Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3  (Read 94917 times)

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #150 on: January 12, 2014, 07:01:15 PM »
since that's a pretty bad response to SkyPal, let me make a vaguely better one

On my previous post where I talk about why I don't like you, after the quote you can fluff up the following sentence with an obvious restatement of what everyone else who voted you already said was bad about the reasoning. For the next mini-paragraph, you can reduce the parenthesis sentence to "Maybe it should be considered null, but I don't like it".

That pretty much covers the entirety of things
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ActionDan

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #151 on: January 12, 2014, 07:01:54 PM »
my mistake.

##Vote: Dormio

Don't lynch me.

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2014, 07:05:31 PM »
(oh, skypaladin's reaction is also a reason I'm voting him now, but yeah)
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Raikaria

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2014, 07:18:03 PM »
Votecount of the Cheesemaker

Dormio (3): Fortress Populous, Conq; ActionDan
CF7 (1): Shadoweh
Darkninjaabc (3): Cheez8; NNR; O4rfish
Serela (1): CF7
Conq (1): Dormio
Cheez8 (1): Darkninjaabc
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri
Sky_Paladin (1): Serela
ActionDan (1): Sky_Paladin

Not Voting (0): No-one ^_^

Deadline is here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140113T1130&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

16 hours 11 mins remaining.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2014, 07:30:46 PM »
Wait Conq.

Dormio is hated though.  you sure about this?

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2014, 07:31:22 PM »
(I kinda guess it's conditional though and not permanent)

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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #156 on: January 12, 2014, 07:35:43 PM »
"so, I'm sheeping you"
"but wait, I'm not actually sure about this vote of yours that I'm copying"
 ლ(╹◡╹ლ
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

CF7

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #157 on: January 12, 2014, 08:33:11 PM »
CF7, you still haven't answered WHY the change happened, I know that you think Sky is town now but have no idea why, and that's what I was asking for.
Because i'm not getting any scum vibes from him. Other than that one time. So i guess it's a misread.
Ignoring how wrong 'a bit too scummy for Day 1' sounds, your only previous mention of Serela was that he's his usual unhelpful self, but town enough for now. I thought he'd at least posted between here and now, but he hadn't so the only thing I see here is someone who saw he was at 3 votes and a leading wagon going into the end of Day 1, saw someone else picking up votes who also happened to be attacking them, and picked a spot for themselves. You need to give a better explanation then uhhhhhhhhhhh..
I voted him after rereading. His vote shenaningans seemed really off. And his explanation of "messing up names" doesn't sound like a solid town read to me tbh.
Zak's Post bothers me a bit, since there's like no case on NNR at all.

Considering we have like 1/3 of players who are too lazy to do stuff i'd vote one of them.
NNR pretty much gave 1 post worth of information.
O4rfish. Not really motivated. Gave half-assed evaluation and left.
Zak is not entirely here too.
Dormio and Conq just vote each other. Plus there's that anononymous vote on Dormio. Also total sum is 14 votes. Either there's someone with 2 votes. Mechanic that makes one player getting auto-vote. Or That anon vote actually displays like it has power but it doesn't.

Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2014, 08:53:25 PM »
Dormio is basically scum for this post. 1) Dormio never reads me as scum and 2) "clearly a slip" and 3) Dormio knows that his not trying hard at the moment has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with the fact that he's playing vidya games instead of mafia.
This is pretty hilarious.
Like how do you read this shit as being townie instead of being an incredibly lazy vote on an easy target like me since I'm being super lazy?
Just putting that out there.

Raikaria

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2014, 09:37:02 PM »
Just under 14 hours remaining. Votecount remains the same.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2014, 09:45:48 PM »
This is pretty hilarious.
Like how do you read this shit as being townie instead of being an incredibly lazy vote on an easy target like me since I'm being super lazy?
Just putting that out there.
What's hilarious is that you're using this argument against me as an excuse to keep continuing to be "lazy." I know you care more about your town game than that, and your tone here pretty much gives away that you're trying to find any way to paint me as scum instead of legit thinking I'm scum. Because clearly the only thing I've done this game is to votepark on you, instead of your monumental protown contribution, right?

