Town Mafia (Game Over)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Like I said in the graveyard I'm fine with the Affinity win. Dormio deserved to be lynched instead and should've been the one to be force-subbed due to repeated proclaimed lack of interest in the game. It really kills the game for me when people don't play to their wincon and I know I've been really pushy with my cases this game and people could be annoyed at me for that, but I still don't really get why I had to get AtE thrown at me for expecting something as basic as that. =/.

I was still playing to win? At what point was I not?
And it's not my fault if sign ups take over two weeks to fill up which basically means that my entire break is gone and most of my time goes towards uni stuff, job interviews, and my mother and I want to spend the little time I do get to myself playing video games that I got recently during the summer sale.

[Vhaltz]

Oh, and apologies that my game sucked ass cop-wise. I've only played vanilla or functional vanilla so far and this is my 5th serious game altogether :ohdear:

You can actually see how I switch from playing normally to going "oh shit shit shit shit we're cops and I totally forgot shit shit gonna die" somewhere in my QT with Mitsuki after half of N1 had gone by. I'm curious to know whether Affinity thought we were likely a power role for some reason or what happened altogether with us getting killed before Conq since there's nothing on that in the scum QT. I wanted to try a bulletproof crumb gambit to survive onto N3 but we decided against it and I agreed because I figured he'd be visiting the graveyard first.


cut: I'm pretty sure I've either been reading all of Dormio's stellar games or he's been really subpar this time around.
@Hw. You're generalizing. This is my sentiment right now because I didn't get a say in the final deciding stage of the game and I think Dormio can use the feedback. I obviously would've thought differently if I had still been in the game. This was originally in the post earlier but I removed that part because it was put in words in the way of "I probably would've been angry had I been the one to decide the lynch between Dormio and Affinity and lynching Dormio had turned out with a mafia goon flip like it just did" and I didn't want to go out of line bashing Dormio. I think his play has been not good in comparison to earlier games but not bad enough to go that far when I'm still not that familiar with the playerbase.

[Mitsuki]

Dormio, it's fine. I just hope that the next game you join you'll be more active, and if you find yourself under similar circumstances again I think it'd be a good idea to consider getting a replacement.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yeah my play was pretty shit because I didn't spend all that much time reading the topic and thinking of  :wikipedia:. Being a non-native english speaker sucks and having to deal with hospital visits for yourself while your mother has an operation too and then getting all my shit for uni ready and having job interviews is not really the most motivating situation for mafia.
At least Raitaki was scum!

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I was asking polly-kun to replace for me from day 2 lol but he said no.

[Vhaltz]

And now that I know there's IRL reasons behind it I don't feel it was that bad anymore. These were never mentioned in game (other than at the AtE juncture iirc) and the sensation I got was that you were just ignoring mafia in favor of playing other games all day. This read to me like scum who didn't feel like they needed to put effort in the game to survive throughout the whole game (and postgame until now) after N1 ended.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I just like to talk about video games.
Also, I hate a burning hatred for AtE so I usually avoid bringing it up in game. Unless I'm scum and don't give a fuck.

Or I just don't care in general. That too.

[Kilgamayan]

I will certainly grant that everyone got lazy/complacent by Day 3 or whatever it was. Watching Raitaki's lynch proceed at a snail's pace made me actively root for the remaining scum to win the game out of spite. (ProTip: Not hammering obvscum is anti-town because it maximizes scum's strategizing/recovery time. bofh and I won a game a couple of years ago that we should have lost after a Day 3 obvscum lynch because town talked itself all the way to deadline and it gave us the chance to recuperate and work out how to get ourselves back in the game. If someone is obvscum, hammer them and sort out the details the next day. Doing so also saves the game from stagnation, and stagnation leads to town apathy, which is arguably worse than giving scum a chance to collect themselves.) I only called out Dan because he called out Validon when his excuse for not actually playing the game on Day 5 was/is "Validon probably wouldn't have listened", which is a total non-reason. Also, changing your vote from the person you think is more likely to be scum to the person you think is less likely to be scum just so the game will end is playing against your win con, but that's another discussion.

YOU REMEMBER

Woundwort x Melvin for life, broseph <3

[Shadoweh]

After reading the mod QT and how the Town Miller is also suposed to fool the rolecop, I'm double-mad about the self-targetting busdriver on top of that. >:< Why even give investigative roles that don't work on 2/3 of the town, especially since I would have got nothing from Serela either!

I'm really sorry about SB but it didn't occur to me at all that my result was switched. Because I'm an idiot.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

After reading the mod QT and how the Town Miller is also suposed to fool the Roleclop, I'm double-mad about the self-targetting busdriver on top of that. >:< Why even give investigative roles that don't work on 2/3 of the town, especially since I would have got nothing from Serela either!

idk why you're complaining about this seeing as you played in touhou NOCfia

[ActionDan]

Kilga I played the game day5 and got Dormio to townslip. What?   

Perhaps I did not do a good enough job of babysitting Validon by stating that Dormio looked really damn town from the slip before he came out and said "I'm voting Dormio cuz I think this is right, if you don't think so then w/e"

I responded clarifying my position and then went to sleep.  When I woke up it was past deadline.  Still thought Affinity was scum but Validon hadn't posted. 

I could have begged in my last moments of being alive, for Validon to consider the townslip.  and vote Affinity.

But you know what.  I thought even if I tried my hardest I didn't think Validon would consider it, or only consider it in passing.  I don't feel like going into detail about why I thought that, but I am pretty confident that I'd have been right.

[ActionDan]

Basically don't trivialize my god damn performance with bullshit standards.  I did fucking Fantastic.

