Touhou RAGE Thread: Part 2

[Kcaltrain]

I'm bad at these games, but there's no excuse for this: i lost FIVE lives to PCB youmu...ON NORMAL! whoever said that stage 4 is harder than stage 5 in every touhou game was WRONG! GAH!!!! I now hate youmu in everything ever...

[Seian Verian]

I'm bad at these games, but there's no excuse for this: i lost FIVE lives to PCB youmu...ON NORMAL! whoever said that stage 4 is harder than stage 5 in every touhou game was WRONG! GAH!!!! I now hate youmu in everything ever...

I know how you feel... I once game overed on a practice run against her O_o; Granted, it was on Hard, but still... Youmu is horrible <.<; Shou is borrible, Orin is horrible... Sanae is horrible... Come to think of it, most stage 5 bosses are just absolutely nasty... ._.

EDIT: Speaking of Shou... Second nonspell, just barely avoid being hit by a laser... Wait, what the hell?! HOW THE HECK DID THAT KILL ME?! IT DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH ME! GAAAAHH!!!!

EDIT AGAIN: So, just for the heck of it, I went and tried Easy mode again... It was pathetic! I think that probably the only non-trivial parts before I reached Byakuren, (who still had a lot of fairly tough attacks) were Kogasa's final (...) and Shou's last two spells. And yet, Normal mode completely destroys me to the point of making me feel like my life is being drained away... What the hell...? I understand that Normal mode is supposed to be tougher than Easy mode, but by THIS amount?! That's... Seriously not right <.<; I mean... Come on...

[Sapz]

CAPTAIN MURASA's Lunatic non-cards. ARGH.

BAH, died to Shou's final card.

jasdkgkaasfl, I give up. Will continuespam through UFO when I'm not sleepy. >_<

[lmagus]

Mountain Of FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

It's NOT the easiest 1cc. I can do a perfect China fight on Hard easily, but I have to bomb most of Nitori's cards TWO times. Never captured anything except for Flash Flood.

Stage 4. Sucks.
Stage 5. Was cool until I died against Sanae with 5 power.
I've captured EVERY Sakuya's card on Hard. I don't remember capturing even one Sanae's card. And her nonspells suck just as much.

I guess you're right.

At first I thought MoF was the easiest Hard, but just cause I could get to stage 6... then I kept practicing it for a month and a half before I actually beat the game lol...

EoSD and PCB just feel so much easier than MoF.. I never capture any spellcards from Stage 4 on, but I can capture stuff from Prismrivers and Patchouli..

Alice and Meiling are MUCH easier than Nitori...

and EoSD and PCB don't have 95% clipping rate stages 1 and 2

[Arcengal]

Alice and Meiling are MUCH easier than Nitori...

Nitori has one hard card (midboss card) in a game where you have practically infinite bombs.

Alice has a mid-boss non-card that's stupidly hard and bulletfest spellcards in a game where bombs are the most precious thing after lives.

[?q]

Alice's midboss noncard isn't that hard...  And PCB gives lives away like candy starting around midway through Stage 3.

Also, I object to Nitori having one hard card, and particularly that it's her midboss card.

[Arcengal]

Also, I object to Nitori having one hard card, and particularly that it's her midboss card.

Currently 0/57 on Lunatic for the mid-card.

[Rikter]

GUAHHH!!! I MISSED THE LIFE MID BOSS YOUMU DROPPED....


ALSO WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST PCB IS THE EASIEST TOUHOU GAME?!

[nintendonut888]

GUAHHH!!! I MISSED THE LIFE MID BOSS YOUMU DROPPED....


ALSO WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST PCB IS THE EASIEST TOUHOU GAME?!

This reminds me of a particularly enraging moment of SoEW. I was trying to 1cc hard (without double tapping since I still didn't know it existed D:), was at Mima with decent resources, she fired her 1up...

AND IT FELL THROUGH ME.

