Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3

[Cheez8]

Wait, hold on, there's something I forgot to ask.

in this scenario, then conq couldve just confused every townie while giving off a harmless vibe to scum, seeing there is the doctor , aka me, who is likely to be protecting him every chance i get. which makes the kill less appealing because random factor.

Why would Conq believe that you are likely to protect him? At the end of D1, you said you trusted Paladin. Shouldn't you have been protecting him instead?

This is a big part of the reason I'm suspicious of you. You claimed doc, explicitly stated you trusted the guy who claimed vigilante, and then when the next morning comes that guy is dead and you claim you were off protecting somebody else. Somebody who just happened to not be protected that night after all.

Actually yeah you know what?
##Vote: Darkie

[WHMZakeri]

i dont think its needed to ne said but scums obviously shot sp because they know hes vig

didn't Raikaria already state that Sky's shot wouldn't have gone off if he was NKed? That still leaves an extra shot from an unknown source.

[Conqueror]

Also, I'm not Prims, I don't gambit randomly and make claims for no reason so the notion I would do this as any type of scum, let alone SK because that would draw everyone's attention to me when I want to be sneaking under the radar doesn't make sense.

[SB]

How is it NOT a 1v1. He claims to have protected you. You claim to have been shot. Doctors prevent the BPV from being hit. Seems like a 1v1 to me.

[Serela]

Nope, try again.

uh we have two sets of claimed night results that directly contradict eachother. You shouldn't both be town at this point, whether it's you or Darkie.

The only realistic other option I see is Darkie was redirected, the answers of which I'm waiting on from the mod before I actually place a vote on one of you two.

Yeah, this doesn't make a ton of sense from either of you. But it seems that one of you is most likely guilty.

I don't like role shenanigans like this but they just can't be ignored because they -look- like the way to play to your win condition ;_;

[Conqueror]

Why would Conq believe that you are likely to protect him? At the end of D1, you said you trusted Paladin. Shouldn't you have been protecting him instead?

This 100% btw. Also if I were SK I wouldn't have shot Dan given he literally proxied his vote over to me.

3 antitown kills in a single night seems like massive overkill to me.

That's pretty cool, but it's a fact. Not to mention that 3 antitown kills doesn't mean a mafia and 2 SKs. There are probably other shenanigans at work here.

[DNAbc]

selela do you even get the point of this

there are three possibilities given what we have, when we assume both conq and i are not lying

1. scum roleblock me. i failed docblock. second vig or sk shot conq. he got notified. whoever didnt shoot killed dan. total four kills since scum must kill sp for being vig. the flaw in this scenario is that it necessitates the mod derping up and didnt notify the doc, and a shitton of kills

2. i got bus driven to someone else. sucess so no notification. scum shot sp. conq shot by second vig or sk. whoever didnt shoot kill dan.

flaw as aforementioned that it needs a shitton of kills. besides, imo scum should have all three of roleblock, bus and clop given how many full fledged roles 4town should have been able to abuse.

i mean like full cop and full vig seriously. its a hellton of town killing power. godfather must be there in scums too, cool its irrelevant now

anyway

3. conq is sk. he shot dan himself. claim to have been shot to confuse blah blah blah.

just read my last post yourself

[Conqueror]

How is it NOT a 1v1. He claims to have protected you. You claim to have been shot. Doctors prevent the BPV from being hit. Seems like a 1v1 to me.

HOW MANY TIMES TO I HAVE TO SAY
IF HIS DOC PROTECTION WAS MESSED WITH VIA ROLEBLOCK OR BUS DRIVE
THEN THERE IS NO 1V1

[Conqueror]

darkninja are you seriously voting me because you think I'm SK?

[Conqueror]

uh we have two sets of claimed night results that directly contradict eachother. You shouldn't both be town at this point, whether it's you or Darkie.

The only contradictory thing is the logic you people are using.

I blame Dormio for making me join this game.

[Serela]

I hadn't even considered that someone could be roleblocked and not notified because being notified your action failed seems like one of the obviously standard things that would always happen.

But I guess I could ask that too? >_>;

Raikaria I'm sorry if you think it's lame that I'm trying to "game the setup" by asking all these questions but "do people know if they're roleblocked/bus driven" is 100% innocent questions that I'm sure you would answer otherwise even if I'm not sure you'll answer them at this point.

but yes etcetcetc

I'm just going to pm raikaria at this point

[Serela]

but yeah I've been discounting all of darkie's alternatives because they imply things that he should already know if this setup was run by most of the mods here

[Conqueror]

Notifying players about failed actions only happens with half the mods, and even then sometimes only for investigative roles.

If you people are going to play the role game then for chrissake at least play it right.

[DNAbc]

cheez. can you actually try to grasp my intentions. instead of just raising strawman arguments

look, i told everyone first thing in my incredibly long wall i was facing deadline with a really crappy phone. i decided at that point of time, i cannot type nor communicate properly thus, in order to prevent the town doc, me, from being lynched, i claimed and said i trust paladins CLAIM enough to not lynch him. because, as i have mentioned, i cant even defend for myself, how can i even rack back up 7 votes for paladin is beyond me

[Conqueror]

but yeah I've been discounting all of darkie's alternatives because they imply things that he should already know if this setup was run by most of the mods here

I don't know what this statement means given what happened in games like Town Mafia where Shadoweh lynched SB when she rolecopped him as the Bus Driver. Except the mafia bus drove him and Shadoweh wasn't notified so she was wrong.

