Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3

[Cheez8]

cheez, what the fuck. your intial vote on me was followed by an explaination of someone else. and when you are asked to explain shit you just deny well this isnt what i mean literally lol. the fuck. i dont understand that, but effort whatever.

I was switching from one RVS vote to another, Darkie. I get that it would be helpful for everyone to have logic in their votes but RVS votes really just don't have that.
I did make a post where I used logic to keep my vote on you, though! Please stop ignoring that one and focusing on ones which I literally cannot justify (which isn't helping your case, by the way.)

Also yay I can start getting vague reads now

[Raikaria]

Votecount of the !!Kitten!!

Dormio (1): Fortress Populous
CF7 (2): Shadoweh; Sky_Paladin
Shadoweh (2): ActionDan; Conq
Darkninjaabc (3): CF7; Cheez8; NNR
ActionDan (1): O4rfish
Serela (1): Dormio
Conq (1): Darkninjaabc
Sky_Paladin (3): SB; Zakeri; Serela

Not Voting (0): No-one ^_^

Deadline is here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140113T1130&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

##Unvote ##Vote CF7

##Unvote ##Vote SkyPaladin

how2type correct names

How 2 Unvote when you were not voting Serela :V

[DNAbc]

ok

zak. what you think is meta aka that bullying the most wordy player for content i can understand. but apparantly there exist people other than you yourself voting and how can you ensure even first timers to the game, me, practically everyone not you understand your so called meta. this is also exactly why i am asking people to explain shit themselves, as opposed to you explaining for everyone.

just so everyone will actually read my shit, i am gonna tldr every point i make.

tldr, zak is not you, the reader. what he thinks is right may not be what you think, hence i am asking for you to justify shit yourself.

to cheez. is it your scummeta to willfully misunderstand shit? i am obviously referring to this post

I don't really think that three votes during RVS counts as people flipping out on you. That's pretty normal, honestly, and it strikes me as odd that you're trying to defend yourself already. It's also the only vaguely suspicious thing I've noticed so far, so I'm keeping my vote on you for real now.

...Also I just re-checked the votecount and it says with 13 players it's 8 to lynch. I guess there's really something more to .....

and i said, explictly. your response, aka the quote. is shit. i am extremely clear in stating my stance and my justification for flipping out referring to this post. how would you assume that i am attacking your rvs other than this obvious display of logic you mentioned is beyond me.

tldr, cheez is making a retarded assumption i am attacking his rvs logic rather than the above quote where he obviously included his own analysis.

this is bullshit
##Unvote
##vote:cheez8

[Serela]

or wait I think I was supposed to vote CF7 yeah

I don't know why I thought I had it wrong? >_>;

##unvote ##vote cf7

[Serela]

why does darkie have "meta" in like half of the sentences in his posts, meta is not -that- important

[Cheez8]

to cheez. is it your scummeta to willfully misunderstand shit?
...
and i said, explictly. your response, aka the quote. is shit. i am extremely clear in stating my stance and my justification for flipping out referring to this post. how would you assume that i am attacking your rvs other than this obvious display of logic you mentioned is beyond me.

Believe me, Darkie, I am doing my best to understand what you're saying. I thought I was succeeding, too!
As for you being "extremely clear"...

cheez, what the fuck. your intial vote on me was followed by an explaination of someone else. and when you are asked to explain shit you just deny well this isnt what i mean literally lol. the fuck. i dont understand that, but effort whatever.

...Every way I look at it, this sounds like you're talking about my response to Paladin, where I explained why I swapped my RVS vote. I really can't see how any of this quote applies to the post where I listed an actual reason to keep my vote on you.

If we're talking about that post though, yeah, I agree. It was a pretty weak reason. You haven't done much since then to make me change my mind though, and the only reasons I can come up with to vote for anybody else so far are even worse.

[Cheez8]

Oh wait I think I finally know what you're talking about. Were you talking about this post?

I wasn't criticizing your logic from earlier this game, I was talking how confused you made me in previous games. And I don't know why you're calling my vote serious this early in the game.

But okay.

If so... yeah, no, you were definitely not "extremely clear" in stating your stance.

[Sky_Paladin]

Zakeri;
Confirmation bias is a logical error, but both townies and mafia can make this mistake, so it's not useful as a discriminatory factor. 

I voted for CF7 because his reason of voting for DNA seemed fake.  Townies don't need to lie.  This looked like a lie!  Therefore, I voted for the one who I thought was scum. 

***

ActionDan

at least one of shadoweh and Conq are town

Conq's vote on shadoweh would be unusual if it occurred with both of them scum at that time

This is useless. 