This is because in SoEW points and such have to hit your hitbox instead of just your sprite, meaning it's entirely possible to miss an item despite touching it. Cue game over and raeg.

[?q]

I have like five replays of Sikieiki's Extra where if I didn't die to Reimu more than once I would nab the high score one sub-board over.

Needlessly to say, each time I've died to Reimu anywhere from three to six times.  Some of the deaths are just embarrassing.

[Seian Verian]

Okay, so I'm doing a long rant about UFO. Sorry, but... GAAH!

To begin with, in keeping with the theme of collecting troubles... UFOs... Oh god, the UFOs... I was trying to get UFOs, and I ended up colliding right into an enemy... One of those slow-moving orb things... Then it's also frustrating when you get a UFO and IT FLIES OFF! IT FREAKING FLIES OFF LEAVING NOTHING BEHIND AND RAAAAGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem* Anyway... Midbosses seem to be put precisely in places where you're going to have a UFO... Or two... Or even THREE flying around. I have no idea how many times I've been killed by midboss Nazrin or Kogasa because I WAS CHASING A UFO!!!! Seriously...

And now they're distracting me even when they're not on-screen ._. I was trying to do Kogasa's second card, but my thoughts were still on those annoying little UFOs... I probably could have dodged that bullet IF I HADN'T BEEN THINKING ABOUT THOSE STUPID IDIOTIC THINGS!!! (not saying that I don't just occasionally make stupid mistakes when not distracted, but in this particular instance...)

So anyway... Yeah. Honestly, the UFO system is annoying and seems to be deliberately built to be difficult at times. Unfortunately, the game is already tough enough without those distractions...  At any given time from stage 3 on, odds are that the screen will be cluttered with bullets. In stage five, they'll sometimes practically obscure the screen... Nazrin's stage 5 opener isn't especially tough, but seeing that huge spot on the screen around her turn white is one of my personal pet peeves, I just find it annoying as hell... And then the point items... GAAAH!!!!! They're worse than the UFOs on parts of stage 5 ._. Seriously, between the point items, the bullets, and the little waves the fairies give off when they die... HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO SEE ANYTHING?!


UFO is, if anything, worse than SA. You don't get as many bombs or lives by just normal gameplay, and the danmaku is no less unforgiving. I mean seriously... Kogasa and Ichirin? Not a single one of Kogasa's cards is really that easy. Actually, there was a point where I considered her final to be something to automatically bomb... Actually, even on Easy mode, that thing is far from trivial. Basically, it's worse than ANY other stage 2 attack in the windows games...

And then Ichirin. Oh god no Ichirin... Her first and third cards are nightmarish, her midboss card and her second boss nonspell are just annoying as well (more so the former) She's not as bad as Yuugi from SA, I will give her that (Yuugi has a midboss card I just automatically bomb, and her second boss card is the same way. Final is pretty luck based it seems. And her nonspells are tougher too.) but still, it's just... ARGH!

And let's leave Murasa at this... ARGH!!! Everything besides her first nonspell is capable of killing me. First spell isn't THAT bad, but it's still annoying, between the fact that the anchor can kill you as it retracts, the stuff it leaves in its wake, AND the splash danmaku it leaves behind... It's annoying >.< It's easy as hell with few bullets left behind like the Easy mode version, and if you completely removed any one part, it would be utterly pathetic, but...

Then the second card. Okay, seriously, this is the stuff of nightmares ._. I have trouble staying underneath Murasa, so I'll sometimes end up with criss-crossing streams of bullets that DRIFT, leading to either bombing or dying very quickly. Her last card... Oh god, I hate that too. I'm not sure WHY I have so much trouble with it, but I do... And her survival card... I have never gotten through it without dying/bombing. Usually I end up doing so multiple times,.

Stage 5 Nazrin... I've already said my gripe about her opener, and her card can just be summed up as annoying. So that brings us to Shou... Okay, EVERYTHING SHE HAS is perfectly capable of killing me. Her first nonspell isn't that bad, but... Meh... First spell is nasty, second nonspell is annoying, second spell is REALLY nasty, third nonspell is also annoying, third spell... Evil. Just evil, I CANNOT DO THIS STUPID EVIL CARD!!!! Her final is also annoying as hell...

