-ism (whose rule #1 is "say you fixed bugs but don't really fix them") is at it again!

1.6 - Fixed Herobrine
1.7 - FIxed Herobrine
- removed bugs that were now commonly accepted as gameplay mechanics (water ladders, friendly night spawns)
- bed in nether, that was a pretty good fix actually, beds are a lot more cost effective than TNT.

Yep, I think that's quality bug removal.

[DX7.EP]

oh yes, today there was a new player than came... dunno how he/she goe iron but i imagine that he/she was spawned inside the bedrock trap so he/she left shortly after...

:derp:
I'll check with /spawn and see if I can set a new one.
EDIT: I can't. Default spawn is INSIDE the bedrock, which can work as a spawn jail in a way but....

[Dr.Strafe]

The 'exiled' people are able to hack in various items and blocks. They have a stack of 64 diamond swords, Lava blocks, and lots of Obsidian & Glowstone.

Am I the only one that is bothered by this?

[DX7.EP]

The 'exiled' people are able to hack in various items and blocks. They have a stack of 64 diamond swords, Lava blocks, and lots of Obsidian & Glowstone.

Am I the only one that is bothered by this?

They use the main world for that, actually. In Sphere everyone has default status, so they cannot do this (or most other commands) there.
I'm also perplexed at all the newcomers that are going in to build in Sphere because those guys started referring. DanTheKillingMan is the newest of the lot.

IIRC they also don't have WorldEdit privileges.

[Dr.Strafe]

They use the main world for that...

... is EXACTLY why I'm concerned. Fortunately, the bedrock barrier keeps them at bay.

Also, it seems like this idea is popular with them. They're bringing in all their friends.

[EternitySky]

next thing u know, they got like 50 griefers all in there taking up all the server's slots for players >_>

[DX7.EP]

next thing u know, they got like 50 griefers all in there taking up all the server's slots for players >_>

After 1 or 2 more, I will tell them to stop inviting their friends over.
I also have a feeling they will grief one another, and though they will start asking me "DO SMTHNG ABT DIS PLZ" I simply respond with "Nope, no jurisdiction over there. Discuss it yourself".
On the other hand...that will also be orin.gif and orinpopcorn.gif time for me

[EternitySky]

link to orin.gif and orinpopcorn.gif please i still have no idea about those lol

[DX7.EP]

I don't know former but here is latter.

[Eraiya]

Strafe - Top quality job!

They're still inviting more people who seem like griefers? It REALLY seems like it's time for a new IP, if possible...

About some of the players having stacks of diamond swords and such, does anyone have any idea how they're doing it? I've tried googling a solution for this in the past, but to no avail. If all else fails, when the time comes, we can just tell them, "We won't ban you if you just tell us the name of the program you're using to spawn items in any SMP server you want, and where we can find that program." Of course, by admitting to using it, then proving that they're not just making it up after telling us the name of the program and where to find it, I'd say that's grounds for a ban anyway.

Like the old, "Look, this server software tells me that you destroyed all these blocks, so I KNOW you griefed; just quit denying it. If you quit lying about it and tell me the truth, I'll unban you." "lol kk fine ya i did it greefd now unban me" "Are you sure? I mean, this whole time, you've been telling me "IT WSNT ME I NO GREEF!!!!!11" so are you sure you really DID grief?" "yes u idiot lol now fkin unban me alredy" "Thanks, that's all I needed to know! /kick [name]" :derp:

[DX7.EP]

About some of the players having stacks of diamond swords and such, does anyone have any idea how they're doing it? I've tried googling a solution for this in the past, but to no avail. If all else fails, when the time comes, we can just tell them, "We won't ban you if you just tell us the name of the program you're using to spawn items in any SMP server you want, and where we can find that program." Of course, by admitting to using it, then proving that they're not just making it up after telling us the name of the program and where to find it, I'd say that's grounds for a ban anyway.

From what I understand builders are able to spawn items in (looks at SoD, who had said rank). But if it's an external program there is more banning reason.

I will admit giving some diamond stuff to them as well, but I don't want them to suspect they will get banned in very short order. I'm giving them the impression of "welcome back, do this for us - here, we'll give you things to start base", which their immature minds have fallen for easily. But really, it's to keep them away from our stuff and to try and give them a heart attack when they suddenly realize they got banned.

It'll be a good day when that happens - at least 8 childlike players (hell, they prolly are children) will get the banhammer!

Like the old, "Look, this server software tells me that you destroyed all these blocks, so I KNOW you griefed; just quit denying it. If you quit lying about it and tell me the truth, I'll unban you." "lol kk fine ya i did it greefd now unban me" "Are you sure? I mean, this whole time, you've been telling me "IT WSNT ME I NO GREEF!!!!!11" so are you sure you really DID grief?" "yes u idiot lol now fkin unban me alredy" "Thanks, that's all I needed to know! /kick [name]" :derp:

...Yeah, and that worked. </sarcasm>

[HakureiSM]

Yo guyz, I'm retarded, so can I get a list of the available / commands, both for the regular member group and the MotK group for when I am (finally) set to it? :derp:

[DX7.EP]

Yo guyz, I'm retarded, so can I get a list of the available / commands, both for the regular member group and the MotK group for when I am (finally) set to it? :derp:

...OK, here is a not-all-inclusive list of commands:

All:
/lwc (item protection - comes with several commands)
/sethome (sets home location for /home)
/home (instant TP back home)
/spawn (TPs to spawn - which is covered in bedrock)
/back (warps to death point - may cause another death via Gap every now and then)

MotK and above:
/warp (only one warp destination, communityhouse, exists ATM)
/bb done (allows to see block changes via BigBrother for reporting - gives a stick)
/bb log (allows to see block changes via BigBrother for reporting - gives a log)

Others can feel free to add on to it.