Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN

[UncertainJakutten]

@Serela: Why is Nobu's LAL threat worse than mine or Bard's vote in that direction?

@Choja: What are you trying to say? There are words, but they do not make sense.

@Polaris: Solid opinions. They're good to have. As hypocritical as it is, saying 'well, this isn't good but it's D1 so aww, ok.' isn't the best way to go about things.

I'll admit I've decided the speed of the HW wagon being unopposed is part of the reason I unvoted him rather than just being all "Hey, that's not good, but D1".

The Nobu wagon seems weird, I probably missed something but could everyone explain their vote on it again with a couple sentences and citing links for the behavior you find scummy?

[Affinity]

That was a little... sudden, I'm sorry.  Well, answering my prod, and I shall be rereading now.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

This is just gonna be restating what I already said, but ok. I don't like his jump on me here, it feels like he added that incorrect accusation of hypocrisy to pad out his vote so it wouldn't just look like he's voting for the same reason Kilga did, but fails to explain why what I did actually looks bad, so it's more like attempting to snag me on a small wording-ish error which shouldn't have actually made me look scummy. I believe he was attempting an easy jump on a townie wagon while under the guise of contributing something to it, when said contribution was minimal. Additionally, he has not really contributed anything else aside from comments on Serela's and Prody's wagons, which really didn't add anything new to the table.

[Serela]

@Serela: Why is Nobu's LAL threat worse than mine or Bard's vote in that direction?

Because of the huhwhat wagon jump and the two people he's shown any desire to vote are the wagons that aren't him or lolprody. Other then that, he also seems pretty low-content to me.

Can't wait to see Affinity's post, and the one I'm assuming Choja will have soon.

[UncertainJakutten]

@HW: I've clearly been skimming too much. I don't see how Nobu's accusation is necessarily wrong? What makes Kilga's joke votes different from Chaore's so that Zak is being too serious but your vote on Chaore is justified?

I think I see one explanation but I want to see you explain it. If you already have, link me to said post. Sorry about missing this earlier.

@Serela: Why is it bad that he wants to vote people from the other two wagons? Assumably they have wagons on them for a reason.

Also, going to explain this now. Even if I ask a question, I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, I just want to see your thought process. Of course, I don't necessarily agree either.

[Nat Tea]

@Choja: What are you trying to say? There are words, but they do not make sense.

What I'm trying to say is that he looks suspicious because his post tiptoes around most of the points he responds to.

His response to you admits it as an excuse of "gut" when Prody hasn't done much besides vote you, which could probably be a "gut" vote as well, so that makes everything with Prody strange, especially with his "oh, it doesn't really matter if I get lynched" business.

The Kilga and Nobu arguement was pretty much about Nobu being silly on random votes. Not much here.

Oh, who am I kidding, I suck at D1. I can't make mountains out of anthills.

[UncertainJakutten]

So, what does that have to do with the "accident" last time you were in a game with HW or whatever you said?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@HW: I've clearly been skimming too much. I don't see how Nobu's accusation is necessarily wrong? What makes Kilga's joke votes different from Chaore's so that Zak is being too serious but your vote on Chaore is justified?

As far as I can tell, Zak was voting Kilga because provided the jokevotes were serious, they would result in an incredibly awkward voting pattern. However, I believed the vote on Kilga was derpy because Kilga's votes were during the RVS and probably not to be taken seriously. I was not discouraging Zakeri from making serious posts, just saying that I thought it was odd that he was voting somebody over jokevotes while acting as if their votes were serious. My vote on Chaore was not because I was taking a jokevote of his seriously like Zakeri was, but rather because I believed it was unnessecary for him to drag out non-srs voting right as we were getting srs. So the two votes had different circumstances, and I don't see how it was hypocritical like Nobu stated.

[Nat Tea]

So, what does that have to do with the "accident" last time you were in a game with HW or whatever you said?

