Author Topic: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN  (Read 77138 times)

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #270 on: September 13, 2010, 04:47:47 AM »
Alright. Finally back here. Probably going to bed right after I post, so go ahead and field any questions if there's something you want me answering before then. I'm sure i'll be sitting here for at least an hour catching up.
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #271 on: September 13, 2010, 05:43:37 AM »
Eh, trying to understand motivation here. I see you agreeing that I'm not entirely wrong but you choose to interpret things in a way different from me. Rather than conclude wishywashiness is scummy (to me, it is), you conclude it must be "derp" and thus cannot be a scumtell. Unfortunately wishywashiness isn't just derp, it's an excuse to not be accountable for your accounts. "I didn't vote because I was in doubt", "I ended up lynching town but I wasn't sure about it", "I want to have options to jump on either train at this stage but as I don't know which'll take off I won't join any".

As the case on me is entirely based on that you don't like my idea of who are scummy there is little else I can say. Yes, my suspects have low content, but that's not the only thing I fault them with and not even the biggest thing I hold against them. What's there is bad.

Still see no reason to get off of Nat Tea due to continued silence.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #272 on: September 13, 2010, 06:48:01 AM »
Good morning~

VOTECOUNT

Nobu ( 2 ): Kilgamayan, NeoSerela
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Affinity
NeoSerele ( 1 ): UncertainKitten
Nat Tea/Choja ( 1 ): Bardiche
Chaore ( 1 ): Nat Tea
Polaris ( 1 ): Kefit
Bardiche ( 1 ): Chaore

Not Voting: Nobu, Polaris

Polaris has been prodded.

With 10 votes in play, 6 votes are required to hammer.  A little less than 48 hours left.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #273 on: September 13, 2010, 07:22:02 AM »
There went my plans on sleeping early. An hour later, and I *just* got done with my reread/processing. My brain feels kinda mushy right now.

RE huhwhat/my exchange early D1: It's as Kilga/UK says. I know D1 starts rvs and ends srs bsnss, but how real cases evolve from rvs is still a mystery to me. At the time I still thought it was RVS phase and didn't interpret the 'serious' cases as actually serious. My post ending in ??? was half musing half hoping someone would explain how it works.

Re: wagon on me: Not much to say there in my defense. I realize my inability to play an active role in D1 + little content asides + bandwagony vote on a town flip doesn't exactly give me any townie cred to speak of. I parked my vote on HW because it was the most convincing at the time, and I never had sufficient motivation to move it off from what I could skim over as D1 came to an end.  Someone said something earlier in the thread i'll keep in mind: "if you can't make yourself look less scummy, find someone else who looks scummier."

One person that sticks out to me amidst the muddle of processing all this at once, is NeoSerela. Particularly, on all the emphasis put on my mentioning of LAL as a reason to potentially switch my vote to Serela, when that was a growing sentiment started by Bardiche here. (At that point I was trying to see if any stronger cases have cropped up and Neo's seemed like the only candidate outside of lolPrody, which is why I mentioned it, by the way.)

Eh, I realize now after looking back that UK already questioned Serela on that incongruency, but what I didn't see (and really what caught my eye) was this flipflop here on D1:

However, when people start voting lurkers on D1, isn't there usually like... everyone else going "LAL doesn't work that way, what are you doing, wait till D2"? Ehh, whatever, I'd probably be voting me atm if I were you people.

And then a few hours later:

The only contribution I really see from you is jumping on HW, and saying you're tempted to vote me for LAL. ha ha old chap LAL on D1. Also, we're the two non-you and non-lolprody wagons that have been here today. So... yeah. I see scummy intent there. You look worse then huhwhat to me, at the very least.

What's striking is that you suddenly started lauding the fact that I'd mention D1 LAL and single, yet just earlier admit that *you'd* probably vote yourself for the very same reason if you were someone else. It REALLY feels like you picked up the anti-D1-LAL stance just so you could make a good case on me.(And be wishywashy about the huhwhat bandwagon in the same post!).

Also, your defense of your vote in your latest post.

I'm definitely being weary of Affinity now, with all his defense towards Nobu and how much he loved the huhwhat train yesterday. If Nobu flips scum, I'd be fairly sure Affinity is too. That's something to discuss tomorrow though, after we have said flips (Or later if Nobu isn't dead by then)

..when Affinity was clearly asking why I was *worse* than the others, not that I was the paragon of towniness and that you should be ashamed for voting me. I see no denial of my scumminess by Affinity, but not only do you get really defensive but you accuse him of being scummy because of it? Getting someone off your back and also pushing the topic aside at the same time.

