Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[NekoNekoRex]

I don't think it would have made much difference if I had connected the dots or not, anyway. *shrug*

IDK I just don't like Dormio's Raikaria vote and explanations about it. There is scummy stuff that Raikaria has been doing, but the things that Dormio is choosing to go after are weak and/or seem really semantic in nature. He doesn't really have anything else either.

NNR- what do you think about Dormio? Saying I'm kind of townie for that exchange and then not really giving your opinions on it is ;//

I personally don't have much opinion on him, his vote doesn't strike me as particularly scummy or town, but I thought your thought process behind the vote/posts don't have scum intent. Plus your vote isn't just a bandwagon hop which is interesting.

Does the countdown customize itself to your own city/timezone or does Shadoweh live in the same city as me?

The latter. Countdown is the same for everyone.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I finished my post and went "hey, cool, time to drop some mad logic on these scums" but then I realized I had two pages left.

FORNICATE this het earth.

[BT]

He's already voting for NNR, what more do you want? At least we know who he thinks is scum. Here's a list of people you think are scum:

More substance? Dunno what he thinks he can accomplish by pointing at NNR a second time and adding nothing. The comments on Raikaria and CF7 are void of a clear stance and it's dubious why they're there at all. I don't know what % of this is being deliberately short on involvement and what % is just playstyle which is why I stopped there.

I can give you a list of votes I'd feel very bad with. It's too big. Though I'll try expanding on things later.

BBM: I ask because the way I see it is that he was just bothered by Raikaria's roundabout / awkward way of showing suspicion and drew his conclusions from there. Only that none of this is new for Raikaria, but I couldn't fault him for putting his vote there at the time.

[Paperblade]

It's 2:15 AM and I just finished writing 2720 words for my summaries but let's see if my brain is working well enough for me to remember my original thoughts process.

Basically, Raikaria dismisses Serela's vote as being nothing more than OMGUS. By discrediting Serela as being someone that is engaging in OMGUS, he simultaneously discredits HW by association. Or something to that effect.
Raikaria's latest posts don't help him one bit either.

But whatever, I'm going to sleep now. Later.

How does discrediting Serela discredit Prims? In fact, I don't really remember what Prims has done other than jokingly say Serela is town, so what is there to discredit ?_?

Rai's posts are pretty dumb but I feel like you're trying to jump on someone who's being silly rather than someone who's scummy

##Unvote, ##Vote: Yoshino

I'm also not too fond of CF7's casual vote on Prims

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Okay phew the second page was just one post.

Because you're using capital letters. I believe I discussed this pregame.

This is Shadoweh's game and I want to pay my Utmost Respect to the mod.

Even if Serela wasn't Confirmed Town, I would think his reaction to me calling him such is pretty town!Serela. Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.

The fact that Raikaria seems to believe my vote on him wasn't serious (it was, just ED1 serious) makes me think his evasive response wasn't scummy, just dicking around. Neutral read right now. Serela is town, though, so get a better vote.

NNR's first vote was bad. What's the scum intent in calling somebody Confirmed Town? My vote was fine for ED1 and NNR ignored that I only kept it due to Raikaria having an evasive response when criticizing it. Looks really graspy. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoRex

Schezo's first post rubs me the wrong way. It's concise to the point of being meaningless. Step it up. Page 4 posts are a bit better but I still feel like he's using brevity as an excuse to not really contribute much?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Kilga, why vote CF7 over BT at this point?

[BigBangMeteor]

  we should meet up some time Shadoweh

Add what Paperblade said to my Dormio vote, it's a good one that I noticed earlier and forgot to point out.

@BT- Most of your content so far has consisted of pushing Raikaria, except you're saying that this stuff is apparently his MO. So then why are you pushing him so much about it? The fact that you've been one of the most active players and still haven't committed to a read disturbs me.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I agree BT and Dormio are bad, by the way. Just don't really have anything to add there and find NNR worse.

[BT]

huhwhat your vote assumes that NNR thought you were scum. Pretty sure he just wanted a clarification.

BBM at first I wasn't really pressing him but trying to get his head out of the gutter if town. Think I became slightly concerned here. The bottom line is that there is no solid stance. I'm looking elsewhere.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Well he was kind of voting me, so.

Also, this post looks for reasons to pick at my content, which he should have no reason to do if he just wants a clarification.

[BT]

"I disagree with this reasoning" =/= "this reasoning is scummy"
and there's no signs of him thinking the latter.

[BT]

And the vote wasn't a sign.

If he felt -bothered- by your content he probably would have said it otherwise or linked it in some way to the vote, in that post it just looks like he's mentioning it because he's talking about Raikaria.

[BigBangMeteor]

If you just need someone to clarify something, you don't need to vote them. And if NNR held down that Prims vote for that long when he didn't even find him scummy, that's even worse.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yeah and also why do you want to defend NNR so much? :/

[Schezo]

Thing is BT, NNR had yet to post when I still found him the best subject to stab with a vote. 
Still is. Going to parrot HW in saying that blank unvote is the worst thing to happen all day and you should all get in on this because it gonna be gud.
Because I'm sorry I don't need 86 scumreads day 1.  I have one very clear telegraphed one, don't call me out on not having reads NNR.
You and BT can fight me.

