MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win

[Kiva-la]

Donut: That confused emote was in response to you, not part of the question that came after it. I'm not quite sure what you meant with that statement; would you mind refreshing my memory?

Valentia: So you used your power for a personal curiosity instead of in a pro-town capacity by using it on someone you found suspicious?

[DiEnd]

Well, um, Yes i did  :ohdear:

[OOO]

I thought that wrathie had the item swap role since i lost my vig bat on N1, so i used the role on N2 to attempt and confrim this but to no avail, wrathie didnt have the bat nor the item swap role!

How does it matter who has the power swap role, and how did you know that it was a role in the first place and not an item?  You should have been amassing information on those more suspicious ones who were not likely to be NK'ed; it would have been more valuable today.

Well, um, Yes i did

>_>

Also, why didn't you use the item identifier on D3?  You really had nothing to lose by using it, and with all your weird uses and non-uses of your role and item, it really feels quite sketchy.

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@donut:

If Mode is scum.... yes, that seems like the most likely scenario, I think.  If we could get mod clarification on whether a roleblock + NK would only take one bite, it would be nice... but the problem is that if Purvis got 3 bites on N1 from the same person, I think two actions might constitute two bites.  Could certainly see the reason behind such an action though.

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[Sasword]

Also, since you have posted your action history but made zero effort to acknowledge my question, I'll ask again, because now I'm really curious. All you did last night were the two actions you've claimed?

I figured posting my action history *would* be answering your question, but to answer your question clearly: The only two things I did on N3 are ##Pastry Donut and ##Draw you.

Drake: Hoboverlord is the name of my role, and I confirmed as such in my next post after Valentia's claim. What are you trying to get at there?

The potential Freudian slip is very interested, though, I will grant that. It doesn't help Valentia that her investigations have yet to give the public something they didn't already know (outside of the Hoboverlord thing).

asfasdfasdf how did I miss that

The Magical Drawing Utensils never gave me a name for your ability outside of Governor and I remember thinking the name Val gave for it, 'Hoboverlord' fishy at first since that was never mentioned to me. Also, I misremembered you confirming Val's claim as coming *before* she said that and not after.

Hell, maybe it was just a coincidence after all, but damned if I didn't think that was a huge slip. @_@;

@Donut: I think we have to operate until the very real possibility of there being more than one Anti-Town role at this point. Like I said before, highly doubtful there are two scum, but there very well could be 1 scum and 1 third party with some sort of zaniness to them.

And ASDFSDFDS I'm going to have to agree with you wholeheartedly about Mode now. I don't know how I didn't seriously consider her using both roleblock and lynch on you. I kept thinking "If Mode were scum she would have obviously tried to block Donut and lynch me, but only Donut got nibbled!". Also was thinking nibbles = number of abilities stopped, but if that might not be the case then this suddenly makes a whole lot of sense.

Pseudo-Mylo with only one scum notwithstanding (and I swear to god if one of you is the Moriyavatar I will seriously flip my shit) , everything else makes sense if you assume roleblock + kill on Donut by Mode. She had to roleblock Donut to succeed because of Death Resistant, but she probably never expected to be blocked. The only thing she could have possibly done at that point, is hope that she could implicate Val and hope no one could support her claim or refute Mode's.

##Vote: Mode

[Kiva-la]

I figured posting my action history *would* be answering your question, but to answer your question clearly: The only two things I did on N3 are ##Pastry Donut and ##Draw you.

I apologize for my belligerence, but I wanted to make sure I had a clear answer.

So what happened to the autonomous role steal, then?

[OOO]

Pseudo-Mylo with only one scum notwithstanding (and I swear to god if one of you is the Moriyavatar I will seriously flip my shit) , everything else makes sense if you assume roleblock + kill on Donut by Mode. She had to roleblock Donut to succeed because of Death Resistant, but she probably never expected to be blocked. The only thing she could have possibly done at that point, is hope that she could implicate Val and hope no one could support her claim or refute Mode's.

All in all, I think it comes down to this; either the above happened, or Valentia lied about rolecopping wrathie and rolecopped Purvis on N1 or N2.  The thing is that I think that Mode's actions do make sense as town too as well as scum; roleblocking Valentia was quite a valid option if she were town since Val had a decent chance of being scum.  Looking at this alone, it seems like a 50-50 toss up between her being town and scum. 

But Valentia has done rather interesting things that I don't accept as town; e.g rolecopping wrathie for the sake of personal curiosity, not using the item identifier on D3 when it could have really helped town in someway, and supposedly not using the rolecop ability on N1 as well when it could have helped town at no cost.  I don't think all of this could be explained as noobtown; voting Trance to L-1 on D3 I'm okay with, but not participating on D2 at all and dropping a vote for no reason?  Thus, I think I'd rather prefer the alternate explanation to all the events here, that Valentia somehow used her abilities on N1/2 on Purvis and knew his role even now; even considering that he's a newbie, Valentia is my vote for today.  Considering that 3 bites on Purvis came from one person on N1, I think it's likely that only a NK is involved too.

