Moriya Shrine Mafia II (Day 5)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

His vote against Schezo D1 doesn't carry much weight at all, since it was the only vote against Schezo at the time

...What? You're thinking of Affinity. PX was the second on the wagon I believe, which looks a bit better to me actually.

Working on a post.

[Vibri]

aaaaahahahahaha christ I'm retarded apparently, well done me

I'm at work right now so I don't have time for a thread reread but I can at least respond to dudes so the game doesn't get held up.  obviously I need to rethink my approach but that'll have to happen later tonight.

I pretty much mentally wrote off Schezo because I was very confident about reV and Hourai being scum, and both of them were voting him.  That was obviously a mistake, but there you go.  I voted for the dude I thought was scum.  If the things that I said about Hourai D2 were incorrect, nobody brought it up :X

Of those in the Hourai group, VgT is very suspicious due to what Roukan said, with a few amendments. His D1 play was a call on Bob's OMGUS vote, and a few opinions. D2 was just the full reV thing, him jumping on hourai every chance he got, and defending Schezo every chance he could.

Rou's point was that I didn't mention Schezo at all, though?  I'm not sure where you see me defending Schezo.  Otherwise, yes, those are some things that I did.  Was there something you wanted to say about those things or is that just IIoA?  If anything Rou seemed to be defending Schezo an awful lot.

balls, I'm over on my lunch.  I'll be back!

[PX]

I said Rou defended Schezo based on a flimsy WIFOM reason (which is now invalid), so he's very discredited. But his vote came out first, so he's got a little more credit than you. And you just grabbed Hourai's points and threw them back at him, completely ignoring that they were slightly valid against Schezo.

[WHMZakeri]

VgameT : Roukanken
Roukanken : ReVelske, huh what, Doll.S,
Phoenix Wrong : Serpentarius

Roukan is already at L-2, for whom it matters.
This votecount will be made pretty sometime tomorrow morning.

[FinnKaenbyou]

PX in general seems far more on the ball than he was yesterday. Almost disturbingly so. The fact he more or less stole most of his content today from me doesn't help. Not to mention his apparently prophylactic knowledge that there's only one scum on the Hourai wagon and the other was a bus. PX, I still want to see you clarify how you're so sure of that, and even better - if you think there's a scum on the Schezo wagon, who and why?

My problem is that I can't decide what's scummier - defending a buddy, or doing your best to act as if he doesn't exist. In terms of useful thoughtful content I'd prefer VgT as Town, but obviously this isn't a popularity contest. I find it hard to believe a strong and experienced player could conveniently not mention a leading case at all, but at the same time PX's sudden burst of...is it even competence? It worries me.

I would not find a PX/VgT scumpair impossible to believe at this juncture. I'd certainly find it easier to believe than my other theories like 'Affinity decided to bus his partner at just about the most crucial moment possible'.

Would like to see a proper response from VgT before I consider changing my vote.

[PX]

I know for sure that I'm town, so I find it nearly impossible that all 3 scum would be in the exact same wagon. It just doesn't work that way unless it's a newbie scum squad, and that's pretty much impossible at this point.

In all honesty, I wanted both Hourai and Schezo dead, due to intuition telling me one of them had to be scum. Oh the irony.

Yes, having my vote parked on Hourai turned out bad, and my Schezo D1 case was horrible, but Affinity claims the first vote on Schezo.

As for the bussing thing, it could be wrong. I said before that there's a chance that either of the 2 nulltells to be scum, but there's no way to prove that without someone dying.

[reVelske]

Okay let's try sum some thoughts up.

The one thing that absolutely puzzles me is the amounts of derps Rouk has delivered through out the game: Pathetic attempt of an attack on Bob at the end of Day One + WIFOM clear on Schezo and Affinity and repeat emphasis on the WIFOM reasoning as if it's solid fact. Bard has pointed them out to him but Rouk seems to remain oblivious to it all. Is he usually this derp? He certainly doesn't give off that impression the previous game I've played him (where he was a disinterested scum), so I'm just curious, can anyone tell me if he derps like this in previous games he play?

