Author Topic: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win) (Read 108614 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #450 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:37:37 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 02:20:12 AM

I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today. Wouldn't be surprised if Prims is an Assassin looking for Kotarou to win and shot Zak last night and the actual mafia NK got blocked. Prims, explain your role exactly, as well as what would happen if Shadoweh died tonight at the same time you tried to target her.

I find this highly unlikely. I didn't think Zakeri was the townest yesterday, but if you look at the common targets he wasn't someone you could visually throw a lynch on right away, so he could have been an early kill. Also it makes sense that huh what would target you if he thought you were iffy about him because he called out your name. I believe he is telling the truth. Also because Occam's Razor says the most likely thing that happened last night is the mafia killed someone.

Also please stop cutting me ;-; Yes I know Affinity could still b scum. I thought he was being reasonable about responding to the accusations on him though.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #451 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:43:09 AM »

tbh i think the scum are between ihnn/affinity/bard. got a meta towntell on bbm and bt just doesn't read like scum to me. affinity looks the scummiest of those three though, i can see ihnn just being town with wrong opinions even though i don't really like him

but i'm itp so what do i know right

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #452 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:43:51 AM »

though actually ihnn pushing me as potential scum even after the itp claim is really ugh

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #453 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:45:48 AM »

i want it to be ihnn/affinity though, that would mean i guessed the scumteam a few minutes before the end of d1 which would be Cool

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #454 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:48:32 AM »

Votecount

Affinity(4): huh what, BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98
huh what(1) I have no name
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Not voting(3): BT, Raikaria, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69 hours remaining in the day.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #455 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:54:07 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:37:37 AM

I thought he was being reasonable about responding to the accusations on him though.

imo he came across as more focused on fending off accusations than pushing his scumreads, especially with how little he enforced his case on bbm, something which made no sense to drop when bbm hadn't really improved and there was more substance to that case than "he jumps around a lot"

if you're not willing to sheep me than at least sheep zak's last vote of the day

Shadoweh · « **Reply #456 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:55:26 AM »

I'm busy pretending to hunt a vampire pretending to be a human, I'll look at it in a few hours damnit

Bardiche · « **Reply #457 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:24:02 AM »

So why do you guys think Affinity is scummier than Shadoweh.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #458 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:34:31 AM »

Because I'm the protagonist BITCH! Huh what probably wants to kill me tonight, so why don't you just let him do his thing?

Validon98 · « **Reply #459 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:40:22 AM »

You know what, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I could say that I think Affinity is scummy because all of his posts are focused mostly on trying to defend himself and not doing much to find scum, if you think Shadoweh is scummy, then why bother lynching her when HW is just going to kill her anyways? In this case, two potential scum will be killed in one fell swoop. It's not a bad plan, to be honest.
Of course, all of this is being said while I'm really tired. I need to sleep, then I'll think about this more.

Bardiche · « **Reply #460 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:43:05 AM »

Quote from: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:40:22 AM

You know what, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I could say that I think Affinity is scummy because all of his posts are focused mostly on trying to defend himself and not doing much to find scum, if you think Shadoweh is scummy, then why bother lynching her when HW is just going to kill her anyways?

Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.

Validon98 · « **Reply #461 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:46:03 AM »

You sure? I don't remember reading that, but then again I don't really think HW's been entirely clear as to what the hell getting Shadoweh killed has anything to do with anything.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #462 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:49:17 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:24:02 AM

So why do you guys think Affinity is scummier than Shadoweh.

my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one

Bardiche · « **Reply #463 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:50:01 AM »

Quote from: huh what on May 25, 2013, 03:49:17 AM

my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one

r u 4 reel

Bardiche · « **Reply #464 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:50:46 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:50:01 AM

r u 4 reel

Oh wait you depend on Shadoweh to suicide tonight and I can't imagine why you'd want to suicide.

Unless that's your wincon.

Hold on.

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Validon98 · « **Reply #465 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:52:25 AM »

Quote from: huh what on May 25, 2013, 03:49:17 AM

my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one

Ah, now I understand what you meant by this. I was under the impression before the reveal that you were third party that perhaps you were a cop, but I was proven wrong. She is the person mentioned in your PM as your target, and thus since her role was revealed, you know that she must be town. I understand now.

Bardiche · « **Reply #466 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:56:04 AM »

Yeah I don't see any reason why you'd be honest about Shadoweh being Town or Scum, since if you're ITP and suiciding in Shadoweh's arms is your wincon, then well.

##Vote: Shadoweh

This does not clear Shadoweh at all. No guarantee you're not lying.

Bardiche · « **Reply #467 on:** May 25, 2013, 03:58:35 AM »

Quote from: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:52:25 AM

Ah, now I understand what you meant by this. I was under the impression before the reveal that you were third party that perhaps you were a cop, but I was proven wrong. She is the person mentioned in your PM as your target, and thus since her role was revealed, you know that she must be town. I understand now.

