Author Topic: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread II (Read 236914 times)

Ace-Royale · « **Reply #630 on:** September 12, 2011, 10:23:58 PM »

"Flandre' - Taboo "Lavatein" slows an additional 2%, and stacks once more." is ridiculously broken. 70% aspd/mspd slow (practically a permaslow, about as troll as Letty's ult) is DEFINITELY not something Flandre should have, especially since this item is only 4350 - about 950 gold cheaper than Frozen Frog, and gives better stats.

I would suggest either -
*clones last 2-3 seconds longer
*clones have extra 5% atk
or if you want to keep the bonus for laevateinn -
*Laevateinn gives additional 5/10/15/20 chaos damage per strike.

on the other hand,Kaguya-"Help Me Eirin!" requires 4/3/2/1 second(s) channeling time. seems really weak. 2 seconds is usually enough to rescue someone, assuming they aren't made of paper with only 1k hp. I would suggest an extra 20/30 damage per danmaku pillar (140/210 in total), passive change to 17% + 150 MP, or reducing cooldown of her ward by 15 or so seconds.

Dular · « **Reply #631 on:** September 13, 2011, 12:44:36 AM »

Okey dokey, I lowered the price by 200 gold, Rikter Orin's buff means damage, I'm sorry you were confused that it was attack speed, even though there wasn't any mention of attack speed.
Changed Flandre's buff to "Clones get 3/6/9/12 bonus chaos damage from leveling Laevateinn"
Changed Kaguya's to Imperishable Night "Rising World" needs 16%+150 mana to revive.
Eiki changed from 5-current guilt to 8-current guilt
Rumia's effect increased to 8%.

Not sure what to do about Yamame though. I definitely do not want to buff spiders further.

Amraphenson · « **Reply #632 on:** September 13, 2011, 03:15:03 AM »

When in doubt about Yamame, call Amra. :V
1) Increase chance of Miasma
2) Let it rebounce to already afflicted
3) Increase number of bounces.

Or do something about ult. Like, adds damage equal to Yamame's with each use. Basically a free attack with each cast.
Or do something with Net. Increase AoE, make it so that netted units also randomly net one unit adjacent (increased duration of disable if one person gets netted multiple times due to RNG)
Or make the innate's damage come out faster.

Hina's is a little weak, since they bork so often. Give them a small amount of damage reduction as well, maybe? 15 or so. Or improve the percentages on link or spin.
Satori's is also a little meh.
Aya's is kinda useless.
Hatate's is ridiculous.

Dular · « **Reply #633 on:** September 13, 2011, 03:55:13 AM »

Okay Yamame will now.. Um... Her innate does 10% damage as disease but now only lasts 6 seconds... No.. Um... Lasts 15 seconds and is.. 6.5%. That sounds about right.

Satori's is about right I think. Extra 140 damage, another .2 second stun, and it's a lot more powerful in teamfights when everyone is spamming. It's probably about fine.

Aya is tough, but I'll change it to "Illusionary Dominance stuns for one second whenever you hit someone."

Hatate is also fine. She remains as weak as ever to disables. :V

Rikter · « **Reply #634 on:** September 13, 2011, 12:22:17 PM »

I could have sworn I saw attack speed there.

And giving Aya a disable is just no. While they already have one it is at least not very good.

Amraphenson · « **Reply #635 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:11:28 AM »

Tornado speed rape is enough for Aya's purposes. Really, all domination stun serves to do is be redundant. Unless she perfectly hits someone in the midst of dash, she takes a second to get to them anyway. So it's either dash next to someone and rape, dash past someone, walk to them, then rape, or somehow perfectly land a dash slightly past someone and rape more than usual. What you gonna do?

Pesco · « **Reply #636 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:44:45 PM »

Call the Ghostbusters

Amraphenson · « **Reply #637 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:31:13 AM »

Also, if it lasts 15 seconds, be specific about the interval. Normal poison lasts for 12s, does 5% per tick, and ticks every 2s.

Dular · « **Reply #638 on:** September 15, 2011, 05:37:41 AM »

I imagine it'll tick every 1.5 seconds, so instead of 6 tics it'll do 10 tics as well.

And Aya will now have a uh... Agi multiplier becomes .9/1.1/1.3/1.5 for Wind God Fan.

