Miscellaneous Questions Thread 2 (Please look here before anywhere else)

[Pesco]

You can use Cheat Engine to track your time orbs score. Once you find it, freeze it at whatever range you're testing.

[Massaca]

Alrighty then, I'll look into that.

[Massaca]

So after a little while of fiddling around it seems as though it might have been a glitch. I tried a few times ranging from 2489-2495 then got fed up and I tried with it set to 2499 then perfected the stage but timing out Wriggle's spells and nothing. Tried with it at 2500 and the Last Spell activated.
That's annoying : /

Thanks for the direction though Pesco.

[Kaze_Senshi]

Hmmmm I'm thinking to play more the touhou 9, but if I keep playing it in my notebook the Z-key will become potato sauce. Soooo anyone know any program where I can set one key to work like a turbo key, so I could use the A button to shoot in stream and the Z button to charge. Also do you think that this idea is some kind of cheat at this game or it's ok to use.

[Hatateru]

Okay I've got some questions about powers;

1. Can Yuyuko kill something that can't be killed naturally? Her power is the "manipulation of death", so I assume if something HAS a concept of death she can kill it?
2. Kaguya's timehax is stated to extend to controlling parallel timelines does this mean she has a small degree of control over reality as well?
3. In Flandre's BAiJR article she outright contradicts her sister's ability to control fate but then Remilia shows up and starts explaining about how she artificially caused a "Leo Meteor Shower" to target the mansion. The article ends with Aya saying "...Oh, my. I wonder how much of that is true". Does that debunk Remilia's ability to control fate?

[Drake]

1. It is manipulation of death, and at first it was the manipulation of departed souls. PCB describes it as the same phenomenon that the Saigyou Ayakashi holds which "invites" people to their death, as more of a manipulation of their willingness to die, and then they die. When she was alive, Yuyuko killed herself in order to stop her power from growing and killing others. She's since forgotten her life, and living in Hakugyokurou (and more generally Gensokyo) has made her more whimsical about inducing death. As for who it could affect, I would imagine that anything that can be sent to Higan for judgment is Gensokyo's conditions for "death".

2. I don't remember hearing anything about parallel timelines with Kaguya. But if you consider that Kaguya essentially inserted Eientei into an instant in Gensokyo, stayed in that instant for a long time as history passed, and it only recently began "existing", then yes, I guess you could say she can manipulate aspects of reality from the perspective of other people.

3. Flandre isn't exactly a trustworthy source of information about her sister. Flandre says she can't manipulate fate, but everything in the article lined up with the meteor being planned and aimed, or just an extraordinary coincidence. If Flandre herself is under the authority of Remilia's powers, then of course she would want to say things like "pff Remilia doesn't have that kind of power, she's just full of it". The BAiJR article along with EoSD really does hint towards fate manipulation; usually people only start going "wait no she doesn't" when it's pointed out that she doesn't use it in an obvious way and that Flan says she doesn't have that power. Remilia, imo, either can manipulate fate or can just manipulate really good coincidences.

[Starxsword]

2. I don't remember hearing anything about parallel timelines with Kaguya. But if you consider that Kaguya essentially inserted Eientei into an instant in Gensokyo, stayed in that instant for a long time as history passed, and it only recently began "existing", then yes, I guess you could say she can manipulate aspects of reality from the perspective of other people.

Kaguya's ability to manipulate parallel time lines is mentioned in her Perfect Momento in Strict Sense article.

Akyuu: ...In using these times, it's said that she can have several parallel timelines.

3. In Flandre's BAiJR article she outright contradicts her sister's ability to control fate but then Remilia shows up and starts explaining about how she artificially caused a "Leo Meteor Shower" to target the mansion. The article ends with Aya saying "...Oh, my. I wonder how much of that is true". Does that debunk Remilia's ability to control fate?

Remilia's manipulation of fate does not really have solid evidence for or against, so believe whatever you want. I believe she does have something like it, since that article indicates that it was either a really good coincidence, as mentioned, or manipulation of fate. Same deal with how it briefly mentions how Remilia manipulated Sakuya's fate for the better or how when you go to the SDM, your fate was changed from dying to not dying, the article says something else, but that's just a brief summary. But none of these are real evidence, just hints on the possible effect of her fate manipulation.