People would assume that HW would go after me because of it and that I would assume that he was probably scum for that reason, but I am assuming that he is scum not because of that accident, but because I am seeing that his posts are very wishywashy. That is all I am trying to clear up with that statement.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

People would assume that HW would go after me because of it and that I would assume that he was probably scum for that reason, but I am assuming that he is scum not because of that accident, but because I am seeing that his posts are very wishywashy. That is all I am trying to clear up with that statement.

I... what? :s
I wouldn't go after somebody over an outside dispute unless it was a rvs jokevote. That would be silly, since it doesn't pertain to the game.

[UncertainJakutten]

Explanation seems adequate to me, HW.

Anyway, I get you now Choja. As he defends himself I feel he gets a lot less wishy washy. What do you think of his latest posts?

(And yeah, that was kinda silly to elaborate on from that angle, rather, that that wasn't the reason)

[Nat Tea]

Anyway, I get you now Choja. As he defends himself I feel he gets a lot less wishy washy. What do you think of his latest posts?

They are getting better (verifying what he said in crystal clear detail), but I still feel uncomfortable towards him. D2 will probably clear things up significantly when we actually have something concrete to discuss. Or it might not, if he gets NK'd.

I'm sorry if I'm playing very horribly, D1 is my "get chucked into the ocean and flail arms while sinking" moment.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@ Choja: Do you have an opinion on anybody other than me? :x Or a vote, for that matter.

[UncertainJakutten]

Seconding HWs request, but please don't list every player and say a nice thing about them. Just post about people you have some opinion on. Hell, I'd even be wary of posting any strong town reads.

[Bardiche]

Can we get a votecount with hours left?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm gonna take the liberty of doing this since I don't think either mod is online. Mainly since having a votecount around would be convenient for me atm.

May not be completely accurate or formatted perfectly since I'm really just editing the latest, but it gets the basic idea across.

VOTE COUNT

UncertainKitten ( 0 ): Chaore, Prody, Nobu, Kilgamayan
Prody ( 1 ): Bardiche, Polaris, huh what
huh what ( 3 ): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Zakeri, Bardiche
Bardiche ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
Chaore ( 0 ): huh what, Nobu
Polaris ( 0 ): Zakeri
Affinity ( 0 ): Chaore
Kefit ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
NeoSerela ( 3 ): Bardiche, Prody, UncertainKitten
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela

Not Voting: Choja, Affinity
Extension: UncertainKitten, huh what, NeoSerela, Polaris

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to hammer.  About 4 and a half hours are left in the day.


Wow, I did not realize that Serela still has 3 votes, and over a lurkerprod too apparently. What's with that?

[Nat Tea]

UK:
To be honest, I would say that you are a bit aggressive. Not like that would dictate you as scum, it's just that you get to the point faster.

Prody:
I don't know what to do with you posting the wincon or anything. It's under the tunafish's jurisdiction anyways.

I feel like I should be good to assume that Bardiche and Kilgamayan may be town, but maybe I'm just walking into a trap favoring them.

However, I would like to say that Chaore and NeoSerela look a bit suspicious to me. Nobu is so-so to me.

With all the points I've given, I don't think I'm really trustworthy at this moment.

[Polaris]

Huh, what? I totally unvoted and my vote isn't being used at the moment :ohdear:

which is a big problem and I really do want to use it but I can't find anyone :ohdear:

[Affinity]

Regarding the huhwhat bandwagon, I disagree with huhwhat ploughing through the bandwagon on him for scum.; it indirectly implies that voting for him was a reason for them being scum, which is rather itchy to me.  It's defensive scumhunting, especially since he never really touched on people not on him. 

Also, in this post his 'mild suspicion' on Kefit itself seems to be rather throwaway, especially since it was so fixated on the 'third on the bandwagon is scum' which was not a main point of his case. 

Lastly, anything from this post (including the Nobu vote and the Kefit suspicion) seems to have no effect on his latter posts whatsoever; since he did not press Nobu (or anyone else) further when he replied to him until prompted , and did not do anything of note other than defending himself over and over again after his votepost.  It's not as if his case on Nobu is exactly slam-dunk, and he should have been building on his case and looking at other cases rather than bitterly reminiscing over who said what in early D1.   Thus, I'm quite okay with his lynch today, and quite weary of Serela and Chaore defending him (the earlier for no reason at all).

