Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN

[Affinity]

Well, the reason why I'm asking you about what you think about UK's jump on Serela is because she did the same thing Nobu did; jumping on bandwagons for next to no reason at all other than what other people had said before.  Since you attacked Nobu so strongly for that, I want to ask you why you think UK's jump wasn't worthy of your attention(not that I have anything against either).

As for the last sentence in your post, gosh, I guess you're right.  I guess what I meant was that he was focusing on Kilga and others solely because of what they said against you and nothing else.  I'm looking at the Nobu wagon more because of how they are defending you for odd, unspoken reasons and their general scumhunting directions.

As for the other points, I'll keep it for later, but most of the responses are satisfactory.  However, that sudden swing to Serela due to my post seems rather strange though; it seems to reaffirm that you aren't looking at those on Nobu's wagon very hard even though you could have.   

I disagree with Kilga's insistence on early day one nonsense.  Going for tone of voice and for something that cannot discernibly show any scum intent (to make Nobu more suspicious?) seems very weird to me.

[UncertainJakutten]

What question HW? And Serela hasn't impressed me as town. I see no reason to unvote him.

Am I missing anything else here?


Cut by Affinity: What do you mean by the last point?

[Kilgamayan]

- I would have figured the smiley would have given away that he was asking because he was genuinely not in the know. Nobu is the kind of person that, if he doesn't understand one method to accomplish something because he has another one at his disposal that he likes more, would explain the second method to everyone to get it out on the table. This also tells me that he was making that statement out of genuine uncertainty.

- You instigated more nonsense (or at least attempted to) with "Maybe this post is one of the times you're wrong. :V"

- I see scummy intent in asking trap questions, like yours, because trap questions are designed to make the responder look bad. The nonsense goading just makes it look worse. Voting or not voting is irrelevant to such things, really.

[WHMZakeri]

On page five now. Had a rough and long day today.

##Unvote: Kilgamayan He's not the droid I'm looking for.

So far, UK is my biggest pursuit. Active Lurking, Admiting to Active lurking in post 71, General Suspicions thrown at anyone who complains in her direction, The long argument with Bard that I felt the need to skip over. The half explained gutvote on huhwhat. Much of this can be attributed to UK being UK, but it's hard for me at this point is see her completely clean of scum intent.

Chaore's 115 throws me for a loop, since it looks like little analysis went into the post itself. It might be just the way it read to me, but it doesn't feel very "Convictiony" to me.

I have trouble seeing where scum intent  comes into play when it comes to Huhwhat. His posts read to me as being somewhat careless. Doesn't mean he's not scum, but if he is and gets lynched for it, I wouldn't blame him for griping about it aftergame.

Don't have a strong read on Nobu yet, and I'm not paying any attention to lurkers right now. Current bandwagons are okay choices, but not my choices right now. I'll keep reading. For now my strongest scum read is UK, for what it's worth on day one.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@ Affinity: My attack on Nobu isn't just because he was going by what another person said, it's because I felt he was trying to hide that fact with an awkward complaint about something else I did so it could look like he was contributing to the case and therefore posting content.

If you want me to take a more indepth look at the people on the Nobu wagon, I suppose I could do that. I'm not going to deny I find it weird that they're defending me, anyway, but I may be somewhat biased because of how poorly I feel about Nobu.

@ UK: The one you just answered. And yeah ok.

@ Kilga: Well uh, I don't exactly know anybody here well enough to understand the tone of their posts perfectly well every time, so I can't be expected figure out somebody's tone based on who they are. I still hold that my interpretation of his post was off, I don't really know what I can say beyond that.

I don't feel that was really an attempt to cause it because it was not particularily something that warranted a response, but... eh.

I still don't see why I'm being voted over this. Yes, it wasn't the best thing I could have done regardless, but why is it so important compared to everything that's been done over the past few pages, ie the actual discussion? In all honesty I don't really like the way you're going about your case at all, it feels like you're pursuing me over something small that I can't possibly defend myself against because my only possible defense is my word that it wasn't done with poor intentions, which allows you to keep your vote on me and look like you're pressuring me. Arghhh.