Right now Neo's vote on me feels like it's because i'm an easy target, and it helps her avoid having to make good cases on other people or even going beyond the ~*quick analysis*~ phase with most. I'm going to call you on that last part too. I'm clearly not dead yet, so we have the time to discuss whatever it is you wanted to discuss.

##Vote: NeoSerela


(Holy crap, this took damn near three hours and I have work in the morning ;_; Guess it's my penance for being away.)
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #274 on: September 13, 2010, 07:26:57 AM »
EBWOP: On the reread, I realize that the last sentence doesn't flow in the way I wanted it to.

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Re: wagon on me: Not much to say there in my defense. I realize my inability to play an active role in D1 + little content asides + bandwagony vote on a town flip doesn't exactly give me any townie cred to speak of. I parked my vote on HW because it was the most convincing at the time, and I never had sufficient motivation to move it off from what I could skim over as D1 came to an end.  Someone said something earlier in the thread i'll keep in mind: "if you can't make yourself look less scummy, find someone else who looks scummier."

What I meant was that "Since I have no real way to defend myself as I acknowledge my scumtells, I will focus my efforts on finding/making a good case on someone instead of overexplaining what few actions I did. in D1."
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #275 on: September 13, 2010, 02:05:36 PM »
@Serela:  I can see where you're coming from if you say that I'm slightly tied to Nobu, but I don't believe that I have, as he said, said that he was any more town or scum than Polaris and Nat Tea at that moment.  Note that I have not defended Nobu's actions directly, but that I happened to have issues with many people who voted Nobu due to the fact that they were either defending huhwhat for very strange reasons or changing their votes weirdly. 

Finally, I'll just have to add that I don't think bandwagon hops for agreeing with other people's cases are exactly very bad in early D1.  Yes you can say that he hasn't made any original cases and stuff like that but it's okay to vote for someone else's reasons.  Even Kefit and Kilga have expressed their support for voting Nat Tea in this manner, after all; there's nothing wrong with that.  This is why I don't agree with the Nobu case.

Furthermore, I would like to say that:

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The only contribution I really see from you is jumping on HW, and saying you're tempted to vote me for LAL. ha ha old chap LAL on D1. Also, we're the two non-you and non-lolprody wagons that have been here today. So... yeah. I see scummy intent there. You look worse then huhwhat to me, at the very least.

this quote clearly shows that you considered the 'not you not prody' thing a valid reason to assume scummy intent, which I still do not understand. 

Furthermore, do make the case on me now, Serela.  I'm interested in knowing what you have to offer against me.

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I generally agree with Nobu's case on Serela; that anti-lurking point is something that seems rather strong.  I will also like to add that in this post, he does not say a single concrete reason as to WHY he did not really agree with the huhwhat case, but says that 'he's willing to switch', as if he's avoiding a townie wagon on purpose.  Lastly, there is the hypocrisy that he is screaming at all the 'derps' from previous game when in actuality he hasn't done much at all on D1; parking his vote on Nobu D1, not answering the various complaints levied against him, and asking others to contribute, which irritates me a little bit.  Serela's lack of opinions on everyone as an answer to my post seems rather bad too.  Since my issues with Kilga doesn't seem to be able to go anywhere for now (I still disagree with the ED1 thing but never mind), I'm willing to vote for Serela.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela

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As a note to Bardiche, and to some extent Kefit, I have to say that I agree with Chaore that while their cases against Polaris on Nat Tea have all the conventional brilliance and soundness, they are simply too easily made and obvious.  Obviously, as new players, the posts by Polaris and Nat Tea would have all the scummy mistakes on principle that anyone could point out.  It's rather possible for scum to park their votes on these liabilities without considering anything new that has happened with all the Nobu and Serela hanging around, and I fear that this will lead to us having nothing on them by late game.  Basically, they are all stuck on D1 actions and mafia theory, and I would like to see them make cases which have real currency, or at least give us their consideration on them.  Kefit especially has not given us anything of his scumhunting hireachy to work with (e.g why Polaris more scummy that Nat Tea, etc.) and he's suspicious in this respect.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #276 on: September 13, 2010, 04:20:01 PM »
I still see no compelling case to equate acting scummy to not being scum. New or not, a scumtell is a scumtell, and I will hunt them. Again, I re-iterate, scum is just as likely to be derp as town is. There is no complicated mathematical formula that makes sure newbies are never stuck with the scum card.

