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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #690 on: December 05, 2011, 07:35:49 AM »
Hmmm... My Animal spawner must suck then :V
Also I have 3 different mob spawners atm. One of them make fuckloads of creepers and zombies and skeletons.
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Actually, that would be funny. Because of the resizing ratio for spawners, mobs that aren't made for them tend to stretch too far, which is actually the same algorithm used for the others, it just isn't a problem for the others. Endermen would probably easily exceed the spawner block. :getdown: (least, that's the way it worked some time before, pretty sure he didn't change that)
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #691 on: December 05, 2011, 07:41:14 AM »
Hmmm... My Animal spawner must suck then :V
Also I have 3 different mob spawners atm. One of them make fuckloads of Creepers, Zombies and Skeletons.
I REALLY WANT SOME ENDERMEN. I NEED SOME ENDER PEARLS FOR THESE BLAZE RODS.
Huh dunno what to tell you about the animal spawner then.  Just go to the end and then you'll find...oh wait  :V Yeah the enderman are a bit more rare than most mobs.  I'd suggest just going on a massive expedition to find them rather than try to spawn them.  But how are you making these mob spawners anyway?   
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #692 on: December 05, 2011, 07:43:08 AM »
The one that spawns a lot is about the size of one chunk. The reason I chose a specific chunk is because Slimes may spawn there. That's why I dug down deep into the ground.

EDIT: I'm making these mob spawners underground basically. Some of them are only a few blocks high, some are more. ALso the animal spawner has lots of Chickens in it, but that's because I've been throwing eggs everywhere :V

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #693 on: December 05, 2011, 07:45:56 AM »
Ah yeah slimes spawn at some silly y level like 40 and below or something.  As for the animal spawner, maybe put down more grass? :V
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #694 on: December 05, 2011, 07:53:17 AM »
My animal spawner has plenty of grass. The only blocks that aren't grass are some sand blocks near the entrance.

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #695 on: December 05, 2011, 08:01:32 AM »
Well then I have no idea  :derp:
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #696 on: December 05, 2011, 08:37:18 AM »
I'm in my mob spawner and I hear a Zombie and a Slime. But I can't find them.

Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #697 on: December 05, 2011, 09:16:06 AM »
So yeah. If you are very much into enchanting, like me, but got bored of having to wait till sundown to hunt monsters each night for those precious precious EXP orbs, because you can get ten levels per night at most or something like that, ways have been found to automate and trivialize the process of leveling up to the point where you can actually farm experience.
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I'm pretty sure on smp spawners cant spawn that many mobs.  IIRC strafe said it was around 15 or something.
According to what I read, up to 20 passive mobs (animals)can be active within a certain number of chunks. As for hostile mobs, the number goes up to roughly 200. Those numbers are for SSP, so I'm not sure how things are with SMP. Spawners can keep spawning monsters as long as the spawning conditions are met. That video shows a very good way to exploit the system. I wasn't aware of mob proximity being an issue with the spawner.. :V
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Also it's about time we updated to 1.0  :derp: What time do you guys expect to have the new map up by? Also, teamspeak party on the day of the update.  :V
My work is pretty much done, as far as the pre-update stuff goes. I've given Stuffman the green light to work his magic whenever he sees fit. From the look of it, it will probably be Wednesday. Who knows? For the time being, the server will be down. (not like anyone has joined it in a while anyway...)

Teamspeak party? I'll pass. Just wait until we properly inform everyone via the new thread, please. Patience, m'boy. Patience.