[Serela]

!!!! Votecount

Easy Modo (2): Violentia, GODrake
Slabes (1): Kuruminut
Violentia (1): Easy Modo

Not Voting: Slabes, HoboverlordPurvis

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Like 60 hours or something.

[Sasword]

So what happened to the autonomous role steal, then?

I still have it, and it hasn't done anything yet. I still have no idea how it works, as it doesn't explicitly say any triggers either.

and supposedly not using the rolecop ability on N1 as well when it could have helped town at no cost. 

Correction, she had a bat on N1 and she chose not to use it. Or at least chose to use it at night and kill Eve for whatever reason, but I already mentioned why I thought that was unlikely.

I see your reasoning here, but I feel like Valentia being scum would be like throwing Occam's razor to the wind. We can assume that Valentia had the skills to make sure she has never been caught in a lie so far, was smart enough to use the bat N1 instead of D2 like Trance to cover up her kill (yet not smart enough to kill a good Townie instead of someone suspicious), has managed to evade any contradictory claims until now.... or that she's a nubTown that has been playing less than spectacular this game, and everything she says has been true.

[Sasword]

EBWOP: "use the bat N1 instead of D2" should be "use the bat during the night instead of during the day"


Now that I think of it, using the vig N1 instead of D1 is a TERRIBLE idea, since that leaves the possibility of getting blocked or tracked.

[OOO]

@Drake:

True, but here Valentia says that the baseball bat was stolen from her before she could use it, implying that she had the rolecop ability on N1.  E.g

oh, to clear up me killing N1, the baseball bat was stolen from me before i could use the night kill  so i couldnt have night killed anyone on N1

As for the evading the contradictory claims thing, I find that she did so in a very artless way; e.g not using the item identifier on D3 and using the rolecop on wrathie N2 (or maybe N1).  Perhaps claiming the latter takes a bit of foresight to do, but the others can certainly be attributed to a newbie.  Not many people paid attention to him N3 D3 anyways...

[Sasword]

@Drake:

True, but here Valentia says that the baseball bat was stolen from her before she could use it, implying that she had the rolecop ability on N1.  E.g

My ability swaps after everyone's abilities have resolved, and they get informed as the next day begins. I can confirm this since I used the action on myself, and I was informed of my results as the day began. Also, practically every night i've submitted my initial choices early, thought about things, then revised them before the night was over. If the switch happened in real-time i'm sure Neo would have said something to me. :V

However, what you quoted is a bit confusing for me, since it seems to imply the otherwise. I don't know what to make of it yet.


Where the heck did Mode go, anyway?

[Den-O]

Still here.

- I started with the Invisibility Cloak.
- N1 I stalked Purvis, saw him ##Ask Sana.
- N2 I stalked Donut, who ##Pastry'd Purvis.
- Mystery bomb gave my cloak to Purvis, I ended up with Drake's(?) roleblock gun.
- N3 I roleblocked Valentia.

Sticking to it.

[Kiva-la]

Drake: Oh, sorry, I had it in my mind that autonomous meant something else.

Kinda wish you had been clear about it from the get-go but that may just be self-frustrastion talking.

If I had to vote at this point it would probably be for Mode. All the other errors and unhelpfulness aside, Valentia did get the name of my role right, and instead of pursuing the angle Slaves tried to pursue regarding lying about timing she instead tried to discredit the guess directly, saying (or at least heavily implying) that it was "a fair chance" (among other phrasings) Valentia could guess it since it was a part of my name. Thing is, only one of the flipped roles so far has even remotely resembled the player's name, never mind being contained entirely within the name. This seems more a scummy discredit reach than a townie investigation (the Slaves path, again, would be something I consider an example of a townie investigation).

[Ouja]

Donut: That confused emote was in response to you, not part of the question that came after it. I'm not quite sure what you meant with that statement; would you mind refreshing my memory?

I claim the cloak of invisibility. (This is why I've danced around the item issue ever since the beginning of yesterday - I didn't want to draw more nasty attention to myself.) Last night, I stalked Slaves. He did not take an action, just as he has claimed. (This is why I did not immediately vote, as others around me were doing - Slaves was still my prime suspect, but I wasn't as sure as I was yesterday.)

I cannot find where Slaves said he did not take an action N3.  In retrospect, Slaves said this--

I did nothing in between N2 and D3, as I said my item changed due to the mystery bomb.

but the bomb went off early D3, so Slaves likely forgot how to speak English again and meant to say N3 and D4.

but the problem is that if Purvis got 3 bites on N1 from the same person

The mod just called.  I was only targeted thrice on N1; the "three times by one person" was pointless bastardry.

