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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #270 on: October 21, 2013, 03:39:08 PM »
this is a horrible stretch, it's very possible for someone to raise the possibility of a SK when the ruleset outright tells you there'll be alternative wincons itg and the whole "didn't reveal until now" thing is literally nonsense

That might be true, but what do you think about the rest?

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #271 on: October 21, 2013, 03:52:24 PM »
I know it's 10:30 in the morning, but right now it's past bedtime, and that's the perfect time to begin too many iso rereads.

Conq: I can't find reasons for your switch to Mitsuki, what are they?

Shortly after my last post, CF7 claims Insomniac. I have no clue what Shadoweh's going on about, she seems way too confused.

Re: Mitsuki 136 - Looking back, I suppose you didn't say that.
In fact, I'm kind of struggling to figure out why I thought that the point of the post I was responding to was that you couldn't consolidate. I had to have read it wrong somehow.

The way CF7 talks about his role is making me regain whatever suspicions I had lost.
The part I don't like the most is how he tried to brush of Serela's pointing out that his role can be scum suited. Conq proved how a good scum can work with Insomniac, and it's even more of a moot point if what I'm reading about everyone being insomniac is true, since all it means is the game doesn't take a break after a lynch.

Re: Mitsuki 160 - I hope I've addressed most of that above (And yes I was uneasy about CF7 lynch at the time I posted that but change my mind again), but
"His claim is very easy to prove and it gives an advantage to town regardless of his alignment, so I think people voting him should reconsider and postpone the lynch."
I don't think this is strictly true. If he's scum, there could be a side that he's denying telling us. There's also the fact that if he's scum, he's scum, ergo lynch please.

Reading BT and Conq later is making me question my read again again. It's true there's more evidence to support he's just bein dumb than that he's lying, but that doesn't mean he's not lying is it? augh.

Quote from: Serious Bananas
Zak's #118 looks kind of like he's overreacting to the 2 MAN STRONG DARK WAGON and doesn't really give scumreads aside from CF7. Do you have any others?
"Over"reacting is subjective. I was simply reacting to the wagons that had more than one vote at the time. It's one of the many shortcuts I've come up with for this game.
If I had anything else at the time of writing, I would have put it down then, so sorry but no.

Re: Shadoweh 178 - If I vote switch to Raikaria can I go to bed?
ZZZ~<3

I also wanted to know why Mitsuki wanted a nameclaim from me, but it looks like from post 176 that the reason is most likely a "Town misreading role" thing.

Reached Rai's Doc Claim, and I'm seeing it as null so far. Doctor is commonly claimed by both sides, and the restriction doesn't really do anything except make their existence as doctor more fitting in a game setup.

Conq talking about SK existing doesn't mean he's the SK. in fact, I'd think the SK would be the last person to bring up the idea of a third party, because that only increases brain activity towards catching him/herself.

Everything I could say right now that's insight is being stolen by NNR as I'm writing this post.
Cut: And BT.

This post is kind of bad that all I came up with is Raikaria's doc claim is null. I still think CF7 is more likely to be not-town than Raikaria is, but I'm not adverse to bring the wagon to L-1 if it comes down to it.

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #272 on: October 21, 2013, 04:04:10 PM »
When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.

On the other hand his conviction about Raikaria being scum and such doesn't feel fake right now. I'd have to think about whether it seemed fake at the beginning though, but that wouldn't mean he's not a SK, that'd just be a SK voting someone.

I've erased the point that nobody seems to agree with. Please don't forget about this (mainly the first point).

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #273 on: October 21, 2013, 04:29:32 PM »
Tried reading Raikaria again and ended up reading the Pokemon X/Y thread.
Like I said before, I'm not ruling out possibilities of scum, but at the same time there's nothing ruling  "Is a member of the mafia" over "Is playing poorly" or "always acts like this."

I've already presented my point on the first point you're bring up Mitsuki.
I feel like Conq is just plain town at this point.

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #274 on: October 21, 2013, 04:54:04 PM »
Conq talking about SK existing doesn't mean he's the SK. in fact, I'd think the SK would be the last person to bring up the idea of a third party, because that only increases brain activity towards catching him/herself.