What exactly do Animals need to spawn? I know they need Grass, but do they need sunlight or just a certain light level? Also does there have to be a certain amount of space?
I'm not spawning a particular animal type btw.
Passive mobs need grass and light to spawn. Just make sure that there is plenty of light near the spawner, and the grass is fairly close to it. The grass must be within 4 blocks of the spawner. Also, some spawners are finicky and must not be obstructed by anything, as they will try to spawn mobs around the spawner instead of you designated area. You can cheat this by having the spawner inside the ground, with the topside visible, then surround it with grass. Tall grass does not apply, these must be grass blocks. As for light, having a single torch next to the spawner should suffice.  The only other thing that I can think of that might be causing a problem is your proximity to the spawner. For a spawner (of any kind) to activate, the player must be within a radius of 16 blocks of the spawner. The model inside the spawner will spin, indicating that the spawner is active. The icon spins faster as it gets closer to the time of the actual spawning. The delay between spawns is anywhere between 5-120 seconds.

EDIT- And the server is down for maintenance/update. See you Next World~
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #698 on: December 05, 2011, 09:45:40 AM »
But I don't have an Animal spawner. Just a place for them to spawn.

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #699 on: December 05, 2011, 09:54:20 AM »
When you guys are saying spawners your talking about the mob spawner blocks right? Or is there another way to spawn mobs in a specified area?

Edit: Oh, nevermind. Guess you two were talking about two different things.

Also, can't wait for the new server. Hopedully it'll be something besides Chasms, swamps, plains and ocean I've been getting with all my worlds although the Chasm is useful for getting iron, gold and diamond early....
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #700 on: December 05, 2011, 10:10:06 AM »
Strafe means the spawner block, J.O.B. means an area preparated to meet the conditions necessary for mobs to naturally spawn.

Also wooo server update get hype get hype get hype

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #701 on: December 05, 2011, 10:18:55 AM »
I now have 4 pet wolves :D

EDIT: I probably don't need so much Sugar cane but oh well :V
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #702 on: December 05, 2011, 02:01:20 PM »
You guys wrote so damn much and it's so hard to quote older messages, hnnng... Guess I'll have to make the quote tags myself, then.

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Good bye Sand duper lag. Hello xp farmer lag.
Nah, I don't think so. I mean, how many mobs can the spawner spawn? Even if it really can override the cap of hostile mobs simultaneously present in the world, you must still maintain your hunger meter every once in a while (at least if you are playing on masochist- I mean, hardcore mode for some reason, like me, where 1) death means world deletion and 2) the difficulty is locked on hard, so death from starvation is possible), or kill the mobs periodically lest someone barges in and snatches your preciousssss experience (if playing in SMP, although our server is an obvious exception because of us trying to be nice to each other and whatnot).

And really, the sand duper was not that laggy. Except for that one time when someone, Chen it was, I believe, came up with an idea to massively increase duper's capabilities by multiplying the number of pistons and making the contraption more compact. Sure it was an feat of engineering, but the humble Sand Duper Mk. I that I brought to the server way back could hardly lag it to death in a matter of seconds. Once, Night4ce went AFK at the Koishiville duper for a couple minutes and nothing bad happened. The lag ramp-up would have been way too slow to notice at first anyway.

Seriously, Chen's duper produced like, a stack of sand per second? That gives you an idea of how many dropped items have to be present on the server at any given time for it to give. I think it's about two thousand objects... Now, I don't know about entities like hostile mobs, but... Unless you go AFK for a really long time and spawn something like 500 skellies, and... uh, and since the monster spawner can only spawn so many as 4 mobs in one cycle...  :ohdear:

Nevermind...

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What exactly do Animals need to spawn? I know they need Grass, but do they need sunlight or just a certain light level? Also does there have to be a certain amount of space?
I'm not spawning a particular animal type btw.
For whatever reason, passive mobs seem to spawn much, much less frequently than they did in previous versions of Minecraft. And they persist for a long time where they spawned. You might want to start up a ranch.

Which is an awesome thing, y'all, if you ask me. Just try breeding. Baby cows and their high-pitched moos are cute. It's time and space-consuming, but worth it.

Oh, and slowly walking past multiple herds of passive mobs while waving a handful of wheat around will soon earn you a large group of followers. I find it cute, too, because the mobs technically give you aggro and behave just like hostile mobs when they acquire you (particularly like zombies) and just keep charging right at you (except that they cannot, or will not, attack, of course) until you get out of their aggro range or switch your held item.