"Conq's vote on Shadoweh would be unusual if it occured with both of them scum at that time" = Conq's vote on Shadoweh is unusual if both of them are scum. 

But there is a vote so this is saying...what.  One of them must be town and the other is therefore scum?  What's your point here?

They can't both be scum?  Could they both be town?  It's day 1 and RVS.  Scum can (and do!) vote for scum. 

I think making a nonsense argument and then handwaving it as 'experience' isn't helpful. 

***

Serela
Why Serela is voting for CF7
Oops, Serela meant to write Sky
No wait they really meant CF7

Reasons:

Probably the most disagreeable logic I've seen so far that isn't obviously stemming from RVS (or Darkie). At this point in the game that's satisfying enough of a vote for me

This was apparently in response to something I said, but Serela accidentally voted for CF7.  Then they switched to me. 
But then Serela switched back to CF7 a little later, because...

or wait I think I was supposed to vote CF7 yeah

I don't know why I thought I had it wrong? >_>;

Serela, why did you really vote for CF7?

***

I think Serela's (missing reasons) are more serious than Dan's junk argument and my feeling about CF7's motives. 

Therefore:
##unvote
##vote Serela

[Cheez8]

Um... I don't really see where any of the suspicion towards CF7 is coming from. I'm not getting any scum reads from his posts, really.

I guess I suspect Dan a little bit right now though. His contribution is pretty baseless for a post of that nature, especially so early, so I guess he could be trying to mislead people. Then again it's kind of a weird way to mislead people, but then again it's just sort of a weird post in the first place, so I'm not too sure what to think.

...Not getting too much to go from otherwise, though, other than thinking SB's reasoning seems refreshingly town-like for whatever reason, and not trusting Darkie. I could probably have a read on Serela by now but I don't even know which of his posts I should be looking at.

[Serela]

I voted for CF7 sheeping what I quoted from Zakeri. Then I looked at it again and got confused >_>;;; Uh. I didn't get enough sleep the night before.

It's pretty much just a sheep though, so yeah, the quote is the entirety of the reasoning.

I have no idea why I even thought it was supposed to be you, I think I had some thoughts on you that weren't related and then I mixed them all up when trying to review what I'd done. You weren't actually relevant to my post at all.

[WHMZakeri]

So in order to understand you, That quote you took from Sky_paladin was there because you agreed with the reasoning, not because you disagreed with it.

Your post is vague enough that I and maybe a few others had completely thought it was the opposite of that, so switching back to CF7 the second time made you look really bad.

[Serela]

I... wasn't that a quote from you

oh it was from skypaladin

so that's why I got confused and voted SkyPaladin. Oops.

But no I agreed with the quote.

[Serela]

This is a lesson that I need to continue to put the names on quotes like I usually do >_>;

[Serela]

Now I feel bad because I went back and reread Zakeri's posts and found it and realized why I went "Oh wait I wanted to vote SkyPaladin", because the quote was from SkyPaladin and Zakeri used it as a reason SkyPaladin was scum and I agreed with that.

Oh my god now I'm just confusing myself.

I'm going to go take a nap.

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm back from me work under tha fort.

DNA is mos undwarvenly wit' his reactions. A true dwarf would nah panic so greatly wit' a couple ah RVS votes. I am suspicious ah him nah bein' a dwarf, ta say the leas'.

Ah was lookin' at Paladin's problem everyone has been goin' on ahbout fer the longest time, and finally figured out ah had been reading it wrong tha whole time. Ah thought it was a bit strange that folks would put that much reaction over one single post, bein' more reactionary then the post the were callin' reactionary. I do think thah it is pretty strange a dwarf like S_P would accuse another dwarf of panicin' over three votes.

Ah the same time I cannae help but think there may be filthy Elves among tha naysayers fer Paladin, but ah have no definite idea as ta who it maht be.

I think I'll keep mah vote where it is for nah. If anythin', DNA's unreadable posts and flurries of strange logic should be ah matter o' policy to rid us of until he improves. The way he explodes mo' then S_P is of note as well. He's gah' notin more to worry bout then what he himself is stirring.

[WHMZakeri]

Serela, please stop being cute.

[Cheez8]

Welp.

On the bright side I'd imagine Serela would have been a lot more careful than that as scum, so that makes for a pretty solid townread.

[Serela]

I don't know whether to be happy or concerned this occurs on a regular basis

[CF7]

Ok, Selery is his usual d1 self, which is ~unhelpful~. But i guess he's town enough for now.
Darkie is a bit complicated. He's somewhat his usual self too, but i'm leaning on the scummy side on him. Can't exactly pin it down.
From Cheez's answers to Darkie i'd say he's town.
As is Sky_P.