I remember "I Wanna be the Sereliest", where BBM (the SK) himself was the one to bring up the possibility of the existence of a SK.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #275 on: October 21, 2013, 05:12:32 PM »
I am going to reiterate |read|

also there is a known non-scum/non-town win con out there.  pay close attention to the "eliminate all other factions"  = not benign.  SK would be my first thought

Don't lynch me.

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #276 on: October 21, 2013, 05:18:50 PM »
I remember "I Wanna be the Sereliest", where BBM (the SK) himself was the one to bring up the possibility of the existence of a SK.

Point taken, but I'm speaking from personal experiences as SK when I say what I said above.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #277 on: October 21, 2013, 05:26:30 PM »
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Reading now.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #278 on: October 21, 2013, 05:34:34 PM »
IMO CF7 is town, he read to me as kinda newb town who is frustrated by darkninja's rants and probably got frustrated and paranoid when the game turned against him as a result. He screwed himself over by his own claim as well, for the second game in a row.

Really it's just a repeat of Mirai Nikki again. If there's going to be any time the playerbase doesn't D1 lynch a player for the same reasons three games in a row, it should be this one.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #279 on: October 21, 2013, 06:23:45 PM »
Not sure if reading thread made things better or worse. Probably the latter. Also i am concerned about forming new wagon, or rather time limit to do so. Somehow we reached a degree of uncertainity where i can't say who is the scummiest. Probably.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #280 on: October 21, 2013, 07:15:04 PM »
Actually the bigger problem is that I won't be around to hammer for long. Two hours give or take.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #281 on: October 21, 2013, 07:16:47 PM »
Uuuuuuuuuuugh I haven't read Raikaria yet but I'm going to sheep. I think he has more chances to be scum than CF7, although the claim makes me scared. orz

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
limited time here but i voted mitsuki at the time because the way in which mitsuki weaseled her vote onto raikaria without giving a clear opinion on rai or his claim is probably the scummiest thing ive seen thsi game.

the justification after the fact doesn't sell it for me because when was all this when I discussed it before? there was no reason to hold back until now and it reads like she's capitalizing on the situation.

also the implication that mitsuki would lynch me over everyone else for thinking there's an sk when it's the obvious assumption to make from what's given is pretty lulzy. I think she's playing dumb because hey mitsuki, what conclusion did you come to then, from "guaranteed third party" and "eliminate all other factions?"

And I'd be voting for anyone that was still pushing after someone claimed a Doctor without a counter-claim.

I've made my main case. I don't have any other points to argue. I've spoken about CF7 to death. Conq is pushing the Doc. Shadoweh has tunneled me all day.
raikaria pushing me on points i dropped already is hilariously bad but whatever. also ive claimed uncountered doc enough as scum to know that your reasoning on that line is completely bullshit. "conq is pushing the doc" is terrible for a vote reason when i'm one of the top three content producers in the game.

So let's repeat the question, raikaria. Is your case just the fact that i pressured you claim and nothing else? despite all the other people doing so? And if shadoweh has tunneled you all day and has literally done nothing except tunnel on you all day then what's the justification for you voting me over her?

yeah after talking to this im probably willing to vote raikaria again, this pushback of his is forced and doesnt line up with what he's been saying.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #282 on: October 21, 2013, 07:17:36 PM »
like ftr I think Mitsuki is suspect except I'm kind of looking at this
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033365.html#msg1033365
and it makes me want to think the slot is town
horrible towntells inc.
that's just a backtrack on a rolefish, it's not a towntell in any way.

mitsuki powerlynch wagon let's go. i know people have expressed interest. i would lynch her without a claim anyway, that's how confident i am. B)


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #283 on: October 21, 2013, 07:19:28 PM »
hmm actually deadlines. lemme make a vc real quick


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #284 on: October 21, 2013, 07:27:59 PM »
Conq (1) -  Raikaria
CF7 (2) -  Serela, Zakeri
Darkninjaabc (1) - Serious Bananas,
Raikaria (5) - Shadoweh, Darkninjaabc, Mitsuki, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex
Shadoweh (3) - Validon, Sky Paladin, CF7
Mitsuki (1) - Conq
Not Voting: BT


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Reminder that no majority = no lynch

shadoweh wagon is further along than i expect. mitsuki wagon probably not viable then. IF I DIE OVERNIGHT DO NOT LET MITSUKI SLIDE.
not interested in lynching shadoweh today. sure she's been pushing pretty hard on raikaria but raikaria has been scum all game so far.