That's all pretty nice and dandy, but I am worrying about new animals not spawning. I made my new residence at the border between a desolate swamp and a snowless taiga/pine forest. I only have wolves in my immediate vicinity, and large packs of them at that, too. They are hunting all the sheeps on sight... Which does not bother me much, because I've already created a bed, but... in fact, mass farming wool is probably a pain in 1.0.0. Food sources can be diversified, while these of wool cannot. Unless you really want to AFK farm spider spawners as well. I'm not even sure if they still drop strings, though.

EDIT: I probably don't need so much Sugar cane but oh well :V
Lol, that's exactly what I did after finding some sugar canes. Gotta set up that sugar cane farm for bookshelves, yo!

This whole enchanting business is such a bore. I made an experience farm like the one seen in the video, but it took me about 10 minutes to get from level 10 to 20. I cannot be bothered to put any more bookshelves than is needed for lvl 20 enchantments, and neither am I willing to AFK farm while I'm away, because of... well... wasting electricity...

Oh, and making the big lvl 20 enchantment was quite a disappointment too. My freshly repaired Diamond Pickaxe got Unbreaking II - and only that. Really...

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #703 on: December 05, 2011, 02:11:05 PM »
Also wooo server update get hype get hype get hype

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There goes my break from Minecraft :V
But even if we're using a dev version of Bukkit for the time being, it's better than having to wait for who-knows-how-much-longer for the stable version.

And really, the sand duper was not that laggy. Except for that one time when someone, Chen it was, I believe, came up with an idea to massively increase duper's capabilities by multiplying the number of pistons and making the contraption more compact....
Yours wasn't that laggy as it was only 1 block at a time. Then we saw the 3x2 design (Chen) and later 5x2 (PX) that were the bane of the server. Those caused quite a bit of lag.
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #704 on: December 05, 2011, 02:13:18 PM »
The sand duper only really cause me any lag when standing right next to it.

My guess is that it caused a bit more lag to other folks in different areas.
Which is why it was such a often talked about occurrence. 

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #705 on: December 05, 2011, 02:24:41 PM »
Also wooo server update get hype get hype get hype

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Wait, they updated? I checked the server thread and didn't see anything.

Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #706 on: December 05, 2011, 02:42:30 PM »
Wait, they updated? I checked the server thread and didn't see anything.
We will be updating in the next few days. The server will be down until then.

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #707 on: December 05, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »
Also, teamspeak party on the day of the update.  :V
Yeah...no. No micspamming will be involved this time - I'll likely just be chatting.

We will be updating in the next few days. The server will be down until then.
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EDIT: I probably don't need so much Sugar cane but oh well :V
Useful nonetheless, but I recommend making a piston-automated farm for this.
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #708 on: December 05, 2011, 03:08:20 PM »
From the look of it, it will probably be Wednesday. Who knows? For the time being, the server will be down. (not like anyone has joined it in a while anyway...)
Teamspeak party? I'll pass. Just wait until we properly inform everyone via the new thread, please. Patience, m'boy. Patience.
Wat no I meant when you inform us about the new world we should all go on teamspeak.  Don't lecture me on patience mister imtiredofwaitingonofficialbukkit1.0release :V

Yeah...no. No micspamming will be involved this time - I'll likely just be chatting.
God people you interpret the way I mean party way to literally >.> It was ONLY supposed to be chatting in the first place.  We all know how micspamming worked out last time.   
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #709 on: December 05, 2011, 03:23:11 PM »
Don't lecture me on patience mister imtiredofwaitingonofficialbukkit1.0release :V
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #710 on: December 05, 2011, 03:25:20 PM »
We all know how micspamming worked out last time.
De-synchronized Karaoke. OH JOY!
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Don't forget the DJ battles Chen and I had, combined with so many TUTURUs and HAHAHAHAHAs (and later some nope.avis) that it drove my head insane...not to mention creeper killing with the very unfitting Alice->Dere (or as Strafe describes it, 'nyan nyan crap') in the background. Fortunately, our channel is spared the wrath of Border of Dormio. So far. :ohdear:

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #711 on: December 05, 2011, 03:34:08 PM »
I don't know.. I thought Chen's laughing and TUTURU spam was pretty funny. Or at least hearing EP flip out at every instance of it was funny. What can I say? Your suffering amuses me. >:D And yes, mob hunting while listening to "nyan nyan crap" is very WTF-worthy.