I don't subscribe to "That's way too scummy, it must be town". One day scum will pretend to be all herpaderpaloo and you'll be caught with your pants down if you keep excusing derpplay as being too stupid to be scum.

Ironically I missed this as I replied to Chaore.

I only voted for the extension because I was still thinking about if I wanted to vote for huh what or Chaore; I didn't expect UK to change votes between when I voted for extension and the deadline.

Then why did you not communicate this? You had ample time and opportunity to make clear why you were voting for an extension and why you were still worried between choices of Huh What and Chaore. You never made a compelling case on either, and ultimately your vote landed absolutely nowhere. It is not conductive to scum hunting. Even if I ignore lackluster participation, everything that is there has still done little in the way of pointing in any one direction.

Perhaps you can clear up this matter right now. Why did you feel it was so difficult to make a decision between who to vote for to the point of never voting on anyone?


On the NeoSerela case, I express interest. I'm not immediately tempted to switch my vote to support that wagon at this point. I do want to request Serela also address the matter I raised earlier, particularly her ready calling of "scum on Huh What's wagon"  while her D1 contributions came at a time most opinions had already been formed, and already she condemned and cheerled the wagon by that point here.

Specifically I am referring to saying that he doesn't look as bad as people say, that NeoSerela doesn't mind if he gets lynched, but also rather sees another person voted. The keypoint here is that "he doesn't look so bad" followed by "I don't mind if he's lynched".

If you think someone doesn't look very scummy I would expect a somewhat fiercer push to get the one you think DOES look worse lynched, and none of this semi-approving attitude by saying you don't oppose the lynch of someone you didn't think of as very scummy.

I'd oppose a lynch if it was on people I don't think are scummy, so why not you?

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #277 on: September 13, 2010, 07:09:07 PM »
I think I may have to change my mind on Nobu vs. Serela. A lot of the case I would make against him would be rehash, but I'm going to try to explain my own stance as best I can regardless.

I hadn't noticed just how nebulous his stance on huh what was on D1, and it does indeed seem designed more to get town cred for not wanting to be on a town wagon than anything else (not to mention all the stuff Bard points at as being wrong in regards to "I don't  think he looks that bad but I guess I wouldn't mind a lynch anyway").

The Serela/Affinity stuff...I have to admit I'm not 100% sold on there, as I could see how TownSerela could make the mistake of thinking Affinity was defending Nobu. However, the overreaction of "definitely being weary of Affinity now, with all his defense towards Nobu" feels less like a townie response than what he could have said, yeah.

The flip-flop Nobu pointed out is the most damning thing in my eyes. Since it wasn't explicitly stated, and it's a large part of the reason the flip-flop is as damning as it is to me, it is worth pointing out that the two posts Nobu quoted contain no contribution from Nobu on the subject in the meantime. In other words, Serela went from "I'd probably vote me for LAL" to "I think Nobu is scum for wanting to vote me for LAL" with zero additional Nobu input. There's no townie excuse for this kind of inconsistency, because a townie would actually believe the things they say and thus continue to hold the stances they hold if nothing appears in the meantime to change their minds.

Also relatively minor, but in thinking back on it, "I think there were scum on huh what's wagon" is a silly thing to say now considering Zakeri voted for him, to the point of looking like straight filler (which, really, the rest of his bullet points above that one also look like, considering how blindingly obvious they all are aside from perhaps the Polaris one).

Yeah, color me convinced.

##Unvote: Nobu
##Vote: NeoSerela
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[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
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[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #278 on: September 13, 2010, 07:11:49 PM »
Self-correction: I forgot Zakeri voted for Nobu, not huh what. Consider that particular point redacted, though my feeling about how much of that post was filler remains unchanged because, even though Zakeri wasn't on the wagon, "I think there were scum on [townie mislynch] wagon" is still an incredibly Captain Obvious statement.
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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #279 on: September 13, 2010, 08:40:04 PM »
Well, I honestly cannot argue that there's anything wrong with the case on me at this point, nor do I think I can find someone scummier (and actually have enough people believe me, at least).