[UncertainJakutten]

Got a vote Zakeri?

I know! Let's trade!!

##unvote, Vote Zakeri

Scared to vote me? Wondering if starting a wagon on me'll get you caught? C'mon .

Also, lol at your case.

One: Post 71 is being misrepresented.
Two: Prove it with links. Cause...let's see...Prody voted me and I thought he was town...and...um...I don't recall anyone else attacking/complaining that I've suspected? Since...I've suspected Serela and Huh What? And...um...actually think Bard is town? And...um...are you even reading this game or just skimming to see who you can accuse?
Three: And...that makes me scum how?
Four: Um...you mean the fully explained vote at this point, since now I get what bugged me?
Five: So, essentially, I could be being myself, but just cause you said so you want me to be scum...and then you fail to vote me?

That's pretty rich Zakeri. Pretty rich .

And the rest of your post is eggos. Thank you Zak, I needed some direction. Zak is scum guys.

[Bardiche]

Serela is still lurking hardcore just like the others, I see. So there's little reason to keep voting them. Passing through D1 by lurking always makes me wish I had multiple votes to place on people but what can you do.

##UNVOTE

That said, took a look at the soup du jour and I can't say I'm against it. Day's running out, and I can't say I've much confidence in anything else at this moment. Yeah, Huh What looks good for a D1 case.

##VOTE: Huh What

Defence against allegiations has been uninspiring and unmotivated. No attempt to do much beside defending self. No active push on Nobu as a Not Me Over Me wagon, just general.. no, not really inspired by the defence against the allegiations which aren't too far-fetched as far as I'm concerned. Kilga's right about the weird question asked, and I'm not too fond of this post in particular. I don't like jokevote stages, voting on who I think is scummiest at any point in game is how I roll and it's just weird to be asking if we aren't taking Kilga too serious while saying his own jokevote is as good a place as any. Crap Reasoning is better than No Reasoning, etc.

Vote on Chaore because he was extending jokevote phase? While accusing me of taking Kilga too serious in my attempt to get rid of jokevote phase? Uh, okay, sign me up for your lynch.

Uninspiring defences as these also don't help; if you're under fire, defend yourself and give people an alternative. Don't just turtle into your defence and point at lurkers in the hopes everyone'll go LAL. (admittedly, I got stuck on Serela for a moment there but eh)


Not too happy with the lurkers still. Serela continues to provide nothing at all and I hope this trend doesn't continue into D2.


I made a mention earlier that Kefit's case on Huh What is kind of weak but in review I need to take that comment back. It's a pretty good avenue to pursue and on rereading Huh What has been completely uninspiring and waffling.


Ninja'd with OMGUS. Lol.

[UncertainJakutten]

Ooh, buzzwords from Bardiche. Did you even read the post or just assumed I was vengefully voting? Secondly, is "OMGUS" precisely scummy? And if so, explain how.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Uninspiring defences as these also don't help; if you're under fire, defend yourself and give people an alternative. Don't just turtle into your defence and point at lurkers in the hopes everyone'll go LAL. (admittedly, I got stuck on Serela for a moment there but eh)

Uh, that wasn't really intended as a defensive post so much as that I wanted Zakeri to post after seeing nothing from him all day. I wasn't trying to direct votes to him at all, not sure why you're saying that.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Oh also. Would like to see some examples of me waffling too since you accused me of that.

[UncertainJakutten]

Hey! Hey! HW! What do you think of Zak's post!

Or are you too busy playing with shields ?

[WHMZakeri]

Zak is scum guys.

This is the exact kind of distracting, Scum intent post I was talking about.

Voting you would do nothing except introduce yet another wagon that town is already having trouble deciding between a threeway. We should be wrapping up now, and picking someone to hammer - not continuing to raise more bandwagons. You vote on me is also as useless and serves nothing but to antagonize me.

Asking me to prove something with links is also a time waster because that would force me to go back, read though everything again, pick out everything I need to make a solid case against you, and post it just in time to have the mod foreclose the day. I also in that same post said I had to make progress in a rapidly moving goalpost that is the full reread, and challenging me on this right now is just a waste of my ability to make an informed decision.

