Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Raitaki]

I didn't notice the part where he said Zakeri was scummy right before voting IHNN without saying anything more.

[Polaris]

but after you vote Dormio you say this:

gosh if Dormio and Polaris both flip scum I'm going to get lynched so hard

which implied that you still thought Dormio was town, thus making you think that you would be "lynched so hard" if Dormio flipped scum `_`

[Edible]

Gin and tonic, that old standby.

The claim isn't good enough as I said before. Too late, too conveniently conditional and too unconfirmable.

We really lose nothing by holding off on a Zak lynch.  Worst case scenario, he's scum and we lynch him later.  Best case scenario, he's a cop and we get at least one cleared town (Schezo) or two (plus one confirmed town) if for whatever reason scumteam doesn't axe him tonight.  Sorry Pesco, can't agree with you on this one.

@Zak: I must ask that if you live through the day, do not divulge who you are planning on checking tonight.

You say later in your reply to Raikaria that you "compared A to B" and chose IHNN over Zak - why can't you share those A's and B's?

"I think a is scummier than B."  Forgive me, but I have trouble quantifying that; I'm afraid there's nothing to share.  Call it gut if you must, but at some point whenever one makes a decision, one weighs their choices on a personal scale at some level.

About Shadoweh, do you read her one way or another?

Anyone I didn't mention is probably neutral atm.  Shadoweh is included here.

Just wondering, but what would the scum motivation be?

Scum have every motivation to secure a mislynch.  I assumed this one was self-explanatory; we're talking about someone who flipped town.  Again, ask yourself - what town motivation would have have?

~

I think I might like this Lethicul chap, but I want to see what he has to say of today's happenings.

Bledibleh: Is my lord and saviour, cannot vote on grounds of heresy.

;_; I forgive you for rolling scum this game, my son.  May you find peace in hatfarming.

~

WTB Serela and Shadoweh.  Come back!

[Edible]

@Zak: I must ask that if you live through the day, do not divulge who you are planning on checking tonight.

Er, until tomorrow.

Drinks! <_<

[Raitaki]

but after you vote Dormio you say this:which implied that you still thought Dormio was town, thus making you think that you would be "lynched so hard" if Dormio flipped scum `_`

...By that I mean I keep doing double takes on you guys and starting out with "weeeeeell he doesn't look really  scummy to me..."

:V

[Kilgamayan]

Psalter

Pesco (1): Zakeri
Dormio (3): Edible, Schezo, Raitaki
Serela (2): Polaris, BT
Zakeri (5): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh, Serela, Raikaria

Not voting (1): Lecithul

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 47 hours left in the day.

Zakeri is at L-2!

[Polaris]

So, uh, I would personally prefer it if we didn't lynch the cop :derp: So everyone who's on the Zak wagon should address the cop claim if they haven't already done so.

[Lecithul]

Whoops, don't have much time but I'll try to get some stuff down.

I find that I agree with most of Edible's post, though I'm going to be re-reading Pesco and Dormio tomorrow when I have time.

I don't really think Serela has been lurking, but I certainly agree with Polaris's second point as it's pretty much what I accused Serela of myself. Speaking of Serela, haven't gotten an answer yet sooo

##Vote: Serela

Reading further, it appears that I misunderstood what Polaris meant by Serela ignoring him, so nevermind about that. Looks like it started a conversation anyway though, so huh.

(Sorry to disappoint, Edible? :P)

[Polaris]

as far as I can tell serela is lurking right this very instant. serela do you want to check in for us

[Serela]

excuse me I have been typing a big post for a while :C

[Polaris]

ok sorry gosh :<

[Serela]

I am having difficulty remembering what my reads are now that I am actually back and not sleep deprived or having to leave in 10 minutes or anything like that, so I am going to make a big list and then go from there. I knooooow Polly and BT want to talk to me too, and maybe other people I forgot, please re-ask me because I am even more forgetful then usual lately! (I am minorly worried about losing my job because I've forgotten to clock in or out of work a few times this week >_> I was fine before I took that trip...)



1. NekoNekoRex -> Raitaki - Raitaki hasn't existed long enough to properly read but he doesn't look like a huge scumbag so far
12. Affinity -> Lecithul - See previous Answer
2. Edible - Uninterested. He hasn't done a whole lot though, either, as far as I can remember at least. Buuut the stuff he says looks pretty good, so, not worried right now. Flips would be better for seeing what's up here I think!
3. Serela - Oh hey it's me!

