Author Topic: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win) (Read 108683 times)

Raikaria · « **Reply #150 on:** May 21, 2013, 06:10:17 PM »

Well that was again, a misunderstanding.

Still, I feel what I raised on people I actually had something to say about was OK, particularly Shadoweh, and her Bardiche question thing.

Speaking of, I wonder when Shadoweh will give a straight answer to that.

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 06:09:26 PM

Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.

AtE? No. I was stating Deja Vu and a previous identical event.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #151 on:** May 21, 2013, 06:32:44 PM »

Blegh, head is swimming. Read through the topic, but as is typical, I'm not good at this game until I've either reread a few times or gotten interactions myself.

I've liked Shadoweh's reactions the least so far, and so full of typical shadoweh overhype,

##Vote: Shadoweh. At least I can avoid getting Shadoweh's gender wrong for at least one post

Schezo · « **Reply #152 on:** May 21, 2013, 06:52:29 PM »

Affinity is voting me for sharing his opinion. UGUUU.
I feel like he's just being rode right now for lack of content and one lackluster vote so I'm not too interested there.

Pretty sure Raikaria is derp overreacting because he keeps going back and explaining inconsistencies so I'll wait for more content to decide what's really going on with walls a few hours into the day.

##Unvote:
##Vote: SilentShaman
Let's get the real maflord.
120 a post with some reads and quotes for everyone but the guy you're voting. I'd think you'd elaborate on why Bardiche was scum for X rather than take a shoddy stab at him. Hell it would have seemed fine for me if you just went for one of the people you elaborated on rather than the person you sent a oneliner at.

Quote from: BBM 145

I dislike Kay's vote on Bard

I'm going to assume Kay is SilentShaman. Yes?

Validon98 · « **Reply #153 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:16:02 PM »

Well, I just got back and read through this, and to be honest, unless Affinity says something else, I don't really know whether or not to trust him. Then again, I don't know who to trust, and the fact that I can only be on this site for a few hours everyday unless it's the weekend really makes it difficult for me to follow the conversation. Oh, I'd love to follow it and try to make sense of it all, but time is not on my side. Hopefully tonight will be different?
But anyways, Schezo's last post seems a bit scummy and forceful to me. I mean:

Quote from: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 06:52:29 PM

Let's get the real maflord.

I don't know about anyone else, but that seems a bit off to me. You guys did say to go with a gut feeling, and this is what I got right now besides Affinity.

##Vote: Schezo

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #154 on:** May 21, 2013, 07:32:37 PM »

Votecount

Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, Validon98
SilentShaman(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): SilentShaman
Raikaria(1): BT
Shadoweh(1): NekoNekoRex
Not voting (2): Bardiche
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~54.5 hours remaining in the day.

BT · « **Reply #155 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:03:30 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

BT, I'm not sure I follow you. Here you say Raikaria is scummy for... blindly mentioning everything you do is scum. The acronym we use here is 'OMGUS'. Why would scum declare everything you do scummy? This is not a logical venture. I do like your follow-up, but I'd like to know why you think it's scummy of Raikaria to think you're scum.

I was accusing him then of painting the easy-to-point-out "weird stuff" as scummy. He also added the rest of my actions to the bin ("he voted Schezo and did some other things etcetera") which supported my idea that he didn't give a second thought as to what he was saying. To make things simple, it's just the thing I'd have expected from scum to exploit.

Bard, current thoughts on huhwhat?

RE: Affinity votes. Did you guys miss my interpretation? I don't think his post was something special and those votes won't achieve much until he comes back (a while, esp. at time of voting) so I'm meh at all this.

Quote from: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:47:22 PM

IMO Raikaria is town, but this is an ED1 read so.

Due to how your post is structured I have no idea where this comes from. Please share your wisdom with me. (or at least just the posts)

Raikaria's jump to talking about lurker lynches in #140 is a general "what the hell" moment. It's like the Affinity vote was weak on its own so let's lynch the "lurkers" yay. Will stay tuned, hopefully a verdict tomorrow.

Quote from: NekoNekoRex on May 21, 2013, 06:32:44 PM

Blegh, head is swimming. Read through the topic, but as is typical, I'm not good at this game until I've either reread a few times or gotten interactions myself.

I've liked Shadoweh's reactions the least so far, and so full of typical shadoweh overhype,

##Vote: Shadoweh. At least I can avoid getting Shadoweh's gender wrong for at least one post

Boy or girl?

It would be nice if you were to show us what you dislike about her reactions. I am Not Seeing It At All and I assume others can relate.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #156 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:39:05 PM »

Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 05:31:17 PM

I dislike Kay's vote on Bard because in her previous posts, she sort of just analyzes unrelated things and then tacks a vote for Bard at the end despite not having said anything about him before, IIRC. Plus, I don't really think that Bard's defence was as extreme as she makes it out to be. She's also said a lot more stuff about Raikaria- what makes Bard worse than that?

