Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3 (Read 94942 times)

CF7 · « **Reply #450 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:25:26 PM »

My head hurts. I tried to run through all options considering both Darkie's and Conq's claims.
Results of the night. 2 corpses. Flipped Cop and Vig. Raikaria confirmed that Vig's kill goes last. So. We probably have mafia scum and sk.
Conq claims he was shot. If it's true then that means that there's another sk or some other killing role. Which is weird, but oh, well.
Darkies claims that he's doc and he protected Conq this night. If he's doc, then as Cheez mentioned, why he didn't protect Vig, which imo is a bit suspicious.
Now i'm not sure if they're both telling the truth or lying but it seems a little bit too convinient to claim that.

Conqueror · « **Reply #451 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Serela on January 14, 2014, 03:25:29 PM

Also I can imagine Conq also being an SK caught in a hilarious fakeclaim here (in terms of the amount of nightkills after it was shown SkyPal's vig was disabled by death, which, by the way, has never been how it works in MotK before AS FAR AS I AM AWARE :V Not that that's a bad thing, it's just very unexpected, normally anyone who gets shot at and isn't protected will die) but the only reason to fakeclaim extra kills would be "Let's confuse the fuck out of town", albiet that can be a legitimate strategy

anyway I'm not seriously suggesting this on conq but I just thought it was an amusing thought and that it is still somewhat realistic

since this pretty much seems to be why people are voting me someone like Shadoweh should get in here and confirm that I would 100% never make a QUALITY play like this as scum/sk. Every time I've been scum, I've claimed either VT or something close to my actual role, excluding my first scum game where I claimed something to troll Shadoweh. B) There was also a scum game where I claimed doc, but that was after rolecopping and killing the jailkeeper in a no-role-flip game.

DNAbc · « **Reply #452 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:25:48 PM »

yeah sure so you are saying you have no idea lolololil

then at least you couldve given us some ideas on whos the sk then, and why nobody has fessed up to your 'imaginary fourth nk guy'.

if you were actually inputing content and theories insteaad of flailing and screaming 'omg its possibl3 so i am inno3ent' it would be oddles more helpful if you are town.

but now you are just wasting my time without any progression on whos the scum or the sk if you arent the one.

Conqueror · « **Reply #453 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:27:01 PM »

I'm voting NNR you derp.

Conqueror · « **Reply #454 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:28:18 PM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:25:48 PM

then at least you couldve given us some ideas on whos the sk then, and why nobody has fessed up to your 'imaginary fourth nk guy'.

Who the SK is = who fucking cares? Probably one of you people pushing this as a 1v1. Let the mafia take care of the SK.
Fourth nk guy = did you miss the part where I talked about a conditional scum nightkill?

DNAbc · « **Reply #455 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:28:23 PM »

who th3 fuck cares about a slot thats either getting modkilled

DNAbc · « **Reply #456 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:28:55 PM »

then conq. WHO THE FUCK ARE THE SCUMS?

O4rfish · « **Reply #457 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:29:20 PM »

I would just like to say, I was right about ActionDan being Town, and may therefore have gotten the Town Cop shot, but I was also right about him being a Noble.

OMG, a PGO in a setting with so many Town roles would be madness.
The more I think about it, the more likely it is that EVERYONE has a role. How likely is it for a massclaim on D2?

Conqueror · « **Reply #458 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:29:29 PM »

1) It's not getting modkilled as the mod said.
2) It's probably scum.

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:25:48 PM

but now you are just wasting my time without any progression on whos the scum or the sk if you arent the one.

You're wasting my time by going BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE SCUM in response to everything I say.

Conqueror · « **Reply #459 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:32:16 PM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:28:55 PM

then conq. WHO THE FUCK ARE THE SCUMS?

fuck you, that's what I should be asking you. All you have is LOL CONQ IS THE SK.

