The iDOLM@STER Mafia Thread 1 (Locked)

[BT]

I kind of get shadoweh but why conq

[Conqueror]

I don't even see a solid case

i mean if you seriously think this that proves that you aren't reading the game, i mean holy shit, that's some quality refuge in audacity right there. what have i been posting all day then?

im done here for tonight.

edit: he's just naming the biggest pushers of his wagon indiscriminately from what i can tell. his entire reaction fits "Scum Caught For The Wrong Reasons" imo.

[BT]

cnoq that comparison is wrong, his role in mirai nikki had a bunch of infoermation and I'd expect a doc claim to save me too if I didn't know better

I mean, would this be his first time as doc? I think so

[Conqueror]

well okay i guess an inventor claim has more parts to it than a doc claim now that you mention it >_>

expecting a doc claim to save you is fine, except when it's all you provide. there's a reason why doc is one of the more popular d1 scumclaims. you either survive because of claim or you out a counterclaim. not to mention i dont think mafia doctor is out of the question in this setup.

i want raikaria to give reads instead of getting all hussy about being run up. all i've seen from his is "cf7 is so scum guys" but it's a tired mantra and one that's easy to make.

[BT]

I actually lean town on his claim and him not being productive/cooperative/looking-for-the-right-word-here is kind of null

so yes Rai you should give reads

[Shadoweh]

Hmm. An even-night Doc. Raikaria, why did you claim the Even-Night part?

[CF7]

Hm... Now i want to lynch Raikaria even less.
Also he didn't claim even-night doc. He claimed he can't use his ability after successful save. Which is different.

[CF7]

Also i'll be away for ~5 hours.

[Shadoweh]

It's different but the same question applies.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Time Waits for Noone

Song: Vault That Borderline!

Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
CF7 (4) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (4) - Conq, Shadoweh, BT, CF7
Zakeri (2) - Mitsuki, ActionDan
Not Voting: Validon

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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Reminder that no majority = no lynch

[DNAbc]

After having a good night's sleep and reading over the entire thread again, I will postpone my lynch on CF7.

I only have a slight scumread on Raikaria at best, but his attitude to swap votes around and crowding on CF7 when he intially had a completely different opinion rings the bells.

I agree with conq and shadoweh though, starting off by lynching the suspicious is a good way since we still have the room to do so.

Addressing the so-called conq and i ''buddying'' each other thing, it is logically flawed. conq draws his scumtell on raikaria due to him swapping votes, just happen so because raikaria vote is placed on me. I do admit the fact that as I directly most of my attention to CF7, I do not present a detailed read to every single player in the game. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I DON'T even have a read, an opinion on each individual player.  I am but presenting cases of ones whom I deem most scummy in order.

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Give me just a moment to read up

[Validon98]

Okay I did some reading (not 100%, ack, I haven't been paying too much attention ;~;), and I'm not really on the mindset to vote Raikaria. I really don't like the whole "hey, Raikaria's not whining about being the Day 1 lynch, that's totally scummy!" idea. Everyone was on my case during Town Mafia just because I wasn't running around like a confused puppy asking questions (Shadoweh I'm looking at you). Also, Shadoweh does really seem to be gunning for Raikaria, and to be honest really, I'm not happy with that. >_>;
The only other thing off the top of my head that I can think of is Mitsuki's comment about simply voting a lurker if no decision could be reached, which irks me somewhat, but Serela going "NO IT'S TOTALLY SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE READING AS SCUM" (well, in less excitable terms, but, well...) irks me too.
Also don't even ask me about CF7 or Dark. That whole argument just got out of hand in my opinion and really we shouldn't vote CF7 at the moment because again, we can prove his claim overnight, which everyone just seems to forget that is on his wagon.
The thing is I'm not really reading anyone scummy, and I really don't want to potentially risk lynching a Doc. And I have to leave soon so I need to make a decision, so...

#Vote: Shadoweh

Useless vote is useless, but Shadoweh's super persistence on lynching Raikaria in spite of his claim really bugs me.

[DNAbc]

Raikaria's doc claim comes out a bit too soon, while conqXshadow pressurizing might be the reason, the general vibe I receive from him isn't convincing as a desperate core townie trying to save retard teammates.

Your earlier voteswaps could be bad plays, but I am leaning on more that they are simply scumtells.

##Vote: Raikaria

Anyway, wp man.

[Mitsuki]

One good, informed reason is always better then a few sweeping generalizations, imo.

Don't tell me what to do (=_=)

If you're voting Zak over content, then why Zak?

Because there are more reasons other than content?