---

@huhwhat: What do you think of UK's 'bandwagon jump' on NeoSerela, if you think such jumps are inherently scummy?

##Vote: huhwhat

---

Anything else today seems quite insignificant, other than Prody's breaking of the rules and NeoSerela's rather strange disregard of all that has been said against him is awful.  Serela's analysis also consists of, uhh... a very bad case on Nobu, meaningless prods, and nothing else.  Second in line for me today. 

Chaore is bad because he specifically considers only those who went on huhwhat in here.  Although some reasoning came behind it later here, it did not consider huhwhat's later actions (the ones after early D1)

Lastly, votecounts need to be on far more.  At least 3 per page.

[Bardiche]

While I am working through what I missed inbetween visits, can people please call each other by usernames so people like me are not left guessing who is who? I get that Emiya Shirore is Chaore or something but for the sake of clarity, can you please refer to each other by usernames?

[Chaore]

Given my listing as Chaore in the first post and common referal to it, I'll change my name back to prevent confusion.

[Kilgamayan]

Chaore: Huh. Well, I gotta I thought huh what was bad for also contributing to what I felt was chaff while simultaneously criticizing Nobu for chaff (as well as instigating further goofing off and then turning around and asking why Nobu was goofing off), but I realized that huh what wasn't explicitly taking those stances himself despite my thinking they were the right stances to take at the time, so I guess it wasn't as hypocritical as I initially thought it was. It still feels like gotcha games to a degree (egging on nonsense and then criticizing it) but not with the same weight I thought it once held.

I wish you had properly explained your problem with my vote earlier in the day, but nothing to be done about that now.

Ugh, not a lot of time left to make a new choice. Give me a moment.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@ Affinity:

Nobu never really did anything after my accusation on him to either ease my worries or make him look worse to me. I don't know how I could really have continued pursuing him after that point.

I don't think my defense towards his vote mainly focused around what he said about the third person on a bandwagon as much as it just took me more :words: to convey my response to that part of his accusation.

I did not say that Kefit looked 'mildly suspicious', just that his vote on my wagon seemed worse than the others aside from Nobu's (which was at the end of my post). The 'mildly suspicious' part was about Prody, in response to what Kefit said about my vote on Prody.

As for comments on other cases? Uh, I dunno, the only case other than the ones on me and Nobu seems to be the one on Serela, and for the most part I haven't agreed with it, as it is a bit awkward how fast he got votes when all of them were lurker prods. Because of this, I was hesitant to go after him before he had actually posted something. Regarding what he just posted... yeah actually he doesn't make a lot of sense at all.

Serela, can you clarify your vote on Nobu once more? If I'm reading your post correctly, it's because he's only posting his opinions on wagons, which I'm... not really buying as a case. Admittably I have a hard time buying Serela as scum because I believe Nobu is worse and there them being scum at the same time would make absolutely no sense because of how Serela tied the wagons. I suppose he's a decent alternative, but I'm really just reading him as derptown as is, so.

Not sure why you're asking me about UK's jump on Serela. I really can't see what it has to do with what I've previously said at all. Mind explaining yourself better? :s
That said I think it's somewhat awkward to turn lurker-prodding votes into a wagon, and I'd like to know why she's still on him. Unless she explained that already and I missed it.

As for other people, uh... Chaore's defense of me looks really awkward and I don't know why he's doing it, but I can't entirely say he's parroting either since he apparently started his post before mine. Idk really. I don't have anything against UK, but I would like UK to answer my previous question. I want to see more solid opinions from Polaris and Choja too, Choja in particular has not actually explained his reasoning behind his opinions and is generally being incredibly awkward, while I cannot recall any solid statements Polaris has made at all.

Also, why are you attacking Chaore for only going after the people on my wagon when you're only going after the people on the Nobu wagon? You're not actually defending the person the wagon is on like Chaore seemed to be, but you're still mainly focusing on the people who are voting Nobu, so. :x

[Nobu]

I'm not trying to lurk, but I'm also not in the capacity to make good Mafia posts or properly defend myself from the bandwagon that's cropped up on me. In the middle of an Ohio trip and browsing through the mobile site on my blackberry while trying not being a douche by ignoring the driver. I apologize. Argh.