Sure, let's play. How is what you quoted in any way a "slip" in any way shape or form and not you just bullshitting because you're too lazy to do anything else and think you can get away with this?


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #161 on: January 12, 2014, 09:47:06 PM »
Re: Dormio being "hated", before I comment on that I want Raikaria to answer this first.
@Raikaria: Is this correct?
With 13 in the game it takes 8 to lynch


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #162 on: January 12, 2014, 10:04:58 PM »
Shadoweh can you at least give an opinion on where you're leaning for today (besides the CF7 thing I guess?)

Oarfish, I have no idea what that list is supposed to mean. What does "talks like a goblin" mean? Like, who do you think is town or scum and is there any particular reason why? That's more what people are interested in.

Serela, sky paladin isn't voting for you on the "lying" thing anymore since I think it became pretty clear you just mixed up your words or whatever. As for the forced reads you're pointing out, I'm not a big fan of them but I also remember skimming SP in the last game we played in where he was forceful on D1 for weird reasons and got lynched for it. I'd take his contribution over half the players in this game anyway.

Sky_Paladin, your logic for Actiondan scum is basically that he's lurking as far as I can tell?
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Relevance:  Why would you vote for somebody you thought was 50% likely to be town?
I mean this kinda takes what Dan says out of context but you wrote a paragraph right afterwards explaining why Dan was voting Shadoweh,  so I'm just confused what that tangent was about since it doesn't seem to lead anywhere. Or did you think Dan switching his vote to Shadoweh in the first place was scummy?

Also, I don't know why people are ragging on Dan for being nonsensical, he makes perfect sense to me. :V If you want to vote someone who doesn't make sense, why not vote for Dormio? His accusation that what I said was a "slip" doesn't even make sense if you think about it, and now he's taking the "how are you reading this shit as townie" angle? Well, how's this Dormio? Instead of asking why am I townie, let's ask, why am I scummy?


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Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #163 on: January 12, 2014, 10:05:46 PM »
Wow I've got a lot to catch up on. Note to self, only develop unknown eye injuries when I'm not busy with a pair of mafia games.

Oh cool there's a Quick Reply feature.

Serela has confused his own scumpartners before so he really hasn't done something I'd consider Sereley enough yet to be obvtown.
Oh geez. Well, that changes things.

I was considering voting for Sky_P because of his justification of making his rvs vote into serious vote. I think he's still town at the moment. And funnily you as well. Because it looks like your usual scumhunting and picking on people.
Isn't this like your fourth game here or something? I'm surprised you already know what SB's "usual" looks like.
I probably wouldn't have even pointed that out but there are all these small things you're doing that bug me but I don't think they're worth pointing out and then other people keep pointing them out, so maybe this means something too. I dunno. It still bugs me, anyway, and keeps making me think maybe you only said it to get SB off your back.

The more I read Dormio's posts and the arguments against him, the less I'm inclined to see him as town.

Oarfish's "analysis" doesn't really make too much sense, and to my surprise this has not been remedied yet. Do you have any reads that we could understand, by any chance?

Now that there's somewhat less pain to distract me I'm beginning to notice that yeah, SP's CF7 vote logic was pretty poor. It was kind of one of the first semi-serious reasons of the game though, so I don't think it really indicates his alignment one way or another.

Dan please say something useful.