At this stage something like NNR/Zak/CF7 wouldn't surprise me but that's just off the top of my head and I need to reread to make sure it actually makes sense. Serela and SB have generally read townie but their current posting makes me think potential SK candidates, but not mafia. Cheez looks okay. Shadoweh is probably town via delicious meta. Oarfish also probably town.

I have no idea what you are.

DNAbc · « **Reply #460 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:33:54 PM »

look conq . theres nothing to discuss about nnr , literally.
if i have a better option and actual clues leading to scum i want to lynch those people first lor

i am never saying what if you are scum, i am saying what if you are sk. :V and i think you failed to grasp my argument where i am saying and repeating the whole time just tell me your reads and thoughts on the gamestate if you are town. you are just sragging on the pointless, of course i am calling you out, you mever responded nor acted to the core idea of everything i directed at you. that idea is, prove me otherwise.

DNAbc · « **Reply #461 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:36:28 PM »

now that you have actually posted your reads for christ knows how motherfucking long explain them

my sk candidate has always been you. scumteam of cf7/shadoweh/nnr or oarfish. i have enough explainations already in my walls dammit

DNAbc · « **Reply #462 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:37:48 PM »

and i am the town doctor. motherfuck. how could i be anything else

Conqueror · « **Reply #463 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:39:00 PM »

If you think I'm SK let the mafia take care of me. :V I'M STILL NOT THE SK THOUGH.

I've just responded to that. I think NNR/Zak/CF7 make sense as mafia. If you're town, a lot of D1 was town on town action, and it makes sense if scum was lying low and letting town scramble for lynches. NNR makes sense as scum because his one post was just bad. Zak doesn't have much of a presence and I'm pretty sure when he's town he shows more conviction than this; right now he's kinda standing on the sidelines of the whole Conq/DNA rolemess without providing any alternative. CF7 is mostly leftovers; I don't like the way he's approaching today. I'll look over him again later.

Raikaria · « **Reply #464 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:41:31 PM »

Answers to questions; votecount momentarily:

1: If a doctor protects a bulletproof who learns if they've been shot, does the bulletproof still learn there was an attempt on their life?

No. The Bulletproof only knows if their vest was hit.

2.If someone uses an active, targetted power, and it is redirected, are they informed in any capacity that their action hit someone who was not the intended target?

Variable. Something like a Cop would have the name of whoever was investigated in a report. Something such as a roleblocker; a gift giver; a doctor and so on would not.

3.If someone uses an active power and it completely fails to function for whatever reason, are they informed their actions failed?

Variable. Roles which return a report know from the complete lack of report. Roles that do not return reports do not know.

DNAbc · « **Reply #465 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:41:41 PM »

oh and i never did miss that part about conditional nk

but since its conditional why would it be fufilled n1. anyway, thats not the main point.

look conq. many things are possible. saying in this gamestate and to completely ignore my analysis and roleshens screams lack of actual thought and insight in the game. and you know what, scums and sk dont think about gamestate as hard as towns do because its not their only loyalty. is that clear enough

Conqueror · « **Reply #466 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:44:15 PM »

SB and Serela were day one townreads. SB for generally solid posting and good energy as opposed to his lurkfest of a scumgame and I agreed with a lot of his opinions. Serela's conviction on Sky_Paladin felt genuine although thinking back about it I'm kinda wavering, but I still don't think he's mafia. The way they're approaching today is what makes me think possible third party, and thus unimportant.

I think I have a pretty good record at reading Shadoweh. I think she's pretty town here, no joke. If she were scum she'd have more direction and fakerage. I don't think what she's posted in this game reads as fake. Oarfish is too cute to be scum. Also, him taking personal responsibility for reading Dan as town and getting him shot is kinda hilarious and I don't know if he's capable of saying something like that as scum. :V
Cheez is a tough read but he's one of the more logical posters here. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he was scum, but I feel like he's one of the people trying to actively figure out the game, so I'm leaning town here.