Speaking about Raikaria, I don't really see the point of his mini-listpost, as it mainly just has some weak scumreads and a bunch of null/townreads. His vote on Affinity is also not very good because the main reason for it is a vote for an inactive disguised as "using MotK mafia meta". What makes it worse is that we're less than 18 hours into the game, so he can't even be really classified as a lurker yet.

Why is Affinity a better vote than both of these people?

If NNR doesn't have a better post by the end of the (RL) day explaining what's wrong with Shadoweh's reactions then he's vigbait.

BT, what do you think about how Raikaria treats the theories about Serela being the voteblocker? It's the main reason I'm reading him as town. At the very least, he's not the voteblocker.

Validon: Schezo's "real maflord" line is rhetoric, not really related to intent. What do you think about the actual reasoning behind his case, and what do you think about the wagon on Affinity?

BT · « **Reply #157 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:55:05 PM »

Eh, can you directly quote what triggered that? I just read through his posts and I'm not sure what you mean.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #158 on:** May 21, 2013, 09:58:25 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 07:00:15 AM

Waaaait a second!

There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.

I don't think Raikaria or Serela would have thought to fake townslips about not knowing how the voteblock seems to work (note that I wasn't actually blocked at the time). I'm certain the block comes from scum at this point too; if a townie fired off a block at Shadoweh that early then their literally a idiot irl.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #159 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:18:28 PM »

I'm cool w/ a Kay lynch by the way, her vote on Bard's Serela defense seems to ignore the actual rationale behind it.

BT · « **Reply #160 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:19:09 PM »

Ehhhhhhh, I don't think that's a "fake townslip".

...Wait.

If he's scum and (presumably) that means he's aware of the nature of the role, if he genuinely misread the votecount he'd have doublechecked to see if something as bizarre as a huhwhat block had transpired before making a fool out of himself (or at least that's how I'm going to think). Which implies that he's more likely to have faked the misunderstanding... which is unlikely. Way too out-of-the-box and nothing to justify said out-of-the-box-ness, especially if he was in a hurry.

I think that's good enough.

##Unvote Raikaria, ##Vote uh

Uh

Off the bat, Schezo, Bard, Shaman. Then Affinity and NNR with NNR over Affinity. I'm actually not sure who I'd prefer out of the first three and I was just about to call it a day.

I'll dedicate some more time to figuring this out while I get this post out of the way.

BT · « **Reply #161 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:20:43 PM »

Wait, what about the option of Shadoweh having the affecting role and acting like she doesn't? (for some reason? haven't really worked this out and her avoiding the questions so far only complicates matters, seeing as I think she's town)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #162 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:22:13 PM »

if you dont want to vote affinity then vote user SilentShaman shes also mafia

i'd be interested in hearing a bard case though since i don't see anything that makes him scummy. schezo i don't have any real problems with but he could easily go either way...

Cut: Yeah, I thought that too but I don't find Shadoweh's actual content scummy so I haven't been pushing it.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #163 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:23:46 PM »

NNR is town btw, as scum he'd have bullshitted up some reads because it's easier than actual scumhunting in this gamestate and he's too prideful to make a post that bad as mafia.

BT · « **Reply #164 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:39:43 PM »

A self-inflicting townie would still work with the 2-man scumteam scenario you mentioned. Assuming Shadoweh has some role-related reason not to reveal that etc.. I mean it'd be really cool of her to debunk this right now. <_<

A case on Bard would be... I'm not sure. I guess I haven't been happy with his content but now that I look at it I can't seem to be able to point at anything. Or maybe it's the fatigue. We'll see.

Eh, sure.

##Vote SilentShaman

If only because I can see the "really extreme defense" point being an attractive safe argument for scum. Even if she'd stayed a while longer to argue the point it doesn't require much arguing because an opinion is an opinion is an opinion.

You sure about NNR? Can't scum!him bullshit that Shadoweh read along with the general out-of-it attitude (which is going to affect your play as any alignment)?

Schezzy, no opinion on anything else?

Raikaria · « **Reply #165 on:** May 21, 2013, 10:45:02 PM »

Ugh... re-reading myself I look like a complete bull-headed moron.

Like I usually do on D1. Where did my Dio game go?

I think the thing is I'm trying *too* hard to find someone I can confidently peg as scum, and then tunnel them somewhat. I'm also relying too much on my past experiences and ~meta~ which I don't know much about. Not to mention I'm over-jumping at argument flaws which turn out to be mere misunderstandings.

All the box talk about my misreading of a votecount is making my head hurt guys @_@.

Quote from: huh what on May 21, 2013, 10:23:46 PM

NNR is town btw, as scum he'd have bullshitted up some reads because it's easier than actual scumhunting in this gamestate and he's too prideful to make a post that bad as mafia.

Unless that's what he wants you to think!

Nah just kidding this seems like typical NNR play.

Quote from: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 12:32:39 PM

##Unvote[/b]
##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.

I guess this is the part of SS's #120 you dislike. I agree, it's not really a reason to vote Bard. The wagon on Serela was silly, Bard is a Voice of Reason. Maybe a song.

Still waiting for Shadowmeh to clear this up:

Quote from: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 06:24:18 AM

Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.

