Mmmkay.
I don't begrudge Affinity's general sentiment against me, because I'm not too terribly happy with my Day 1 myself (hopefully this offers additional explanation to any defensive tone my phonepost had; I came into today expecting people to be unhappy with me). There are a couple of things I take umbrage with, however.
- I don't like his harping on the whole ED1 thing. I don't care if it's ED1 or LD1, if I see something that I feel is ill-intended gotcha-gaming, I'm going to call it out. I saw it the huh what post that I attacked so much.
- huh what asked what he could have done to make me think he was scum less, I answered. Simple as that. That my answer happened to coincide with what other people had been ragging on him for is not something I see as particularly damning, given the incredibly broad nature of the answer. "Form solid opinions and make a good case or two" is how pretty much anyone can get me off their back on Day 1, and it can certainly work on following days, too. (It would be a good place for Nobu and Choja to start, for example.)
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I also might as well post my entire thought process on UK pre-Zakflip, for all that it is worth now.
I went back and looked at her ED1 posting, and yes, there was a bunch of fluff posting, but looking at it on the whole, it felt far more tongue-in-cheek than ill-intended. Her whole approach to ED1 was excited to the point of being over-the-top. There was just so much of it and it was in such a cheerful tone that I can't see it as any sort of attempt at active lurking. It just looks like having fun with the day.
This post is just one instance of what I'm talking about.
I do also remember someone (Bard maybe) of chalking up her initial huh what vote to gut, and while gut was cited, yes, she also cited a couple of circumstances surrounding Prody. It was hardly a "I have nothing but a hunch but it's a pretty good hunch" vote.
As I said, the problem I did have with her, in reflection, was with Zakeri; specifically, the instances where I felt she was making demands of him that seemed purely designed to make him look bad, rather than actually further her case against him. The first was trying to goad him into a vote, claiming he was too scared to vote her. He was on record, however, as still catching up with the game, and I feel it's bad form to demand someone vote when they're clearly not in a position to make an informed decision (such as not having had time to read part of the topic yet). The second was when he cited deadline concerns as a reason for not going back and re-grabbing every link she wanted him to, and she tossed this aside as "can't back up his case". There were less than two hours to deadline when he posted this concern, and I felt that the looming deadline was a fair reason for him to not take even more time to go back and grab a ton of links and slap explanations on each of them in order to cast a vote that wasn't going to matter anyway because UK was in no danger of a lynch at that point. In before someone points out UK was willing to move to Zakeri despit it being really late in the day, response is that he made it obvious he was willing to lynch her, she made it obvious she was willing to lynch him, casting a late-day vote on a person that isn't going to get lynched is done solely to demonstrate that you'd be willing to lynch them and they had both done that just via their words. I ask if his net day accomplishment would have been any different had he made a stopover on UK before finally landing on huh what.
But who knows? After seeing his flip, it seems likely he was just bullshitting up a storm in an effort to stall. So, well, yeah.
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Speaking of UK, she has other things that need responding!
- I did actually take into account Nobu's low posting capacity in the post where I voted him, though it was sort of in a backhanded way so I can see why it would have been missed.
Even if this was due to outside circumstances, it still means there's nothing I can point at and go "well, this was pretty good".
Probably should have said "even though" instead of "even if", but hopefully the intent of the statement is clear enough. It is a shame that Nobu had/has limited game access, but it means that he has nothing in Day 1 that makes him look more town. I obviously can't just say "well I guess if he had been here he would have produced a bunch of townie-seeming content so I'll let him slide". As a result, all I
can see of Nobu's Day 1 is a suspect huh what vote and no other meaningful contribution, because, for whatever reason, that's all that's there.
- The series of events I disagreed with huh what about can be found here. I'll quote all the relevant stuff so it's easier to see the sequence.
@ Kilga: Er, why was the argument that big of a deal? I felt it was mildly hypocritical of Nobu to say that he didn't see how discussion could come from jokeposts, then make a bunch of jokeposts himself. I suppose I could have stopped dragging it on when he said "because it's better than lurking?", but I don't see how what I did was actually scummy as much as just kinda unnessecary.
HW: If by "a bunch of jokeposts" you mean "one jokepost", then, uh, okay. They also came before he questioned the usefulness of jokeposting but that's probably just a semantics argument.
Leaving vote on huh what, his response to my vote for him seemed to detail events that, from my point of view, were not the events that actually happened.
You can go back and
read the initial chain of Nobu/huh what events for yourself to see which interpretation you feel is more accurate, but I think it's pretty obvious that Nobu's posts were actually more serious after he said he didn't see how discussion could come from jokeposts, not less (as "then make a bunch of jokeposts" seems to suggest).
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Largely in Bard's camp for his Choja/Nat Tea case, I looked at his links and found myself agreeing with his conclusions. Voting for Serela I'm not as big on as I was yesterday - this can be seen telegraphed in my pick on Nobu and Choja/Nat Tea and NOT him in my day-opening post - because his D1 vote was on the guy I now suspect the most and not the mislynch. Still possible he's scum, I guess, but ScumSerela suggests TownNobu based on how the trains worked out, and I don't agree with that sentiment right now.
