Author Topic: Adorable Game of Mafia (Everyone wins!) (Read 100438 times)

Raitaki · « **Reply #810 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:38:12 PM »

Also I think HW just made me even more blatantly confirmed town.
You three 50% chance of voting correct scum gogogo

-cut-
Yes he did.

Oh wait the asshole part :awesome:

Raitaki · « **Reply #811 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:43:52 PM »

Also tell me HW, what about my playstyle told you that town!Raitaki wouldn't quickhammer anyway? Assuming town!HW, you would gain literally nothing by that little attempt. If I quickhammer, you all lose and the others would hate you about it (or both of us if I'm not scum :3). If I don't, then congrats, you just semi-convinced yourself that I'm a townie! Aaaand it doesn't matter anyway, because you think there is still the possibility of me being asshole scum and either way BT hasn't expressed any interest in lynching me for most of the game, and Shadoweh even more so.

So either you didn't think through that at all, or you're scum.
##HoS huh what

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #812 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:47:48 PM »

The asshole part is because you're apparently from a community where people fakeclaim as town.

Didn't actually give Shadowmeh a full re-read, but decided BT was scummier than her because yeah Serela bus was too early and she could've stayed on IHNN. This was the general conclusion of all my previous Shadoweh re-reads since D4 so I don't expect it to change. Also Shadoweh is town MVP regardless of her actual alignment at this point.

I'm just going to chalk up whatever the fuck happened D2 - D3 with BT/PX to scum not playing in the way I'd consider optimal. I still think it's dumb for scum-BT but it got him to LYLO so whatever.

D1, PX jerks off IHNN for weakly justified reasons because he doesn't want to vote with BT/Serela only like I said. D3 PX's vote is on BT because as Shadoweh said earlier people don't actually change, and PX distances from his scumbuddies when he's about to die. Meta but whatever, it makes more sense than him ignoring his buddy. He gives up and plays horribly that day to ensure BT isn't the lynch since BT has a higher chance of actually carrying. If he wasn't expecting his buddy to carry he would've put in more effort.

While Kilga would have been a wildcard and made it hard for scum to predict where the Rex / Serela wagons were headed, after re-reading again I decided it's reasonable for them to expect him to go for Rex when Kilga had given a more detailed account of his suspicion on Rex instead of just agreeing with another case. So yeah, scum could reasonably pull off a mislynch after BT's Serela vote.

There's also a bunch of stuff other people said about him which I'm not restating vov

As for why the scums isn't me, there's that thing where I voted PX before anyone else did. Also I confirmed you as town when you wanted me lynched which would've been kind of stupid. Also it would mean I NKed town-Pesco early on when I only joined this game because of something that happened during NHK postgame and I wanted him to play town without trolling. But self-defense in Mafia is silly so w/e.

Cut: If town!Raitaki quickhammers then I don't care too much because I think BT is the scum anyway. If I'm wrong then I'm frustrated but it's not like I'm going to commit sudoku because I lost a mafia game. What I gain from confirming you town is that I don't have to waffle back and forth between you and BT for the rest of a LYLO because you're town. Not opting to avoid quickhammering because you're an asshole is a player trust thing at this point and if you're trolling me then people will scold you for that postgame.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #813 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:48:04 PM »

*fakeclaim as town when it's not necessary

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #814 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:50:19 PM »

Quote from: huh what on August 14, 2012, 07:47:48 PM

D1, PX jerks off IHNN

...
*jerks off of

BT · « **Reply #815 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:03:38 PM »

Had a disgustingly low amount of free time today. Will share my main thoughts and hopefully contribute more tomorrow.

... cuts

Was going to ramble about Raitaki at this point but woop woop he's town.

>_> I guess I just want to post that I exist? I'm in the process of reading shit again and a random Raitaki hammer wouldn't exactly be pleasant. HW, I still very much think your play this game is town, so all I can ask from you is to actually read Shadoweh fully. I'm pretty sure I'm willing to gut Shadoweh as the scum at this point, but, well, ~reading~.

BT · « **Reply #816 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:25:39 PM »

Yeah, there's no way I have time for a detailed reread but I'm pretty damn sure it's not huhwhat at this point.