I'm ending this here because I don't really have anything to say about stage 6... Yet. In time maybe...

In short: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH UFO?! STUPID STUPID AAAAGH!!!!

And now I'm done.

[lmagus]

Alice and Meiling are MUCH easier than Nitori...

Nitori has one hard card (midboss card) in a game where you have practically infinite bombs.

Alice has a mid-boss non-card that's stupidly hard and bulletfest spellcards in a game where bombs are the most precious thing after lives.

Well, card capturing wise, MoF is harder than both EoSD and PCB. At least on Hard.
MoF was still the first Hard game i cleared though, and I can't get to stage 6 neither on PCB or EoSD. I just think they're easier because I can capture nearly all cards.
I also have played MoF Hard well over 300 400 times before finishing it, so maybe it was just because i tried so hard that I did it first.

Nitori mid-boss card is not her worst.. I have about 12/80 on it.
It's first boss card is one of the hardest imo.. my record is around 2/80.. where her second and third cards have around 20/80 capture rate

[Gc]

If a picture is worth a thousand words, this replay is worth at least 211345233211205341345 "Epic fail"s



Click it. You know you want to see the replay.

[Bananamatic]

20/80 capture rate

jesus fucking christ, you are good.

[Matsuri]

GUAHHH!!! I MISSED THE LIFE MID BOSS YOUMU DROPPED....


ALSO WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST PCB IS THE EASIEST TOUHOU GAME?!

I didn't know people insisted that. *always considered IN to be the easiest*

[lmagus]

20/80 capture rate

jesus fucking christ, you are good.

I don't know if you're making fun of me or not, but i seriously prefer her second and third boss cards than her sub boss and first boss card... I can never do these two properly

[Bananamatic]

20/80 capture rate

jesus fucking christ, you are good.

I don't know if you're making fun of me or not, but i seriously prefer her second and third boss cards than her sub boss and first boss card... I can never do these two properly

Why would I make fun of someone who can actually capture these horrific cards.....

Except for her first opener and Flash Flood, every single attack goes into the bullshit or clipdeath category.

[lmagus]

it was just the way you said it :p

i also hate her non cards.. always end up hitting a bullet in that damn zig zag

[Kanako Yasaka]

I find her noncards to be hilariously easy. O_o

Everything else though...Ugh...

[lmagus]

I always find a way to die to the zig zag or to the big balls she throws inside the zigzag =(

[Bananamatic]

I always find a way to die to the zig zag or to the big balls she throws inside the zigzag =(

Yet you still somehow manage to enter stage 6 with 6 lives. I can't afford such luxury :V

[Krimmydoodle]

For Nitori's first boss card, it's all about anticipating the waves and choosing a safespot before the entire screen gets flooded.  You want to find the peak of a wave and get inside it, then stream the aimed bullets that Nitori fires.  I mocked up this crappy image a while back for someone else who needed help with it, hopefully it gets the idea across.



Maybe that didn't help, but my point is, you can't be scared of the waves.  If your history is 2/80, then I'm assuming that what you're doing is staying away from the waves, then another wave sneaks up on you, or you're getting hit by Nitori's aimed bullets because you're too focused on the waves.  You have to know where the safespot will form, take the first strike on the card, and dodge the waves before you -have- to dodge them, if that makes sense.

The same is somewhat true for her noncards.  First one's easy enough, but it gets a bit tougher with the zigzags in the latter two.  Before you dodge the zigzags, you have to check on the bullets, and pick a zigzag where the bullet won't reach you.  If you graze the round bullets, you're likely doing it wrong.  The correct path is one where you don't have to graze it.

[Bananamatic]

Tried Nitori on practice.

Midboss card captured.
First card captured.
Second card captured.
Clipped her third nonspell.
ALMOST captured Extending Arm, but I ran into a laser JUST as it ended.

