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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #600 on: November 25, 2013, 03:02:18 AM »
That's ... that's actually pretty valid when I look at the post, but I still want to argue that it's scum's job to get mislynches and that adding that would cement the case on Dan more even if it was bs.

Ugh, it's a horrible feeling trying to ignore evidence like this,

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Then why are you?
Because I'm still the most certain that Schezo is scum compared to everyone else.
Yes I can see this rebuttal coming a mile away.

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #601 on: November 25, 2013, 03:10:29 AM »
It's okay Zakeri I feel kind of similar

but I know that if I let everything like that stop me I would have NO SCUMREADS IN THIS GAME AT ALL >_>;
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #602 on: November 25, 2013, 03:18:31 AM »
Haven't quite finished rereading the game, but I feel compelled to say things now for some reason.

Reading D1 in particular made me remember that I had reasons to think Schezo was suspicious and reading recent posts kind of helps convince me that he's probably worth voting for. I also still have leftover Paladin suspicion though so I still wouldn't be against voting him. Rereading Zakeri's posts still doesn't give me the warm fuzzies or anything but I'm at least going to shelve my suspicions of him for the time being since I don't see enough reason to not believe him right now.

##Vote: Schezo

Honestly, that rule argument he brought up against Dan's claim was completely off and a lot of his other arguments were too. I don't know if he usually makes more sense but I don't really know if I see that as evidence that he's town.

Still haven't seen a good reason to suspect IHNN.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #603 on: November 25, 2013, 04:16:32 AM »
Going to sleep. After thinking it over more, yeah, that'd be a pretty silly reason not to vote Schezo. With some time to let my thoughts sink in, the lingering one about "scum could have just had it occur to them randomly and decided to point it out for shits and giggles" settled down as a "Yeah I guess that probably -would- be realistic enough".

Deciding Zakeri was town was kind of similar to this reason I was thinking about for Schezo, except it was a lot of things that just kept happening from Zakeri repeatedly (rather then an isolated incident) and most of them made little to no sense from a scum perspective.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #604 on: November 25, 2013, 05:21:48 AM »
I'm Bird the pro- pru- protagonist. Vanilla town. Fuck the rules I'll google how to get out of my egg.

Lynch NNR then IHNN when you inevitably decide to kill me.  tyia

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #605 on: November 25, 2013, 07:29:15 AM »
Lots of walls that feel like no one is actually reading my posts make this game horribly demotivational. Not even in the misinterprety sense, in the everyone-has-me-filtered sense. Like multiple people that claim to not see reasons to suspect IHNN (Serela and Cheez I remember, there might have been more?) despite the fact that I pointed out a pretty damn good one yesterday and pointed it out again today.

I keep forgetting that IHNN being disabled makes me think he's probably not scum. But I guess it could be a gambit?

This also needs to be nipped in the bud. I disabled IHNN. I didn't get the chance to reread the game and realize what I did about NNR's approach to D2 because I spent the entire day busy (and most of it away from home), so IHNN's suspect handling of Dan's claim stuck out the most in my mind.

As long as I'm roleclaiming, I was roleblocked Night 1 in my attempt to disable Schezo. This was a ~*~super secret~*~ part of my openness to voting for Sky Paladin; he claimed targeting me N1 with an action whose effects are impossible to verify when he could have been seen targeting me by a Watcher.

These implications irritate me beyond belief.
First off, I was very sure Dan was scum. Why wouldn't I? It was very well-reflected in my vote. He was scum who made a really awful (and convienent) claim to getting caught via crumb by the weak tracker, which he made all the more apparent by the one taboo of town, self-voting.
Dan's trying to wave the claim also pissed me off, trying to imply, I, NekoRex, the eternal Town Miller, doesn't know know how to play Miller roles, is simply absurd. I think I've had the role or a variant or claimed it 4 or 5 times since I've been here? That is pretty bloody often.

I don't know why it's such a crime I can't have a good idea, either. Yes, it wasn't a good idea in hindsight, but I thought it would be the best idea with what we knew. I took into the account the possibilities and risks I could think of and offered it. He was confirmed scum, so why not take the opportunity?
It's really bad that you think I need to stall to "keep from admitting I believed the claim". Why would I ever believe it? I have no reason to. That's horribly far fetched.

You missed the point of what I was getting at. Let's review my initial assertion.

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So I'm thinking that Dan being a Miller meant that scum would want him alive as a distraction for as long as possible.