Another thing that bothers me slightly (also something I count towards his derpiness) was how he tried to buddy-up to VgT on Day Two, TWICE, when airing opinions about the players. I can understand showing general agreement to another player, but... "I like VgT, keeps his stuff short and sweet, and I agree with a lot of it. I like this guy."? And then "VgT - Honestly? I like VgT. He's consise, and I agree with just about everything he says."? Why would you possibly want to do that? If anything, it draws negative attention, and wasn't it YOU who said "Except that Town would RATHER PAY ATTENTION TO SCUM THAN HAVE TIME WASTED ON THEMSELVES?" when Bob said that not all negative attentions are bad?

TBH, my vote on Rouk is mainly due to the derps, but now that I think about it, it hardly translates to scumminess except for the fact that I feel that his display of stupidity is a little forced and staged, for what purpose? I can't really decide. Soooo... yeah, if someone can shed some light on his usual playstyle, it'd be appreciated.

NOW, onto other things.

I believe we should rely more on Day One's voting distribution to determine who the scums are rather than Day Two, since the Day Two votes carry a lot of busing potentials, and I'm sure everyone can agree that at least one person on Bob's wagon is a scum (Roukanken vs huhwhat vs VgameT vs Affinity).

VgT... the Rouk without the derp, everything he's done has been pretty logical TBH, aggressive, constant pressure on his targets, logical. Only fault I see with him is that he's too single-minded with his targets and too content with ignoring everyone else, but I'm happy to write that off simply as his playstyle. It may not be all that smart to write off Schezo as a derp the way he did, but at least he never tried to excuse it with some ridiculous reasons. Still on the suspect list but I just don't see anything that can truly incriminate him more than anyone else.

Nothing really noteworthy about huhwhat, he's played the counter-Rouk the entire Day Two, issue with him is that he never seemed to be all too convinced about Schezo, he repeated a couple times that the possibility of Schezo being town is there, yet still expressed his willingness to vote for him, reasoning it to benefit the town more than Hourai-lynch and only end up jumping on the wagon towards the end of the Day... He has certainly left himself with room to go for Hourai (stating how Hourai was gradually looking worse despite how he cleared Hourai with a WIFOM earlier), soooo.... I dunno, I definitely see the possibility of him being the scum and going for the safer solution at the end of Day Two, but... I dunno.

Affinity: End of Day One wagon jump, enough said? Of course not. The guy has been reasonably neutral through out the game, everything he says seem perfectly logical, good analysis, good questions raised, everything seem perfectly pro-town, but he's just been so unaggressive (yeah yeah no such word), his comments of both Hourai and Schezo in Day Two always seem to involve a slap then a pat on the back. I'm just getting a really bad vibe about it all, maybe it's just because he's playing similarly to his previous game where he was a scum, his logical posts and his busing of his scumbuddy had him sail comfortably into victory.

And, with the others...

DollS once again chose not to place any vote in Day Two, as suspect as he is now, I'm happy to ignore his lack of participation, reason? He's far less of a threat to the town than the other potential scum (assuming there is another), and judging from the logical night kills, I'd like to think there's an experienced player in the scum team that's making these decision. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying DollS is too stupid to be making these night kills, it's just that personal, I expect him to be night killing based on some other criteria judging from his playstyle.

PX is meh, nothing much to be said about him, everything he did makes good enough sense but none of his actions really clear him as town though. Except for him being the second the jump on Schezo's wagon on Day One, but that could just be him not expecting the wagon to really build up enough to threaten that of Bob's.

I still need to reread on Bard, though I feel good about the way he has played in general, well, a little better than the rest at least.

So to conclude:

Everyone looks like fucking scums. Though I'm starting to feel worse about Affinity than Rouk.

Let's see what people has to say about my analysis, what have I missed, what am I wrong about, etc.

