Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[BT]

In essence right now you're blowing things out of proportion, both Serela's vote and people's response to your play.

[WHMZakeri]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Huh What, and the people pushing him should stop,

I understand your point of view, but I would like a statement from Huh What before deciding on this.

[CF7]

Sorry, i'm not entirely here, have to monitor my own game, plus usually i have trouble concentrating on so many people at once. And tho i don't like OMGUS votes much, they're forced and defensive, Kilgamayan is probably town. But i guess time will tell.
##unvote
##Vote HW. Unless he can explain how Serela is a confirmed town.

[BigBangMeteor]

asfgafga why do I always lose my points on the last line

##Unvote, ##Vote: Dormio

Voting Raikaria for saying "I could argue" instead of "I argue" is really semantic and a sort of lame reason for a vote. Also while Raikaria has become sort of overdefensive now, he hadn't really at the time of your vote. You also don't really comment on the validity of what you perceive as Raikaria's pseudo-case against Serela.

BT- do you find Raikaria scummy? Also, why are you still holding an RVS vote on Kilga when you've been pushing Raikaria for the last page?

I don't really find Raikaria's initial vote that bad because when I first read through the thread, I also thought that Serela's vote was serious. It took a second glance for me to see that he specifically says that he couldn't find a better reason for a joke-vote. Now that this has been pointed out though, Raikaria should reconsider his vote.

People voting Prims are sort of lame when it was clearly a joke thing. NNR's is probably the worst because he knows how Prims plays the best, and should know that it's just a joke. Also he's stated that he's waiting for Prims to give an answer like 2-3 times rather than give any opinions on anything else.

CF7- why is Kilga town if you don't like OMGUS votes? Seems contradictory. Also if your Kilga townread isn't even that strong, as evidenced by the fact that you say "time will tell" right after, why mention it? Plus Prims vote.

[Raikaria]

Just going to get it out there that this, in its own right, is pretty bad too.
Why bother messing around and wasting time, thereby attempting to extend the RVS, when you have something proper to respond to?

Also, are we supposed to think that you stating that you would have been throwing your vote to the most useless places is meant to somehow be a townie activity?

It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?

My original plan was to hop around the people who hadn't been voted during RVS, but then Serela jumped on HW's usual antics in a way which made red lights flash in my head.

Maybe I am over-reacting to Serela's vote somewhat, but when don't I over-react somewhat to the inevitable wagon on me ED1?

And I'm a derp, Huh What throwing around that Serela is 'confirmed town' is silly. I retract my statement about there being no real reason to vote him, but I personally do not see him vote-worthy.

Would kinda like some input from Serela on this whole topic before I decide what to do with my vote.

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CHOO CHOO.

BBM, of course I'llbe defensive when I'm the wagon being focused on :V. The fact people push me, then I defend myself, and then people use that as a reason why I'm scum is a huge fallacy and silly anyway. What do they expect to happen, me to give reasons why to lynch me?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's like 2AM but I still have summaries to write. Why do I do this to myself?

RE: BBM,
I don't know about you, but deflection and attempting to discredit somebody that's attacking you for using the logic of a different person that's attacking you seems like an overly defensive reaction to me.
Anyway, sleep.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?

>Implying votes that will change every other post are significant enough to provoke any sort of reaction.

You're being singled out because your actions are the most striking to me.

[BigBangMeteor]

@Raikaria- There are scummy ways to defend oneself. Blowing relatively small things out of proportion is one of them. Also, if you don't see him as vote-worthy, why do retract the statement as to there being no real reason to vote for him?

@Dormio- Where's the deflection? Also, if Person A votes Person B for RVS purposes and then Person C jumps in to also vote Person B for the same reason as Person A, except doing it in serious modo, isn't that scummy? Of course, in this case, Person C was also joking, but if he hadn't been, voting them for that isn't overdefensive I don't think.

Meh, not sure about Raikaria right now. His use of self-meta is lame. Self-meta should only be used in defence against a meta argument.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's 2:15 AM and I just finished writing 2720 words for my summaries but let's see if my brain is working well enough for me to remember my original thoughts process.

Basically, Raikaria dismisses Serela's vote as being nothing more than OMGUS. By discrediting Serela as being someone that is engaging in OMGUS, he simultaneously discredits HW by association. Or something to that effect.
Raikaria's latest posts don't help him one bit either.

But whatever, I'm going to sleep now. Later.

