Pictures of Birds Mafia - Game Over

[Raikaria]

Eh, I still don't agree with the wagon on NNR, but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.

Will only vote NNR as a consolation, which is looking more and more likly to happen because nothing else is picking up any steam... or much reason to lynch at all.

[NekoNekoRex]

Eh, I still don't agree with the wagon on NNR, but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.

Will only vote NNR as a consolation, which is looking more and more likly to happen because nothing else is picking up any steam... or much reason to lynch at all.

So the answer is obviously to take the easy way out by apathy posting while your vote sits around unused. At this rate I'll get lynched because town is too lazy to find somebody else to vote.

[NekoNekoRex]

PROTIP: Try actually putting some pressure on the lurkers and see if they actually budge to post something useful.

[NekoNekoRex]

In fact, you have plenty of damn fine reasons to put a vote down.

Like these ones:

My bad there. Still, both you and Conq are just bandwagoning.

And these

but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.

Hell, you listed Conq twice. Go vote that guy already if you really mean it.

[NekoNekoRex]

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

Here's some motivation.

PX if you're not going to be here for deadline does that mean you're not going to address me at all?

[PX]

So your response to watching someone you don't want to get lynched is to... sit back and watch him get lynched? I think we've found our scumteam.

Cut by NNR stealing my post.

Double cut by the same person....

[Raikaria]

Obviously people ignore my previous statement.

Damned if I do: Something could happen that changes my vote mind. People have had a go at me for switching votes already when that happened, like with Zakeri. Taking your example, if I voted Dormio and then he became active, half the town would bitch at me when I unvote.

Damned if I don't: I don't vote and wait to make up my mind, and people have a go at me for THAT.

Honestly. Regardless of what I do, I get yelled at. You guys are never happy.

Sorry, just feel like ranting about that. It's frustrating. Vote and get yelled at and called scummy, don't vote and wait and yelled at and called scummy for it.

Make up your minds town. At this point I almost want to see how you'd react if I selfvoted.

##Vote Conqueror

Wagon Riding and seeing if town would stop moaning at me [Although when you inevitably unvote or explain and I lose my logic to vote you and unvote they'll whine at me ANYWAY]

[PX]

Your Affinity vote makes fuck sense, you Serela vote came out of nowhere once you had no ground on the Affinity vote, note did you expand on why you voted him or dropped him, Serela vote was dropped to vote the most current lack of content person (not that I disagree with the vote), and the way you came to the vote with your post streak doesn't feel right with me. I could look some time before deadline but the two I would lynch are NNR and Raikaria.

edit: Why are you so concerned about how other people look at you? Your main concern should be finding scum, not trying to be as town as possible to other people's eyes.

[Raikaria]

edit: Why are you so concerned about how other people look at you? Your main concern should be finding scum, not trying to be as town as possible to other people's eyes.

I'm more concerned about how regardless of what I do someone starts calling me scummy and people say they want to lynch me. It can't work both ways.

Besides, as town, one of your objectives is to not get yourself lynched. It's equally important to finding scum, because if you're town, and the town thinks you are town, that narrows down the pool, doesn't it? 1 less townie in the lynching pool, making it easier to find scum.

[PX]

Then stop whining about it and convince other people why they should lynch who you're voting instead of you.

[Conqueror]

Catching up. But first:

Raikaria: How am I bandwagoning/wagon riding? I gave my reasons:
Unspecific jab at noname without talking about which post he thought was bad or why
Soft defense of raikaria without talking about why votes on raikaria are bad
Soft buddying of me, saying he liked my posts when I made like 2 and they were both focusing on one person.

But reading the rest now.

[Raikaria]

Catching up. But first:

Raikaria: How am I bandwagoning/wagon riding? I gave my reasons:
Unspecific jab at noname without talking about which post he thought was bad or why
Soft defense of raikaria without talking about why votes on raikaria are bad
Soft buddying of me, saying he liked my posts when I made like 2 and they were both focusing on one person.

But reading the rest now.