[UncertainJakutten]

^Can't back up his case.

So, if you're SO CONCERNED about causing counterwagons...why...aren't you voting again? Do you think it's protown to be not voting at the end of the day?

Don't make me laugh.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Hey! Hey! HW! What do you think of Zak's post!

Or are you too busy playing with shields ?

I think it's silly. I don't think Zakeri is scum because of it, though.

I'm not "hiding behind shields" at this point since I'm already dead unless Affinity changes his vote to Nobu for some reason, but he's offline. I'm not really defending myself against Bard's accusations of waffling, though I don't understand where I did, which is why I'm curious why he's saying I was.

[Bardiche]

Uh, that wasn't really intended as a defensive post so much as that I wanted Zakeri to post after seeing nothing from him all day. I wasn't trying to direct votes to him at all, not sure why you're saying that.

Breaking off in mid-defence to go "Hey where's Zakeri he's quiet!" and you repeat this song and dance later.

General uninspiring defence is waffly to me. It's a whole lot of words repeating the same thing like a divine chant and it's not really dispelling anything nor is it giving anything to the other players. You've had quite a few hours, and in all this time you've only concerned yourself with defending yourself and a rather uninspiring vote against Nobu with no real forte behind it.

Town should have some more gusto and get cracking on the scum hunting which I just don't see you do at all this day. It's all defence defence defence hey where's lurker x defence defence hey where's lurker x defence defence with some "zomg nobu's a little bad!" mixed in to come up with something that just doesn't cut it for a D1.

I'll grant you that it's not easy to defend against the charge Kilga put forth, but c'mon, you could've at least made some more effort, especially because you were being voted, to find scum and point us in the right direction. (because as town, you are always assured that we are on the wrong person)

[UncertainJakutten]

Well, I was more hoping you'd get on the attack after being called out for pure defense. Even if you don't necessarily agree with me ignoring this new development isn't cool!

But, I should probably elaborate on WHY Zak's terrible case makes him scum. Essentially, I think he's avoiding the wagons for a reason. It'll force a choice he might not want to make before deadline. So, he's introducing a case now that's CLEARLY not well thought out, but looks good on paper if you don't fact check him. The carelessness is, at the least, anti town. Combine that with the circumstances and I'm led to believe he's trying to stir something up.

Further, he spends the rest of the post waffling, and even waffles on me, his "strongest scum read". When I call him on it, he counters it by claiming that he "doesn't have time" to actually make his case presentable, which further implies he's hoping to sail it past without committing to anything.

Cut by Bardiche not answering my question. Gonna get on that ?

[Polaris]

COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL BARE-BONES VOTE COUNT

huh what ( 5 ): Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit, Affinity, Bardiche
NeoSerela ( 1 ): Prody
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela
Zakeri ( 1 ): UncertainKitten

Not Voting: Choja, Polaris, Zakeri
Extension: UncertainKitten, huh what, NeoSerela, Polaris

huh what is at L-2!

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to hammer.  About 2 and a half hours are left in the day.

Removed all that excess italics padding because ugh there were a ton of people that had no votes on them anymore. Sakana's time zone does not really help with the whole votecount business, which gets really bothersome. ;_;

I'm going to try and look at the current people who have votes on them and choose between the four, since there's no point in trying to start a new wagon at this point.

[UncertainJakutten]

* UncertainKitten sighs.

Going to state I'm probably going to vote HW over Nobu before I go to bed due to approaching deadline. I have a fairly neutral read on Nobu. I still have slight town on HW but admittedly want him to post more thoughts, and his wagon is kinda more likely to come to fruition.

Course, we COULD all be cool and vote Zak-scum. That'd be AWESOME!

[Polaris]

also anyone else support an extension? I think it would be useful at this point :ohdear:

[UncertainJakutten]

Extensions would be BETTER because then you all can read Zak-scum, Zak can try to fabricate his evidence, and we can lynch properly .

Yes, I'm that certain. I'm pretty deadly serious about this.

