Good afternoon everyone, I am sorry that I am late again. Before I say who I think is likely to be scum I would like to address the case on myself.
(strangely ignoring Sailor Moon, whose vote was further back)
....I did not see anything wrong with Miss Moon's vote, so I saw no reason to mention it. I also didn't mention Mr. MacStew's for the same reason; it just would have been silly to bring them up in my opinion.
Shannon prodded me and Stone, but did not follow up at all on my responses.
I would have followed up if I had finished that post, but alas the day ended before I could. I wanted to get my vote for Gamzee out there as quickly as possible since there was still a chance that Miss Shoe could have been lynched instead when I was typing it. While I cannot prove that I was typing my post before Miss Marimi posted, if you look at the timestamps, I posted a little more than one minute after Miss Marimi. My post was a little over 200 words, and typing 60 words in one minute is quite fast. That is the only proof I can offer.
I am a slow typist and thinker in general, so I was not at all surprised that I was unable to get through two pages and post my thoughts on them before the deadline.
Furthermore, Shannon defends Shoe and says that her scumhunting is satisfactory and trying her best, but never explains why, which strikes me as cheerleading to gain town credit.
No one ever asked me what I liked, so I assumed it was self-explanatory. I apologize that this was unclear. When I was reading through her posts she looked genuinely interested in finding out more about peoples' alignments. That is, I felt like she was asking good questions, and her thoughts were coherent and easy to understand and respond to. She simply looked transparently town to me.
In the future, if something is unclear please do not be afraid to ask me to elaborate. I try to explain things as best I can, but when I think something is obvious I can forget to explain it throughly.
She votes Sandor at a critical moment where Gamzee and Shoe had 4 and 5 votes respectively, seemingly as some sort of distraction to town,
I do not scum hunt like you. It is very possible to lynch scum on D1, so I do not believe that the purpose of D1 is to simply form some bandwagons on anyone. My vote goes on who I think is most likely to be scum (unless it's quite clear that I won't be getting my top pick, in which case I pick whichever case I like more), and that person was Mr. Clegane. That is all there is to it.
Voting solely for majority seems a little weird, especially if you believe both to be town. Perhaps it's just how games are played here.
There is absolutely no reason NOT to have a majority. Again, Lady Moriya was benevolent in not
requiring the majority, but having an incomplete bandwagon hurts wagon analysis later in the game. While it is quite clear from my words that I preferred a Mr. Makara lynch over a Miss Shoe lynch, it is much easier to see that opinion in a vote count than in a wall of text. Put simply, since it was clear that my choice was not going to be lynched I had to choose the next best option: picking which of the cases I like more. My vote is a weapon that I cannot afford to waste. My vote is also a way to remain transparent, so that people can easily analyze what I am saying.
And at first, that seemed accidental. But there's just so many words, while she's saying so little. It's a bunch of useless padding, filled with cheerleading, smokescreens, fluff to make her posts look better, etc.
I am definitely wordy, and I apologize for that. However, I do not see that much fluff in my posts (beyond simple role-playing, but I try to keep that to a minimum). From my (obviously biased) perspective, my posts are full of opinions on people. If I am unsure of someone I make sure to question them so I can get a better read, but otherwise I thought I was quite clear. Are there any particular quotes (not posts, exact quotes please) that give you this impression because I do not understand where you are getting this impression from?
Okay, so upon rereading I think there is
at least one scum ON the Miss Shoe wagon and at least one OFF the Miss Shoe wagon AND the Mr. Makara wagon. The reasoning for the first is quite simple: she was the counterwagon to a scum wagon. It would be strange if scum did not push that wagon at all. The second requires a bit more explanation.
1.) The people on the Mr. Makara wagon look good to me. The only one that's somewhat shaky is Mr. Mason, but Mr. Makara's interactions with him make me think that he is on Lady Moriya's side. That is, it looked like Mr. Makara was trying to discredit him while he was arguing with Miss Shoe. Between that and the timing of his vote I do not think he is worth perusing. I was never bothered by Miss Moon's vote, and after Miss Miyamura explained her position I was not bothered by hers either (and this was before Mr. Makara flipped scum, she looks even less suspicious now).