##Vote Shadoweh

I guess the biggest thing on my mind right now is that PX pretty much did not exist for her for the majority of the game, while PX did the whole buddy thing on D3. Distancing bus-style might have actually been the original plan since he agreed with Kilga's cases here and was literally setting up to vote her before he changed his mind for whatever reason. Also a possibility is that the Serela case wasn't originally a D1 bus plan -- there was an entire half of D1 left and the original plan could have been to find another wagon, only that it happened to little too late and Shadoweh decided to go full force with it by being bestest town buddies with NNR.

More reading? Maybe.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #817 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:28:13 PM »

Yeah I didn't think so.

Raitaki's pretty smart. I thought the same thing about reading the early wagons. The entire idiot brigade would have had to have tunneled onto IHNN to be the scumteam. (obviously this is impossible! Except for that one time it happened derp) I think I'll reread to see if I really think that's a possibility.

HW:

Quote

D3 PX's vote is on BT because as Shadoweh said earlier people don't actually change, and PX distances from his scumbuddies when he's about to die.

Didn't PX throw his vote on you at the last minute?

BT: Okay, that sounds rich. Why am I scum? Make me believe in my scuminess in my arrogance paco. By bestest town buddies you mean by telling NNR to sit down and shutup or I would kill him if he jumped off the scum wagon?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #818 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:30:41 PM »

##takeiteasy :yukkuri:

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 14, 2012, 08:28:13 PM

HW:Didn't PX throw his vote on you at the last minute?

Yes, but it wasn't distancing. If PX wants to distance from his buddies he explains why his buddies are scum in detail (see IMP). He didn't have a case on me that wasn't "BT is going to flip scum" which is actually a reason BT makes sense for his buddy - I was a lined up lynch if something went wrong and BT died before PX.

Also Shadoweh if you're that super duper 99% certain I'm town like you said earlier then you should totally self-vote so I can prove that to Raitaki and this suggestion is certainly obviously not a trap honest :ohdear:

BT · « **Reply #819 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:32:31 PM »

Shadoweh that's kind of hard to do when *I'm* trying to convince *myself* that you're scum because there's no other option.

And if these last few hours suggest Scum HW in any way I definitely do not see it.

Raitaki · « **Reply #820 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:36:11 PM »

How about the stuff he just tried to pull?
Hard to believe he'd dangle your life right in my grasp just so that he won't have to waffle between you and me.

@HW: How is confirming a townie that isn't likely to be lynched different from, say, bussing a scumbuddy that is likely to die?

BT · « **Reply #821 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:41:42 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on August 14, 2012, 08:36:11 PM

How about the stuff he just tried to pull?
Hard to believe he'd dangle your life right in my grasp just so that he won't have to waffle between you and me.

>_> That is actually a good point, but at this point he's going to extreme levels if he's scum and I really don't think he had any reason to do that - the choice of clearing you was entirely his.

Shadoweh: By bestest buddies I was referring to how you essentially took him under your wing and yelled at people on his wagon, or something similar. Recollection skills are poor.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #822 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on August 14, 2012, 08:36:11 PM

How about the stuff he just tried to pull?
Hard to believe he'd dangle your life right in my grasp just so that he won't have to waffle between you and me.

It also cuts off one of scum's mislynch options and gives town a confirmed voice. It doesn't just benefit me. It's a "high risk" / high reward thing though the risk isn't that high if my reads are good.

Quote from: Raitaki on August 14, 2012, 08:36:11 PM

@HW: How is confirming a townie that isn't likely to be lynched different from, say, bussing a scumbuddy that is likely to die?

Not sure what you're responding to here.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #823 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:46:00 PM »

Quote from: huh what on August 14, 2012, 08:30:41 PM

Also Shadoweh if you're that super duper 99% certain I'm town like you said earlier then you should totally self-vote so I can prove that to Raitaki and this suggestion is certainly obviously not a trap honest :ohdear:

Tempting but I don't trust you -that- much.

Raitako, all that matters is that if you're scum, you should quickhammer now to win. If you don't, you're confirmed town (or probably carded for not playing right). As town you should definitely not quickhammer, you should vote for who you think is scum when the time is right. There's no hurry to make a choice yet. Just take it easy. :yukkuri:

BT: But he's voting for you. You think maybe he could be doing this with foul intentions? As for NNR, it wouldn't be hard for you to go back and see what I did. Look for the post where I'm screaming at him (him specifically because otherwise it would be hard to tell.)