[WHMZakeri]

No change in voting
There are 44 Hours left in the day.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Nothing really noteworthy about huhwhat, he's played the counter-Rouk the entire Day Two, issue with him is that he never seemed to be all too convinced about Schezo, he repeated a couple times that the possibility of Schezo being town is there, yet still expressed his willingness to vote for him, reasoning it to benefit the town more than Hourai-lynch and only end up jumping on the wagon towards the end of the Day...

I wanted to focus on Rou D2 after I changed my mind about you since I thought I was onto something regarding him. This does not mean I did not find Schezo scummy (in fact, I'm pretty sure I even went after him a bit in my first post), I just wanted a Rou lynch more, hence why I switched to my second choice when it became obvious that wasn't going to happen.
If you're talking about D1, then I was hesistant to jump onto Schezo there due to his alignment hinging entirely on Bob's flip as well as the speed his wagon came up. (Plus, Bob looked worse to me.) After Bob flipped all of that was pretty much null, as it showed that the Schezo had indeed jumped on a townie and also that the turning point that caused Schezo to become a fastly growing rival wagon was a vote from a townie (Bob).

Still not liking either Rou or VgT after a re-read. I would not be very surprised if they scum together, actually, what with Rou actively shilling VgT throughout D2. Being one of the later jumpers onto the Bob wagon does not do him favors either. VgT's #160 does not look very good after the recent flips, he lays out a decent case on the now-flipped Hourai which actually seems more convincing than the dirt he has on reV, yet he continues to cling to the reV wagon until Schezo (flipped scum) starts looking to be the most likely lynch, where he ties up the two wagons. I suppose this could be interpreted as VgT taking his vote off reV now that reV contributed, but if he intended to do that, he could have done so in #199 (since reV had started producing by then). Because of this, the timing of his switch onto the Hourai wagon looks a lot like an attempt to get a scumbuddy out of a jam, which isn't good. He also gave pretty much ignored Schezo aside from a line or so saying that he felt Schezo was genuinely trying to scumhunt. I suppose I should have asked this earlier, but now that Schezo has flipped, I'm especially curious, since VgT never gave examples when saying so. VgT, what about Schezo's supposed scumhunting felt genuine enough for you to give him a pass?

Meanwhile, as I stated in post #189, Rou looks horrible for attacking Bob all D1 over a weak case revolving around rolefishing without even taking any of the other points against Bob into consideration, as well as clearing Schezo over some WIFOM while attacking the people on Schezo's wagon rather than the people on the D1 wagon that had actually flipped town. Now that Schezo has flipped scum, this comes off as a blatant chainsaw on the players who attacked a scumbuddy, and as far as buddy-defending is convercned, the blatant attacks on Hourai and awkward-looking clears on Schezo seem more damning than VgT's two or so lines about Schezo looking like he's trying to play pro-town, or at least to me they do. Would give Rou the slight edge in scumminess because of this, and will keep my vote on him for now.

As for PX, I admit I haven't been paying too much attention to him this game, but I feel checking him out is at least worth it after Serp's post.

...Meh, he seems pretty iffy to me. While his vote on Schezo on D1 does feel rather townie (had it not been for him, it's possible the D1 Schezo wagon would have never kicked off past Affinity's vote), his change of heart on D2 just feels plain weird. Even though Bob flipped worse and Schezo should look scummier than before, he gave up on his Schezo case entire and instead hammered on the rival townie wagon. Going after an easy target (Doll) on the sides doesn't look very great either, and a lack of content so far today that isn't parroting others or "multiple scum on the same wagon"-related silliness does nothing to ease my suspicions. I wouldn't prioritize PX as high as Rou and VgT on the list of people I think are scum, but I'm wary of him.


tl;dr Both Rou and VgT are good lynch candidates in my opinion, but Rou still has the slight edge due to how horrible his interactions with the Schezo wagon looked. Wouldn't want to see VgT live past tomorrow though, bar something amazing happening.

While Affinity's jump onto Bob does look pretty bad on paper, I don't consider it as scummy as it seems at first. Bob already looked like he was guaranteed to be the day's lynch, scum!Affinity would have had nothing to gain but suspicion by jumping from a scum wagon to a townie wagon when it already seemed that the townie was going to be lynched, and probably would have been more cautious. May need to look into this more later, though, in case I totally missed something.