[BT]

BBM to answer both your questions I'm in the process of establishing an opinion here.

Serela looking weird from your perspective at first is understandable. But we're over that. Why do you need input from Serela now? Are what BBM and I pointed out not enough?

(correction @BBM: Serela wasn't jokevoting but at the same time it was 'the best thing around' and that's reasonable from his POV because Prims' points had some appeal to them, serious or not)

You know, Raikaria, you weren't the focus of things when this started. NNR was. You created this scenario yourself. You refer to HW's push 'the normal thing' when people can and HAVE seen them as more than that. I also don't understand why you present things like you're being attacked for having fun in RVS instead of addressing the points people bring up against you.

[Kilgamayan]

And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?

This makes me want to vote for you. I don't buy the case against you as presented but this a weaselly way to counterargue.

Still content with my vote on NNR though. Would totally vote for CF7 for the same reason, especially since his opinion of Raikaria is a non-opinion (as much as I appreciate the unvote of confidence). Actually that makes him slightly worse than NNR, so!

##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7

Cut by BT. How was NNR the focus of anything when 'this' started? AFAICT I was the only one that paid him serious mind until Schezo also voted for him later. Can you give me a time frane so I know where 'this' begins?

[BT]

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020692.html#msg1020692
Before this post. Actually wait. For some reason I thought it was just "jokevote" HW and Serela at the time so NNR looked like a more serious development. Whatever.

[CF7]

Well it's not as contradictory. Kilgamayan said that he was half asleep and he might have not OMGUS'ed me if he was more awake at that moment. So probably was um... "decision made under influence" Something like that. Anyway, waiting for HW. Still Raikaria self-concsious reaction doesn't look good.
And since we're overlooking some jokevotes and not others i'd say i'll keep my vote for now.

[BigBangMeteor]

Serela words it as "the best reason around for a joke-vote". I guess we should just wait for Serela to come and clarify that.

[Raikaria]

BBM to answer both your questions I'm in the process of establishing an opinion here.
Serela looking weird from your perspective at first is understandable. But we're over that. Why do you need input from Serela now? Are what BBM and I pointed out not enough?

It is enough for me to reconsider. However, I would still want to see Serela's input into this, as it relates to Serela. Then I will decide what I should do from there.

[Raikaria]

Basically it's enough for me to reconsider, but I'm not sure where to, and I would rather decide what to do when all parts of the group involved have had a say, and seeing as Serela is pretty central to this whole discussion... yeah. I'd rather Serela add something before I make up my mind on where to go. I'd rather all parts of the picture are painted, and Serela's PoV on things would be nice to know.

[SB]

I could retrieve him and fact-check but that'd be kidnapping and no thanks.

bt claimed kidnapper lynch the scum

just got back, post incoming

[SB]

I don't see Prims' "Serela is  confirmed town" stuff as scummy at all.

Dislike the string of posts from NNR starting at #70. Basically they go
-Waiting on Prims still.
-Actually I'm gonna vote him for it to look like I'm doing something.
-Raikaria is probably roleplaying
-idk who he's roleplaying as, also my claims is seious
-Roleplaying doesn't excuse bad votes but Prims' reasons for voting Raikaria aren't great this early in the game, even though earlygame is when people usually have weaker voting reasons? Feels like he realizes he was defending Rai and then stopped.

Raikaria feels like he's just victimizing himself a lot and using self meta to try and help himself out isn't really helping his case. Also in his next post it feels like he waffles on Serela a bit, in the previous he says Serela's actions are scummy but then says this "That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town. I also feel like he's going out of his way to avoid dropping his vote and getting associated with any wagon, which is pretty bad.

CF7's Prims suspicions are really bad, like, really. Why is calling someone confirmed town in RVS scummy? This goes for NNR too. CF7 also calls Raikaria "weird" which isn't actually a read in the first place but he still manages to waffle on it by saying "but Raikaria was weird last game too".

I also really dislike Zak. I feel like he's flying completely under the radar and is coasting hard. His two posts are "I don't trust Prims, I think he's lying" when he was most likely screwing around in RVS, and "I want Prims to talk before I decide" while completely ignoring the rest of the game.

##Unvote
##Vote: Zak

Scumreads go  Zak>Raikaria>NNR>CF7 atm.

[WHMZakeri]

Raikaria is overreacting
But overreacting is Raikaria.
I don't really see how pursuing Raikaria with the information we have now will advanced Town agenda, unless it's reaction gathering.
For the record, my reaction is "this is kind of useless".