[Drake]

Oh. "Parallel timelines" is a bit of a liberal translation (but not really incorrect); it refers to the possibility that there can be multiple conflicting histories that can be created by using the ability. As I said in my other post, this can be confirmed as she used her ability to keep Eientei hidden inside the timelessness of an instant until recently, when time in Eientei began to flow again and it just popped up. Eientei existing in Gensokyo before then conflicts with Gensokyo's known history, as previously it didn't really exist, even though we know it must have existed all those years.

I seriously doubt ZUN is going to ever show Remilia's ability in any more obvious way, and probably doesn't explicitly show it (i.e. what you'd call solid evidence) on purpose; this is why informed speculation and careful consideration is important. It's quite possible that both Remilia and Flandre are right, and that Remilia's fate manipulation exists but is unconscious. This would definitely support all the "coincidences" that we know happen, as well as Remilia's tendency to go "yep I definitely planned it all with my amazing powers I am so awesome". It's an option I consider, but choose not to accept as there isn't any reason whatsoever to believe it's unconscious, so it would just be an extra step further in blind speculation. The main point to answer the question is that Flandre can't necessarily be trusted just on her word for several reasons, and that Remilia's powers are at least evidenced by their supposed results.

[Hatateru]

I've always thought that Yuyuko's ability to control death is simply to cause any living thing to instantly die regardless of species or such except for beings like the Hourai immortals and gods, but as long as that thing is "alive" but with a definite concept of death she can kill it. Even for things that are supposedly immortal but still able to die (like magicians and shikaisen)?

Also I don't know if this is worth noting but In BAiJR, Flan said "Yeah, that's it. That person acts like she understands everything from the beginning. She talks about understanding fate or something". Does that subtly imply that Remilia can at least consciously use her ability?  And this might sound far-fetched, but I have a theory that the reason Flandre and Aya didn't believe in Remilia's power is because in PMiSS, the second footnote on Remilia's entry states that "there are no visual indications of when her ability is in effect". I take it that Flandre and Aya can't comprehend and perceive Remilia's power because they couldn't find a definitive proof even when her ability is in effect.

[Drake]

Yuyuko's ability has never been seen used, as far as I can recall. PCB's description of how the Saigyou Ayakashi's ability works, and hers as well, merely says it's an "invitation". By that I'd imagine that they become willing to die, and then they just possibly fall asleep and die. As for who it can effect, I stick to "things that can go to Higan to be judged". Gensokyo has a very lax and abstract notion of death, as being dead just means you move on to some other place and maybe become a different being. By that reasoning, Yuyuko invoking death can't really go beyond that. Shikaisen can be sent to Higan, hermits can be sent to Higan, youkai can be sent to Higan, etc. Ghosts and phantoms cannot be sent to Higan, Celestials cannot be sent to Higan, Shinigami cannot be sent to Higan, things already in Hell cannot be sent to Higan. And so on.

"Talking about understanding fate" could mean she does actually know how her ability works, or that she pretends to know how her ability works, or that she pretends she actually has the ability. It makes no difference. As for your theory, that's sort of the exact same reasoning we as readers can't assert she has the ability like we can say Alice manipulates dolls. You never see any direct evidence of Remilia's ability, so you're stuck with soft reasoning.

[Delfigamer]

As we saw in SA, ZUN reads physics books too.
In general theory of relativity, all universe is defined by strict equations. Direction of time doesn't matter; so, altering any point of space-time will affect both on past and future of this point. That means, if someone as Remilia would alter future (fate), present and past will be altered as well, though, inside this space-time those changes couldn't be noticed (human's memory would be altered too).
Opposed to that, quantum physics requires to mark special time's direction as "forward". It is needed to work with quantum structures, e. g. Schr?dinger's cat. As you may know, in "past" that cat is in two states at the same time (quantum superposition); while in "future" (assuming we are opening the box "now") it is either fully dead or fully alive. This transformation cannot be done reversly, so, time is asymmetric.
What is really interesting here, in "past" we cannot know in what state cat will be in "future", choice between them is made "now", at the moment when box is opened, and it is made randomly.
Though, if someone like Remilia can predefine that choice, we can speak about "fate". We can predefine or alter future.
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Speaking of death. I think, fairies are not just unusual youkai, they are embodiements of certain aspect of nature. And because of that, they cannot die in normal way; e. g. Star Saphire's death has no meaning as well as star light's death; they are not just strongly connected, they are the same entity, seen from in different ways.
So, that means that Cirno's birth has no meaning too.
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Just thoughts. Magicians use magic consciously, as with a tech, each spell is casted by doing certain chain of actions. Youkai use it subconsciously, they just do magic, without thinking of how to do it. And, as we know, subconsciuosness is much harder to control than yourself's actions - as what we see with youkai, Remilia too.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Would someone please sum up for me what Udongein did that got her so much bad karma, besides deserting the Lunar army?