Huh, there wasn't as much to catch up on as I thought. Right now I'm most comfortable with voting Dormio, followed by CF7 I guess and maybe Paladin. SB is pretty much the only player I really don't want to lynch though so that could probably change. As much as I try, I'm not getting any reads at all on NNR yet which seems weird despite him only posting once or twice.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


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Someday, I'll have a clue what I'm doing.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #164 on: January 12, 2014, 10:06:08 PM »
"so, I'm sheeping you"
"but wait, I'm not actually sure about this vote of yours that I'm copying"
 ლ(╹◡╹ლ
serela do you think dan is scum or are you just frustrated at him


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #165 on: January 12, 2014, 10:15:46 PM »
I could also do an NNR wagon based off his one post I guess. Will look over the CF7 point people were talking about but I tend to see minor inconsistencies like the one Shadoweh pointed out as mostly inconsequential this early in the game where there's so little to work off of.

Well, I'd ask CF7 this: why Serela over everyone else you mentioned?

Darkninja wagon would be purely policy; I haven't seen anything from his that point one way or another yet.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #166 on: January 12, 2014, 10:17:05 PM »
*from him that points one way or another yet, so I'd rather let night actions or further posting sort him out.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

O4rfish

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #167 on: January 12, 2014, 10:42:04 PM »
All right, my reads on fellow players.
DNA: talks like a goblin.
Shadoweh: competent farmer/brewer.
(Kilga is the secret dwarf! it all makes sense now)
Serela: glitching. Possibly a butterfly in the workplace?
ActionDan: no effort to explain poor logic. Noble.
Skypaladin: harried worker. Possibly the Main Character?

In conclusion, ##unvote ActionDan, ##vote DNA

Well, all right. DNA is difficult to understand, uses frowned-upon words, and seems to get really emotional about his defenses. Policy lynch on account of writing too much, and not too well.

Shadoweh: infrequent poster (not that I am a great example, but whatever) with logical reads and cool demeanor.

Serela: acting exactly like one of those dwarves whose goals and environment and temperament and equipment and management all conflict. Exactly like one of those dwarves who is getting interrupted by an animal all the time. If Serela was scum, the scum team wouldn't gain much.

ActionDan: made a questionable logical leap and then COMPLETELY FAILED TO JUSTIFY IT. Since then, he has not been acting defensive upon receiving votes, which leads me to believe he is simply lazy town.

SkyPaladin: putting forth some good effort in scumhunting even on D1, although he parked his vote on a 1-wagon and then said "I'll be back at hammertime" so ... dunno, tryhard? scum? it would be difficult to tell at this point.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #168 on: January 12, 2014, 10:43:32 PM »
and, before you say "well why didn't you say it like that the first time"
I made the connections in DF mode, then translated them just now into mafia.
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Raikaria

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #169 on: January 12, 2014, 10:45:49 PM »
@Raikaria: Is this correct?


It's called me being a derp and forgetting that the 'Fortress Populous' vote did not count to the majority requirement. It's 7 to lynch.

I'm new to this modding thing. Derps are to be expected.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #170 on: January 12, 2014, 10:54:44 PM »
Sure, let's play.
Alright, now we're getting riled up, let's do this.

So why we should all vote for Conqadour, part the first.
Does anyone remember these two posts?
Because it doesn't seem like Conq does. What this looks like to me is token questioning designed to do little more than set himself up to look like an active contributor that's doing so much to help town in finding the scums.

I mean the entirety of Conq's early game consists of him making some gentle nudges and prods at basically half the playerbase. (Cheez8, Shadoweh, CF7, O4rfish, Sky Palladium, DNA, and NNR)
So, what's the point of me pointing this out? Well, it's pretty simple.
Just ask yourselves why Conq would bother with all of this poking and prodding. What's the end result here?
Conq does absolutely nothing to offend any of the players or get on their bad sides while simultaneously painting himself in their minds as someone active and contributing.
I mean it's much easier to remember someone that's been "attacking" you, if you want to call Conq's pokes that, as opposed to someone doing other things which are detached from yourself.
So, yeah, I think Conq's early game and later assertions of having given a monumental protown contribution. (Saying something like that implies that you believe yourself to be in a position to be condescending, so don't try any of that "I didn't actually say that" bullshit)

Finally, we get to Conq making what is closest to an actual attack here.
However, despite the apparently logic driven process that he's used this far, the only reason that he gives for me is one based on meta.
Now, to explain further about what was clearly a slip, I would like you to look at this post.
I'll give you some context here, I chat with Conq quite a lot about mafia and some other random topics in general.
Because of this, Conq knows that I tryhard way more as scum as opposed to town, and I think that the wording in that sentence reflects that.
I mean, it seemed to natural to Conq that he failed to correct himself when called out on it the first time by Shadoweh.