How can scum try to keep Dan alive? By not voting for him, obviously. But like I explained on D2, Dan was a black-and-white issue; one either believed the miller claim and thought him town or didn't believe the miller claim and thought him scum. In order for scum to try to keep Dan alive, they are then forced to explain why they believed Dan's claim (so they can reasonably not vote for him), which, despite how close the trains were in the end, spent most of the day being a not very popular opinion (and was a difficult position to argue even when popularity is ignored).

What you did, however, was find a position to take that gave you an excuse to not vote for Dan while simultaneously not having to make up a reason why you didn't believe the miller claim, which allowed you to continue to publicly not believe the miller claim. (This even happened when you switched your vote to Schezo.)

The problem with that is:

He was confirmed scum, so why not take the opportunity?

Because Dan might have a harmful night action that he can use N2 if he's still alive. Because the scum team might have a Doctor that can save Dan from the vig shot. Because the scum team might have a Bus Driver or a Hijacker or some other redirecting role and can redirect the vig kill to someone else of their choosing. Because the scum team might have any number of other tools at their disposal to mess up a publicly-disccused plan of action.

Your proposed plan was incredibly flawed to the point of being beneficial to scum, and it was flawed for reasons 100% unrelated to the fact that the tracker was dead. It was a pro-scum proposal given to allow you to take a scummy action (accusing Dan of BSing his miller claim while not actually voting for him). This is why I believe you need to die.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #606 on: November 25, 2013, 08:01:03 AM »
uh oh. Kilga figured out the game is demotivational because of all the walls that aren't getting read.  Abort.

The role shenanigans you just posted about Sky Paladin make me call him scum based almost on that.  It lines up with his fakeclaim enough to give him an alibi to do scum agenda and so on. 

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #607 on: November 25, 2013, 08:28:12 AM »
##vote Schezo

Sigh I'm sure he is town, nobody will believe me anyway.  Let's go to LYLO and lynch me tomorrow and end the game. 
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #608 on: November 25, 2013, 08:44:24 AM »
##unvote
##vote Schezo
in case you want to be picky. 
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #609 on: November 25, 2013, 09:13:22 AM »
HAMMER SHUT UP

Re: An Untitled Mafia - Night 3
« Reply #610 on: November 25, 2013, 09:16:06 AM »
Night 3
Schezo (5) - NekoRex, Zakeri, Serela, Cheez8, Sky_Paladin (LYNCH!)
NekoRex (2) - Schezo, Kilgamayan
Sky_Paladin (2) - Darkninjaabc, I have no name
Not Voting (0): None!

Schezo, playing Bird, Vanilla Townie, game overed!

It is now Night 3. You have 23 hours to send in your night actions.

Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #611 on: November 26, 2013, 07:58:35 AM »
Day 4

Kilgamayan, playing Floretta, Town Disabler, collected all flowers and left this earth!
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Disabler (Active): Each night, you may ##Disable another player. Any abilities your target has that are marked Active or Passive will become unusable for the following day and night phase.

It is now Day 4. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Town will lose if they do not lynch correctly today. You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch target.

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #612 on: November 26, 2013, 08:07:25 AM »
Disabled again >_>

Sky, DNA, one of NNR/Zak.  That's my suspect list right now.  Sky for reasons I've already said (+cutting off discussion at the end of the day was scummy), DNA (well, partly by PoE but also because his play is seriously anti-town) and then PoE because I can't see Cheez or Serela as scum right now, even with looking back.  Between NNR/Zak I feel slightly more strongly about Zak as town THOUGH QT NUMBERS IMPLY IT'S HIM ;_;

I would laugh if the final 3 players alive are me/Serela/Zak, though.  I motion that if that happens we move play to the QT just to hide the final day from the graveyard  :V

Not voting because ~*LYLO*~ and fear of quickwin before the day can actually get started, but if I were to vote it'd probably be on Sky (though I wouldn't mind a DNA lynch)

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #613 on: November 26, 2013, 10:10:41 AM »
I'm eager to lynch Sky Paladin right now. He's a dead man for cutting off discussion like that, no way he can't be scum.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #614 on: November 26, 2013, 12:46:55 PM »
[/b]##:Vote Sky Paladin

Theres little need for elaboration really. Confscum.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #615 on: November 26, 2013, 03:33:24 PM »
To be entirely honest, I can't see myself voting anyone other then skypaladin at this point. It looks like he saw Kilga claim things incriminating him and immediately went "oh fuck better hammer Schezo before anyone has time to react to that".

