DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I forgot you were in this game too.
Goddamnit people why are you all so forgettable?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh right I forgot Serela said that he wouldn't be here for 1.5 days.
Anyway.
IHNN: Since you're gunning for Rawr, thoughts about PX?

[I have no name]

thoughts about PX?

PX is in this game?

I'm forgettable this game from having not really posted in DEFCON 3 due to being busy all day.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yes, and since you're voting Rawr for low effort content, I'm wondering what you think of people like PX who have no content whatsoever.

[I have no name]

I think PX needs to post stuff so I can actually read him.  I'll pass an opinion on him when I actually can.
For me I was active in DEFCON 4 so you could I guess get a starting read off that.  PX's posts in that phase...translation, "meh sure" and pointing out scumroleshenangians in the plan (which of course, assume scum actually took what they were told)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So your opinion is that you have none?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Let me follow that up with another question.
What makes Rawr's low effort scummier than PX's no effort?

[Raikaria]

Yeah I really don't like NNR's #146 and others.
Like what is with the AtE there? Why is there a need to mention annoyance at the game state without saying what annoys you?
I mean, it seems like the main focus of your frustration is coming from the attack on Raikaria and I'm left wondering why this frustrates you so.

On the topic of Raikaria I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth.
The whole overly defensive behaviour really strikes me as being very odd. Especially when we get Raikaria's weirdass scenario where everybody will magically jump onto him for no reason whatsover in the first few hours into the game.
I mean I think that it's way too paranoid.
Coupled with NNR, I don't like it.
I also don't like that Raikaria's only reason for voting for Dan over BT was that BT moved his vote.
I mean isn't that basically saying that Raikaria is OMGUS'ing?
And it's really too early to judge given that Dan didn't even post before Raikaria voted him.

I'm always the hyper-defensive conspiracy theorist. In addition I always get an ED1 wagon.

Also, my vote will remain on AnctionDan for reasons that other people have made clear. He's not even playing. He's refusing to give more information when asked for his opinions, and I'm not sure if he's made a post with an actual sentence yet. Until I get a clear scumread, or ActionDan steps up, I'll be keeping my vote there. At the point I placed my vote neither Don or BT had been contributing.

Now, on the topic of scumreads, not liking the whole NNR v HW exchange myself, mainly because of this post:

ok: NNR you have a huge wall of text complaining about me. am i scum, a null read or what

I fail to see any great wall of text complaining about you from NNR. #146 is mainly talking about NNR's own vote and him/her being annoyed, and Dan being annoying. Why accuse NNR of forming a wall of text against you when he hardly mentioned you? Either you're not reading or are making things up to appeal to the people who are not reading.

Not enough for a solid scumread, but still seems funny to me.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Why defend NNR?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, I like how you just adopt other people's reasoning after very clearly stating that you didn't have any other reasons.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

In regards to Dan over BT that is.

[PX]

I just realized the flaw in the role list plan: the lynchlist is the fucking potential doc. Roleclop, search anyone who claims treason, huh what has a lynchlist, and I only remember him setting one up as scum. Also, I'm fuck all tired, so I'm not even going to read mafia until Saturday when I finally get a damn break.

##Unvote
##Vote huh what

[Raikaria]

Why defend NNR?

Because Huh What is calling NNR out on something he did not do? It doesn't matter who was calling who out, if they're calling them out for false info, I'll call them out on it. Why defend Rawr?

Also, I like how you just adopt other people's reasoning after very clearly stating that you didn't have any other reasons.

What other reason is there when the limit of contribution from ActionDan is but a few words? There's not exactly much else to go on in regards to ActionDan. And, as I said in my previous post, at the time of me voting, neither ActionDan nor BT had been saying much, but at least BT showed he wasn't just a sheep riding a wagon. Both Dan and BT just jumped on Rawr's vote, without giving reasons. BT then hopped off, showing he wasn't just riding wagons. At the stage we were at, there isn't exactly much else to say about my reasons at that time.

[Raikaria]

IDK why I said Rawr's vote. It was Huh What's vote. I have no clue why I keep calling HW Rawr.

[Raikaria]

And for that matter why did I say 'Why defend Rawr'. Oh god I'm derpy with names this morning.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I was about to ask where I was defending Rawr.
Though I would also like to ask how I'm defending HW.

Because Huh What is calling NNR out on something he did not do? It doesn't matter who was calling who out, if they're calling them out for false info, I'll call them out on it. Why defend Rawr?