I don't know how I didn't seriously consider her using both roleblock and lynch on you.

My fault.

The mod said the RB and the kill would have been one nibble each.  I propose lynching the mod again.
Alternatively, if Drake could ask huh what the same questions ("How many times did I get targeted last night again?" "If the same person targeted my target with two different actions, how many nibbles would I get?") and see if we get a different answer. >_>

[Serela]

I propose lynching the mod again.

Isn't once enough for you ;_;

edit:oops

[Sasword]

Isn't once enough for you ;_;

Misrep. That's a quote from Donut, not me. :| <NeoSerela>Oops.


If lynch + roleblock = only one nibble, then I'm officially confused again. :/

[Kiva-la]

I cannot find where Slaves said he did not take an action N3.  In retrospect, Slaves said this-- but the bomb went off early D3, so Slaves likely forgot how to speak English again and meant to say N3 and D4.

Yeah, that it what I thought he meant at the time and to what I was referring with the statement you bolded.

[Ouja]

Isn't once enough for you ;_;

edit:oops

Well you did just misrep Drake, edit your post, and (however accidentally) send me an entirely misleading N1 result.  And it would mean we've still lynched scum every day.

Given that I was targeted by only one of the kill and roleblock, we're back to square one-ish.

While I was gone today I thought about the possibility of Mode being blocked, causing the Roleblock to disappear.   This means that one of us one of us is lying about their role (not item) ability.  Slaves is still cleared via Purvis.  I'm cleared via Drake.  Purvis is cleared via Valentia and Drake.  Valentia is cleared by Purvis regardless of when the role cop ability was actually used.  Mode is definitely what she says for what it's worth.  Drake's claims are a giant mess but ultimately he's cleared by Valentia and Trance.

The only other factor I can think of that would produce Pseudo-MyLo given no LyLo yesterday is scumkill+2 delicious pastry vanishes.  So this very well may not be MyLo at all.

One remaining question - one for Drake and Slaves - is clarification on what the Magical Drawing Tools actually do.  Specifically, I don't see a ##command for Purvis's ability given inthread, and what exactly you're told about what each role does is unclear.

If that doesn't produce anything, then I don't think we can determine a liar from the information given (unless someone wants to argue that Mode chose not to Roleblock OR blocked Slaves and then lied about it later).

I'm not sure if we should No Lynch for more information or not, given that we've fully claimed.  If we were to lynch, I would probably go for Valentia and simply assume the Hoboverlord claim was a lucky guess.  Both of Valentia's present abilities do not produce confirmable information, whereas everyone else's does.

Conclusion:  e ^ʍe

[Kiva-la]

My current item's action is ##Stalk, which I believe Mode mentioned on Day 3.

My thinking on today being Lylo or Mylo or Hi-Lo or Shiloh or whatever is the presence of a third party, which is going to be nigh impossible to account for as they could have just about any power, including some bizarre nightkill-unlocked-by-lylo power or something. Whatever it is, I think it's safe to assume someone is lying via omission about what they can do, which...yeah, good luck to us trying to figure out who it is, at least today.

[Ouja]

My current item's action is ##Stalk, which I believe Mode mentioned on Day 3.

I totally didn't want you to be the one saying that, but whatever.

My thinking on today being Lylo or Mylo or Hi-Lo or Shiloh or whatever is the presence of a third party, which is going to be nigh impossible to account for as they could have just about any power, including some bizarre nightkill-unlocked-by-lylo power or something. Whatever it is, I think it's safe to assume someone is lying via omission about what they can do, which...yeah, good luck to us trying to figure out who it is, at least today.

After looking back over what the Moriyavatar did I think we should lynch the mod again just to be safe.

If it came down to lynching the sheer scummiest person in the game, then, I think it would have to be Serela Slaves Valentia, yes?

Conclusion

(I admit I've wanted to do the anime-eevee-squeal reference ever since e we started) 

##Unvote: Slaves
##Vote: Valentia

Two votes Valentia, two votes Mode, four to lynch.

[Serela]

Hungry Votecount

Easy Modo (2): Violentia, GODrake
Violentia (2): Easy Modo, Kuruminut

Not Voting: Slabes, HoboverlordPurvis

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Like 47 hours or something.

[Sasword]

If it came down to lynching the sheer scummiest person in the game, then, I think it would have to be Serela Slaves Valentia, yes?

Noobish != scummy. I still feel like it's much less of a stretch to assume Val to just be an erratic noobish player than a scum player.

While I was gone today I thought about the possibility of Mode being blocked, causing the Roleblock to disappear.   This means that one of us one of us is lying about their role (not item) ability. 