4. Dormio - Blatantly sheeping the people with cases on Dormio, but I have to there's big points (like weirdly going after the IHNN wagon over Zak) that are only really damning if Zak flips scum. So, it'd make sense to lynch Zak first... wouldn't it? :S Schezo says the opposite, though. The action is really weird regardless of Zak's alignment, in the end, I guess, it's just that it's so much worse if Zak is scum. Uh, I should probably just go ahead and do a full reread on Dormio later.
5. Polaris - Talks a lot but barely seems to actually say anything with any decent basing at all. At the same time though, is kind of like Raikaria that at least he's actively poking and talking and stuff, which is hard to continously do as scum; except Polly's looks a lot lazier and poke-fighty rather then actual interesting discussion. I have no source of scum!Polly meta though, I don't think he's even BEEN scum before. Would lynch, but not exactly the strongest scumread. :T
8. Schezo - town
9. BT - probably also town
10. Pesco - I'm not sure how to read this guy. He seems to be almost entirely concentrated about Zak's claiming status, though. Zak didn't claim, this is why he didn't claim, if he claims X he's useless and we lynch him, his claim is now too stale so lynch, etc. Unless he's expected to claim immediately on d2 start I'm not sure what kind of standards these are supposed to even be based on how Pesco's posts today on the matter have progressed! He asks some questions but presents no non-claim-based analysis himself. Would lynch
13. Raikaria - Raikaria has done a good bit of scummy shit. But at the same time... he seems to be putting so much effort in and making many posts about things that it's hard to imagine he's actually scum. It's like, impossible to keep that stuff up as scum and he just keeps going and going. :S This makes me confused but I know I can't get him lynched if I tried ANYWAY, so I'm going to not care right now.
11. Zakeri - Oh god he claimed cop, what?
So, even though to be honest I kind of want to just lynch Zak -anyway-, it'd be -really nice- to give D2 a chance to have wagon development and cool discussion and stuff instead of "everyone agrees to lynch zak immediately", as cool as it is to actually have that kind of quick group decision already >_> If everyone can't decide on anyone else we'll just lynch Zak regardless, but I'm pretty sure we have sufficient scumbodies around to be lynching here so it's not a big deal. Also if he did turn out to be cop it's cool to have more results yeah, so that's just kind of there.

And "We'll talk about other people but just lynch Zak k guys" is not a seriously suggestible alternative because the driven discussion kind of has an air of pointlessness/fakey to it if that was the case, or at least it would to me, idk I don't enjoy putting a lot of effort into acts of futility usually, but it's not like anyone would listen to me about this I imagine in any case, so.

I didn't get around to properly addressing Shadoweh in any manner because I've been working on this post for a long time now (I'm adding this in after finishing the rest of the post) and I am tired and honestly I cannot remember anything she's done other then somewhat strange buddying of me that I don't really mind because BEST BUDDIES SHADOWEH and yay doesn't think I'm scum <3 Except that I really should get around to seeing if she's a huge scumbag before I let her hug me

For example, in this one, he basically says some variant of "hey, do you guys want to lynch X? If you do, that'd be great, I'm in" for three different people. He then goes on to vote for the person out of his three people who is the least likely to be lynched, as Schezo pointed out. He later decides to reiterate his beliefs a couple of posts later. That whole thing makes me feel like he wanted to get a wagon to form on Raikaria or Zak so that he could jump on it at an appropriate time that doesn't look scummy.

A.This is called "I have scumreads and I want them lynched, here is why I think they are scum, do you want to lynch them with me"
it's pretty normal D:
B.No one had really commented on Affinity much. I figured it'd be worth at least seriously suggesting the possibility of lynching him! I was going to be around to change my vote and I did because a Zak wagon suddenly skyrocketed out of nowhere, and then... uh, it's good it did, since I ended up being busy afterwords until post-deadline >_>
C.There was already a significant wagon on Raikaria, silly. The thing is, it'd been there all day, people had already weighed in opinions, it didn't seem likely to grow any :/ I thought IHNN was town and wanted someone other then him lynched so I was like "CAN WE LYNCH ONE OF THESE INSTEAD".
Also I think successfully starting a wagon is generally viewed as townier then jumping onto one someone else makes? I'm not sure though. It's probably too situational.

As for the quote, the first > was what I did and the second > was what Pesco said was would would have made more sense for me to do to follow up. The point was that it didn't make sense. (Although, I'm not sure how this is very relevant to much anymore)

Wait, where was I? Oh yeah. Pesco/Polly favored lynches. Also Zakeri.

[Serela]

Wait, where was I? Oh yeah. Pesco/Polly favored lynches. Also Zakeri.

Wow! I posted without editing this, which I typed way before the post was actually done and I went back and edited all sorts of things.

For one thing,
##unvote Zakeri ##vote Pesco
Also that my Polly read got weaker when I thought about it more, but it's still there, and stuff. And I need to reread Dormio properly but he sounds pretty off.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Don't feel like dropping Zakeri, but I think I will read more stuff now that I'm on break and am hungry maybe.