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #712 on: December 05, 2011, 07:09:18 PM »
Chen still exists, huh

That's somewhat disappointing
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #713 on: December 05, 2011, 07:17:49 PM »
Chen hasn't been on the forums or server in over a month, though.

As for the Chen sculpture, well, I don't think it will be re-imported back into the new world unless Chen makes a sudden re-appearance (unlikely).
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #714 on: December 05, 2011, 07:22:26 PM »
Not showing up on the forum happens to be what you can do when you're permabanned from the forum.
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #715 on: December 05, 2011, 08:13:43 PM »
And really, the sand duper was not that laggy. Except for that one time when someone, Chen it was, I believe, came up with an idea to massively increase duper's capabilities by multiplying the number of pistons and making the contraption more compact. Sure it was an feat of engineering, but the humble Sand Duper Mk. I that I brought to the server way back could hardly lag it to death in a matter of seconds. Once, Night4ce went AFK at the Koishiville duper for a couple minutes and nothing bad happened. The lag ramp-up would have been way too slow to notice at first anyway.
Like the time in the PTM world, where the sand duper (in my backyard :V) was left running. The amount of lag there was TREMENDOUS to the point that breaking one redstone wire to cut off the power was actually near impossible because of the lag. You could punch it off, and it would just simply reappear. Someone else had to come over and then, magically, we were able to break it to turn the darn thing off. And seriously, I think I was running at about 0 fps at that time as well.

I don't know.. I thought Chen's laughing and TUTURU spam was pretty funny. Or at least hearing EP flip out at every instance of it was funny. What can I say? Your suffering amuses me. >:D And yes, mob hunting while listening to "nyan nyan crap" is very WTF-worthy.
I've always thought that it was funny too, hearing him go berserk over TUTURU. :getdown:
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #716 on: December 05, 2011, 08:32:05 PM »
Just popping in to say that jack-o'-lanterns are completely OP. So much light for so little effort!

Also, props to Jebs for this comment about the modding API.

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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #717 on: December 05, 2011, 08:42:21 PM »
I don't know.. I thought Chen's laughing and TUTURU spam was pretty funny. Or at least hearing EP flip out at every instance of it was funny. What can I say? Your suffering amuses me. >:D
I've always thought that it was funny too, hearing him go berserk over TUTURU. :getdown:
You bastards. :V

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Like the time in the PTM world, where the sand duper (in my backyard :V) was left running. The amount of lag there was TREMENDOUS to the point that breaking one redstone wire to cut off the power was actually near impossible because of the lag. You could punch it off, and it would just simply reappear. Someone else had to come over and then, magically, we were able to break it to turn the darn thing off. And seriously, I think I was running at about 0 fps at that time as well.
Typically that person to deactivate it would be one of us with good gaming rigs, such as myself, as we could still manage single-digit framerates with all that lag. And afterwards the major lag source - the output blocks - had to be dealt with in some form or fashion (typically several stockpiling trips or throwing all the blocks off the side in the case of PTM world).
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #718 on: December 05, 2011, 11:37:25 PM »
Looks like Optifine has updated all of their versions to B2, except the Antialiasing and Anisotropic Filtering one, which is still on 1.8.1. They must've done this just a little bit ago, since they were still at A before I left for classes.
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Re: Minecraft - The block building thread
« Reply #719 on: December 06, 2011, 06:11:53 AM »
FUCK YES I GOT AN ENDER PEARL!!
Funny thing is I killed this Enderman during the day :V