I also understand exactly how I got in this position, and that it is entirely my fault, and maybe I just shouldn't have signed up to play for this game. Mafia is not one of my text adventures, and just because I don't feel like posting in it doesn't mean it's okay for me to not do so, and even when I have posted I've been much lazier about it then in previous mafia games, and that has obviously shown in my lackluster performance this game.

Replacing out would be both skipping out on the consequence of my actions, and kind of mean to whoever replaced me (Assuming anyone even did), so I'm not even going to try that. Trying to look town by explaining myself IMO shouldn't save me because I look quite terrible and I'd have to basically rehash most of my opinions and throw previous ones away (Aka not explaining why my previous actions were not scummy), PLUS considering how I got into this position, I can't even say I'd actually follow through with that plan to a satisfactory level.

Err, apologizes for lol WoT. Anyway, here's for the part that might actually matter.

I am a Townie Cop. N1 I copped Kilga, and got a Town result. I copped him because, well, Affinity basically sums it up here]http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7063.msg437732.html#msg437732]Affinity basically sums it up here. He was a big person on huhwhat's wagon that flipped town, plus he's Kilga and he's scary. So I reread him and thought it was a good idea to cop. In hindsight, maybe I should have waited till N2 since he may have just been NK'd N1 due to being Kilgajesus, but he didn't, so that worked out!

I'll do a reread with a fresh mind hopefully within a few hours, and see if I want to change my vote; with the hope of getting someone who isn't me (and by principal of knowing my own alignment, more likely to be scum then me) lynched, however unlikely that may be to happen.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #280 on: September 13, 2010, 08:49:08 PM »
...REALLY?

Hmm...not COMPLETELY sure I believe it, but I'm not sure I want to get into that right now.

At any rate, I...actually don't know what to do right now.

Hypothetically, if Serela is town, Nobu is more likely scum. But even then that was tenuous. I think Serela being scum would have correlated to Nobu town more.

I'll have to reanalyze the game at some point and relook over my thoughts. I THINK I want to vote Chaore but I have have to rereview that. Probably won't do that til later this evening since lol cookery.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #281 on: September 13, 2010, 08:49:20 PM »
Oh, right, ##Unvote


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #282 on: September 13, 2010, 08:57:58 PM »
My thoughts: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp:

Other than that, Serela, any particular reason you never even once hinted towards Kilgamayan being definite town during this Day? The only one you got a good town feeling over were UK and me; had you died today or this night without reveal, it'd be logical we'd assume you must've investigated one of us.

This makes me a bit leery because usually it's common and standard practice for the cop to at least breadcrumb a little on who they investigated, to say nothing of your quick give-up in the face of more than a day remaining. (granted, activity levels being what they are, I don't hold this against you too strongly, but.)

I'm going to sleep and see what I think in the morning. For now:  :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :ohdear:

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #283 on: September 13, 2010, 09:09:19 PM »
Bardiche:I wasn't exactly expecting a bodypile on me today, although in retrospect, maybe I should have. Nor have I been aware of such a strategy before (I have played several mafia games on here but that's it, and come to think of it, did any of them even HAVE a cop? :derp:)

Anyway, even if I had been aware of such a strategy, I'd probably lean more towards just not saying anything about it unless it actually looked like I was going to die, on the offchance scum would pick up on the breadcrumb and NK me. It's not like, short of a dayvig from nowhere, I would actually die without seeing it coming in time to go "btw kilga is very definitely town."

It didn't help that there wasn't anything on D1 to give me a good reason to say he's probably town, either.

Also, I did this with so much time remaining so that there'd be time to actually let people USE said information I've revealed to help scumhunt, assuming they believed me. I highly doubted I could turn my wagon around otherwise anyway.
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #284 on: September 13, 2010, 09:11:49 PM »
EBWOP:About my second paragraph, just realized I could also be NK'd without seeing it coming so... yeah. Although in this situation (before my claim, at least) I definitely wasn't worried about that happening. A good thing about people not thinking you're town is scum is less likely to NK you. Otherwise I'd probably have been NK'd in SA Mafia, where I waffled between all the scum and scum!Pesco thought I was a cop :V
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #285 on: September 13, 2010, 09:47:54 PM »
wait. did you claim you actual rolename? if not, do so. If you are worried about doing that, ask Sakana or Serp.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #286 on: September 13, 2010, 11:01:00 PM »
VOTE COUNT