For being unable to provide more content than I have is largely because I've had no time thus far today. A lot of stuff has cropped up that I can't properly analyzed right now. If anyone has any direct queries to me, can you separate it from any WoTs and make it somewhat succinct? I'll try to answer them best I can.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Nobu: Do you have any reasons to still be on my wagon beyond "what Kilga said" and an incorrect accusation of hypocrisy?

Also, I'm a little interested why you were apparently so tempted to even up me and Serela just because of D1 LAL when you thought I didn't look any better at the same time.

[Nobu]

No, I don't have any other reasons since I haven't been able to process much since then. And I don't know about your claim of 'inaccurate' either. And what do you mean "so tempted to even me up"?

[Kilgamayan]

Actually, no, I've changed my mind. Not moving my vote.

The more I read over this sequence, the less I like it.

Law of averages. I'll be right sooner or later.

Maybe this post is one of the times you're wrong. :V

Also, uh. Is your vote on UK even serious? I can't tell.

Voting for a hole in a joke defense and for linking TVTropes, and you're asking me if its serious? :V

Also, I have yet to figure out how good, serious cases can come out of a bunch of random voting and goofing off.

Then why are you contributing to the randomvoting and goofing off :s

The nature of the final question there doesn't sit well with me at all, for two reasons.

- How did you expect Nobu to answer this? If it were in response to "I don't think good serious cases can't come out of a bunch of random voting and goofing off", I could understand where it's coming from, but that doesn't appear at all to be his intent. Presumably, if Nobu knew a better way to advance into srsbsns, he would have used that method already. Nobu instead appears to be saying that he simply doesn't know how it works, but since it apparently works eventually, he might as well go with the flow. The responsive question is asked in an accusatory tone that isn't necessary.
- How can you ask this when you instigated at least part of the goofing off in the second quoted post? Presumably his answer had to be at least partly "because you were as well".

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

And I don't know about your claim of 'inaccurate' either.

I went over that here. It's post #157.

And what do you mean "so tempted to even me up"?

Oh wait, nevermind about that. I forgot Serela's vote was still on me at the time.

Ninja'd by Kilga, gonna respond to that in a minute.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

The nature of the final question there doesn't sit well with me at all, for two reasons.

- How did you expect Nobu to answer this? If it were in response to "I don't think good serious cases can't come out of a bunch of random voting and goofing off", I could understand where it's coming from, but that doesn't appear at all to be his intent. Presumably, if Nobu knew a better way to advance into srsbsns, he would have used that method already. Nobu instead appears to be saying that he simply doesn't know how it works, but since it apparently works eventually, he might as well go with the flow. The responsive question is asked in an accusatory tone that isn't necessary.
- How can you ask this when you instigated at least part of the goofing off in the second quoted post? Presumably his answer had to be at least partly "because you were as well".

This might be an interpretation error, really. I figured that by saying "Also, I have yet to figure out how", he meant that he doesn't really agree they can. I know there have been multiple times I've worded things like that when meaning to say what I interpreted Nobu's post as (though different subjects obv), so. I didn't really think of it as if he was asking a question from a newbie pov. :x

How did I instigate it with that post? I did not consider "Voting for a hole in a joke defense and for linking TVTropes, and you're asking me if its serious?" to be goofing off if that's what you mean, just his original vote, and I don't think I pushed him into voting UK at all. The goofing off in "Then why are you contributing to the randomvoting and goofing off :s" was not aimed towards the post I had been responding to, just his original jokevote on UK.

Also, how does this exchange actually look scummy? I'm not going to deny it might have been unnessecary, but uh, where do you see scum intent in it? If I had used that as an excuse to vote him maybe, but my vote on Nobu has nothing to do with that exchange. I do not understand why you are making such a big deal over it.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also seriously, we only have 3 hours left and Zakeri hasn't said anything in ages. Where is he? :x