I'd like to submit this idea by Saturday as well, so please complain about what you don't like now :V

Helepolis · « **Reply #639 on:** September 15, 2011, 05:44:01 AM »

Quote from: Dular on September 15, 2011, 05:37:41 AM

And Aya will now have a uh... Agi multiplier becomes .9/1.1/1.3/1.5 for Wind God Fan.

Are you making an HJdots motk version?

Dular · « **Reply #640 on:** September 15, 2011, 06:21:55 AM »

Well bear with me, at the point where she gets a smoking dude(or more likely a camera) and this item, it does only about an extra 55 or so extra damage. Or would it better if I made it increased by .2 instead of .3?

Then the bonus damage would only be like, 30 or so. Magic damage mind you, so reduced by innate hero defense and zun glasses.

Helepolis · « **Reply #641 on:** September 15, 2011, 06:58:39 AM »

No my question was more like general: Are you making a HJdots here or ? ? ?

Because looking at the list on previous page, there is so much wrong with it that it makes me think it is an imba/omgdots version or something.

tbax704 · « **Reply #642 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:30:18 AM »

It would be awesome if the devs made an imba dots (like imba dota) with -apss mode :V

Teetoku · « **Reply #643 on:** September 17, 2011, 06:49:18 AM »

^Would be awesome.
Then again there was already an Imba DotS.. no random skill or bonus skill mode though and outdated.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #644 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:27:53 PM »

yeah thats really sad me wants HJ Lunasa and Kisume!

tbax704 · « **Reply #645 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:48:50 AM »

Or make an OMG DotS

Everyone pick Aya's ult :V

But lol, there're lots of jerky combinations. like Flan ult with Momiji stun

CloverNaght · « **Reply #646 on:** September 18, 2011, 05:35:52 AM »

Quote from: tbax704 on September 18, 2011, 04:48:50 AM

But lol, there're lots of jerky combinations. like Flan ult with reisen range increase

fixed

Amraphenson · « **Reply #647 on:** September 18, 2011, 05:48:42 AM »

Yamame with Minoricow cart instead of chain poison. :V

Teetoku · « **Reply #648 on:** September 19, 2011, 08:43:04 AM »

Cirno with brain of the moon.

Dorakyura · « **Reply #649 on:** September 19, 2011, 10:24:03 AM »

Hina Ultimate + Okuu Ultimate

Flan Ultimate + Flan Clones + Aya Ultimate (blink criting)

Kaguya with Mokou Egg (since egg recovers full HP and MP)

Kaguya with Merlins Ultimate (omg)

Yuuka with Masterspark :flowerpower:

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #650 on:** September 19, 2011, 10:51:53 AM »

Actually egg doesnt recover mp but w/e

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #651 on:** September 19, 2011, 10:57:55 AM »

Put Ex-Rumia back and include Mima.

tbax704 · « **Reply #652 on:** September 19, 2011, 11:48:18 AM »

Lyrica Ult + Sanae Ult + Keine F + Suika Ult lol

Everyone pick Tenshi's and Suwako's Ult :V (all activate at the same time obv)

Flan with Gungnir

Captain Infinity · « **Reply #653 on:** September 19, 2011, 12:55:03 PM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on September 19, 2011, 10:57:55 AM

Put Ex-Rumia back and include Mima.

EX-Rumia hasn't been in the map for a while.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #654 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:09:01 PM »

She was just removed this version

Dorakyura · « **Reply #655 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:19:16 PM »

Quote from: Youkai Jesus on September 19, 2011, 10:57:55 AM

Put Ex-Rumia back and include Mima.

Ultimate:
Twilight Spark:
Global Range 99999
Hits every creep and every player (except Mima) on the map.
Does 99% of the Targets Max HP as pure damage. Immunity does not save you from the damage.
4 Seconds Channeling.
Mima gets gold for friendly kills.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #656 on:** September 20, 2011, 03:50:13 AM »

innate:intangible
gets zero collision permanently

Helepolis · « **Reply #657 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:45:21 PM »

Dotsdevs should stop wasting MBs for useless secret girls and just implement 10D girls already. And implement a 5v5 version already as well.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #658 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »

why stop at 5v5? make it a 6v6

Helepolis · « **Reply #659 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:09:18 PM »

Quote from: Dr Homurawr on September 20, 2011, 01:48:05 PM

why stop at 5v5? make it a 6v6

A 5v5 map can be played 6v6 style as well I guess? But seeing WC3 standard has 10 player slots at max? Or do they have more?