NeoSerela ( 3.5 ): Nobu, Affinity, Kilgamayan, UncertainKitten
Nobu ( 1 ): NeoSerela, Kilgamayan
Nat Tea/Choja ( 1 ): Bardiche
Chaore ( 1 ): Nat Tea
Polaris ( 1 ): Kefit
Bardiche ( 1 ): Chaore
Kilgamayan ( 0 ): Affinity

No vote:  UncertainKitten, Polaris

With 10 votes in play, 6 are required to hammer.  There are about 31 and a half hours left in the day.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2010, 11:19:00 PM by Serpentarius »
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #287 on: September 13, 2010, 11:01:26 PM »
I'm here. Gonna try to find something so that I don't have to make another wonderfully low-content post, but I have a feeling that that's what the next post is going to be regardless. >_>

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #288 on: September 13, 2010, 11:02:10 PM »
Please don't excuse future posts, Polaris. It's not good form. Do your best without a cute safety net of qualifiers.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #289 on: September 14, 2010, 02:25:14 AM »
wait. did you claim you actual rolename? if not, do so. If you are worried about doing that, ask Sakana or Serp.
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I'll try to get to that reread in a minute, since if I don't then it won't come for about 16 hours when I get home from school tomorrow, which would be yeah.
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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #290 on: September 14, 2010, 02:27:05 AM »
Hmm.

Half credit.

You at least got village right. Sheriff is odd, but not necessarily completely out there. I was expecting Village Seer.

Not willing to lynch you at this time. I should probably do my own reread either tonight or tomorrow. More likely tomorrow cause I'm finding myself kinda irritable right now.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #291 on: September 14, 2010, 04:37:57 AM »
I'm not sure how much I believe the claim. But I'm not sure I disbelieve it to the point where I'd be willing to keep my vote there...so.

##Unvote: NeoSerela
##Vote: Choja


Switching up to next-highest preferred case. Beginning of rumblings here, agreeing largely with Bard's case here, demonstrably not a fan of his lone post today here, a response which contains an important question that is still unanswered. I'm not really thinking Chaore's a great vote target right now anyway, and especially not for the reasons Choja/Nat Tea has provided: Chaore has a very unique set of playstyle and scumtell opinions and simply being contrarian is not scummy when you're able to argue your positions properly.

However, I will say this, because I'm pretty sure I'm toast tonight regardless of what happens and I believe it's important town knows about this. I was told my role failed last night. Given what it is, I do not believe there is a risk of inherent failure in it, which highly suggests roleblockage to me. And now I have someone I'm highly suspicious of claim to have taken a night action targeting me, in a game proven to contain vanillas (important because more vanillas = fewer night actions = higher chance Occam's Razor applies). So...yeah. Still very leery in that direction.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #292 on: September 14, 2010, 06:12:20 AM »
VOTE COUNT

NeoSerela ( 2.5 ): Nobu, Affinity, Kilgamayan, UncertainKitten
Nobu ( 1 ): NeoSerela, Kilgamayan
Nat Tea/Choja ( 2 ): Bardiche, Kilgamayan
Chaore ( 1 ): Nat Tea
Polaris ( 1 ): Kefit
Bardiche ( 1 ): Chaore
Kilgamayan ( 0 ): Affinity

No vote:  UncertainKitten, Polaris

With 10 votes in play, 6 are required to hammer.  There are about 24 hours left in the day.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #293 on: September 14, 2010, 08:15:32 AM »
Really? Nothing from anyway? Bah.

Before I go to bed, while it's on my mind, if you stuck a gun to my head and asked me if I believed the claim...I would say no.

But, as the circumstances are vastly different from that hypothetical, well, you see where my vote is now.
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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #294 on: September 14, 2010, 08:16:39 AM »
*Nothing from anyone
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Affinity

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #295 on: September 14, 2010, 04:33:07 PM »
@Serela: Why didn't you investigate Nobu instead?  And if you agreed with my reasons for suspecting Kilga enough to mention it, then why would you approach me so vehemently early in the day as possible scum?

I'm not willing to believe Serela's claim.  His responses to Bardiche's questions don't really seem satisfactory, and I simply don't see his thought processes very clearly in role-claiming this early, whether it be in on D1 or D2. "Sheriff" sort of goes with "lieutenant", but other than that, not very sure.  It seems more like a interrupted cadence scum would give than town.  Would rather lynch him today for the reasons already stated and glean some concrete flips than nervously deal with possibilities later in the game for now.  Everything except his roleclaim points to him being scum.

