Stuff you wish to see in fandom more

[Clarste]

I thought the thing about Murasa still drowning people was Akyuu/Aya/whoever wrote her SOPM article possibly trying to slander her to keep a divide up between humans and youkai.

You can read it that way, but the symposium itself makes it pretty clear that the youkai at the temple are up to no good behind her back. That may only be pranks and alcohol, but if they're not upholding some of their Buddhist values why would the people of the village assume they'd hold any of them? And it's pretty much undisputed that youkai need to attack humans, whatever that means. Even Byakuren's solution to that problem is to break down their sense of self with Buddhism. Which clearly isn't working since they aren't listening to her.

[Ikari]

You can read it that way, but the symposium itself makes it pretty clear that the youkai at the temple are up to no good behind her back. That may only be pranks and alcohol, but if they're not upholding some of their Buddhist values why would the people of the village assume they'd hold any of them? And it's pretty much undisputed that youkai need to attack humans, whatever that means. Even Byakuren's solution to that problem is to break down their sense of self with Buddhism. Which clearly isn't working since they aren't listening to her.

I...

*weeps*

I seriously wish they were nicer and I could call Byakuren the holy savior and pray her and stuff, but it's pretty much undebatable that they aren't really following the rules. It makes me sad. Oh so very sad.

[AnonymousPondScum]

You can read it that way, but the symposium itself makes it pretty clear that the youkai at the temple are up to no good behind her back. That may only be pranks and alcohol, but if they're not upholding some of their Buddhist values why would the people of the village assume they'd hold any of them? And it's pretty much undisputed that youkai need to attack humans, whatever that means. Even Byakuren's solution to that problem is to break down their sense of self with Buddhism. Which clearly isn't working since they aren't listening to her.

Yeah, fine, whatever. I just wish people would interpret that more as "You can't solve all problems" instead of as "Byakuren is a latent hypocrite and therefore trash".

[Ikari]

Yeah, fine, whatever. I just wish people would interpret that more as "You can't solve all problems" instead of as "Byakuren is a latent hypocrite and therefore trash".

This. Thank you. I had lost all hope that I wasn't the only one that loved Byakuren.

[lightdreamer]

I...

*weeps*

I seriously wish they were nicer and I could call Byakuren the holy savior and pray her and stuff, but it's pretty much undebatable that they aren't really following the rules. It makes me sad. Oh so very sad.

I know that feel. I feel the same towards the Watatsukis.

Well, except that whole "holy savior" and "pray to her" part.

Yeah, fine, whatever. I just wish people would interpret that more as "You can't solve all problems" instead of as "Byakuren is a latent hypocrite and therefore trash".

I seriously don't think there are people out there who really think of her as the latter.

This. Thank you. I had lost all hope that I wasn't the only one that loved Byakuren.

I like Byakuren too, you know. One of my favorite Touhous. But I like her not as the faultless "youkai messiah", but as a good person with potentially questionable ideals.

[Ikari]

More like out-of-place ideals, like Kanako or Miko.

Kanako wants to bring Gensokyo to an industrial era, Byakuren wants to make everyone equal, Miko wants a government.

What are those values like? They're like those people have HERE. In the human world. Gensokyo is the opposite of here, so obviously everyone is pretty much calling them whack-jobs.

[Clarste]

I favor the idea that everyone is trying to do the right thing as best as they are able. However, that doesn't mean they'll succeed or even that their methods make any sense in the first place. Conflict between characters like the moon wars and the religion wars doesn't mean that one side or the other is wrong, just that they have different perspectives. I can sympathize with both Yukari and the Watatsukis, with Byakuren and Miko. None of them are bad people, they just have different values and beliefs that put them in conflict.

Except Tenshi. I hate Tenshi. :V

Also, I'm not sure they're really out of place. The discussion between Byakuren and Miko in SoPM basically mirrors the discussion between Kasen and Reimu in WaHH, which itself goes back to ideas brought up by Keine in BAiJR. The human-youkai conflict and whether peace is possible or desirable is one of the central themes of the series.

[lightdreamer]

Except Tenshi. I hate Tenshi. :V

Ooh, you're so on my shit list now.  :V

[Ikari]

Ooh, you're so on my shit list now.  :V

I love Tenshi too :V She's a bratty rich kid, but an awesome bratty rich kid.

Kinda how like Seiga is a total bitch, but that makes her likable.

[lightdreamer]

I love Tenshi too :V She's a bratty rich kid, but an awesome bratty rich kid.

Kinda how like Seiga is a total bitch, but that makes her likable.

You know, I never really view Tenshi as a rich kid, just an arrogant one.

[AnonymousPondScum]

You know, I never really view Tenshi as a rich kid, just an arrogant one.

Not everyone gets into the Celestial heaven, so we figure Tenshi and co. are well to do in some way or another.

Funny thing is despite Yukari and Reimu bitching at them IIRC the rest of the Celestials that AREN'T Tenshi are actually pretty chill.

[Ikari]

You know, I never really view Tenshi as a rich kid, just an arrogant one.