[reVelske]

If you're talking about D1, then I was hesistant to jump onto Schezo there due to his alignment hinging entirely on Bob's flip as well as the speed his wagon came up. (Plus, Bob looked worse to me.) After Bob flipped all of that was pretty much null, as it showed that the Schezo had indeed jumped on a townie and also that the turning point that caused Schezo to become a fastly growing rival wagon was a vote from a townie (Bob).

I meant the D2 hesitation with your Schezo vote.

I suppose this could be interpreted as VgT taking his vote off reV now that reV contributed, but if he intended to do that, he could have done so in #199 (since reV had started producing by then).

Regarding VgT, it looked to me like he was simply letting emotion dictate his judgment, which people tend to do when you have someone with my playstyle floating around (I would know, wouldn't I? ), and his general aggression does make him appear like someone who's impulsive enough to be that silly (i.e. stupid). Though, same with Roukan, can someone confirm his past playstyle? Does he usually play with such aggression and show such single-mindedness?

[Bardiche]

So Rou, is that honestly your entire case on VgameT? Of all the things there are to say, your entirely case honestly breaks down into "doesn't mention Schezo" and "tunnels hard"?

[Vibri]

Some stuffs before I go do a reread.

In all honesty, I wanted both Hourai and Schezo dead, due to intuition telling me one of them had to be scum. Oh the irony.

If you did, you sure had a strange way of showing it; your post here says "Schezo is going down the scum meter because he's starting to do good posts though" and your last real post D2 says "Schezo has gone down the scum meter somewhat since he's starting to post legitimate posts." Feel free to continue calling other people out for defending Schezo, though.

(stuff about vote timing and reason for saying schezo looked pro-town)

As of post #160 reV was still posting nothing but defense.  My case on him was basically "abstaining from scumhunting during all of D1 and all of D2 thusfar is extremely scummy," so given that he still hadn't scumhunted, I felt that leaving my vote on him was the way to go. His defense didn't do anything for me, and we got into a back-and-forth thing where all of his responses just made me more convinced that he was scum.  I eventually realized that if we kept going at it, it was just going to be me going AAAAA and reV responding to everything I said, which wasn't going to get us anywhere (and the rest of the town seemed to have already made their minds up about him one way or another) so I stopped.

#160 was basically a response for Doll; I originally noticed the thing I brought up #155 and then Doll asked me why I thought Hourai was scummy, so I was like "that's a good question, I should reread Hourai and see what's up with that. haha man what the fuck Hourai." Hourai didn't respond to everyone until I had decided to stop hammering reV, and then I got stuck in the same loop I had with reV (Hourai posts a response to me or other players and I go "haha what the fuck Hourai," causing him to respond again, etc.)  By the end of the day it was obvious that nobody else thought reV was worth pursuing, and by that point I had heard enough out of Hourai to consider him scum, so I voted him. I do agree the timing was unfortunate, though, especially given the circumstances. Again, though, at that point I was super convinced that Hourai and reV were the best lynch candidates, and both of them were going after Schezo, so I basically just went "innocent by association" and didn't even think to look into him. That was obviously also a mistake :X

As for why I said I thought Schezo was OK in #160: I thought his point about Hourai in #91 was pretty good, and then his followup case in #147 seemed pretty good as well. At that point in the game I was mostly just seeing Hourai going after Schezo, and Hourai's logic made my brain explode, so that probably contributed as well. Seeing Schezo go "you haven't answered other people's questions for you" and seeing Hourai respond "that's because it happened D1, which I asked everyone to forget" kind of made me go "well, that's a point in Schezo's favor."


umm in other news where are bard and affinity
oh there you are bard.  hi bard!  ok where's affinity

[Vibri]