[Shadoweh]

Okay, I am back and after a quick glance I think I will
##Unvote
Before rereading and going any further. Why the fuck is there still a wagon on Zak when no one's counterclaimed him? I can understand Pesco's point about the lag yesterday, but it's not enough to lynch someone who's probably going to die this early.

Edit: I CAN'T GET ONE POST OFF WITHOUT ONE OF YOU JERKS DOING THIS TO ME

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

First let's get shorter things out of the way first. Actually reading Affinity and Lecithul for example.

And damn, is Affinity's section short.
Going to regard #147 as Affinity's only content, and I don't like it.
Basically, both "textbook scummy" for Raikaria and "NNR being NNR" for NNR seems like such a cop out to me.
On top of that I think that they conflict. How come Affinity doesn't bother to apply context to Raikaria's actions when he will for NNR?
Dunno about Lecithul but his posts so far seem... un-something at best.
I'm not quite sure what it's un- yet.
But yeah I don't like this slot.

Also, kneejerk reaction to Raitaki's posts is lynch to the face. Will read later.

Also, Swadomeh, I dunno I prefer not to think about roles at all when looking for people to lynch. It's too much of a headache to take into consideration imo.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

And then I'm reminded of why I don't want to read that mess with Pesco and NNR.
Yuck.

[Shadoweh]

It's more that I would really prefeer that he were nightkilled. That's probably weird to hear but it's his fault for not being my disciple.

your problem with Lethicul probably involves how he suspects Polaris for attacking Serela and then agrees and votes Serela. I disagree with it but I would rather give him a night to sate my curiousity.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So I gave up on reading NNR in the immediate future and tried to read Serela instead.
My brain hurts more. It's suffering from a distinct lack of hats. Maybe I'll try to read someone simple like Swadomeh instead.

[Schezo]

^
Active lurking. Vote him already.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's more that I would really prefeer that he were nightkilled.

But then if you expect it and then scum go against your expectations dumb things and paranoia happen which leads to nothing getting done fast anywhere.
Not to mention there could be all sorts of things to disable claimed roles etc.
But setup speculation is dumb so whatever.
I just think scummy people should be killed at the earliest point possible.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Chill Schezo I'll get around to reading people when you update monopoly.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Eh, nope. Not really seeing Swadomeh as scummy so whatever I guess.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Ugh I've read through Serela's posts so many times but my brain doesn't retain anything that Serela did. Goddamn.

Gut still says that Serela is probably town though. So there's that at least.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But at the same time I really don't like how Serela addressed Zakeri in his latest post.
Because after having gone after Zakeri that hard yesterday, his opinion about him in his latest post is really... fluffy?
I don't get the point of what Serela is saying about people's voting behaviours and stuff.
Actually I'm going to try to read Serela again.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

To expand on the fluffy thing it's like Serela... I dunno. Something about that paragraph doesn't read right to me.
I mean I kind of get the vibe that Serela isn't convinced by his own scum read of Zakeri.
Whatever, more reading.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, random ~conspiracy theory~ action feat. Serela.
His latest post clearly outlines a lynch plan to kill everybody.
It would be like whatever lynch goes today.
Then Zakeri wouldn't be NK'd and therefore lynched tomorrow.
And then that lynch would be followed up with mine.

Eh. I dunno, I do kind of get this vibe from Serela's post actually.

[Pesco]

He wasn't obvtown to me.
The stated reason why I can't is because Moriya Shrine is always guilty forever anyways. I suppose I could still technically try, but I'm not going to waste an investigation on confirmed paranoid results.
Unless the scumteam literally is Dormio/Polaris/Serela, but that seems weird and not something a reasonable mod like Kilga would ever do.

Still don't like the sound of this condition. If he's scum he can pull any town result from his ass and it'll be good enough to look legit. Consider that you questioned his choice to cop Schezo, whom you called obvtown. Since you already think Schezo is town, a claimed town result doesn't make you think twice about it.

Day 1 needs a reread to look at general feeling towards the three that he apparently can't cop. If town was better off knowing the alignment of any of them, it's too much of a coincidence that he would not want to make such a check.

[Pesco]

FWIW Dormio and Serela are possible lynches today. It's far too suspicious that they're never going to be role confirmable and a lynch has to be used to get a clear.

[Shadoweh]

Chill Schezo I'll get around to reading people when you update monopoly.

So never right
Honestly I don't see what Dormio's doing that's any different then what he normally does. Same with Serela, he's pretty obvtown so I don't get why he's even a wagon still. (Dormio: Have you ever known Serela to be convinced of anything?)

Pesco: It's not that hard to analyze since two of the three are the leading wagons. As far as limitations to powers goes though it makes sense that he can't cop anyone of his own alignment that he 'trusts'. It does imply that one of them are scum though.

I thought I was imagining this because of all the Rai posts but Raikaria hasn't posted since Zak's claim went up. Rairai what do you think and are you jumping onto a better train here?