I don't see Prims' "Serela is  confirmed town" stuff as scummy at all.

I do.
He's either Casually lying, or blantantly lying, and until he comes to clarify which I don't intend to move my vote haphazardly.
Even worse, he does so in a way that confused others (more specifically, NNR) and rather than respond to inquiry he just moved on and then left. Not even a "I can't explain why" or a "It's not in his posts."

[CF7]

Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.

[Raikaria]

"That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town.

Actually I'm saying if I hadn't made a big deal of Serela's reaction we'd probobly still be in RVS. Serela's reaction itself wouldn't have made RVS end.

[Schezo]

dayum.  that's a lot of people you're willing to lynch based on minimal content SB.  The points on NNR are a lot stronger than the bullshit Raikaria is pulling though.

Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.

be scum 7 times in a row so you know what works and what doesn't.  very fine line.

NNR still a thing stop ignoring him.

[NekoNekoRex]

People voting Prims are sort of lame when it was clearly a joke thing. NNR's is probably the worst because he knows how Prims plays the best, and should know that it's just a joke. Also he's stated that he's waiting for Prims to give an answer like 2-3 times rather than give any opinions on anything else.

I tend to take claims seriously no matter who is making them, unless they're explicitly silly. You may notice I reacted to Schezo's first post because I briefly thought it was a cop claim or something.

Anyways I guess I missed the memo where :colbert: automatically invalidates all of the past user's posts as serious. Let me get some more up to date opinions.

[BT]

Schezo telling people to look at NNR and not taking a more active part in the discussion. Meh.

Raikaria can you dump some of your thoughts on other players anyway?

[BT]

##Unvote Kilga

BBM I don't really understand your Dormio vote at this point.

[NekoNekoRex]

I disagree with 48 Hour D1 philosophy because the second 24 hours of the game always has the crunchy posts you can rely on for content, being the aftermath of everyone getting out of OMGUS and blindly hunting for scum. The 3rd 24 hours is pure scumhunting based on that content, imo.

High time I ##unvote anyway because whether or not I'm getting an answer to the 'joke', it's still a toxic vote to be sitting on.

Guess I'll start off with Raikaria. Pretty obvious, but he's fallen into a pit trap where he's only defending himself (and doing it badly) and not hunting scum . He should do what I do and kill two birds with one stone by attacking his attackers. (WARNING: This is a bad idea and I'm bad for both doing and suggesting it). In all seriousness, though, who do you actually think is scummy at this point, Raikaria? This post seems the most noteworthy because it also has backtracking in it. Lean scum until he can put out some non-defensive content.
PREEDIT: Actually, I think it's pretty bad about how he just plays "wait and see" here and vanishes from the thread. ##Vote: Raikaria until he can actually come up with some scumreads, seriously.

BBM looks kinda town atm. I like his approach and third-party stance on the Raikaria thing, and his Dormio back and forth looks like pretty genuine town prodding.

Not much else to comment on. Zak needs some scumreads too, it won't do anyone good for him to just park on HW without anything on the 11 other players that aren't HW or Raikaria. Similar thoughts on Schezo.

[Kilgamayan]

Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.

This has nothing to do with anything and is just as weaselly as the Raikaria line I pointed out earlier.

Anyways I guess I missed the memo where :colbert: automatically invalidates all of the past user's posts as serious

It was originally created to denote mock seriousness. You could have also observed my response to the post that used it, particularly since it was addressed to me.

Schezo telling people to look at NNR and not taking a more active part in the discussion. Meh.

He's already voting for NNR, what more do you want? At least we know who he thinks is scum. Here's a list of people you think are scum:

[NekoNekoRex]

It was originally created to denote mock seriousness. You could have also observed my response to the post that used it, particularly since it was addressed to me.

The meaning behind that post flew over my head as well, I'll be honest.

[Kilgamayan]

It's a reference to this and this.

[BigBangMeteor]

IDK I just don't like Dormio's Raikaria vote and explanations about it. There is scummy stuff that Raikaria has been doing, but the things that Dormio is choosing to go after are weak and/or seem really semantic in nature. He doesn't really have anything else either.

NNR- what do you think about Dormio? Saying I'm kind of townie for that exchange and then not really giving your opinions on it is ;/

Does the countdown customize itself to your own city/timezone or does Shadoweh live in the same city as me?