Which makes it even less likely to be Valentia over Mode in my eyes. :/ She's claiming that she used her roleblock on Val, and that her roleblock was successful (I.E. she didn't get blocked in turn). So if it is as you say, Mode is lying in addition to someone else. And if that's the case, she's still using her lie to implicate Valentia, which would be insanely scummy.

The only other factor I can think of that would produce Pseudo-MyLo given no LyLo yesterday is scumkill+2 delicious pastry vanishes.  So this very well may not be MyLo at all.

One remaining question - one for Drake and Slaves - is clarification on what the Magical Drawing Tools actually do.  Specifically, I don't see a ##command for Purvis's ability given inthread, and what exactly you're told about what each role does is unclear.

There is no command for Purvis's Governor ability. I was just told that I PM the mod if I don't want the lynch to go through. ##Stalk is tied to Purvis's cloak, which I don't have.

Also, I don't have the ##Pastry ability anymore, because it got replaced by Purvis's Governor ability.  And I feel like things would be more clear to you if you read posts a little more carefully. :/

Magical Drawing Utensils: Once each night I can ##Draw someone. Drawing someone copies their role ability so that I can use it the next day/night, until I draw someone new where it gets replaced. I can both ##Draw someone new and use the ability at the same time.


I'm really not convinced of Valentia's scumminess, and it's to the point where I don't feel comfortable putting a vote down on her over Mode. I just can't believe that Val got a "lucky guess" on Purvis's role ability, and I don't like the ad hoc explanation that came up of "She must have used her ability on an earlier day and was lying". It's within the realm of possibility I suppose, but it still seems like a stretch.  Scum team obviously had enough sense to kill Kilga on D2, and I don't know why they would have killed somone like Eve N1 which makes me think she wasn't vigged. Also, "sacrificial lamb" implies that dying might have been part of her role.

[Ouja]

And I feel like things would be more clear to you if you read posts a little more carefully.

It would be more clear if people precisely fullclaimed the first time >_>

I don't have anything against lynching Mode.  I remember the cheesevotes at the end of D2, I remember hating her D1, she has the lowest posting rate of everyone still alive in the game by a fairly large margin and doesn't seem particularly interested in finding scum or sorting out what happened.  Valentia is if anything a utility lynch based on the least possible harm and basically ignoring the night action mess.

Roleblockers do not get notification of if they were Roleblocked.  If Mode was blocked, there would only be one liar.

If you can no longer Pastry then I have no idea why we're in MyLo but I get the impression I won't like it.

I don't disagree with your reasons for not voting Valentia and can vote Mode, sure.  Want me to L-1 her?

[OOO]

I second Drake's explanation of my role.  And yes, I meant to say that I did nothing on N3 but looks like my english failed me...

Roleblockers do not get notification of if they were Roleblocked

I second this; I was roleblocked on N1 by Drake and the mod simply said that nothing happened.

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I don't like Mode not really participating in the discussion either (especially regarding still planning to roleblock me tonight after all that happened), but still, I'm not convinced that she should get the vote over her.  There is only one scum left, and if Mode was scum she must have submitted the kill.  But there is no reason why she should not roleblock donut while killing him after donut claiming death resistance (if Mode is scum); you could say all her actions might have to generate all this madness the next day, but at the expense of giving town one more day to win?  I don't think it really makes sense, and if there's a third-party involved, I don't see how scum could know the existence of such a thing on N3.

As for Valentia, all the clears given to her (e.g not killing anyone on D1/N1 (I think Eve was fated to die) even after being told that the bat could be lost, etc), don't seem that convincing to me (it's okay to keep it till D2), and I would say that knowing a person's rolename is not as fantastic as what people think it is (e.g Trance may have had the ability to ##copafeel someone before everything started like I did?  etc.)  It's just that Valentia's night actions don't make sense at all in a townie context, while Mode's actions don't make sense on the off-chance that she is scum...  Thus, I would go for Violentia instead.

##Vote: Violentia

[Ouja]

##Unvote: Valentia

[Serela]

Thirsty Votecount

Easy Modo (2): Violentia, GODrake
Violentia (2): Easy Modo, Slabes

Not Voting: Kuruminut, HoboverlordPurvis

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are about 24 hours left in the day.

[Kiva-la]

Still leaning Mode myself.

[Kiva-la]

EBWOP: Wait what.

I second this; I was roleblocked on N1 by Drake and the mod simply said that nothing happened.

Really? "Nothing happened"? Those are the exact words?

Those are the words I got when trying to ##Stalk you.

Now I'm wondering if I was roleblocked.

[Den-O]

Unless there is a second roleblock and someone is lying by omission; no, you weren't. There's no reason for me to roleblock the "Golden Townie".

(Ok, well, there is, but Valentia is certainly a more outstanding risk)

[OOO]

No, my mistake, the mod said that 'the drawing did not give you any powers".  Sorry about that, but yes, Serela never said that I was roleblocked.