So then, let's move on from that topic to here.
Look at how little effort goes into this post because Conq is getting complacent.
He's pretty sure I'll be an easy lynch because I'm busy playing vidya games, so he doesn't feel the need to put nearly as much effort into explaining anything he does.
Instead, what we get are the following three points.
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1) Dormio never reads me as scum
I'm not really all that sure what to make of this statement.
I mean, I do find Conq to be agreeable almost all of the time, but absolutes are a pretty dangerous thing.
The fact that Conq is trying to use this as a point just goes to show how arrogant he's feeling right now since he feels that easy lynch coming.
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2) "clearly a slip"
Like, I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
The fact that Conq is using lazy points like this is just further demonstrating his current arrogance.
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3) Dormio knows that his not trying hard at the moment has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with the fact that he's playing vidya games instead of mafia.
And yet, despite making this point, Conq tried to say that my not trying hard is related to myself being scummy.
It basically all culminates in this post anyway, where Conq basically just claims I'm doing something with absolutely nothing to back himself up because he feels that he doesn't need it since I'm being super lazy.

After that, we have nothing but pokes and prods on other people again. :derp:
Alright Conq, your move.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #171 on: January 12, 2014, 10:56:19 PM »
Ah, okay. In that case, I'd point out that we don't know what is going on with the Fortress Populous vote and that it probably has no bearing on Dormio's alignment.

Responding to this monster that cut me shortly.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #172 on: January 12, 2014, 11:12:24 PM »
Does anyone remember these two posts?
Because it doesn't seem like Conq does. What this looks like to me is token questioning designed to do little more than set himself up to look like an active contributor that's doing so much to help town in finding the scums.

Oh no, I remember these perfectly. The only thing I was trying to do was get some discussion going and possibly a read on Cheez8 based on his response, because his initial vote on DNA slightly pinged me (why vote DNA while agreeing that Dormio is hated) so I wanted to poke around a little. To paint this as me trying to "look like an active contributor" is laughable because guess what? I was trying to get something started. Am I lording that around like it means you should townread me for me? No, absolutely not. I dropped the line completely because I didn't get anything from it and my next posts were about other stuff.

Bringing me to Dormio's next point.
I mean the entirety of Conq's early game consists of him making some gentle nudges and prods at basically half the playerbase.
Yes, absolutely. And? This has always been an integral part of my towngame, and you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable? I question people. I don't try to piss off people unless they piss me off first, because mafia is a game I like to enjoy, not scream in.
So, yeah, I think Conq's early game and later assertions of having given a monumental protown contribution. (Saying something like that implies that you believe yourself to be in a position to be condescending, so don't try any of that "I didn't actually say that" bullshit)
Compared to your activity? Yeah, yeah I do, and anyone can see this. And I didn't actually say that either, so that's another point for me.

However, despite the apparently logic driven process that he's used this far, the only reason that he gives for me is one based on meta.
If you actually read that post instead of skimming it you'd see that the "meta" point was just a tack-on. The part I was voting for you was the complacency about the Serela vote.

Now, to explain further about what was clearly a slip, I would like you to look at this post.
I'll give you some context here, I chat with Conq quite a lot about mafia and some other random topics in general.
Because of this, Conq knows that I tryhard way more as scum as opposed to town, and I think that the wording in that sentence reflects that.
I mean, it seemed to natural to Conq that he failed to correct himself when called out on it the first time by Shadoweh.
In fact, the wording in that sentence reflects that when people usually list two things, they then talk about "former" before the "latter" and I just mixed up the two words. I still don't see how you could see this in any way as a slip. Are you saying I meant to say that Dormio!scum thinks people are scummy and Dormio!town likes to tunnel people just because?