I don't know why BT thinks this wasn't an attack but hey it is.

[BT]

If you just need someone to clarify something, you don't need to vote them. And if NNR held down that Prims vote for that long when he didn't even find him scummy, that's even worse.

Not something I haven't seen before. "this is something v important and i will persistently press for answer". Happened in some other game for sure but don't remember which. Though in this case there wasn't too much to vote at the time and then he got rid of the vote once he found something else.

Yeah and also why do you want to defend NNR so much? :/

Not defending. Think your vote's flawed.

Don't know what else to say. "but this was totally an attack" isn't such a great rhetoric when I actually said why I think otherwise.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Going to parrot HW in saying that blank unvote is the worst thing to happen all day

I don't remember saying this though.

Explain priorities between BT/NNR?

BT: If NNR is town then he can explain his thought process to defend himself. In fact he can probably do it better than you can since he wrote the posts, so why are you bothering?

[NekoNekoRex]

>Everyone says it's a joke
>Vote me for taking the "joke" seriously
>Now it's not a joke
>Vote me for accepting it was a joke

god damn everything

[Conqueror]

Raikaria, stop being defeatist and assuming you're always going to be wagoned D1. It's beyond infuriating to read and the resulting unreadable mess it creates is always the same.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've read all this before and the reasons for voting Raikaria are basically the same as always. People vote Raikaria --> Raikaria says something silly and defends his posting --> People vote him for backtracking/superdefensiveness/self-meta whatever. Anyway not really enthused by the wagon since it looks like the same thing as in Town Mafia before I replaced into Raikaria's slot. I want everyone voting for Raikaria or thinking about voting him to say why this is more likely to come from town!Raikaria than scum!Raikaria. I can't parse Dormio's argument and NNR's vote on Raikaria is a bit of a misrep/misunderstanding since Raikaria actually does say he's pushing Serela for ~*gut*~ if not anything else.

Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.

Agree with this, and to add to that I see Zak pushing huhwhat on the "confirmed town" point as an obvious votepark. I mean, what answer to that would have been satisfactory? Either huhwhat says "I'm joking" and the entire exercise was pretty much a waste of time or we get some sort of early roleclaim/role crumb whatever.

He's either Casually lying, or blantantly lying, and until he comes to clarify which I don't intend to move my vote haphazardly.

Why does it matter if you're already decided it's a lie?

Don't like he just brushes off the entire Raikaria situation either, since it looks like he's dismissing it but still leaving all the people involved to slapfight each other.

##Vote: Zakeri

BT, why are you so limp? Defending people is cool and all that, but, uh, who do you think is scum?

Schezo, I don't even know why you're voting NNR from reading your posts so the fact that you're calling your NNR stance "clearly telegraphed" is pretty blatant posturing.

Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.

This reads as frustration but it doesn't feel like town frustration given the lack of pressure on him? I don't know how to put it. Wanna see more from CF7 because he seems more passive than what I saw from skimming the previous game.

[NekoNekoRex]

Yeah no, screw this

##Vote: Prims

There's no proof in the pudding, Last time you claimed "confirmed town" with somebody with no good reason, it's because you weren't and also you were scum.

Also, if you're going to blatantly ignore me when I ask for proof (twice now), then you're going to get a negative response.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

lol

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
Cool wagon for cool dudes, also coasting is bad.

[Conqueror]

Can we just stop talking about this "confirmed town" business because it's not even relevant anymore.

fuck my connection, cut three times

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Conq, why are you posting like you do when you're scum?

[Schezo]

. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.

I interpret this "really sleazy" as blank because you know it is.

NNR > BT because while BT isn't doing anything since I don't know who his scumreads are.  The NNR unvote is bad. 

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Oh I thought you meant BT's empty unvote. Nevermind.
Thoughts on NNR's recent posts? I can imagine him being legitimately frustrated in this situation as town.

[Conqueror]

Conq, why are you posting like you do when you're scum?

Screw you I'm obvtown (well, not yet, but I should be pretty soon).

Schezo, why were you voting NNR in the first place?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

As town you converse w/ people more directly instead of just commenting on everything. But maybe this is just because it's early in the day.

Ill take you're word for it :>

[NekoNekoRex]

Why is my Prims unvote 'blank' anyway? If it's a jokevote and he hasn't posted at all, why do I need a reason to unvote him, Schezo?

[BT]

BT: If NNR is town then he can explain his thought process to defend himself. In fact he can probably do it better than you can since he wrote the posts, so why are you bothering?

It's probably because I saw the vote and thought "hey, this is wrong" and proceeded to interrogate. Eh I probably went through with it because I was sufficiently confident that I'm right.

Speaking of which I don't know what to do with you. Can't even tell if you'd be more cooperative as town or scum. But I'm pretty sure you read into his vote the wrong way and that's probably not alignment indicative.

BT, why are you so limp? Defending people is cool and all that, but, uh, who do you think is scum?

At this point I'll conclude that I'm a brick in this game.

I mean it's not that I haven't presented any arguments, I'm just stupid.

it's a jokevote

uh
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020671.html#msg1020671
this?