OK, so those were actual reasons? Not just questions you were asking?

When the first thing you say after voting someone is 'I can dig this wagon' it gives the impression you just want to ride it, to me, at least.

Also, he's answered your questions now, so unless you're unsatisfied with the answers, you should unvote, by all rights.

[Conqueror]

48 hour days are awful for getting good wagons.

NNR looking better.

Uhh, not sure about Zak, but I want him to explain this statement:

The lumping votes on NNR is making me want to shy away from. Scum is likely on his wagon as of that post.

So...who's the scum on his wagon? That doesn't jive with the statement later on in that post that you think Serela and Raikaria are scum.

Shadoweh is probably scum; she's still voting IHNN for this:

I think he could be scum because scum I have no name blatantly misunderstands the thread and posts nonsense.

which is a godawful piece of meta which isn't even valid because IHNN can be contradictory etc as town too.

Don't have a read on IHNN but he's more engaged in the game than Shadoweh at least.

Don't know what Dormio/Serela are doing. Either could be scum but probably not together.

Unfortunately Raikaria is probably town. His effort in this game is a lot better than in last game.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Can we do this? Going to look over Zak again.

Pedit: Yeah, I was just doing that. Also, I was using a figure of speech.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: They were questions I were asking that tied into why I was voting him.

(3) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, I have no name
(2) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity
(3) Raikaria - WHMZakeri, Hero999, NekoNekoRex
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
(1) Conqueror - Raikaria

This is the votecount I think. about 5 to 6 hours left?

I'd take Zak over NNR and Raikaria I guess, but I don't really have a strong feeling on him.

[WHMZakeri]

@Raikaria: It's always hard to understand why people are voting you, and talking to them about their two-faced nature isn't going to convince them that they are wrong. Your best bet if you're town is to just try and scumhunt harder, and to comment on anything that sticks out like a bent nail. Just be natural, since being natural is the easiest way for a person to get a town read on you.

That said, the fact that you unvoted and were too scared to do anything does a lot worse for you than what I said about you switching votes to everybody. Town should never be -that- hesitant about scumhunting. Do it even if someone says they're going to vote for you (especially if they already are.)

I've accepted NNR's response to my question. I have no reasons to see his lynch other than to make it easier to slam on the people who are already voting for him.
Actually, I don't even have that, Since Conqueror is my strongest scum read on the entire wagon, and I wouldn't even be that heartbroken about him living.

Between the Three wagons, I'll have to stay with my vote, but it'd be nice if we would get a surprise wagon going on Shadoweh or Conqueror

!Edit: Actually, Since Conqueror agrees with me about Shadoweh, I'm going to take the chance.
##Unvote: Raikaria
##Vote: Shadoweh

I've been trying to peg her for the poor reasoning against Nameless all day so far, but I'm going to go ahead and throw the fact that she hasn't commented on anything else on top of that.

[WHMZakeri]

So...who's the scum on his wagon?

Semi-answered in my last post, but I'll clearify: Saying there's scum on the wagon is just a blanket statement that I left out there so that when people call me on it, I'll have had enough time to figure out who it is, but for some weird reason there isn't actually someone on the wagon that I would vote for besides for consolidation. It threw me off when I noticed, but it doesn't matter since scum is everywhere else as well.

[Conqueror]

Ah, thanks. Yeah, don't really want a Zak wagon.

Full steam ahead on Shadoweh then. No one thinks she's town; the lack of attention she's been receiving despite her coasting and lack of content is pretty suspicious too. Her entire ISO is just potshots at people without any followup.

[NekoNekoRex]

Your Affinity vote makes fuck sense, you Serela vote came out of nowhere once you had no ground on the Affinity vote, note did you expand on why you voted him or dropped him, Serela vote was dropped to vote the most current lack of content person (not that I disagree with the vote), and the way you came to the vote with your post streak doesn't feel right with me. I could look some time before deadline but the two I would lynch are NNR and Raikaria.

Dropped affinity because by the time I actually voted, affinity had moved on to someone else. Aside from that, Affinity looks town to me right now, so the vote was vastly dated.