Serious attempts? BOMB BOMB BOMB
It's hard to capture anything under pressure :V

[8lue Wizard]

Satori clear: 6 lives.
Orin Clear: 5 lives.
Midboss Orin arrive: 1 life.
D=

I'm so ****in' close to a 1cc normal clear I can taste it, but somehow I always find a way to blow it. Graaaaaaaahh.

[Seian Verian]

Just tried playing UFO. I was actually doing... Not that horribly, until I reached midboss Kogasa. Unfortunately, her "appear and kill everything on the top half of the screen" tactic worked, and put my attitude toward her (and everything else in the game) into basically... "I am going to kill you." No, seriously. That's actually how I felt about every single thing I encountered from that point on, I was staring at the screen with a look of cold malice for the rest of the game, and that was intensified when I kept dying on stage 3. The amazing thing though... I actually reached stage 5, even while in this state. (maybe because, for some reason, I was actually able to bomb <.<; )

[Bananamatic]

Satori clear: 6 lives.
Orin Clear: 5 lives.
Midboss Orin arrive: 1 life.
D=

I'm so ****in' close to a 1cc normal clear I can taste it, but somehow I always find a way to blow it. Graaaaaaaahh.

On my first and only SA normal 1cc, I've entered stage 6 with 1 life but pulled through.

Tried Aya on practice. In two runs, I've captured both Momijis, 1 Saruta Cross, 1 Tengu Fall Wind, both Illusionary Dominances and both finals.
Real run? BOMB BOMB BOMB

Okay, I've done a bit of s4 practice.
No deaths up to Aya and entered with FULL POWER. HOLY CRAP.
And then I clip her final spell. First time I didn't cap that in practice.
Still, 1 death on stage 4 is good enough for a 1cc. Now to pull it off under pressure :V

Another edit:
Weird. The "yet to capture" cards have turned into "didn't fail yet"

In like 4-5 stage 3 practice runs, I've always captured Diluvial Mare, Flash Flood AND Extending Arm.

[Seian Verian]

...Okay, seriously, what the hell? <.<; I'm starting to think that a NO DEATHS clear of SA Easy would be far less difficult than a 1cc of SA Normal >.< Dear god, what was ZUN thinking when he designed this game? Or UFO for that matter...?

[Rikter]

GUAHHH!!! I MISSED THE LIFE MID BOSS YOUMU DROPPED....


ALSO WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST PCB IS THE EASIEST TOUHOU GAME?!

I didn't know people insisted that. *always considered IN to be the easiest*

Likewise I do belive IN is easier after you play through it once or twice.

[CK Crash]

I went into UFO Normal stage 6 with 7 lives. I beat Byakuren with 0 lives, and 2 bombs. I had more than enough resources to bombspam her to death and I still screw it up :V

[Esoterica]

Alice and Meiling are MUCH easier than Nitori...

Nitori has one hard card (midboss card) in a game where you have practically infinite bombs.

Alice has a mid-boss non-card that's stupidly hard and bulletfest spellcards in a game where bombs are the most precious thing after lives.

Well, card capturing wise, MoF is harder than both EoSD and PCB. At least on Hard.
MoF was still the first Hard game i cleared though, and I can't get to stage 6 neither on PCB or EoSD. I just think they're easier because I can capture nearly all cards.
I also have played MoF Hard well over 300 400 times before finishing it, so maybe it was just because i tried so hard that I did it first.

Nitori mid-boss card is not her worst.. I have about 12/80 on it.
It's first boss card is one of the hardest imo.. my record is around 2/80.. where her second and third cards have around 20/80 capture rate

Agreed, I can deal with her midboss card and Kappa's Flash Flood no problem (100% capture rate on the former), but I always bomb/die to Extending Arm, and her first card is hit-or-miss.

Speaking of MoF Hard rage, Autumn Sky and a Maiden's Heart has been the source of many ragequits.