[DNAbc]

darkninja are you seriously voting me because you think I'm SK?

dude its zakeri logic. "bully the wordy guy for content"

[Conqueror]

I don't know what that means.

[Serela]

If you people are going to play the role game then for chrissake at least play it right.

I'm asking the mod all these questions and waiting for a response before laying down judgment, so I fail to see what I'm actually doing wrong here

[DNAbc]

and if cheez you were actually drilling on the fact that i was lazy and left out the word CLAIM then lol sorry i really am lazy and left that out

now i am going to wait as you connect my laziness to some omgus scumslip resulting in a crazy conspiracy logic in full bloom

[Conqueror]

Anytime the game devolves into rolegaming you're already doing it wrong.

Given the flips so far, I highly doubt this is the case in this game, but your assumptions could be fucked over by experimental roles, nonstandard action resolution, or just plain modfuckery.

[Conqueror]

actually darkninja the scummiest thing you have done all game is vote me right now because and blame it on "zakeri logic"

[DNAbc]

conq is saying the mods has the decision in whether informing docs or jailkeeps they "sucessed " or not because there are role shens that can be ruled out by confirmation like that. eg strong man and roleblock can be guessed

so some mods can just dont so it. those questions are p worthless if we are srsly trying to game the setup which is sadly what we are doing. and thats also why i said scenario 1 and 2 are not good because it relies on modshens

conq just exlains why we should trust theres a second vig who refuse to fess up instead of you being sk

[Conqueror]

There is no second vig.

There is probably an SK.

I am not the SK.

The mafia possibly have a conditional extra kill, or there is a weird role out there like Trapper that creates extra kills. Dan hitting a PGO would be an example, although it's most certainly not the case in this game (because no claimed PGO + scum PGO is OP) but it's an example of how an extra kill could come into play.

[WHMZakeri]

dude its zakeri logic. "bully the wordy guy for content"

He's reffering to the time I mentioned that people pick on those who provide a lot of content simply because they have a lot of content to pick on.

[DNAbc]

look conq, zak logic is a mockery of what he did.

if you think its scummy because it concerns you ehhhhh
i believe i have said that i am willing to trust conq is sk rather than that theres a second vig on top of the confirmed sk.

so i want you to explain to me why we should trust 4 nk instead of 3 nk in a 13p setup

[DNAbc]

cut by conq.

yes exactly
maybe theres a trapper whatever it doesnt matter but then its still maximum possible 4 nk

just justify why the fuck would we have 4nk
instead of 3

and why , after you have justified the above scenario being possible, you are not involved

[Conqueror]

I already said there is no second vig. >_____>

You want counterexamples? One of kilga's game had 4 nightkills in one night due to a role and that was 15p iirc. There was still only one mafia.

If you think I'm SK via play, that's fair game, though you're wrong, and I can show you why you're wrong (because I'm totally obvtown B) ). But if you're going to pull half-baked role shenanigans on me, hell no.

[Conqueror]

and why , after you have justified the above scenario being possible, you are not involved

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW IM JUST A BP TOWNIE

Why don't you ask the mod why there are 4 nk's in the game? Go ahead, ask him. Also ask him why he put an unlimited vig in a 13p game with at least two antitown factions, a hated townie who doesn't have any other abilities and is still hated in lylo, etc.

[Conqueror]

I am not involved because the only thing I did last night was PM Raikaria that I was still active. V:

[Cheez8]

cheez. can you actually try to grasp my intentions. instead of just raising strawman arguments

look, i told everyone first thing in my incredibly long wall i was facing deadline with a really crappy phone. i decided at that point of time, i cannot type nor communicate properly thus, in order to prevent the town doc, me, from being lynched, i claimed and said i trust paladins CLAIM enough to not lynch him. because, as i have mentioned, i cant even defend for myself, how can i even rack back up 7 votes for paladin is beyond me

I don't know what a strawman argument is.

While I acknowledge that you have a crappy phone, the fact remains that what you said was that you trusted Paladin, and so what we were led to believe was that you trusted Paladin. This is the first anybody is hearing otherwise and I still think if you were really a doc you would have been more worried about protecting a player who claimed such a powerful role, even if you only trust him enough not to lynch him. I mean, you said yourself multiple times today how obvious it was that oh, of course scum would kill Paladin because of his role. If you believed that was so obvious you really should have acted on that.

Essentially, I have a lot of trouble believing that you'd protect anybody other than Paladin if you were a doctor, in light of his claim and what you've been saying so far today. The issue with Conq not being protected only serves to make me more confident that you can't actually protect players at all.

now i am going to wait as you connect my laziness to some omgus scumslip resulting in a crazy conspiracy logic in full bloom

Nope sorry, pretty sure being lazy has nothing to do with being scum
and you haven't been lazy anyway

oh gosh so many cuts