##unvote
##vote: raikaria


zak what do you actually think about raikaria aside from his doc claim because that is the most serela post from you ive ever seen


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #285 on: October 21, 2013, 07:33:58 PM »
I think raikaria is legit mad but it's scum mad that their big plays didnt work out the way they wanted and whining about getting caught.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #286 on: October 21, 2013, 07:51:12 PM »
Heart Thumping Deadline

Song: Honey Heartbeat

Conqueror (1) - Raikaria
CF7 (2) - Serela, Zakeri
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas
Raikaria (6) - Shadoweh, Darkninjaabc, Mitsuki, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror
Shadoweh (3) - Validon, Sky Paladin, CF7
Not Voting: BT

||||(8%)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Raikaria is at L-2

Reminder that no majority = no lynch

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #287 on: October 21, 2013, 07:52:48 PM »
1) i'm not convinced raikaria wouldn't act this way as town when you have posts like this one pushing through nonchalantly (talking from his pov)

2) when was mitsuki's lost opportunity to chip in on raikaria before? that's a really good point if true

bleh this is probably a mislynch but i see nothing else working

someone hop on so i can hammer in the next hour

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #288 on: October 21, 2013, 07:54:26 PM »
there's actually no problem hammering """early""" considering nighttalk, except for raikaria so if he wants to say stuff it should obviously be now

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #289 on: October 21, 2013, 08:10:41 PM »
I think she's playing dumb because hey mitsuki, what conclusion did you come to then, from "guaranteed third party" and "eliminate all other factions?"

... I'd rather not explain that, but it sure gave me problems at the time.
Then I didn't really think about it again.
Don't ignore my other points!


Zakeri lynch wasn't happening, and I didn't think CF7 had chances of being scum, Darkie also looked townie and Raikaria was the only other wagon, while time was running out. I had no guarantee of being able to make my ISO and have an opinion, but my vote was needed. God, what did you want me to do? What would YOU have done that would be much better than any of what I did? wwwwwwwwwww
I'd totally spend my time to read Raikaria if I were scum, just so that you know. And what if there was no lynch? "Oh my god, I'm so sorry! I didn't have time to read~"
Seriously, this is ridiculous wwwwwwwwwwwwww

that's just a backtrack on a rolefish, it's not a towntell in any way.

Actually there are some players there who can say what it really was, but I'm not going to make them do that for me. (=w=u


By the way, if you want to ask me any questions, ask them now. I'm going to make Vhaltz replace in for me during the night. I had plenty of fun this game, but I'm too busy right now and I should focus on other things (>_<)

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #290 on: October 21, 2013, 08:12:13 PM »
I think you should vote Rai so BT hammers and gets his superpower. 

This is like > 50% chance scum lynch.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #291 on: October 21, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »
Conq's worry about getting NK'd before having anything to say is kinda moot, we all have night talk and CF7 isn't going to get lynched today.
I'd like to save a possible Shadoweh lynch for tomorrow. A Raikaria flip sheds a lot of light on Shadoweh'd probable alignment, and we have a lot more time to debate that during the commercial break.
I don't see Mitsuki getting support for a lynch today either, although I personally support one.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #292 on: October 21, 2013, 08:18:14 PM »
By the way, Conqueror, at that time I probably didn't have the time to think about what you said properly. I definitely read it, but I thought it was neutral or something. Then I took my time and I actually thought it was scummy.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #293 on: October 21, 2013, 08:32:16 PM »
ummm sb, serela, zak?

rai can selfvote if he feels like it

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #294 on: October 21, 2013, 08:39:43 PM »
1) i'm not convinced raikaria wouldn't act this way as town when you have posts like this one pushing through nonchalantly (talking from his pov)
i should stop trying to imitate huhwhat >_> but either way it does kinda read like my reaction to huhwhat from last game.