BT · « **Reply #824 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:50:38 PM »

Argh.

##takeiteasy
##Unvote

No way in hell I can make an informed vote like this. I'm just going to sleep on it and come back all refreshed and word-ful after 18 hours

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #825 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:51:47 PM »

(this is when we quickhammer bt in his sleep)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #826 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:52:57 PM »

Okay BT but maybe you should say something better in your defense before you go, the guy with the hammer seems pretty energetic and he might hammer you in your sleep.

Cut by huh what :V

BT · « **Reply #827 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:53:40 PM »

It means I'll come back anyway. Only dead.

cut oh right hammer

but I have like ten minutes

BT · « **Reply #828 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:56:08 PM »

I don't know what else I can say in my defense. I answered everyone's questions and I don't have time to do extensive rereads and *show people the light* in ten minutes.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #829 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:57:11 PM »

Problem with Shadoweh case: if her plan was the Serela wagon to fade, then why use such a strong, comprehensive case, and why weren't Serela's buddies kicking his ass in the quicktopic to make a solid post that didn't suck? This game has daytalk and that's what buddies were for. Shadoweh was around a lot so she could have helped Serela construct a quality post that would have made him look better and give Shadoweh an excuse to jump off.

BT · « **Reply #830 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:58:14 PM »

I thought it was you who said a few hours ago that you can't always assume ideal scum play.

BT · « **Reply #831 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:59:06 PM »

By that I mean, in that case, that the scumteam was lazy and expected the townies to derp on their own.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #832 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:01:19 PM »

vov

I don't know what to say to that, but it doesn't make me feel your case. It's more like BT/PX come up with plans I wouldn't consider optimal, Shadoweh / Serela come up with plans that could be optimal according to your case but butcher them when they go wrong. I hosted a game with Shadoweh / Serela buddies and they were talking to eachother quite a bit when bussing went down because both are talkative scumbuddies and their timezones overlap reasonably.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #833 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:04:50 PM »

My timezone overlaps with everyone >.> Random bouts of insomnia do that. Your case makes more sense to convict you then myself or huh what, considering you never made a case on the Day 1 wagon and voted Serela because

BT · « **Reply #834 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:11:35 PM »

I'll say it again; I agreed with the case. When you're busy and don't have the time to optimally hunt scum you're bound to support votes you contributed almost nothing (or-- nothing) to.

HW: Meta can only go so far. All I know right now is that I'm town and one of you two is scum. In front of me is a mountain of meta-related clears and all they're doing is obscuring my view by making me consider what applies and what doesn't.

I'm willing to concede at this point that town would have good reason to 'not feel my case' and vote me. But, seriously, there's not much I can do about that but... actually I have no idea what I'm supposed to do about that at all.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #835 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:13:12 PM »

Quote from: BT on August 14, 2012, 09:11:35 PM

But, seriously, there's not much I can do about that but... actually I have no idea what I'm supposed to do about that at all.

You can self-hammer if you're scum :V

BT · « **Reply #836 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:14:45 PM »

What if I'm not scum?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #837 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:15:48 PM »

BT · « **Reply #838 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:19:46 PM »

Okay, I know what you could do. You could try looking at players as individually as possible. Without silly buddy connections or whatever. Because right now there are several connections that are making me not vote you and several connections that are making me not vote Shadoweh. There are even connections that make my vote less attractive too. You gotta fight it, or something. That's kind of what I was planning to do today but whoops no time for that.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #839 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:27:20 PM »

I considered that and thought you looked scummier.

Shadoweh scumhunts and presents as a wagon leader days 1 - 3. Only day that looks scummy without flips to me is her awful D4 which she never did answer me about (Shadoweh please do this). LYLO she denies support for 2/3 lynches and votes in her first post which isn't the most ideal for scum who would rather be considered a deciding vote by the town. Not impossible to fake but doesn't look scum-motivated.

You tunneled on IHNN days 1 and 2 and avoided mainstream wagons until town had to consolidate. Days 3 - 4 are reasonable but hard to judge since you couldn't start wagons because timezones, though your Kilga case was based more in scum-PX's words than Kilga's which can be manipulated since PX is scum. D5 approach looks like you were buddying me but then unvoted because you realized it'd probably be easier to lynch me.