Rou: Hey, here's a list of all the times you defended Schezo.
#121 - "The problem I have is that there's nothing outright malicious in what he's said - it's derp rather than scummy - and yet four votes fell on him in the space of about 20 posts, one of which was Bob suddenly jumping away from his new OMGUS Pesco case. Compared to Bob, it definitely carries a bigger feel of scum-panic-wagon.  In general I'm convinced the Schezo wagon has bad roots, and I really don't think Schezo's derp is as bad as what other people have done today."
#133 - "I'm still thinking Schezo is Town. At the very least, he's not done anything that I wouldn't write up as being more than just derpy."
#177 - "As for my opinion on Schezo, in terms of content I decided it mostly on this post. In general, I can't see scum [or indeed scumteam] letting a buddy get away with spouting this sort of nonsense. I'll agree that he needs to step up his game today, but generally I didn't think there was enough against him that seemed genuinely malicious."
"More prominently, and as I said here, I was turned off by the impossible speed the Schezo wagon appeared in. Four Townies do not conveniently come to agreement on the same suspicion within such a short span of time."  Also calls out PX for "contributed to the horrible horrible HORRIBLE Schezo bandwagon"
#182 - "I'm going to admit that reasoning isn't enough on its own especially given his lack of productivity elsewhere, but I can't get over the speed of that wagon. It's just plain unnatural, and I'm convinced there's at least one, maybe even two scum on that wagon."
#192 - "I am still adamant that scum would not press that hard and fast if Schezo was among them, and I find it difficult to believe all four of the members of the quick wagon are Town."
#209 - "I probably like Schezo 196 more than I should. It just has a feel of genuine effort to me."
#229 - "Only one post in it and I still really don't like the Schezo lynch." (last post of D2)

Almost every post you made between the start of the wagon D1 and the lynch D2 was in support of Schezo.  #209 is especially weird, since it's just straight-up cheerleading. You named PX as your second pick for scum here and blasted him again here, but then when he made it clear that he wasn't going after Schezo, you say "PX has...stepped up his game considerably" and then you never mention him again.  Basically, what the fuck, dude? You sure went balls-out trying to get people to not pursue the dude who flipped scum. I'd really like to see you respond to the things people are saying about you.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Honestly, I don't have a clue what exactly you want me to say. What is there to say other than that I honestly believed that scum wouldn't allow four players to bandwagon a buddy in the space of three hours? I'm not approving of the way people discard it as WIFOM, because it isn't. It involves unnecessarily putting a buddy in danger of being lynched when already the discussion was between Huh what and Bob. We know there's at least one townie in that pair and therefore there's no reason for scum to bring a buddy into the fight as well. The jumping of votes just rung as disgustingly co-ordinated.

That is my defense. That is all I have to offer, and I'm not saying any more on the subject for the sake of repeating myself. I don't know what to say other than 'yes, I really am as stupid as I say I am'.

As for VgT - yes, that is my whole case. I find convenient ignorance more damning than defense, personally.

I had a lot of choice words I nearly posted here, but I'll leave it for postgame where it belongs. For now, let me just say that I'm not going to waste breath defending myself from facts. Now, if you don't mind, I've held myself back from an event I'm meant to be running in real life for 25 minutes to write this.

[Serp]

huh what:  Yes, I was mistaken about PX's vote on Schezo being the first.  Not sure whether that's much better, though.  Keep in mind that Bob was at four votes, so putting a scumbuddy at 2 wouldn't exactly qualify as a serious bus.

VgameT:  I don't really like to condone meta games, but...  Yeah, that's pretty much exactly Rou's meta, picking one case and tunneling on it until forced to stop.  I haven't seen enough of him as scum to say what his scum meta is, and of course the thing with meta is that it can always be feigned, but the fact that Rou jumped on Hourai so early, rather than switching at some strategic moment when Schezo was under threat, is what makes me view his vote on the apparently townie wagon as not extremely scummy.  His defense of Schezo could make sense as pulling for the wagon that he believed would result in a scum flip.

As far as lynch priorities go, I'm pretty annoyed at the way that RDS has basically disappeared again, but I suppose it's better to follow up on our scum flip lead than to just policy lynch a player that seems to be allergic to opinions.  Lynch priorities remain the same.  I think people need to take a closer look at PX, and if that's not an option, I'd still prefer a VgameT lynch to a Roukanken one.