[Bardiche]

also anyone else support an extension? I think it would be useful at this point :ohdear:

Nah, you've got enough time to evaluate the cases and decide where you want to vote. There's enough reasons to vote a bunch of people, just determine which you find most pressing to vote for.

[UncertainJakutten]

Bard, is there a particular reason you aren't answering? It's kinda buggan me...

[Nat Tea]

##Vote Extension

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Well, I was more hoping you'd get on the attack after being called out for pure defense. Even if you don't necessarily agree with me ignoring this new development isn't cool!

Apologies if I'm not really being cooperative atm, but my brain is kind of mush right now (a slight headache isn't helping), and I'm dead in two hours (and probably already considered so, I am by myself anyway) so asdfghjkl. As far as I'm aware the words of dead vanila townies aren't particularily going to make much of an impact later in the game, especially on D1, so I'm not particularily motivated either. But uh.

If you really want to know that badly, I feel Zakeri's case comes across as hastily-prepared and generally silly, but I don't feel it's actually scummy. What I feel could be scummy is him not voting the person his case is on because it wouldn't make a difference yet and instead not changing his vote to reflect who he thinks is scum, but you already pointed that out. I don't really have anything to add to the case, actually.

I still have slight town on HW but admittedly want him to post more thoughts, and his wagon is kinda more likely to come to fruition.

Aside from that I don't really have anything else to say at all, except that I don't like how Kilga pressured me but that's probably just a gut and that counts for very little. Still, it feels like he was forcing a really odd case that was awkward to defend against without posting opinions on anybody else. Actually, has he even said anything negative about people other than me? I don't think he has. He's just been attacking me all day without going after anybody else.

I'm actually not sold on my Nobu case anymore, but if he does turn out to be scum then Affinity would probably make a decent second choice because he attacked the people on the Nobu wagon. I don't really blame him for that, though, because of how ridiculous Serela is.

##Unvote, ##Vote Kilgamayan to reflect my opinion in the final votecount.

@ Polly: We still have four votes for an extension right now, fwiw. You, me, UK and Serela.
Oh hey now Choja did too.

[WHMZakeri]

It'll force a choice he might not want to make before deadline.

You mean like a choice based on outdated information? Or information I don't have yet?

I'm reading Scum intent from UK, and anti-town intent from Chaore. I gave waffles out on the three bandwagons because I didn't have a strong opinion of any of them yet. I also don't recall waffling when I was talking about you. Especially after you decide to antagonize me and distract me from making those choices you accuse me of trying to avoid.

Since you're pushing me, I will note that Nobu's posts seem to amount to little besides bandwagoning without analysis, which in turn gives me a better impression on Serela for catching that in post 148. I also notice a lot of excuses being made by Nobu that come of as nothing more than using "Stop poking me, I'm completely helpless" as a defense for why Nobu isn't contributing.

I'm still uncertain of Huhwhat, but he posts a lot, and there's much content to be had in those defenses. In addition, he's the longest running bandwagon, and a lynch on him will reveal quite a lot of information on alignments for use of day 2. For merit of catching scum however, I'd rather lynch Nobu.

##Vote: Nobu

And don't worry, UK, there will be a case on you tomorrow unless alignment flips strongly suggestion you're town.

Cut: Oh right, I forgot about extensions

##Extention

[WHMZakeri]

Besides, you know me. If I really wanted to avoid making a decision, I would have just not bothered starting my reread until night came.

[UncertainJakutten]

Oh good Zakeri . I look forward to shattering it .

May I extract another promise from you? If we get an extension, will you support your case?

[Prody]

Ugh, so a reading mistake somehow causes me to be of a very low standard.

Now I know why I never play Mafia. The drama is pretty traumatizing for me.

[UncertainJakutten]

Meh...I'm sorry I was so harsh on you but quoting your role PM is...ah...kinda silly. Coupled with your reading mistake, it was hard to not be at least a little harsh.

Regardless, there were nicer ways to address the situation, so I do owe you an apology.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Prody: Do you still prefer Serela to any of the current wagons?