2) when was mitsuki's lost opportunity to chip in on raikaria before? that's a really good point if true
it's a general thing and not really provable but mitsuki has been promising a raikaria iso for the longest time and only just got to it.

I know this was already quoted although I don't really remember what was said about it. This are actually the worst reasons ever to place a vote, it's like "I know it's wrong because it didn't work on me, but now I'm using it because other people did!". The scummy part is that he actually recognizes what he's doing. I think that if town did this kind of thing they'd either be unconscious about it and deny what they're doing when others pointed it out while attempting to justify their actions as something else, or they'd notice they're being wrong and change their mind.

His reaction to getting lynched also seemed wrong; I'd expect him to complain again and be frustrated with everyone's votes, but he seems rather angry. This could be either scum getting frustrated or an important role to town getting lynched, though.
like the first thing was something i brought up all the way on page 4

cut by mitsuki's response. eh. what other points are you talking about?
your "WWWW WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE INSTEAD" feels like something i would post as scum in your situation. not to mention it's a bit of an overreaction?


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #295 on: October 21, 2013, 08:41:35 PM »
Zakeri lynch wasn't happening, and I didn't think CF7 had chances of being scum, Darkie also looked townie and Raikaria was the only other wagon, while time was running out. I had no guarantee of being able to make my ISO and have an opinion, but my vote was needed. God, what did you want me to do? What would YOU have done that would be much better than any of what I did? wwwwwwwwwww
I'd totally spend my time to read Raikaria if I were scum, just so that you know. And what if there was no lynch? "Oh my god, I'm so sorry! I didn't have time to read~"
Seriously, this is ridiculous wwwwwwwwwwwwww
id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #296 on: October 21, 2013, 08:42:09 PM »
lolllllllllllllll
after this i bet raikaria is scumdoc since wincon and ruleset imply sk

lynch ahoy~

Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him. I'm still not convinced Raikaria is at all scum. People have used the "oh he's not acting the same so CLEARLY he's scum." That was the same accusation leveled against me in Town Mafia (by SHADOWEH, no less), and guess what, I wasn't scum, was I?
In other words, I don't like Conq's case against Raikaria at all, Shadoweh has been on the tunneling train all day and it drives me nuts, and while lynching Raikaria could give information on Shadoweh's alignment, why not just lynch Shadoweh directly and find sooner rather than later? Sticking with my vote, I'm not hammering someone I'm reading as null.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #297 on: October 21, 2013, 08:44:22 PM »
Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him. I'm still not convinced Raikaria is at all scum. People have used the "oh he's not acting the same so CLEARLY he's scum." That was the same accusation leveled against me in Town Mafia (by SHADOWEH, no less), and guess what, I wasn't scum, was I?
In other words, I don't like Conq's case against Raikaria at all

tell me what about my case you don't like because you just cherrypicked one small bit of my case and completely ignored the rest~
the not acting the same as town is just icing on top of the cake.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #298 on: October 21, 2013, 08:47:10 PM »
Quote
lolllllllllllllll
after this i bet raikaria is scumdoc since wincon and ruleset imply sk

lynch ahoy~
Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him.
this is bullshit logic because it doesn't even make sense.
my point is that even if the doc claim is true it doesn't make him town, and im doubting the doc claim to begin with.
so how's this. why do YOU think raikaria is town? just for the claim?
LOOK AT MY WAGON GUYZ is such an easy argument to make when you're going down as scum because it barely takes any effort and leaves few ties behind. Raikaria's vote on me boils down to an OMGUS and that's all he's left us with.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #299 on: October 21, 2013, 08:49:08 PM »
validon can you just vote raikaria now so we don't have to wait 7 more hours (when i come back)

like, the shadoweh lynch isn't happening, don't be ridiculous please