Not much to say about the rest, i guess need more posts.
Anyway, i guess i'll just go to sleep early and reread stuff tomorrow. Also i'll probably leave my vote where it is at the moment.
P.S. Darkie do you get some perks for saying the word "shit" every other sentence? Just curious.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Holy shit, I'm in full ham mode and forgot that posting was a thing I was meant to do.
Either way, I'm pretty happy with keeping my vote on Serela for now.

[SB]

i find dna's posts so much easier to read when i just get microsoft sam to read them

maybe its because i'm not actually reading them

Anyway.

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR


He basically called Sky scummy, then turned around and said "but there are probably some scum pushing on Sky too!" without saying who or why he thought that, and then pretty much said "we should policy DNA", which is a great way to avoid the blame if he flips town, and then essentially we're back to day 1, even with a scumflip.

Sky's Serela vote post doesn't make me feel much better about him, not so much his reasons for a Serela vote (although serela probably did just screw up in hindsight but its a null tell in that case) but his Dan suspicions pretty much seem to be based on the fact that Dan is playing like Dan. Seriously, he does this shit every game.

CF7, earlier you said you were considering voting for Sky, but then you turned around and said he's town? How did that happen?

[SB]

OH MY GOD

I JUST DISCOVERED THE QUICK REPLY FEATURE

I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT

[WHMZakeri]

Holy shit, I'm in full ham mode and forgot that posting was a thing I was meant to do.
Either way, I'm pretty happy with keeping my vote on Serela for now.

Does Serela's recent failures add or subtract from this decision?

[WHMZakeri]

In review of SB's case: ##Unvote Sky_Paladin
##Vote: NekoNekoRex

I agree with both of distancing from DNA's lynch and empty content on Sky's wagon. I feel like this is more important than the thing I had on Sky that I've almost already forgotten.

[BigBangMeteor]

OH MY GOD

I JUST DISCOVERED THE QUICK REPLY FEATURE

I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT

holy shit so did I

[Conqueror]

play. and i want conq to explain his reads

Gut. B)

Also, I wasn't really calling out Shadoweh for lurking (lol 24 hours since day start), but more picking on her because Shadoweh is fun to poke and you usually get nice reactions from wagoning her.

Darkninja, I can't follow any of your reasoning especially when you're just throwing clusterfuck bombs out. Tone down the language and cut out unnecessary words. >_>

Serela flying off a logic bridge is nothing new and also non alignment indicative. :V I just want him to make a coherent post when he wakes back up because I still have no idea what he's talking about upon rereading.

I think Serela's (missing reasons) are more serious than Dan's junk argument and my feeling about CF7's motives.

Sky_Paladin, could you explain what you mean by this? I mean I know what you mean by missing reasons, but what makes it more "serious" and thus more deserving of a vote?

I'm in half agreement with the votes on NNR; I want him to explain who he thinks is the scum picking on Sky_Paladin since the way he casually threw that out is the scummiest part of his post imo.

But right now I'm going to
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
because even if Dormio is too busy playing around with his new computer, I see this post:

Holy shit, I'm in full ham mode and forgot that posting was a thing I was meant to do.
Either way, I'm pretty happy with keeping my vote on Serela for now.

as Dormio taking advantage of Serela not making any sense to just stick to him. Like I'm pretty sure Dormio as town here would give us something other than just "oh hey sup btw I'll just keep my Serela vote here."

[Conqueror]

Difference between Dormio!town and Dormio!scum is that the latter sticks to someone because he thinks they're scummy and the former sticks to someone because he can.

[Conqueror]

I'm in half agreement with the votes on NNR; I want him to explain who he thinks is the scum picking on Sky_Paladin since the way he casually threw that out is the scummiest part of his post imo.

A better way to phrase this is that I want NNR to explain why he thought there were scum pushing Sky_Paladin.

[Shadoweh]

Gut. B)

Also, I wasn't really calling out Shadoweh for lurking (lol 24 hours since day start), but more picking on her because Shadoweh is fun to poke and you usually get nice reactions from wagoning her.

I'm ignoring you because I'm onto you, you know. STOP POKING ME!
Also, shouldn't that be the other way around with Dormio?

Serela has confused his own scumpartners before so he really hasn't done something I'd consider Sereley enough yet to be obvtown. Actually this is the kind of thing I would expect if Sky P is his scumbuddy and he thought Zak was catching his obvscum partner. Serela if you could take it from the top with who is scummy and why, that would be super friends great.

[ActionDan]

Phone post like first one ever.  Keeping vote on shadowed because I can.

Um I believe Nnr has a pr.
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