Quote from: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

I'd prefer you just straight-up answered requests instead of trying to be cute.

While Bardiche may be able to decode Shadowmeh cuteness, I cannot, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Now, if you'll excuse me it's 11:44 pm, it's too late to re-read anymore and come up with a coherent new case, and I want to give Affinity more time to... do something. I'll leave my vote where it is for now and come back refreshed after my sleep~

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #166 on:** May 21, 2013, 11:08:54 PM »

nnr's post can be faked, but it's substantially easier to bs scumreads while "out of it" than scumhunt for real and i just think he's too self-aware to make that post as scum attempting to coast

not the most convincing case but it's how i'm reading him after mulling it over.

Validon98 · « **Reply #167 on:** May 21, 2013, 11:48:19 PM »

I got asked about the wagon thing, and to answer that, I agree with the wagon, it's just I feel like just saying "I'm voting for Affinity" would be jumping on it without a thought, and I thought that would make me seem scummy. Of course, I've been unable to follow everything because real life keeps me from accessing this site, so pardon me for my lack of contribution to the conversation, but things happen.
Also, I know it's rhetoric, what was said, but I just feel like it's a tiny bit scummy. His logic is sound, though, so I'm not sure. Again, as I've already said, I don't really know who to vote for because my head is still trying to wrap around everything.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #168 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:02:23 AM »

if you're town, then lynching scum is more important than not looking scummy

Validon98 · « **Reply #169 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:16:45 AM »

The problem is I don't know who is scum and the conversation isn't really giving me any clues. At this point, it's probably better just to jump on the bandwagon, not ask questions, and pray we didn't hit a townie, because you guys seem to be metagaming a bit and I'm unfamilar with everyone, so guess who has the least clue about everyone?
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity
Also, how do we know that anyone got blocked? Because I keep hearing about people getting blocked and I'm still a little confused on that. Is anyone still blocked?

Serela · « **Reply #170 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:24:22 AM »

Validon:Because Shadoweh has no vote, nothing happens if she tries to vote, votecounts say only 11 votes in play but we have 12 players, etc

I'm sad I didn't bring up the SilentShaman thing because I thought her Bard vote was bad but I wanted to wait on her reaction to Bard's response.

She's posted since then but she ignored it. :I

Totally okay with people voting her right now.

Affinity · « **Reply #171 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:28:03 AM »

I am sighing.

Hold on.

Serela · « **Reply #172 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:38:34 AM »

It's 'k Affinity, I would be too. Just keep in mind we've got like 48 hours left!

Affinity · « **Reply #173 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:40:29 AM »

Why am I suddenly at L-1 now for one measly post. So sad.

Voted Schezo cause he still voted Serela even despite the null voteblock thing. Didn't understand why he maintained his vote. Effectively a votepark until his recent change to SilentShaman etc. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Is bad logic now a lesser reason in mafia than gut? Can someone get off me?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #174 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:42:47 AM »

that makes sense. vote on you was less "gut" and more me misinterpreting your vote, and while i don't think you're clean or anything i'm content switching to this
##Unvote
##Vote: SilentShaman

Serela · « **Reply #175 on:** May 22, 2013, 12:46:35 AM »

That's good! But now for the up-to-date content.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #176 on:** May 22, 2013, 01:34:44 AM »

Waffling on Prims- I still think he's trying too hard and jumping around a lot, but I think it's more town-motivated because IIRC he was down a few days ago about how his recent games haven't been that good. He might be trying to overcompensate? He's also had some good points I think, so townish for now.

Prims- I kept my vote on Affinity earlier because I don't normally like changing votes even if something else is scummier until my original target responds.

I've seen Affinity's defence and I don't accept it. At the time of his vote, it was still mostly RVS and looking at the most recent votals at the time of the vote, the votes were mostly RVS still. Schezo's vote hadn't become a votepark at that point. And since he didn't think the voteblock said anything about Serela, it doesn't have any effect on whether or not he should have kept his RVS vote there. Affinity is retroactively fitting reasoning that didn't apply at the time. My vote stays here.

Validon98 · « **Reply #177 on:** May 22, 2013, 01:39:03 AM »

Oh wait, this brings up another question (thank you newbie tendencies). RVS? Retroactive vote switch?

Serela · « **Reply #178 on:** May 22, 2013, 01:46:27 AM »

RVS=Random Vote Stage. This is where the game starts.

Retroactive means going back and doing it now when you didn't do it before. Uh, I think.

Dislike BBM's response to Affinity because Affinity's vote was also more or less an RVS vote itself, and didn't exactly need a fabulous reason. Not that I don't think Affinity's vote still isn't kinda odd. Waiting on Affinity's caught-up post.

Validon98 · « **Reply #179 on:** May 22, 2013, 01:53:52 AM »

Alright, got it. It really does feel like that at this point. Sorry for all of my questions, but again, I'm only played one full game of Mafia and it wasn't like this, nor was that term ever used. Now these conversations make a bit more sense. ^^;
I'll try to stop asking questions from now on and actually focus on the game.
Also, yes, that is what retroactive means.