[Kilgamayan]

You got 2/3 of the scum lynched. Fantastic is getting 3/3 of the scum lynched. Maybe you can't see this because your ginormous ego is blocking your field of vision, but you don't win the game by correctly identifying all of the anti-towns. You win the game by killing all of the anti-towns.

What you did on Day 5 was either knowingly throw the game because you wanted it to end (if you actually did think what you claim about Validon) or make a mistake in judgment that literally invalidated your play up to that point in the game and are now blaming your mistake on the easy target because your ego can't handle the fact that you lost (if you didn't think what you claim about Validon). Either way, you should probably never play on this site again, because attitudes like yours are the cancer that kills this game.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I did fucking Fantastic.

[Kilgamayan]

Also gonna link this game just as an example of why one shouldn't just give up in the face of someone that doesn't look like they'll change their mind.

[ActionDan]

You got 2/3 of the scum lynched. Fantastic is getting 3/3 of the scum lynched. Maybe you can't see this because your ginormous ego is blocking your field of vision, but you don't win the game by correctly identifying all of the anti-towns. You win the game by killing all of the anti-towns.

What you did on Day 5 was either knowingly throw the game because you wanted it to end (if you actually did think what you claim about Validon) or make a mistake in judgment that literally invalidated your play up to that point in the game and are now blaming your mistake on the easy target because your ego can't handle the fact that you lost (if you didn't think what you claim about Validon). Either way, you should probably never play on this site again, because attitudes like yours are the cancer that kills this game.

I knowingly "threw" the game.  As in I believed that Affinity was more likely scum than Dormio when I hammered Dormio.  Did I not make that pretty obvious? 

I don't particularly think that's cancerous considering the bitching in the dead QT by both players and mods wanting me to end the game.   I particularly thought it was sportsmanlike if you disregard the blatant assumption of complete incompetency on the part Validon that would have to go along with that decision (and it did).

[Edible]

God damn Dan, shut up.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I knowingly "threw" the game.

then you've broken "play to win" and have already lost all credibility so i don't know what you're trying to argue

it was still possible to make a case for scum!affinity, let the game go to nl, and pray you prompted validon to rethink the situation and read the game once more. better than the guaranteed loss if you were right

[ActionDan]

An adequate case for scum!affinity was made (and making more cases with Validon's limited time would have been counterproductive.  "missing the forest for the trees").   I could have let it go to NL and then a tomorrow following that.

However, as I said, I truly believe Validon would not have considered it.  I value (and apparently many others do as well) the time not wasted more than betting on this unlikelihood to occur. 

[ActionDan]

Also gonna link this game just as an example of why one shouldn't just give up in the face of someone that doesn't look like they'll change their mind.

pinpoint the example?  If it's Omba changing her mind about Kitten4U then it's because Omba thought I was town and Omba thought he had the security of another day wherein K4U would be dead and it would be ActionDan vs Shadoweh wherein he was comfortable with lynching Shadoweh.

[Kilgamayan]

All of Day 4, where I did what anyone that actually respects the game does and spent 72 hours working to get my point across in the face of multiple people that have no intention of listening to me. Ultimately, it worked out, and it was at least partially because of me, as Shadowy admitted postgame.

I don't hold anyone to standards that I don't also hold myself to, even if those standards are "argue to the get the last scum lynched even if you don't think people will listen."

[ActionDan]

O wait that Adorable, not A balanced.  my bad.

[Validon98]

Dan, I really hate that you think I'm too incompetent to consider another opinion. Yes, I had limited time. Yes, I was gunning for Dormio. But you should know by now that I often listen to other opinions if they are swaying enough. It seemed like you tried a little bit but then you gave it up as hopeless and voted Dormio even though you had it figured it couldn't be him. It feels very much to me like you threw the game and considered me a lost cause in terms of voting for Affinity.
I understand I'm still not as good as everyone else here, Dan, but I at least gave a damn effort as the game went on, even if I disappeared for a day or so. Again, I wish I was here near the end of Night 5 so that I could have been involved in the discussion, but even if I wasn't you could have tried and provided some sort of argument so that when I came back I could read it and reconsider. Hell, you could have even petitioned for an extension or something because I couldn't be there, even though Zakeri probably would not have granted it! Anything!

[ActionDan]

I at least gave a damn effort as the game went on

True you did.  However you were barely paying any attention to what I was posting either.  Or if you did you didn't particularly care. 

You claimed after I said we shouldn't claim, with reasons (regardless of whether people thought they were silly).  that was an unprompted unilateral decision on your part.

You hand waved my vote for Affinity as well.  That by itself probably wasn't what made me think you didn't care.  It was the phrasing and particularly the word "whatever" attached.  That meant it did not matter to you.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

stahp

[Conqueror]

kinda reminds me of the ending to the first game i ever played here, gdc mafia when px basically gave up on convincing huhwhat that k4u was the scums

but seriously can we not do this

i think more people would play mafia if people showed a little more respect to each other after the game. it's a game, after all. a serious game, but a game.

anyway, mistakes were made; we learn from them and move on

good salvage by affinity

[PX]

Ah, AGoM

We tried so hard
And we got so far
But in the end
It didn't even matter  :fail:

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

conq sucks and need to pick better loli mage hosts :/

[Shadoweh]

Mitsuki: Don't worry, I do the same thing. huh what x Serela 4 lyfe!

Spoiler:

And Conq x Dan or the Gumshoeship of course

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

ive already said dating people you play mafia with is a terrible idea, possibly the worst

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

(otherwise i'd totally date serela. actually probably not because he's into a bunch of furry bara stuff and i don't like that)