I mean that Tenshi has food as much as she wants, a place to sleep, does nothing of her days, never gets scolded, etc... She always lived in the dream life of many of gensokyo's residents, making it quite close to the definition of rich kid here.

Funny thing is despite Yukari and Reimu bitching at them IIRC the rest of the Celestials that AREN'T Tenshi are actually pretty chill.

Yeah, celestials usually attain illumination, thus are pretty much nice people.

Tenshi got dragged by her parents, so she isn't an ''illuminated soul'' like the others.

[Drake]

Not only did she not get into Heaven through discipline, her whole family didn't get in through discipline; they got in by being subservient to priests that later turned into divine spirits. On top of that, Chiko wasn't part of this servitude and simply came along with her family. So her family isn't in Heaven for any normal reason, and she's a rich kid of that family.

[Ikari]

Not only did she not get into Heaven through discipline, her whole family didn't get in through discipline; they got in by being subservient to priests that later turned into divine spirits. On top of that, Chiko wasn't part of this servitude and simply came along with her family. So her family isn't in Heaven for any normal reason, and she's a rich kid of that family.

Wow, I didn't know all that. Thanks!

But yeah, she's a genuinely arrogant, bratty, bored kid. And that makes her awesome IMO, in an out-of-real-life-context.

[Error]

I wonder if that monologue written in PMiSS applies to SoPM as well?

[lightdreamer]

I wonder if that monologue written in PMiSS applies to SoPM as well?

What monologue?

[fondue]

Okay we all know Cirno isn't exactly the smartest fairy, but does she always have to be portrayed as completely dumb?

[lightdreamer]

Okay we all know Cirno isn't exactly the smartest fairy, but does she always have to be portrayed as completely dumb?

Yes, because memes.

[Tengukami]

Okay we all know Cirno isn't exactly the smartest fairy, but does she always have to be portrayed as completely dumb?

You ought to read Genius Comes When You Least Expect It.

[fondue]

You ought to read Genius Comes When You Least Expect It.

[haoreos2]

Pi's exact value is 10.

Spoiler:

...in base pi. /CirnoBrain

I personally like Cirno to be portrayed as dumb in the way of a child, rather than as a bona fide idiot. Even average-intellect-Cirno portrayals tend to seem a little forced.

[EthanSilver]

Even average-intellect-Cirno portrayals tend to seem a little forced.

[Tengukami]

I personally like Cirno to be portrayed as dumb in the way of a child, rather than as a bona fide idiot. Even average-intellect-Cirno portrayals tend to seem a little forced.

Likewise. I've used Cirno in a number of stories, and that's the portrayal I tend to go with - childish, impulsive, maybe a bit selfish, but still naive and full of good cheer. She's a good kid.

[fondue]

I personally like Cirno to be portrayed as dumb in the way of a child, rather than as a bona fide idiot. Even average-intellect-Cirno portrayals tend to seem a little forced.

LASER

[Ikari]

I like to see bumbly dumb Cirno. Well, not dumb as in plainly retarded, but very confident in her extremely child-like beliefs.

Best example to me; that tag team wrestling tournament, where she introduces Yuuka to Dayousei and expects them to be friend instantly despite their obvious dislike for each other. (Which Cirno is completely oblivious to) Genius Cirno hurts my brain, unless it's meant to be a joke.

Also things I want to see in fandom more:

- Tsundere Yuuka
- Moe Yuuka
- Lonely Yuuka
- Psychopathic Yuuka
- Sadistic Yandere Yuuka
- Kind, yet mysterious Yuuka
- Trolling Yuuka

[AnonymousPondScum]

I like to see bumbly dumb Cirno. Well, not dumb as in plainly retarded, but very confident in her extremely child-like beliefs.

Best example to me; that tag team wrestling tournament, where she introduces Yuuka to Dayousei and expects them to be friend instantly despite their obvious dislike for each other. (Which Cirno is completely oblivious to) Genius Cirno hurts my brain, unless it's meant to be a joke.

Does Idiot-Savant Cirno count? :v:

Also things I want to see in fandom more:

- Tsundere Yuuka
- Moe Yuuka
- Lonely Yuuka
- Psychopathic Yuuka
- Sadistic Yandere Yuuka
- Kind, yet mysterious Yuuka
- Trolling Yuuka

I thought these were already her default settings. :getdown:

[DarkAtma]

I am the only one that keeps imagining meiling figthing like the DBZ character? qi blasts and faster-tham-eye punches....  :V i would be so happy if that happened on a fanfic or something...... :ohdear:

[Drake]

Well, these are nice at least. I enjoy stuff like this much more than flashiness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3xC0lBOQGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoJLCEXDMaY

[Ikari]

Does Idiot-Savant Cirno count? :v:

I thought these were already her default settings. :getdown:

Idiot-Savant?

They are, hence why I named them all :V More Yuuka makes everything better.

EVERYTHING.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Idiot-Savant?

Brilliant prodigy in some respects, total dutz in everything else.

Namely I was thinking of the running joke that she's bad at math except for anything involving multiples of 9. :V