Serela's still useless, I'm not dropping her just yet. Current vote is exactly what's stated on the post I put the vote in. Apathy is bad and Raikaria needs a good old fashioned voteprod to get to work. I don't think it was a waste of time to do it. Will probably reread Raikaria's posts and switch back if.... *checks profile*... he is worth keeping the vote down.

Sorry, just feel like ranting about that. It's frustrating. Vote and get yelled at and called scummy, don't vote and wait and yelled at and called scummy for it.

Welcome to Mafia! Sometimes you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Put more effort into convictions if you want to look more town, really.

People who specify their gender on their profile are the true heroes of MotK

[Raikaria]

Unfortunately Raikaria is probably town. His effort in this game is a lot better than in last game.

Hey, I made effort last game. Just not town effort.

I gotta agree with the points on Shadoweh, and my Conq vote reasons no longer hold water anyway. Shadoweh has been lurky, which is always a good 'when in doubt' lynch D1, and what she *has* posted is just... ew.

As I've said before, I don't have a town-read on Shadoweh, so I'm more than fine lynching my Ex-Waifu.

##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

(3) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, I have no name
(3) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria
(2) Raikaria - Hero999, NekoNekoRex
(2) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 4 hours and 30 minutes left in the day.

[Polaris]

will be busy w/ psat tomorrow so don't expect many votals

psat hi5

Oh no we have like four hours left

I'm all for a surprise wagon on Conq but I don't know if anyone other than Zak would support it :L
I'm ok with lynching Shadoweh for given reasons but I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it.
Would like to see NNR's updated stances on Raikaria/Serela. NNR doesn't look like he's looking for scum; the voteprod on Raikaria makes him look like he's doing something, but I don't see any intention of lynching the scums.
Raikaria is almost infuriatingly passive so I support his lynch if the others don't happen.
I don't support anyone else's lynch for today.

[Serela]

okay just woke up a little bit ago

and now I need to run to the shower and then getting pulled out to go somewhere, so, basically I'm not going to be back for another couple hours (figured this is relevant because deadline is like, -right there-)

I'm super not interested in NNR wagon still, and I kind of agree with the shadoweh wagon but I have no time to actually type anything about that, sorrryyyyy :c BBL

##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh

[Shadoweh]

I thought you knew better then last minute speed wagons Conq.  IHNN had literally not posted anything since then, what did you expect my mind to change? :p One sec while I update my yugioh uploads. I guess I'm voting Neko then even though Raikaria looked way worse? SORRY KID IT'S YOU OR ME IN THIS COLD WORLD

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex

[Hero999]

....Are we really doing this? :\
Anyways...going with people I like believe in more, Since I still don't see stuff. Also because my sister said so.
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex

[I have no name]

Hey, if we quickwagon someone, can we quickwagon Dormio please?

Failing that obviously I think NNR looks weird, not necessarily scummy but not townie either, and Zakeri is playing?
Raikaria I don't think would flip scum at the moment, and Shadoweh...my read on her depends on her next post I guess.

[WHMZakeri]

Hey, if we quickwagon someone, can we quickwagon Dormio please?

Failing that obviously I think NNR looks weird, not necessarily scummy but not townie either, and Zakeri is playing?
Raikaria I don't think would flip scum at the moment, and Shadoweh...my read on her depends on her next post I guess.

We quickwagoned Dormio last game.
can your read of shadoweh be done on her last post two posts above yours?

[I have no name]

Her last post is Not Me Over Me.

We quickwagoned Dormio last game.

and eventually it's going to hit scum!

[PX]

Just finished driving to LA with 4 hours until the movie. I see we're jumping on Shadoweh, and I don't oppose this lynch.

[PX]

You know what, screw it. Shadoweh probably has a better chance at flipping scum than NNR at this moment. NNR still isn't convincing me, but Shadoweh has been much worse.

Unvote
Vote Shadoweh

[PX]

Edit: And that's L-2

Now off to the theatre!