Except for the part where in Mafia you can't trust people aren't lying to further their own agendas. Huh What's agenda is to achieve victory at any cost. It wouldn't be weird for him to lie to Town about Shadoweh being Town because all he cares about is suiciding on her probably. If that's his wincon (why the fuck else suicide?), I'm pretty sure that there's no reason to believe him.

The evidence of her behaviour speaks stronger than the words of an ITP.

Bardiche · « **Reply #468 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:01:20 AM »

Seriously though, rest of you: Why is Affinity scummier than Shadoweh? One provides content, one only gives empty nothings. I can agree that Affinity's content isn't stellar, but what's there is better than what Shadoweh has produced.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #469 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:09:19 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:43:05 AM

Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.

So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk still

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #470 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:17:20 AM »

bard is just being pesco levels of obtuse imo. that's not a good thing but i don't see scum intent in it when nobody's being convinced to lynch you and would still rather lynch affinity. i also can't really blame him for finding your d1 scummy when you were indeed being lazy and there was a point where i legitimately thought you were mafia

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #471 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:17:37 AM »

*lynch you and i would still

Shadoweh · « **Reply #472 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:21:46 AM »

Quote from: huh what on May 25, 2013, 04:17:20 AM

bard is just being pesco levels of obtuse imo. that's not a good thing but i don't see scum intent in it when nobody's being convinced to lynch you and would still rather lynch affinity. i also can't really blame him for finding your d1 scummy when you were indeed being lazy and there was a point where i legitimately thought you were mafia

I can't believe I'm the one pointing this out but how did you think I was mafia if your role pm says I'm.. oh right, you didn't know who I was and wanted to speed lynch me. -.- And maybe but Bard isn't Pesco so it'd be weird for him to turn into a rabbit.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #473 on:** May 25, 2013, 04:44:02 AM »

Bard, I think you're misunderstanding what Prims is saying (and he's too lazy to fix it). He's saying that by targeting Kotarou (Shadoweh), he will fulfill his wincon and leave the game a victor. Then the game will continue until either the town or mafia win. He's not saying that he'll die and lose.

Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.

a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.

Affinity · « **Reply #474 on:** May 25, 2013, 05:36:18 AM »

Is this a policy lynch? Is everyone serious?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #475 on:** May 25, 2013, 05:49:38 AM »

I think they just really hate you? To be fair there's an itp on your wagon, but he thinks you're scum. You should probably claim.

Affinity · « **Reply #476 on:** May 25, 2013, 05:53:17 AM »

I don't even get why my Rai case is bad, or why Serela (seems like a 180) and Validon are voting me, exactly? Probably to go with the flow and the confirmed neutral? But huhwhat could be wrong, you know. The things people are accusing me of aren't exactly defendable, given that none of you guys with the exception of Shadoweh believe or register my words, apparently.

I'll address the BBM and Rai switch since most people seem to be angry about it. No one seemed to be agreeing with my single BBM vote, and it was being pretty ineffectual and unviable. Even huhwhat saying that it looked more solid than the Rai case comes as a surprise to me, since no one seemed to acknowledge it until I changed. What's wrong with trying to point something out on Ralkaria (which others suspected to some extent) and pointing people that way, while still maintaining my suspicion on BBM? It's not as if he had done anything new; he was on me and still is now, apparently.

And if I'm apparently scummy for this action, then why would I as scum switch to what you guys see as a weaker target? Would I have anything to gain? Would it be to seem multi-faceted or something? I don't quite get it.

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##Vote: BigBangMeteor

I'll... go with BBM again. His vote on me today merely assimilates my voteswitch unto his existing reasons yesterday and his other opinions are morbidly uninspiring. He hates IHNN for random reasons already stated, he hated Rai and SS yesterday as well for reasons already raised, but he hasn't really made a clear reason as to why the case on me is stronger than the others. There isn't really much of an active push against anyone anyway; it seems like just a lazy votepark on an easy target without any opportunity for change. It doesn't even have the amusing character of Validon's and Serela's change onto me.

We're not lynching Shadoweh today I guess.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #477 on:** May 25, 2013, 06:09:24 AM »

affinity, how are you actually reading ihnn at this point?

Affinity · « **Reply #478 on:** May 25, 2013, 06:14:23 AM »

Well, the weak are meat, the strong (in numbers) do eat. Nishikujo, Vanilla Town.

On other people, I do dislike IHNN. His case against huhwhat seems like somewhat questionable bits and pieces (two line average length, role shens, omgus-y stuff etc.) that don't make up a coherent, scummy whole. His token defence of me yesterday also sounds rather vague (doesn't talk about anything anyone has on me) and seems like an excuse to vote SS, which he does by repeating the beef against him.) I would be interested to know what he thinks now that huhwhat is supposedly itp.

Validon and Serela I am utterly confused. Can both of you guys tell me why you are voting me? Are you guys blindly sheeping? Do you guys hate anyone else?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #479 on:** May 25, 2013, 06:27:25 AM »

it's been heavily implied serela has a wordcount limit. if he doesn't then he should explicitly deny this next time he posts

i'll weigh your defense vs how much i suspect ihnn tomorrow, would rather focus on other things tonight.