Re: trying hard. Yes. However, and this is the crux of the whole meta argument here, if you're busy doing schoolwork or games or hats or whatever, then your activity in mafia won't really matter that much and what shows is the attitude you bring to the game. It's not like you don't lurk as scum, it's just that you enjoy scum better because you have a gameplan.

Cutting myself.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #173 on: January 12, 2014, 11:28:57 PM »
Continuing:
Look at how little effort goes into this post because Conq is getting complacent.
He's pretty sure I'll be an easy lynch because I'm busy playing vidya games, so he doesn't feel the need to put nearly as much effort into explaining anything he does.
Given that I was literally running out the door and stated as such that I need to leave in that post, this attack is along the lines of Dormio attacking NNR for being conveniently absent from the thread in Mirai Nikki when NNR lost his internet access. Seriously. But since I actually have the time to sit down and explain now...

I mean, I do find Conq to be agreeable almost all of the time, but absolutes are a pretty dangerous thing.
The fact that Conq is trying to use this as a point just goes to show how arrogant he's feeling right now since he feels that easy lynch coming.
Agreed, absolutes are a dangerous thing and you did read me as scum in NotV. But seeing as you attacked me on the basis of "he knows my meta" (ignoring that while talking to me you talked about changing up your scum meta in the future) and "lol scumslip" as opposed to something that would make sense like "paranoia," I'm inclined to see all this as posturing.

Like, I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
The fact that Conq is using lazy points like this is just further demonstrating his current arrogance.
The point is that you were either being facetious (in which case why are you making a joke vote so late in the day) or you were faking conviction because I still cannot see how that could be interpreted as a slip. Why don't we ask the crowd of players here how many people think that could be remotely seen as a slip as opposed to a miswording? It would be like saying Serela forgetting who he was voting was a slip on his part. That fact that you apparently think that this is supposed to demonstrate my "current arrogance" is I suspect a statement designed to try to piss me off because the logic doesn't flow and I know you're a logical person.

And yet, despite making this point, Conq tried to say that my not trying hard is related to myself being scummy.
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Seeing as I never said anything of the sort...well yeah, I think you're just making stuff up at this point.

It basically all culminates in this post anyway, where Conq basically just claims I'm doing something with absolutely nothing to back himself up because he feels that he doesn't need it since I'm being super lazy.
I've backed up my points, however much you want to deny them. You disagree? Point it out and then we'll see how it stands up in front of everyone instead of having you make these insinuations.

After that, we have nothing but pokes and prods on other people again. :derp:
Precisely, exactly what I do in the game of mafia, thanks for telling everyone Dormio.  :) What was the point of this? Are you trying to insinuate that I have no scumreads or that I'm not pushing scum? Except you can't do that because it's not true?

Your move, Dormio.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #174 on: January 12, 2014, 11:50:41 PM »
eh, regarding some recent stuff...
where is nnr , seriously

o4rfish you dont argue for policy lynches at such a time,  not when theres 2/3 of an actual day left. moreover, you sheeping for the sake of sheep is also baffling , theres the aforementioned dormio and nnr and whoever can be argued for a lynch at your time of posting and i simply do not understand why wont you just point out how null they are yourself and vore.

to dormio v conq, since you guys are not finished i will wait. but i buy dormino scum more at this point.a

i still dont understand serela and cheese but i guess i dont have a say about them so meh

i will gladly hammer whoever that is nnr, oarfish and dormio at this point
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #175 on: January 12, 2014, 11:51:47 PM »
Everybody loves quote wars.