Uuuuuuuuuuugh I haven't read Raikaria yet but I'm going to sheep. I think he has more chances to be scum than CF7, although the claim makes me scared. orz

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##Vote: Raikaria

[BT]

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[Conqueror]

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##vote: mitsuki

[Mitsuki]

Mitsuki's vote looks like plain old misunderstanding.

I guess none of these votes are actually bad, just ED1Voting/Lack of Reading

I don't really like Mitsuki. Her (His? gdi update your profile) posts before the Zakerei vote were pretty bad. Aside from the suggestion of a lurker lynch a suncycle into the game (which I also find sour), her reasons are full of generalities ("Serela is jumping on easy votes", "Serela is just worse"), and she was making pretty uninformed votes.

Why the change on opinion? NNR goes from saying that my posts aren't really bad and that my vote was a misunderstanding to actually saying the opposite. It doesn't look like he changed his opinion, but more like he forgot about his previous opinion and reinterpreted everything, which is convenient for scum to do and town wouldn't forget about their opinions just like that anyways.

[Shadoweh]

lol okay Validon. Does this look like the time for useless votes?

Conq do you think we have time to move to another lynch/claim? We're going to be running into claims we don't want to lynch all day here. :/
I've got to sleep and I still think Rai is the most likely to happen/the question i asked is related to what he claimed being bad if the timer isn't out by the time I wake up I'd be willing to lynch Mitsuki if she gets up there.

[BT]

..unless I messed up, deadline is estimated to be 2:30 PM tomorrow by my clock, which is 7:30 AM EST.

[BT]

like, I don't know how it got to be T-18 from T-24, I'll check again later

post soon

[BT]

T-24 from T-18*

welp

[Mitsuki]

I got to ISO Raikaria even if not much is going to change now, and I'm happy enough with my vote:

Yes, at the time I did it I thought it was OK... but likewise I am aware that you guys tend to act badly towards that, and take it as a scumread. So now I'm taking it as a scumread... I'm impressionistic.

I know this was already quoted although I don't really remember what was said about it. This are actually the worst reasons ever to place a vote, it's like "I know it's wrong because it didn't work on me, but now I'm using it because other people did!". The scummy part is that he actually recognizes what he's doing. I think that if town did this kind of thing they'd either be unconscious about it and deny what they're doing when others pointed it out while attempting to justify their actions as something else, or they'd notice they're being wrong and change their mind.

His reaction to getting lynched also seemed wrong; I'd expect him to complain again and be frustrated with everyone's votes, but he seems rather angry. This could be either scum getting frustrated or an important role to town getting lynched, though.

[ActionDan]

I also think claim is fake.

[ActionDan]

##Vote Raikaria

[NekoNekoRex]

(I fell asleep anyway, it was like 2 AM when I posted)
rereading

[Sky_Paladin]

I think Raikaria, Shadoweh, CF7 and Conqueror are my suspects at the moment. 

My main reason for suspecting Shadoweh is because he wrote in all caps and told me to stop voting for my other suspect. 
My main reason for suspecting Conqueror is because they arbitrarily voted for me. 
My main reason for suspecting Raikaria is because I don't buy their role description. 
My main reason for suspecting CF7 is because I don't buy their role description. 

I've been at the Aboshi Lantern Festival and next I am going to have a shower and do some other things you don't want to know about.  When I come back in about an hour I'll switch my vote to the biggest train behind one of my suspects. 

[NekoNekoRex]

Why the change on opinion? NNR goes from saying that my posts aren't really bad and that my vote was a misunderstanding to actually saying the opposite. It doesn't look like he changed his opinion, but more like he forgot about his previous opinion and reinterpreted everything, which is convenient for scum to do and town wouldn't forget about their opinions just like that anyways.

I'm not suspecting you over a vote that misinterprets, I'm suspcting you for other, completely unrelated reasons

Because there are more reasons other than content?

That was one of the main reasons, and it's not really a great reason. It doesn't even really read like good reasoning:

It's not that much but considering that he's only made 4 posts and that he's supposed to be a good player

"He's supposed to be a good player" is really lame leaning on meta. I normally post a lot more but I've been really lazy and sidetracked so far myself. Zak might be feeling the same / is busy.

[NekoNekoRex]

I agree with all of the above that Raikaria isn't posting like kicking and screaming town, btw, which is really bad and he's probably scum for it. He isn't even trying to push the other guy that hard.

[NekoNekoRex]

Ah, looks like I can safely vote as well

##Vote: Raikaria

[NekoNekoRex]

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##Vote: Raikaria

woops