DNAbc · « **Reply #467 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:44:46 PM »

conq if you are the sk i would want you to die and leave our ppl alone considering town lost both their vig and tracker

Conqueror · « **Reply #468 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:45:43 PM »

I'm ignoring your roleshenanigans because they're wrong and I'm ignoring your analysis because I disagree with them and think they're based on faulty assumptions. Nothing personal. :v I did read them though.

Raikaria · « **Reply #469 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:47:42 PM »

Votecount of the Restless Ghosts

NNR (1): Conq
Darkninjaabc (3): Shadoweh; CF7; Cheez8
Conq (2): SB; Darkninjaabc

Not Voting (4): NNR; Zakeri; Serela; O4rfish

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140117T0953&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+2

If NNR does not post by midnight GMT he shall be replaced/modkilled.

Conqueror · « **Reply #470 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:48:19 PM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:44:46 PM

conq if you are the sk i would want you to die and leave our ppl alone considering town lost both their vig and tracker

1) I'm not the SK.
2) If I'm the SK I have to aim for mafia because all this SK speculation just put a huge target on my back.

Raikaria's responses should send everyone still harping on roleshenanigans back to earth.

DNAbc · « **Reply #471 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:50:38 PM »

you ignoring everything because you say they are wrong means you do not input as town . if you are going to deny things deny it with logic. i am literally watching my fingers flash on the board while pointing out everything i find wrong aabout your so called logic. and then you just handwaving everything saying "its POSSIBLE!" leans town? i dont understnad

i will read your reads tmr but let me just say it. your even worse because you suggest letting sk roam after town lost both cop and vig. chances of town actually benefit from that is incredibly low considering sk think for themselves

DNAbc · « **Reply #472 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:51:51 PM »

cut by what why would you have to aim for maf if you aee sk

Conqueror · « **Reply #473 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »

Point out the specific posts you want me to reply to and I'll reply to them later after I get some sleep because I'm nodding off right now.

This is getting into theory, but SK have to kill mafia to win. Simple as that. Kill SK today leaves town at MYLO tomorrow if there are three scum.

SB · « **Reply #474 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:52:50 PM »

I'm way too used to announced hooks/redirects.

##Unvote

If anyone tracked or watched Conq they should totally say something though.

##Vote: NNR

While I reread other people I guess?

Conqueror · « **Reply #475 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:53:41 PM »

Dude if the SK doesn't aim for mafia he gets nightkilled by the mafia or endgamed/lynched by them when mafia reach majority. SK play is all about keeping the balance between scum and town. Napping now, I'll be back later.

DNAbc · « **Reply #476 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:54:08 PM »

comq, are you kididing me
rai reponses only cleared up doc and bpv thing

theres still no material saying 4nks are now somehow okay 13p setup.

this game got reviewed by both bbm and hw. are you seriously going to tell me to BE THE BOMB COP LIKE IN IDOLMASTER and trust CRAZY IMBA NUMBER OF KILLS

Conqueror · « **Reply #477 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:57:12 PM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:54:08 PM

theres still no material saying 4nks are now somehow okay 13p setup.

And yet that's what happened here.

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 14, 2014, 05:54:08 PM

this game got reviewed by both bbm and hw. are you seriously going to tell me to BE THE BOMB COP LIKE IN IDOLMASTER and trust CRAZY IMBA NUMBER OF KILLS

You should see some of bbm/hw's setups on serenesforest.

Conqueror · « **Reply #478 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:57:52 PM »

I really should be going now. Mafia is bad for my time management.

DNAbc · « **Reply #479 on:** January 14, 2014, 06:01:00 PM »

i am gonna sleep too but one last response to mylo thing.

cept town would still be going in lylo with us being strung on by scums and sk combined. tit would basically become a dilemma where town is good as ded.

it a retarded suggestion to let maf kill the sk. you are spewing nonsense that would only make sense if you are sk