I'm also rather bewildered that Kilga would reveal that he had a role so easily; since there was always the chance that Serela, if he was a cop, could have been an insane one.  Seems rash to think that scum would automatically discount that possibility with a Kilga NK tonight, though it could be understandable too.  An explanation would be nice.

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Regarding Kefit: On quick reread, Kefit's arbitary case on Polaris doesn't look so good here.  Keeps his options open by saying that he's willing to vote for three people, and does not explain as to why his Polaris case seems any better than the Nat Tea or the Nobu cases even though they are so similar and even though the Nat Tea case has more points to it (and more convincing and complete in general anyway). 

Basically, his case is an explanation on Bard's opinion on Polaris too, but with a tacked on conclusion that he's 'not really derptown' without explaining why.  Pretending to have an original case and not explaining why it's more convincing to similar cases is active lurking in my opinion and so I'm quite weary of him.

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I'm okay with lynching Polaris at the moment for the sole reason that he's not giving us anything to work with.  He did not commit to anything on D1, and if he does not commit to anything on D2, it's impossible to pin anything on him by bandwagon analysis, and he has to be eliminated before lategame before he becomes a liability.  As for Nat Tea... he does seem to have stances (albeit weak ones), and so he's already slightly better, and so I'm willing to give him a newbie pass for another day to see what he can do.  His conduct does not seem as malignant as Serela's or possibly Kefit's, at any rate, even though it can be said to be scummy, and thus he's the lowest in my lynching order out of the four.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #296 on: September 14, 2010, 04:52:14 PM »
I don't mind so much revealing that I have a role because the nature of the setup (as Sakana explained it throughout the sign-up process) suggests there are plenty to be had. I would venture a guess that there are probably more roles than vanillas, but I guess I could be wrong.

More importantly, I did not want to kick the bucket without letting town know that there was most likely a roleblocker afoot, doubly so for it very possibly being the guy that has claimed cop. Assuming Serela is town, scum will know he's a sane cop (or possibly naive I guess but MotK has never done Naive/Paranoid outside of a Dethy setting iirc), and he's publicly fingered me as innocent, so we're both going to be very tough mislynches. However, since they apparently have a roleblocker, they can shut Serela down without killing him, leaving them free to kill me (because, honestly and with full blown inflated ego, if you were scum and had a vacuum choice between myself and Serela, who would you NK?), and I rather expect any docs in this game to be covering him instead of me given the claims that are on the table.

Or they could kill someone else entirely, but, uh.

I don't really want to explain any further than that. I spent a good 30 minutes going back and forth on what exactly I thought of the situation before I made my first post regarding it, and I've still sorta been going back and forth ever since. What I've put on the table, I feel is the maximum town benefit I can provide given my situation. Talking much more (especially about my role) will tell things I think scum are going to find more valuable than town.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #297 on: September 14, 2010, 07:00:02 PM »
...educational failings now behind me, it seems I missed a bit going down. Unfortunately I'm having to run out the door for class again but I've got a good question I want out.

KIlga, your switch to Choja is actually kind of interesting, given it implies you've shut your Nobu Case down in favor of Bard's, any reason why? I didn't see one in the Neo switch.

Affinity, Can you do me one favor and stop using 'weary'? If you mean we put you on edge, that would be 'wary'. Thanks.

Post again after class, sorry. I thought I'd have more time than before since I'm out for less hours. Doesn't seem to be the case.

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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #298 on: September 14, 2010, 07:00:55 PM »
Sorry, still haven't caught up. I overslept today. I'll look at Choja and Chaore at some point either before or after dinner. Preferably before but I have things to catch up with still.


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Re: Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin - D2
« Reply #299 on: September 14, 2010, 07:09:05 PM »
Chaore: I've changed my mind on Nobu for now because he went out and made a good, solid case instead of wallowing in the muck and doing nothing but defend himself. Yes, the case was on the eventual cop claim, but it was a good case nonetheless, and I have far from ruled out the possibility of ScumSerela even with the claim.

Choja, meanwhile, has still done nothing particularly good-looking or useful, and his case on you is incredibly lackluster. Very little effort appears to have been put into it, and there are parts of it that downright don't make sense, like citing how he had been suspicious of you in the past as a reason to vote for you even though he had never explained why he was suspicious of you. He has made no effort to try and sell it since then, either.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"