[Affinity]

In short, I would like to say again that the reason I switched to Bob on D1 is because of Schezo's surprisingly original points on Bob's weird folly with pesco and his late bandwagon jump (he voted pesco when he could have started the case on Schezo) here, which made much more sense to me at that time than Bob's vote on Schezo which was just copy-pasting; thus I switched to Bob.  At least, that was my thinking, but after the flip my opinion of Schezo went steadily downhill on D2.

As for today, Roukanken is bad for obvious reasons; too obvious perhaps, but this is somewhat counterbalanced by him not specifically pointing out how any of Schezo's posts were any good (unlike mine for example), , and him almost totally reliant on the fact that the bandwagon on him went up too fast, which has nothing to do with Schezo at all.  Perhaps the momentum of his actions on Bob carried onto the next day; it would have been hard to change his vote at all on D2 to Schezo... thus I think his current behavior fits scum behavior quite logically, despite the blatancy of all of it.  There were also many different  reasonable, null-tellish reasons to vote for Hourai, but Roukanken seems have the worst cut of all of them, sticking to the main thing about tunneling on Hourai illogically with minimal views on others,  Preferred lynch for today, and nothing that seems defensible, especially when he seems to be the only one going for a untelegraphed PX/VgT scumpair which feels easy and not thought out well.   I'm not comfortable with him surviving past today no matter what happens.

VgameT seems fine in comparison; I don't agree with his reasons for voting Hourai either but they certainly seem more thought out here, despite his vote being in a more damning position..  The distinction between derp and scum wasn't made clear in that analysis (hard to do), and I don't like the point about Hourai calling Schezo out on defending reV for no reason as scummy (not talking about reV doesn't affect the point imo), but that seems to be about it .

PX pretty much dropped under the radar for me due to his assault on Hourai here, which on the whole seemed rather good when coming from him.  To add onto Serp's points, however, he does seem to have suddenly revised his opinions on Schezo and even Hourai from D1 to D3 multiple times without precedent *says that Hourai's things against Schezo were 'slightly valid' without raising anything of that sort yesterday', and has mysteriously avoided going after Rou today when he said that he agreed with huhwhat on his Rou bashing in the post on top due to being an' early vote'.  This needs to be clarified.  Thus, for now,

##Vote: PX

##Kill: Roukanken (since around the number of people required for the lynch have voiced support for the wagon, and since much of the things on Rou doesn't seem defensible.  Personally, I think he's a WIFOM we can't afford; a second lynch today would be useful in clearing up stuff and forcing scum to make stances on the off-chance Roukanken is town.  And yes, I claim town one-shot dayvig).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

well then

Will probably be switching to VgT after Rou dies.

[WHMZakeri]

##Kill: Roukanken

Affinity called the energies within his body, and raised he hands to the sky. In the distance, a gleam appeared, as an Onbashira, blessed by Kanako herself, descends. Roukanken helplessly looks upward, but there is nothing he can do but cringe in anticipation of the blow. As expected, there was a large WHAM. The log had almost fully imbedded itself into the ground.

It took roukanken a few moments to realize that while he had indeed felt the impact, it was only indirectly. He opened his eyes, and glanced to his left. There it stood, massive, and harmless. The Onbashira then began to tip over sideways.

well then

Will probably be switching to VgT after Rou dies.

Huh what had casually turned his back towards what was the assumed wreckage. Unknowing of the log's traveling path, he made a casual comment about Rou's supposed death. The log the fell over knocked poor huh what into the ground, where he currently laid unconscious. The godesses brought him into the Shrine to recover while the game continued.

Huh what was Alice Margatroid, Cult Member

VoteCount has been reset.
You have 22 hours left in the day.
With 8 Alive, 5 is the majority.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

WHY
WHY
WHYYYYY

[FinnKaenbyou]

...A vig that kills the first person to mention the shot? That's just mean.