[Drake]

nothing

that summed up well enough?

[AnonymousPondScum]

nothing

that summed up well enough?

 

So...The only objectionable thing she's done according to the rest of the cast is flee the army?

[Drake]

Pretty much. Even Reisen's past isn't really a big deal and is mostly brushed off by everyone, especially when you consider the "war" she ran away from didn't really happen as described. If your real point is that she's often picked on, there is no answer or explanation to that. She just happened to become "the character that gets picked on" by coincidence; there is no "karma".

[AnonymousPondScum]

Pretty much. Even Reisen's past isn't really a big deal and is mostly brushed off by everyone, especially when you consider the "war" she ran away from didn't really happen as described. If your real point is that she's often picked on, there is no answer or explanation to that. She just happened to become "the character that gets picked on" by coincidence; there is no "karma".

Oooooh, okay. Makes more sense now.

Thanks!

[fondue]

Pretty much. Even Reisen's past isn't really a big deal and is mostly brushed off by everyone, especially when you consider the "war" she ran away from didn't really happen as described. If your real point is that she's often picked on, there is no answer or explanation to that. She just happened to become "the character that gets picked on" by coincidence; there is no "karma".

Is that so? Then why does Eiki-sama threaten to send Resien to hell when she dies becuase she ran away from the war?

[AnonymousPondScum]

Is that so? Then why does Eiki-sama threaten to send Resien to hell when she dies becuase she ran away from the war?

Because Shieki is a strict, STRICT mofo.

[fondue]

Because Shieki is a strict, STRICT mofo.

But when I read her dialogue she's like strict and honest in a harsh-kind way.

[AnonymousPondScum]

But when I read her dialogue she's like strict and honest in a harsh-kind way.

I figure she's honest but irritatingly overbearing like Sam the Eagle from The Muppet Show. :V

Also, she tells Yuuka that she needs to scare humans more so her job is arguably as much of maintaining the status quo in Gensokyo as much as keeping people from dooming themselves to Hell, lest Gensokyo violently implode in on itself in an apopletic poof of rationality/normalcy. :getdown:

[fondue]

I figure she's honest but irritatingly overbearing like Sam the Eagle from The Muppet Show. :V

Also, she tells Yuuka that she needs to scare humans more so her job is arguably as much of maintaining the status quo in Gensokyo as much as keeping people from dooming themselves to Hell, lest Gensokyo violently implode in on itself in an apopletic poof of rationality/normalcy. :getdown:

Okay, that is just confusing :getdown:

[AnonymousPondScum]

Okay, that is just confusing :getdown:

WELCOME TO GENSOKYO. :getdown:

[Error]

The whole Eiki thing can go one of 3 ways.
She's being serious
She's just nitpicking
She's trolling


Since characters tend to be rather :smug: towards each other...

[cuc]

Reisen is not evil, but she never cared deeply about anyone else but herself, and never reached out to communicate and sympathize with others. She's always there, alone, complaining about how things aren't going according to her wish.

Her SWR profile spelt it out bluntly: 決して優しい性格ではない "her personality is definitely not very kind".

>Eiki to Yuuka

It's a virtue (ancient Greek: arete) thing. The virtue of a youkai is to fight and to be scary. Not your usual concept of morality.

[Massaca]

Who's Nanashi? (From the EoSD scores)
I searched here and checked the wiki but nothing.

[Sungho]

名無し (Nameless)

[Massaca]

... didn't even occur to me it might be a Japanese word rather than name. Thanks.

[Goldom]

After playing for two years, I feel I ought to know this, but what are these numbers in parentheses?
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[Chuckolator]

How many times you played the stage with that shot type, it appears to count spell practice attempts as well. It also appears in PCB.

[Goldom]

Ah, counting spell practice explains it. I knew they were # of attempts in PCB, but couldn't explain how they'd be in the hundreds (and be non-0 on stages with no high score at all).