2.) I doubt that ALL the people on the Miss Shoe wagon are scum. I still have very few issues with Mr. McClane's vote (in fact, just about all of my problems with him stem from him being on the wrong wagon, so I do not think he is worth pursuing today), and it....just "feels wrong" for lack of a better term, for all of them to be on one wagon. I suppose this feeling comes from the fact that I think scum would have tried to make a different counterwagon if it didn't look like Miss Shoe's was going to get any steam? I apologize that I can't pinpoint exactly where this gut feeling is coming from, but that is the best explanation I have right now.
3.) I find it inherently scummy to not be on one of the major wagons at the end of the day (with certain exceptions, such as not being there at the time). As I said above, a vote is also a way to be transparent. Even if you think both of the wagons are town, you must surely find one of them better than the other (whether that be for informational purposes, or whether you just find one person more likely to be scum than the other even if it's just by a small amount). Scum do not want their actions and opinions to be tracked easily, so I find it more likely that scum will be off both the wagons than town (these kinds of votes are usually referred to as "throwaway votes").
Okay, so looking at the wagons my top suspects are
Mr. Clegane, Mr. Meitzen and Mr. StuffMan.
Mr. Clegane I covered yesterday and my opinion of him has not changed. That is a
horrible reason to vote for someone, and his position on the wagon looks very suspect. Even after his explanation, it just looks like a bandwagon hop onto the scum counterwagon. Being abrasive is not a scum tell (especially not for this person who acts like this regardless of alignment), and trying to rationalize it like it is, is simply bad. Scum is more likely to join a counterwagon late in the day to try to prevent their buddy from being lynched. I believe they are also more likely to try to justify it with reasoning that makes little sense because A.) they have to make up reasons to vote for townies since they know they are not scum and B.) voting with no reason will make them stand out, and people are more likely to look at baseless votes than votes with bad reasoning (just compare Mr. Mason and Mr. Clegane).
Mr. StuffMan has done....absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. He spent all of D1 attacking Miss Marimi with....absolutely useless logic. I believe Miss Marimi said it best: it was just tunneling based on wordplay with no actual scum hunting. He also tried to undermine (the now confirmed townie) Mr. MacStew with bad reasoning. There was no reason to view the bold on the fake Miss Shoe vote as anything but aesthetics since Mr. MacStew had already said that he didn't like the Miss Shoe wagon. In other words, Mr. StuffMan's actions were basically active lurking, trying to call people scum for reasons that make no sense (since when was putting your vote on the person you thought was most likely to be scum a bad thing?), and trying to undermine a now confirmed townie. Scum is more likely to active lurk because it makes them look active without actually saying anything. If they do not say anything they cannot be held accountable for anything later, and they can change their opinion at the drop of a hat, so scum wants to post as little as possible. I already explained why voting on bad reasoning is bad, and scum want to undermine townies so that people will be less likely to listen to them.
Mr. Meitzen has also been active lurking, and I don't like that he posted when there was little time left in the day, but did not join either of the major wagons. It was quite clear that Miss Miyamura was not going to be lynched, so there was absolutely no reason to stay on her. That vote was also a RVS vote, which is absolutely meaningless. It's even more meaningless than staying off both wagons when you have at least made a decent case on someone! His post today has essentially been rehash and a
voteless ninja, bandwagon hop. I believe I have covered why I think these things are more likely to be done by scum.
I am also still suspicious of Miss McDowell, but I can't figure out why. So, I do not find her worth pursuing until I can figure that out.
I apologize for all the words, but there have been complaints that I am not clear enough on why I find things scummy. I....I do not believe I can get any clearer than this if I tried. If something is still unclear I will do my best to elaborate though.
##Vote Sandor Clegane