The fact that he didn't even think Schezo is scum, and that quickhammering him obviously was going to make it far far more likely we'd lynch Sky over anyone else the next day, means that if SkyPaladin is town he SUPREMELY dropped the ball here >> He was definitely not a guarenteed lynch just from what Kilga said- it was Kilga, after all, so him getting roleblocked wasn't exactly a huge shock.

Anyway, the only other option I could possibly see here is turbolynching Darkie instead. And while I think it's likely he'd flip scum it's still practically a crapshoot.

I'll hold out so that if anyone has any important roleclaiming to do they can try to get it out. Darkie already voted Sky, but if Sky is town it's probably already GG for town anyway so w/e

I'll be around for another hour, before I have to leave for work. Also as funny as it'd be, 3p lylo with the three neighbors would have to involve scum nightkilling NNR or Darkie n5 :V (whichever we didn't lynch d4)
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #616 on: November 26, 2013, 03:42:30 PM »
Also as funny as it'd be, 3p lylo with the three neighbors would have to involve scum nightkilling NNR or Darkie n5 :V (whichever we didn't lynch d4)
whichever we didn't lynch d5*
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #617 on: November 26, 2013, 04:34:54 PM »
See you in 9 hours `-` Pof~
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #618 on: November 26, 2013, 05:09:37 PM »
Okay, wow. On top of already being suspicious, Paladin hammering Schezo like that was just... yeah. Wasn't he being overly cautious about avoiding hammers earlier in the game? That just drives the nail into the coffin even further.

Paladin would definitely be my top pick for scum right now but I guess it's a good idea to avoid voting in LYLO until everybody has enough discussion or something? I'm not really sure what exactly the reason for holding off is.

I also have trouble seeing Darkie as town, for what it's worth. I can't decide as easily on who a third scum would be but I'm actually pretty confident this time that it's not immediately important and I'll have a lot of time to think about it before it becomes crucial.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #619 on: November 26, 2013, 09:33:15 PM »
Egh, quickvote on LYLO isn't the best, even though there hasn't been a quickhammer already and SP is Totes Scum (tm)

I don't actually remember even seeing anything from Darkie in the last day phase...
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #620 on: November 26, 2013, 09:33:34 PM »
I'm not really sure what exactly the reason for holding off is.
If anyone misvotes, all the members of the scumteam can line up votes and go 1-2-3 and hammer the town player that was voted, securing a victory.

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #621 on: November 26, 2013, 09:34:01 PM »
It's more a paranoia thing than anything but when 1 false move loses the game it's sort of warranted.

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #622 on: November 26, 2013, 09:37:41 PM »
I'd like for everyone to be able to put in their two cents before we actually follow through on Sky.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #623 on: November 26, 2013, 10:00:18 PM »
Yeah, Sky is very blantantly scum hammering to the point where he knows he's going to get lynched today for it. It was actually a clever move to pack in another mislynch before we had to change our minds back onto him.

Scum should maybe think about shooting Darkie tonight. I notice that we're still not in *ylo, which means even if we lynch a townie and scum shoots a townie, the game still goes on. This means there's some combination of SK that can't win with Mafia alive as well as pointing to Dormio being mafia-scum. I wonder if the last one can survive an SK Shot after we lynch Sky.

Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #624 on: November 26, 2013, 10:58:18 PM »
Scum should maybe think about shooting Darkie tonight. I notice that we're still not in *ylo, which means even if we lynch a townie and scum shoots a townie, the game still goes on.
Town will lose if they do not lynch correctly today.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #625 on: November 26, 2013, 11:00:53 PM »
Dammit, I even read that post twice just to make sure.

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #626 on: November 26, 2013, 11:06:40 PM »
Zak:.second scum
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #627 on: November 27, 2013, 02:20:13 AM »
The only person who hasn't posted is skypaladin himself and we know he has no role-related info to give us unless he's lied about his role at some point (which would only be another reason to lynch him)

and regardless of what he says I'm pretty sure everyone here knows they'll lynch him anyway

Let's just, uh, do this already

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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #628 on: November 27, 2013, 02:28:30 AM »
I don't know what you want me to say.  Everything I said has been true.  Kilga even died as town, like I said from the very beginning. 

It's clear nobody is listening to me anyway.  GG.
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Re: An Untitled Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #629 on: November 27, 2013, 02:42:14 AM »
maybe you could try to explain hammering Schezo yesterday despite

A.Not thinking he's scum
B.Doing so would bring a lot of suspicion onto yourself

Not that I'm gonna consider not lynching you at this point, because the move screamed scum, but on the offchance you -are- town we can at least have a conversation about it

if you're scum though you might as well just self-hammer, someone's gonna do it before long assuredly
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