That's perfectly good and all if you're staging an attack on HW but it didn't seem that way to me.
Rather it seemed like you were defending NNR rather than attacking HW.
There is an important difference between the two in my opinion.

What other reason is there when the limit of contribution from ActionDan is but a few words? There's not exactly much else to go on in regards to ActionDan. And, as I said in my previous post, at the time of me voting, neither ActionDan nor BT had been saying much, but at least BT showed he wasn't just a sheep riding a wagon. Both Dan and BT just jumped on Rawr's vote, without giving reasons. BT then hopped off, showing he wasn't just riding wagons. At the stage we were at, there isn't exactly much else to say about my reasons at that time.

Do you have any reasons other than Dan shifting his vote for voting for Dan rather than BT?

Not really at this stage of the game.

The consistency here really jumps out at me.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

In case my thoughts aren't clear, I'll lay them out.
I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, Dan and PX are lame.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Too busy having all the posts. All of them.

[Raikaria]

I was about to ask where I was defending Rawr.
Though I would also like to ask how I'm defending HW.

The same way you think I'm defending NNR. I'm not defending anyone. If Huh What had made that claim against anyone, I'd have called him out for it, unless it was justified. It's an attack on Huh What, pointing out his false claim, not defending NNR.

If you accuse me of defending NNR in response, it looks like you are defending Huh What to me.

In case my thoughts aren't clear, I'll lay them out.
I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.

I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.

Don't care. Paranoia over a wagon that appeared for no reason denotes a guilty conscience in my books.

Anyway, maybe you're right in regards to attacking HW v. defending NNR. Dunno.
Except with stuff like

I don't have any hard scumreads yet, but Raikaria is the closest I can find for that at the moment.  His responses so far have been pretty lackluster. If my vote were a prod for reactions, then he would have failed :V

Except Raikaria's earlier posts were pregame nonsense? I don't know where you're getting a scumread from that DEFCON 4 stuff myself.

this from NNR, I'm pretty fishy about anything the two of you do in relation to each other.

Also, NNR fence-sitting with his opinion on HW is totally scummy. Just saying.

[Raikaria]

Don't care. Paranoia over a wagon that appeared for no reason denotes a guilty conscience in my books.

Anyway, maybe you're right in regards to attacking HW v. defending NNR. Dunno.
Except with stuff likethis from NNR, I'm pretty fishy about anything the two of you do in relation to each other.

Also, NNR fence-sitting with his opinion on HW is totally scummy. Just saying.

Town don't want to be lynched either. People playing a game usually don't want to stop.

I presume what is making you think NNR's reactions at two different points in the game, almost a day apart, is fishy, is the fact he changed his mind, or found someone he dislikes more than me? I fail to see what is so fishy about someone changing their mind in a day, especially at this stage of the game, where the content to look at probobly more than doubled.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

And why the fuck would you be worried about being lynched by an ED1 wagon. It's paranoia I say.
After all, I don't think an ED1 powerlynch has actually ever occurred.
It's pretty contradictory how he states that he disliked your reactions to the ED1 wagon and that you were probably scum to him because of it but then in the very next post that he makes he says that he can't understand where anyone could possibly see your reactions as being scummy.
It makes me think that he simply said what he did to get a response out there which he promptly forgot about.
Also, a day apart? Try something closer to 3 hours.
And it's not about finding someone he dislikes more than you. That would be far more understandable.
What he did was completely change his opinion about you from probably scum to how could he be scum?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, a day apart? Try something closer to 3 hours.

Or 2.5 hours even.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Just chilling in my weirdass timezone where all the Americas are asleep.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also if Conq isn't carefully there are, like, totally going to be pages without votecounts.

Also I think I may have gone slightly insane at some point in time.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Whatever.

[Raikaria]

Or 2.5 hours even.

For me the first post was marked 'Yesterday' and the 2nd post was marked 'Today'.

It crossed 12:00 am GMT.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Does that change the fact that the time lapsed was only 2.5 hours?
In fact, the fact that you worded it that way to make it seem like a longer period of time that it was could be seen as an attempt to further defend your friend NNR.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Just saying.

[I have no name]

Let me follow that up with another question.
What makes Rawr's low effort scummier than PX's no effort?

"The evil you know over the evil you don't know".  Information will make itself available with time, so the person that looks bad is marginally worse than the person that has done nothing, as of right now.

Anyways going to be AFK for at least 6 hours so yeah.  Also 3 hours of sleep for the loss.