Oh no, I remember these perfectly. The only thing I was trying to do was get some discussion going and possibly a read on Cheez8 based on his response, because his initial vote on DNA slightly pinged me (why vote DNA while agreeing that Dormio is hated) so I wanted to poke around a little. To paint this as me trying to "look like an active contributor" is laughable because guess what? I was trying to get something started. Am I lording that around like it means you should townread me for me? No, absolutely not. I dropped the line completely because I didn't get anything from it and my next posts were about other stuff.
The sheer volume of fluff makes me think otherwise.

Bringing me to Dormio's next point.Yes, absolutely. And? This has always been an integral part of my towngame, and you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable? I question people. I don't try to piss off people unless they piss me off first, because mafia is a game I like to enjoy, not scream in.
The last sentiment here is blasphemy.
Anyway, I dunno about you, but I'm pretty sure I've been pretty paranoid about people making lots of weak pokes in the early game in the past so you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable?

Compared to your activity? Yeah, yeah I do, and anyone can see this. And I didn't actually say that either, so that's another point for me.
So I like how you just outright stated it here as opposed to implying it before, and then have the gall to say that you didn't say it.

If you actually read that post instead of skimming it you'd see that the "meta" point was just a tack-on. The part I was voting for you was the complacency about the Serela vote.
because even if Dormio is too busy playing around with his new computer, I see this post:as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him. Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."
I don't know about you, but this looks like more than just a tack-on to me.

In fact, the wording in that sentence reflects that when people usually list two things, they then talk about "former" before the "latter" and I just mixed up the two words. I still don't see how you could see this in any way as a slip. Are you saying I meant to say that Dormio!scum thinks people are scummy and Dormio!town likes to tunnel people just because?
Yes, actually.

Re: trying hard. Yes. However, and this is the crux of the whole meta argument here, if you're busy doing schoolwork or games or hats or whatever, then your activity in mafia won't really matter that much and what shows is the attitude you bring to the game. It's not like you don't lurk as scum, it's just that you enjoy scum better because you have a gameplan.
And yet you mentioned nothing about my attitude?
Alright then.

Given that I was literally running out the door and stated as such that I need to leave in that post, this attack is along the lines of Dormio attacking NNR for being conveniently absent from the thread in Mirai Nikki when NNR lost his internet access. Seriously. But since I actually have the time to sit down and explain now...
Well, how am I meant to know that?
I do like how you frame this as though I've done a terrible thing though, since I am clearly at fault for you having not given an explanation.

Agreed, absolutes are a dangerous thing and you did read me as scum in NotV. But seeing as you attacked me on the basis of "he knows my meta" (ignoring that while talking to me you talked about changing up your scum meta in the future) and "lol scumslip" as opposed to something that would make sense like "paranoia," I'm inclined to see all this as posturing.
I don't really think that there's anything I can really respond to in this sentence.
I mean, I don't really get the difference here so whatever, if you feel like explaining it in some more depth for me I'd appreciate that.

The point is that you were either being facetious (in which case why are you making a joke vote so late in the day) or you were faking conviction because I still cannot see how that could be interpreted as a slip. Why don't we ask the crowd of players here how many people think that could be remotely seen as a slip as opposed to a miswording? It would be like saying Serela forgetting who he was voting was a slip on his part. That fact that you apparently think that this is supposed to demonstrate my "current arrogance" is I suspect a statement designed to try to piss me off because the logic doesn't flow and I know you're a logical person.
The logic flowed in my mind, and still does, and that's all that matters to me.

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Seeing as I never said anything of the sort...well yeah, I think you're just making stuff up at this point.
Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."
I dunno about you, but this looks like it to me.