And now there's apparently a cult involved in all of this, too. Magical. :[

OK, now that we're set to at best hit MYLO and at worst be stuck in an unwinnable fight between Cult and Scum I'd REALLY not like to die now. Death would've been okay if it still left us at 5/2, but 3towniesmax/2scum/1cultistminimum is just too much for me to roll over and die on. Vote count's been reset, and given I'd rather not die I'm going to support a wagon I can agree with.

##Vote: PX

Lack of presence D1, total hypocrisy and uselessness followed by being far too verbose today reeks of scum coaching, making absurd impossible guarantees on no basis ('only one scum on the Hourai wagon, guys!'), being present on the Hourai wagon for lousy reasons and generally being nonsupportive and stealing his ideas from other people.

[Vibri]

WhiteMageChocobo: I understand where you're coming from but I find it impossible to believe that huh what's cultbuddies would allow him to be accidentally dayvigged.

Rou: what happened to your case on me all of a sudden?

[FinnKaenbyou]

Rou: what happened to your case on me all of a sudden?

No-one is supporting it, I have less than 24 hours until the lynch, and given that we are now running very low on time [and quite possibly Townies] I would rather we lynched a player I didn't know was Town. Hence, moving to the other wagon I can support.

[reVelske]

WhiteMageChocobo: I understand where you're coming from but I find it impossible to believe that huh what's cultbuddies would allow him to be accidentally dayvigged.

What?

Okay I dunno what's going on anymore so I'm just gonna sit here and twiddle my thumbs.

Guess Affinity cleared? ##Unvote

[reVelske]

*guess affinity is cleared

Well, I'm still confident with my theory that at least one person on Bob's wagon is a scum, doesn't look like the cult is associated with scums, and since Affinity is cleared, it has to be Rouk or VgT.

##vote: Rouk

[FinnKaenbyou]

Well, I'm still confident with my theory that at least one person on Bob's wagon is a scum, doesn't look like the cult is associated with scums, and since Affinity is cleared, it has to be Rouk or VgT.

Hanged Hourai (L-2) Schezo, Roukanken, PhoeniX Wrong, VgameT

Why not PX? Not a big fan of dichotomies, myself.

[reVelske]

I said Bob's wagon, Hourai/Schezo wagons are hard to read into due to potential busing.

[Bardiche]

##VOTE: Roukanken

Your case on VgameT doesn't reek of honest scumhunting, not after all the effort you went through to try and get Schezo's alternative lynched. Jumping on PX with an equally lackluster case just reeks of a lack of effort and I honestly cannot imagine town caught in an "OHSHI" moment to put so little effort into convincing us why we should vote another. Wordswordswords? Screw that, concise mode here.

[PX]

Schezo (L-4) Inaba Tewi, Hanged Hourai, Affinity, PhoeniX Wrong, Bob, Hanged Hourai

Well, just to disprove you even more Rou, you suspected that there was scum in the Schezo D1 wagon. You missed completely. You have no power behind your words now. Also, you mentioned in the first post of D3 that you gave free passes to Affinity, Bard, and HW. What about reV? Or Doll?

Also Doll, I'd like to see a long post by you, so we can see your exact opinion on things instead of a summary.

followed by being far too verbose today reeks of scum coaching

...

making absurd impossible guarantees on no basis ('only one scum on the Hourai wagon, guys!')

...See above quote

Anyways, good job on jumping on the only other person with a case on them.

##Vote: Roukanken

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Really, I have nothing new to add that you guys haven't already said but the revelation of cultists is a shocker.....There should be at maximum of two cultist still, what with it being day 3...

Also, I haven't really been paying much attention to this and will re-read everything some other time in the future to provide a better opinion of things.

My vote is still on Roukan though.

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@Doll: Votecount has been reset... so you would have to vote again.

PX has been hilariously hypocritical today considering that he's jumping as much on an easy wagon as Rou has, and that '...' feels way too smug regarding that still needs explanation (why one person on Hourai wagon etc.) As much as I'm liking him less and less, I'm still going for Roukanken today for the above reasons; going for PX was too little too late. 

##Vote: Roukanken.  L-1, if I'm not wrong.