I've backed up my points, however much you want to deny them. You disagree? Point it out and then we'll see how it stands up in front of everyone instead of having you make these insinuations.
:)

Precisely, exactly what I do in the game of mafia, thanks for telling everyone Dormio.  :) What was the point of this? Are you trying to insinuate that I have no scumreads or that I'm not pushing scum? Except you can't do that because it's not true?
I'm trying to say that what you're doing does little more than generate mild interest in you that isn't likely to go anywhere which keeps you in the back of the minds of various people without actually having really done anything which I think is a great position for scum to be in.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #176 on: January 13, 2014, 12:12:33 AM »
The sheer volume of fluff makes me think otherwise.
No fluff at all. I said a few sentences, and then dropped them later completely because I didn't get anything out of them. The only reason we're talking about it is because you brought it up because?

Anyway, I dunno about you, but I'm pretty sure I've been pretty paranoid about people making lots of weak pokes in the early game in the past so you picking this game to suddenly pick it out and painting it as the scummiest of things to do is completely laughable?
This is just going to go in circles forever. Yeah, people making weak pokes in the game and not doing anything else is scummy, but how am I doing that, and especially given the context of what you're pointing out, which is in the early part of D1, the worst day of mafia to play on? (this is why replacements are superior)

So I like how you just outright stated it here as opposed to implying it before, and then have the gall to say that you didn't say it.
Hey man, if I didn't say it, I didn't say it. But what's the relevance of this anyways?

I don't know about you, but this looks like more than just a tack-on to me.
I dunno about you, but I dunno about you thinking that looks more than just a tack-on. Since you're saying differently, ball's in your court. How is that so?

Yes, actually.
::) This is why I think this push of yours is fake. Since when have I ever described your play like that? You know I've stated differently in the past.

And yet you mentioned nothing about my attitude?
Alright then.
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I see this post as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him.
This is what I was talking about. It's complacency with the status quo as opposed to, you know, actually looking for scum.

Well, how am I meant to know that?
I do like how you frame this as though I've done a terrible thing though, since I am clearly at fault for you having not given an explanation.
Given that I explicitly said I had to go in the post, um, by reading it? The important thing is this. What's your reaction to that post now that you know that? The fact that there's absolutely no reevaluation from you after your supposed discovery of this fact is incredibly suspect.

I don't really think that there's anything I can really respond to in this sentence.
I mean, I don't really get the difference here so whatever, if you feel like explaining it in some more depth for me I'd appreciate that.
I'm saying you're arguing that I'm scum based on shitty reasoning that I think is beyond you as town. Capiche?
The logic flowed in my mind, and still does, and that's all that matters to me.
Sugoi monogatari, onii-chan.
I dunno about you, but this looks like it to me.
Nope. I wasn't referring to your lack of activity there, but the complacency with the Serela vote for completely unexplained and mysterious reasons. See above.
:)
:3
I'm trying to say that what you're doing does little more than generate mild interest in you that isn't likely to go anywhere which keeps you in the back of the minds of various people without actually having really done anything which I think is a great position for scum to be in.
...Which is a great position for scum to be in, true. It's also a great position for town to be in. This is the equivalent of saying that since I'm a human being I must be a female, ignoring that both males and females can be human.

A toi, Dormio.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #177 on: January 13, 2014, 12:26:49 AM »
No fluff at all. I said a few sentences, and then dropped them later completely because I didn't get anything out of them. The only reason we're talking about it is because you brought it up because?
Because I see it as scummy. This isn't going to go anywhere like this.

This is just going to go in circles forever. Yeah, people making weak pokes in the game and not doing anything else is scummy, but how am I doing that, and especially given the context of what you're pointing out, which is in the early part of D1, the worst day of mafia to play on? (this is why replacements are superior)
Because I still don't like your Cheez8 questioning and think it was a weak and lazy attempt to look productive, don't think the poking of Shadoweh is meaningful, and others.

Hey man, if I didn't say it, I didn't say it. But what's the relevance of this anyways?
Just adding to the whole arrogance thing.

I dunno about you, but I dunno about you thinking that looks more than just a tack-on. Since you're saying differently, ball's in your court. How is that so?
I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you saying that I would give more than "lol selery" is the main point.

::) This is why I think this push of yours is fake. Since when have I ever described your play like that? You know I've stated differently in the past.
You have? I don't recall.

This is what I was talking about. It's complacency with the status quo as opposed to, you know, actually looking for scum.
What if Serela is scum?!

Given that I explicitly said I had to go in the post, um, by reading it? The important thing is this. What's your reaction to that post now that you know that? The fact that there's absolutely no reevaluation from you after your supposed discovery of this fact is incredibly suspect.
Did you?
Oh, I actually parsed that differently.
I read it as you saying that you're just going to ignore SP for the time being to respond to me.
Re-evaluation comes later because right now I'm just responding to the points you're giving me because I'm trying to get $$$.

I'm saying you're arguing that I'm scum based on shitty reasoning that I think is beyond you as town. Capiche?
Okay then.

Sugoi monogatari, onii-chan.
Isn't it?

I wasn't referring to your lack of activity there, but the complacency with the Serela vote for completely unexplained and mysterious reasons. See above.:3
Well see above for me too or something.

...Which is a great position for scum to be in, true. It's also a great position for town to be in. This is the equivalent of saying that since I'm a human being I must be a female, ignoring that both males and females can be human.
I didn't know you were a girl!
I think it's more beneficial for scum so whatever.

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A toi, Conquiche.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #178 on: January 13, 2014, 12:55:08 AM »
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Because I see it as scummy. This isn't going to go anywhere like this.
Good for you? It's not scummy though. Seriously, do you want me to bring up past examples of me doing stuff like that as town? Or would that be a useless venture because you'd keep harping on it regardless?
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Because I still don't like your Cheez8 questioning and think it was a weak and lazy attempt to look productive, don't think the poking of Shadoweh is meaningful, and others.
If we're going to use meta, I don't do "weak questioning" as scum. I just wait until people make dumb mistakes and just pounce on them without attempting to really dig in there. The poking of Shadoweh isn't meant to mean anything than to get her to post in a game she was supposedly pumped to sign up for. You're assigning motivations to my questioning like I'm a manipulative bastard carefully controlling my public image when I'm just asking people questions. What's up with that?
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Just adding to the whole arrogance thing.
Facts are facts no matter how much you spin them.
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I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you saying that I would give more than "lol selery" is the main point.
Well, it's not, and despite how you keep insisting it is, it still isn't (not to mention the main point always goes before the side points in writing but whatever). But how's this? Now that I've outright stated that my reason for suspecting you was not based on meta, what do you think about your statement that after posting mostly using logic I made a case on you solely through "meta?"
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You have? I don't recall.
Dude, I've talked to you enough about mafia that I don't believe that you believe that I believe that you tunnel on people as town just for the heck of it. If you're actually telling the truth here, what the fuck Dormio.
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What if Serela is scum?!
Given the way your approached your Serela vote and stated reasoning that's like NNR policy voting DNA and saying "but what if DNA is scum????" Also if Serela is scum, then you jumped off scum to attack town for ??? and I either hate you or want to lynch you with fire, depending.
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Did you?
Oh, I actually parsed that differently.
I read it as you saying that you're just going to ignore SP for the time being to respond to me.
Re-evaluation comes later because right now I'm just responding to the points you're giving me because I'm trying to get $$$.
Dormio, I'm not you, I don't ignore people, even when they piss me off I spend the time to yell at them until the mods warn me to back off or eat modkill. :colbert:
Deadline is in less than half a day. Waiting for "re-evaluation" when you don't have much else on the table is >_>.
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I didn't know you were a girl!
I think it's more beneficial for scum so whatever.
Only on the internet. And I'm still town, so whatever? Lurking is beneficial to scum but are all lurkers scum?

Now I'm just annoyed.


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #179 on: January 13, 2014, 12:57:17 AM »
SP I'm going to dissect your vote on Dan later but I have to go right now and:
Actually I'm looking at this again to see how you could have parsed it differently and I'm not seeing it. >_>


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